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White Eagle you are doing satan's work and you seem to glory in doing it. You need to repent and keep on repenting for all of the pain, hurt, destruction you've caused and are still causing!

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While I didn't read the OCD thread myself, I definitely heard about all the damage that was done And AMEN to the above!

May God's Holy Spirit move in her heart to reveal these things to her. In Jesus Name - Amen

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Psalm 119:104Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way. 105Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

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The teaching which you adhere to, WhiteEagle, and which proliferates throughout the WOF heresy is anathema, denigrates the faith of those whose faith is tested in the fires of adversity, and is contrary to the Word of God.

You need to repent!!!!!!

You need to turn your heart to the truth of God's Word, and come out of this heretical abomination.

The teaching you espouse is deception, and a destroyer.

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Let me add an AMEN! to this as well! Boy are there a lot of Good Posts here tonight!

My family and Youth Ministry in our church were Tested by Fire this weekend and To God Be The Glory!!! HIS Grace Was Sufficient! (Because we never would have Overcome without it!) PRAISE GOD!!!

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2Cr 4:15 For all things [are] for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.


2Cr 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward [man] is renewed day by day.


2Cr 4:17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding [and] eternal weight of glory;




2Cr 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen [are] temporal; but the things which are not seen [are] eternal.


Our light affliction

1. (16) Another reason to not lose heart: God is doing an eternal work that will last forever

a. Outward man has the same idea as earthen vessels and mortal flesh

2. (17-18) A coming glory that outweighs any of today's difficulties

a. When Paul says our light affliction, we might wonder if he had ever known some real trials - of course, he had!

i. Paul doesn't speak as a novice, but as a graduate of the school of affliction

b. We should thank God in affliction because . . .

i. Our affliction is light compared to what others are suffering
ii. Our affliction is light compared to what we deserve

iii. Our affliction is light compared to what Jesus suffered for us

iv. Our affliction is light compared to the blessings we enjoy

v. Our affliction is light as we experience the sustaining power of God's grace

vi. Our affliction is light when we see the glory that it is leading to


c. In the world's eyes, Paul's life was an incredible failure - at the height of a career that would reach much higher, he left it all for a life of hardship, suffering and persecution, with eventual martyrdom - but Paul recognizes that the world only sees the outward, not the unseen eternal things
d. "Affliction is not something to be endured in order to reach glory. It is the very process which creates the glory. Through travail comes birth." (Morgan)


i. Paul isn't saying that all suffering is productive of glory, "as though it were and infallible means to this end."

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Amen Sister Betty!!!!!!!

You and Linda are such inspirations and true examples of real faith unshaken through adversity. Praise God for your testimony and witness.

WhiteEagle, HisGrace, and all those who spout that WOF pablum have been blinded by false teaching, and they are so poisoned by this heresy that they may not realize the denigration and damage they do with their cavalier commentary to those who face trials and adversity every hour of every day.

WhiteEagle, HisGrace, and all proponents of the WOF heresy need to repent, turn to the true Word of God, and God of the Word. They have been far too blinded by the false prophets of wealth and prosperity, the apostles of glitz and glamor.

God bless you Betty and Linda, and all whose steadfast faith is unshaken through adversity, and may God drop the scales from blinded eyes and open the shackled hearts of those who denigrate the faith of those who walk with trials.

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2Pet.2
[1] But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
[2] And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
[3] And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

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There is now NO condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.


Malachi 4:2-3 KJV
"But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of Righteousness arise with healing in His wings; and ye shall go forth and grow up as calves of the stall.
And ye shall tread down the wicked, and they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this saith the Lord of Hosts."


Let all men be liars and God true.

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2Pet.2
[1] But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
[2] And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
[3] And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

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White Eagle it is obvious to me that you have not understanding in your spirit to know that what belongs to the church was not given until pentecost and not one of the stories of the mircles that were performed in National Israel can compare to what belongs to the church and to seek what they got at the expense of denying what you should have if you be born again is a tragedy of the greatest kind.

And that said... it is now, I who do also shake the dust from my feet.

May God open the eyes of the blind!

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Amen! May the blind see and the lame walk.

May God arise and His enemies be scattered.

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White Eagle it is obvious to me that you have not understanding in your spirit to know that what belongs to the church was not given until pentecost and not one of the stories of the mircles that were performed in National Israel can compare to what belongs to the church and to seek what they got at the expense of denying what you should have if you be born again is a tragedy of the greatest kind.

And that said... it is now, I who do also shake the dust from my feet.

May God open the eyes of the blind!

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You feel I'm too far out there on healing.

I feel you are denying that healing is promised by God.

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This wasn't written to me, but I feel that it coul dhave been.

Not too far out there - Totally missed the target. I feel you are denying the soverignity of God and the omnipotence of God and that you are teaching that a saint should expect to resurrect that which was crucified with Christ.

You claim that you know that it is because of the old nature that sickness is, but the old nature is supposed to be on the cross with Christ freeing you that your re-born man will be free when the body is destroyed. You want to make whole what God wants to destroy! What does that say about the spirit behind this teaching?

The only thing biting the dust in this thread is your case which does not stand the test of the scriptures whole. And the sword you think that your wielding is not a sword at all it is the folly of men and one day even you will see how foolish it is.

Healing of the Body of sin and death is not our God given right by re-birth. Nailing the live that was once lived in the Body of sin and death to Christ's cross that the body of sin and death might be destroyed is the grace given to you that through the re-birth THE LIFE OF CHRIST might be manifest in your mortal body as you walk on the earth and I assure you that HIS life is in NO need of healing!

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I'll stand on the Promises of Christ my King!

How do you think all of that is manifest.

I want to raise the dead, because the Bible says that the DEAD IN CHRIST WILL RISE FIRST.

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You feel I'm too far out there on healing.

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This is God's will for our mortal bodies!!!!!!!

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.


John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Is Your mortal body IN the world?

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Is your mortal body of the world?

1 Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.


What you teach is the Pride of life!

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, [U]is not of the Father, but is of the world.[/U]

This is the will of God regarding the mortal body....

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed,

2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.


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6 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

I just have one question;

Luke 24:5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?

Why do you insist on raising the dead

Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

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"Whoa! Another one bites the dust! A man is offended that a woman wields the Sword."

Where did I give you a "MANs" oppinion?

2Tim.3

[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

I showed you the Sword and all you seen was the reflection of your own sillyness in its blade.

Please read about Deborah.

Repent while the day is yet called day.

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The "sword" you showed was your own prejudice toward women.

You quoted the verses about women keeping silent in the church when this in NOT what this discussion is about.

You can't pretend to back track now and bring up Deborah.

If all you can argue with is words like "silliness" and using scripture out of context to this discussion.....it's pretty weak.

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"Whoa! Another one bites the dust! A man is offended that a woman wields the Sword."

Where did I give you a "MANs" oppinion?

2Tim.3

[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

I showed you the Sword and all you seen was the reflection of your own sillyness in its blade.

Please read about Deborah.

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I know of a missionary who recently died of Jacob Crutchfield disease after his mission trips. Prayer was made for him, he was a youngish man with a family. He went without a Church covering on his mission trips, and the Enemy was able to bring him down. He was an awesome Christian, and led many to Christ on his mission trips, yet he needed the Body to support his work in prayer covering.

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The statement faults his actions, places the blame on him for his having the disease. Just as you place the blame on lack of faith, or not having put the disease under the blood.

The false teaching assumes that it must be a spiritual lack on the part of the individual if they get sick.

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Amen Sister Betty!!!!!!!

You and Linda are such inspirations and true examples of real faith unshaken through adversity. Praise God for your testimony and witness.

WhiteEagle, HisGrace, and all those who spout that WOF pablum have been blinded by false teaching, and they are so poisoned by this heresy that they may not realize the denigration and damage they do with their cavalier commentary to those who face trials and adversity every hour of every day.

WhiteEagle, HisGrace, and all proponents of the WOF heresy need to repent, turn to the true Word of God, and God of the Word. They have been far too blinded by the false prophets of wealth and prosperity, the apostles of glitz and glamor.

God bless you Betty and Linda, and all whose steadfast faith is unshaken through adversity, and may God drop the scales from blinded eyes and open the shackled hearts of those who denigrate the faith of those who walk with trials.

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If you deny the truth of the scriptures I posted, then it is YOU who deny the Word of God.

People who think their Faith is Just Fine as it is, are the ones who are shackled.

Where does it say that illness is a trial?

There you go again interpreting scripture to suit your ideas, NOT God's ideas.

Read God's word with open eyes. Read the Gospels about the healings and in Acts. Read James about laying on of hands and the prayer of faith to heal the sick.

You philosophy is vain and appeases the flesh, as you take comfort in the hollow phrases that God is giving someone a trial by allowing them to be sick.

God's word states that many have taken Communion unworthily and therefore many were weak and sick.
Yet you deny that hard truth of God's Word.

Yet, it is you who are appealing to the flesh, so that you make God's Word of none effect.

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You best not take the Communion any time soon then.


1Tim.2

[9] In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
[10] But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
[11] Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
[12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
[13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
[15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

1Cor.14

[35] And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

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Whoa! Another one bites the dust! A man is offended that a woman wields the Sword.


Am I not on the Christian Board?

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Please show us in this thread where Anyone said that God Wants for us to be ill.

You've been shown (several times in fact) that God allows illness for His Purpose - remember the Blind from birth man that Jesus healed? You've been shown Many Scriptures on illness and how God did not always heal yet you refuse to see.

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Amen Sister Betty!!!!!!!

You and Linda are such inspirations and true examples of real faith unshaken through adversity. Praise God for your testimony and witness.

WhiteEagle, HisGrace, and all those who spout that WOF pablum have been blinded by false teaching, and they are so poisoned by this heresy that they may not realize the denigration and damage they do with their cavalier commentary to those who face trials and adversity every hour of every day.

WhiteEagle, HisGrace, and all proponents of the WOF heresy need to repent, turn to the true Word of God, and God of the Word. They have been far too blinded by the false prophets of wealth and prosperity, the apostles of glitz and glamor.

God bless you Betty and Linda, and all whose steadfast faith is unshaken through adversity, and may God drop the scales from blinded eyes and open the shackled hearts of those who denigrate the faith of those who walk with trials.

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If you deny the truth of the scriptures I posted, then it is YOU who deny the Word of God.

People who think their Faith is Just Fine as it is, are the ones who are shackled.

Where does it say that illness is a trial?

There you go again interpreting scripture to suit your ideas, NOT God's ideas.

Read God's word with open eyes. Read the Gospels about the healings and in Acts. Read James about laying on of hands and the prayer of faith to heal the sick.

You philosophy is vain and appeases the flesh, as you take comfort in the hollow phrases that God is giving someone a trial by allowing them to be sick.

God's word states that many have taken Communion unworthily and therefore many were weak and sick.
Yet you deny that hard truth of God's Word.

Yet, it is you who are appealing to the flesh, so that you make God's Word of none effect.

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The teaching which you adhere to, WhiteEagle, and which proliferates throughout the WOF heresy is anathema, denigrates the faith of those whose faith is tested in the fires of adversity, and is contrary to the Word of God.

You need to repent!!!!!!

You need to turn your heart to the truth of God's Word, and come out of this heretical abomination.

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I am still waiting for your answer as to why the Pastor’s daughter who serves God got MD and the daughter who does not, did not get MD. The truth is no one knows why God allowed one to inherit the disease and one not to. But, for another Christian to look at the girls and start placing blame on the girl who loves the Lord, is
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from Betty: In the last two weeks, I have dealt with you and with BA’s comment that God has to give illness to Christians to get them off the couch, and to be honest I am tired of messing with you both. Only my desire to reach out to others who suffer has kept me coming back and repeatedly saying that physical health is not the way to determine the state of a Christian’s soul. Only God knows why He heals some times and some times he doesn’t. Back years before I started going to the Baptist Church, our Pastor at the time, son had epilepsy. One Sunday he had seizure in Church. The Church members volunteered to fast for a week, each taking a portion of the week. The Pastor himself, went on a 40 day fast. God for what ever reason chose not to heal his son. To this day the boy who is also a Preacher cannot drive. If his father had, had you attitude the whole Church would have closed its doors and we would have all given up on Christianity. But, because the Preacher was a great man of God, he helped the Church realize that God’s will was not our own will. This man is still preaching and God does great work through him. I know that God has healed me in the past. When my mom was caring me, the doctor told my mom and dad that I was dead and they needed to do an abortion to remove the dead baby from her body.
My mom told the doctor no, because God told her her baby was okay. He told my mom to go to h--- and stormed out of the room. But I was born a healthy baby. A year later I almost died and had to have a blood transfusion. But here I am still here.
God has a purpose for my life and if like Paul, I must endure a thorn in my side, I will. But, what I won’t do is sit back and be quiet when Christians in their ignorance attack other Christians for having a disability or and illness.

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Amen Sister Betty!!!!!!!

You and Linda are such inspirations and true examples of real faith unshaken through adversity. Praise God for your testimony and witness.

WhiteEagle, HisGrace, and all those who spout that WOF pablum have been blinded by false teaching, and they are so poisoned by this heresy that they may not realize the denigration and damage they do with their cavalier commentary to those who face trials and adversity every hour of every day.

WhiteEagle, HisGrace, and all proponents of the WOF heresy need to repent, turn to the true Word of God, and God of the Word. They have been far too blinded by the false prophets of wealth and prosperity, the apostles of glitz and glamor.

God bless you Betty and Linda, and all whose steadfast faith is unshaken through adversity, and may God drop the scales from blinded eyes and open the shackled hearts of those who denigrate the faith of those who walk with trials.

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Amen Sister Betty!!!!!!!

You and Linda are such inspirations and true examples of real faith unshaken through adversity. Praise God for your testimony and witness.

WhiteEagle, HisGrace, and all those who spout that WOF pablum have been blinded by false teaching, and they are so poisoned by this heresy that they may not realize the denigration and damage they do with their cavalier commentary to those who face trials and adversity every hour of every day.

WhiteEagle, HisGrace, and all proponents of the WOF heresy need to repent, turn to the true Word of God, and God of the Word. They have been far too blinded by the false prophets of wealth and prosperity, the apostles of glitz and glamor.

God bless you Betty and Linda, and all whose steadfast faith is unshaken through adversity, and may God drop the scales from blinded eyes and open the shackled hearts of those who denigrate the faith of those who walk with trials.

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I'm still waiting patiently for someone to supply the scripture or scriptures that say that God wants for us to be ill. And that God allows us to be ill for His purposes.

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Please show us in this thread where Anyone said that God Wants for us to be ill.

You've been shown (several times in fact) that God allows illness for His Purpose - remember the Blind from birth man that Jesus healed? You've been shown Many Scriptures on illness and how God did not always heal yet you refuse to see.

I rest my case and I'm knocking the dust off my feet

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White Eagle, how about you showing me in the Bible where a Christian is told to judge another Christian by their physical health. You know the devil seeks to use you to destroy me, but God in His mercy gives me the strength to ignore you and your arrogance.
Yes, you have caused me pain and yes, I have shed tears over your mean and hateful comments to me and about me. But today, I feel neither anger or hurt because of you. I feel only pity. Why? One day you may become ill and when you do, your faith will suffer because you place all of your faith not in God but having perfect health. For this I feel pity for you.
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2 Tim. 4:
19: Salute Prisca and Aquila, and the household of Onesiphorus.
20: Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.
21: Do thy diligence to come before winter. Eubulus greeteth thee, and Pudens, and Linus, and Claudia, and all the brethren.
22: The Lord Jesus Christ be with thy spirit. Grace be with you. Amen.

Phil. 2:
25 Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labour, and fellowsoldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants. 26 For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick. 27 For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow. 28 I sent him therefore the more carefully, that, when ye see him again, ye may rejoice, and that I may be the less sorrowful. 29 Receive him therefore in the Lord with all gladness; and hold such in reputation: 30 Because for the work of Christ he was nigh unto death, not regarding his life, to supply your lack of service toward me.

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Both of you are assuming things with these verses and these verses do NOT say God wishes us to be ill or that God healed this man without Faith.

Epaphroditus, is a servant of Christ, He has faith. Paul says he was nigh unto death for the work of Christ. He had faith. I think it is very safe to assume that. God healed him.

Nice try

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