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That is ok WildB. But our God is a mighty God. He is able to do many things very well. What we do must glorify Him. What else is there?

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A miracle has happened. Or actually, I think AMH can talk straightforward if he chooses to do so since "what we must do is glorify Him" henceforth.

What else is there? A worker worthy of his/her wages.

"And He found yet others standing idle in the marketplace, who said "No man has hired us", and He hired them and "send them into the Vineyard."

"Look, Lord, with your two talents I have gained two more talents. You have been faithful over little, you shall rule over many things. Enter you therefore in the joy of the Lord."

"Look, Lord, with your 10 talents I have gained ten more talents". "Well done, good and faithful slave-servant (doulos)... be you over many things. And enter into the joy of the Lord".

Then came the one who had been given one talent (watch out, we're all given at least one talent if it is still before the last hour of the workday in the Vineyard.

But the one with just one talent said, "Lord, I was afraid and hid your talent in the ground {"lest I lose it"). Here it is back.

"you unprofitable slave-servant, you should have put your money with the bankers (the preachers) and I would received mine with interest" ("and I would have saved you").

"But now, take from him even what he has {was given, the one talent given to ALL Christians (unless they're on their deathbed).

"for faith without works is dead". But the work can be as small as given my talent to the preachers to use.

Or use my one talent to type on Internet Christian church and preach to gospel to the whole world. But the talent must be used, for else the Lord will "appoint us a place with the hypocrites".

Having done not even one work in the Vineyard (unless converted too late in our lives), He took the one talent from this person. I think this talent represents the Holy Spirit.

It was given to that would-be Christian, but he never ended up making use of the Holy Spirit to at least "do SOMETHING in the Vineyard of the Lord".

What are YOU doing with your one talent? Did you notice that the ones who had TWO talents and TEN talents DID very well? If talent represents the Holy Spirit, were they given more Holy Spirit than the one talent person?

"Be Very Careful"

may the LORD (YWHY) God (Elohim) of Israel bless us, BORN AGAIN

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Originally posted by AMH:
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Well I never had any intentions of following you as that would be the road to nowhere.

But thanks for the directions all the same.

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So you want me to come down to your level?

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Stand down where?

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Originally posted by AMH:
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None of us are perfect but not all of us tattle on the other posters. (While I have no insider knowledge, your list is telling.)

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TexasGrandma,

None of us are perfect but not all of us tattle on the other posters. (While I have no insider knowledge, your list is telling.)

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Huh? I have No Idea what this means; could you expound a little please?

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You can't complain about how hot the kitchen is, if you keep going back in there to stir the pot.

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How about, "eventhough the kitchen is excessively hot, I must still come to stir the pot for my kids need to eat?"

So, just to get some more perspective, what, if anything, do I do differently than, say, HisGrace when I come here?

I've even come to believe, thanks to y'all, that is is possible that the Lord assigns some of y'all to "keep an eye on what's being said by Christians and committee report on it."

I'm obviously not part of the "keep an eye out committee", but that's fine, since the Lord would presumably only need a certain amount of Christians to do that task in His Vineyard, while other Christians do other tasks in His Vineyard.

(I was handed a shovel, for instance. )

God bless, BORN AGAIN

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[QB] We can't make a "Doctrine" that all sickness is a thorn from God to keep us humble,

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You and many many others have made up doctrines that God's will is not heal some people and it has nothing to do with their faith or spiritual walk. You twist scriptures to human experience NOT to God's will. You have not seen people healed according to biblical promises, so you make up weak platitudes to placate those who are not healed.

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No WhiteEagle, it's you who have picked and chosen passages which support your false doctrine and IGNORED Clear Scriptural Evidence that shows that God does NOT Always Heal - and these instances had Nothing to do with a Lack of Faith. Therefore you are taking away from Scripture - which we're told Not to do.

Why was Paul not healed? Why was Timothy not healed? Why did Paul leave his sick friend behind without healing him?

What you fail to see is that we are not denying what Scripture says regarding Faith and Healing; what we are Denying is your claim that Scripture supports the idea that ALL should be healed (and if they're not then it's due to lack of faith). We've given numerous Scripture passages to prove that is a False Doctrine (which you are Clinging to).

Scripture Does Not Contradict Scripture. In order for your position to be correct, you'd have to throw out the Scripture passages we have given. Obviously, there's something WRONG... don'tcha think?

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OK here are the questions that everyone is ignoring:

1-Do you believe that illness and handicaps make people more spiritual?

2-What do you think God's reasons are for allowing people to be chronically ill or handicapped?

3-Do you believe that illness is from God?

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These questions have Not been ignored... you need to go back and re-read. They've been addressed Several times in several ways Using Scripture to show that your Doctrine is Faulty. I see no need to go over all of this again (and again, and again). You’re not listening.

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You people wish to "kill" me with harsh words because you don't like it that I say the Bible teaches that conversion and healing go hand in hand.

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As for anyone wishing to "kill" you... Wow, that's a stretch. What we're "Trying" to do is SHOW you how your Doctine is in Error according to Scripture. This is what YOU keep Ignoring.

As for someone trying to “kill” another… consider these words from your own hand:

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Most handicapped people that I've met are controlling people, as they learn that, to compensate for what they can't control.

I"m sorry to say I have never met any handicapped person who wan't all wrapped up in themselves, even if they put on a good front. Even Christians who suffer with a "smile".

It's bravado at best. People who are chronically ill basically act about the same way.

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These are NOT words that bring Life… they Wound the spirit of those who suffer affliction. It is You who are trying to “Kill” others with harsh words, but you don’t seem to see this

Would you PLEASE take an Honset look at this?!

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like Watcher, I too hope she keeps her word. She was one of the ones who pushed for this heading and then she could not stay out of it. Coming in day after day and complaining about what we post. This section of the board is called EXPOSING FALSE TEACHING, so what did she expect? People sharing recipes? like the old saying if you can't stand the heat then stay out of the kitchen. betty

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Originally posted by HisGrace:
I was poo-hooed for putting this message on another thread, but I will give one more warning. Obviously my words are falling on deaf ears, and I feel led to spend another season away from the 'Exposing False Teaching Forum.'

I have proven on different occasions that lies have been printed about some of these preachers.
Be careful not to buy into these lies. Is the devil deceiving you?

This material is being printed in massive numbers on this Board. Are people really using careful discretion when they press these buttons willy-nilly? This could be a very dangerous practise.

Proverbs 19:5
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who pours out lies will not go free.

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As of this moment I make a vow before God and man to never enter this 'Exposing 'forum again, because to me it is just the equivalent of picking up The National Enquirer or the Globe beside the checkout count at my local grocery store and having a naughty peak at all of the slander that is being printed about those who are totally defenceless against the caustic power of the printed word.

You can lash out at me all you want with personal attacks, calling me stupid, as one person was called to-day, or saying that I twist the truth, or that I am rebelling against God, because I won't be seeing it.

I must obey The Holy Spirit - if I look back I'm going to turn into a pillar of salt.

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You and many many others have made up doctrines that God's will is not heal some people and it has nothing to do with their faith or spiritual walk. You twist scriptures to human experience NOT to God's will. You have not seen people healed according to biblical promises, so you make up weak platitudes to placate those who are not healed.

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OK here are the questions that everyone is ignoring:

1-Do you believe that illness and handicaps make people more spiritual?

2-What do you think God's reasons are for allowing people to be chronically ill or handicapped?

3-Do you believe that illness is from God?

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You people wish to "kill" me with harsh words because you don't like it that I say the Bible teaches that conversion and healing go hand in hand.

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Most handicapped people that I've met are controlling people, as they learn that, to compensate for what they can't control.

I"m sorry to say I have never met any handicapped person who wan't all wrapped up in themselves, even if they put on a good front. Even Christians who suffer with a "smile".

It's bravado at best. People who are chronically ill basically act about the same way.

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These are NOT words that bring Life… they Wound the spirit of those who suffer affliction. It is You who are trying to “Kill” others with harsh words, but you don’t seem to see this

Would you PLEASE take an Honset look at this?!

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Perhaps it is you who needs to Repent?

I'll leave that to the Holy Spirit and you.

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WhiteEagle = religious snob.

snob (snŏb) pronunciation
n.

1. One who tends to patronize, rebuff, or ignore people regarded as social inferiors and imitate, admire, or seek association with people regarded as social superiors.
2. One who affects an offensive air of self-satisfied superiority in matters of taste or intellect.
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Maybe you should respectfully request some real duty at a verterans hospital.

Na~ a religious snob couldnt handel the real truth of cause and effect..

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Hilarious! Now I'm a snob?????


TOOFUNNY! Is that the best you can cough up?

I have worked with Vetrans, they are the best. WWI, WW2 and Lorean War and Vietnam War vets.

My son serves in the Army and has spent 2 years in South Korea and is now going to Iraq.

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Perhaps it is you who needs to Repent?

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2Cr 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward [man] is renewed day by day.

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WhiteEagle:
I was just stating what I believed about Isaiah 53:5.

Caretaker:
And your interpretation with both the passage in Isaiah and the cross reference in Peter were taken out of their proper context, as has been addressed early on.

Peter’s writing in 1 Peter 2, is a direct reference to Isaiah 53. The use of “healing”, is spiritual healing/restoration within its proper context. The Word of Faith proponents wrest it as it were to the deception of themselves and those who follow them.

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5: But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

24: Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

5. wounded--a bodily wound; not mere mental sorrow; literally, "pierced"; minutely appropriate to Messiah, whose hands, feet, and side were pierced (Psalms 22:16). The Margin, wrongly, from a Hebrew root, translates, "tormented."
for . . . for--(Romans 4:25, 2 Corinthians 5:21, Hebrews 9:28, 1 Peter 2:24, 3:18)--the cause for which He suffered not His own, but our sins.
bruised--crushing inward and outward suffering
chastisement--literally, the correction inflicted by a parent on children for their good (Hebrews 12:5-8,10,11). Not punishment strictly; for this can have place only where there is guilt, which He had not; but He took on Himself the chastisement whereby the peace (reconciliation with our Father; Romans 5:1, Ephesians 2:14,15,17) of the children of God was to be effected (Hebrews 2:14).
upon him--as a burden; parallel to "hath borne" and "carried."
stripes--minutely prophetical of His being scourged (Matthew 27:26, 1 Peter 2:24).

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3: The LORD will strengthen him upon the bed of languishing: thou wilt make all his bed in his sickness.
4: I said, LORD, be merciful unto me: heal my soul; for I have sinned against thee.

Hebrew “healed”

Strong's Number: 07495 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
apr a primitive root
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Rapha' TWOT - 2196
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
raw-faw'
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Definition
1. to heal, make healthful
a. (Qal) to heal
1. of God
2. healer, physician (of men)
3. of hurts of nations involving restored favour (fig)
4. of individual distresses (fig)
b. (Niphal) to be healed
1. literal (of persons)
2. of water, pottery
3. of national hurts (fig)
4. of personal distress (fig)
c. (Piel) to heal
1. literal
2. of national defects or hurts (fig)
d. (Hithpael) in order to get healed (infinitive)

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2:24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Greek “heal”:

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ijavomai middle voice of apparently a primary verb
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Iaomai 3:194,344
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ee-ah'-om-ahee
Verb
Definition
1. to cure, heal
2. to make whole
a. to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation

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James 5:
15: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

The prayer of faith entails both the prayer of the sick person and the prayer of the elders, who in faith meet the requirments of this passage. But it suggests much more, because this faith is effectual. Some sick have had little faith, yet have been healed (Acts 3:4-8); others like Paul have have had great faith, yet have not been healed (2 Cor. 12:7-10). Further, those who possessed the gift of healing in the early church were at times unable to perform healing as they may have wished (2 Tim. 4:20).

The Greek text suggests this rendering, "The prayer produced by the faith will heal". The prayer that results from true faith is effective. Elijah experienced this prayer of faith (James 5:17-18). Elijah knew God's Word and will, and so persistantly prayed (1 Kings 18:36, 37, 42-46). Faith is people acting according to God's known purpose (1 John 5:14).

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Caretaker: The prayer of faith does not include a gift of healing. It does not exert extraordinary spiritual strength (Acts 3:12); otherwise all spiritual christians would be healthy (3 John 2). Nor does it merely involve the ritual of James 5:14. The prayer of faith discerns God's will and perseveres until it is accomplished. God's will however, is NOT to heal in every case, and TRUE faith can discern and accept that (Romans 8:26-27).

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although God does not always choose to heal, He sometimes does. When a Christian is sick he should confess his known sins, and God may heal him if the sickness is due to sin. He may also ask the elders in the church to annoint him with oil and pray for him. Some diseases experienced by Christians today could be prevented by trusting God as Yahweh-Rapha, the Lord Who Heals You, and allow Him to deal with those things in their lives causing stress, anger, worry (Ex. 15:16, James 5:14-16; Matt. 19:140).

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