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Good NewsforAll,
Do not post anymore prosperity gospel preachers links on this message board.
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It wasn't about prosperity. It was about giving back. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
If it involves Paula White it is about a prosperity preacher. Don't post links to them as they are wolves stealing from God's people.
In case you don't understand the picture, the wolf if the Prosperity Gospel Preacher and the sheep are God's people.
So we are to help keep the wolves away so don't send people to their den.
All you are showing is where the hunter is putting out bait for their pray. Enticing them in so they can steal from them. It is very sad indeed. I do pray all prosperity gospel preachers will come to know the Lord Jesus Christ and open their eyes before it is to late for them.
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Good NewsforAll,
Do not post anymore prosperity gospel preachers links on this message board.
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David Campbell
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It wasn't about prosperity. It was about giving back.
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Romans 10:15 As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"
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Good NewsforAll,
Do not post anymore prosperity gospel preachers links on this message board.
Thank you,
David Campbell
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There is a BIG different in just putting things up for sell and begging for money telling people if they send you money God will give it back to you. And the rich TV preachers saying if you don't send them money they will not be able to stay on the air when they are living in million dollar houses.
So don't even go there. You are getting real close to being banned on this message board for your promotion of the false prosperity gospel.
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EVEN MORE RESOURCES
LIVING WATERS -
MAIN
GOSPEL TRACTS
BOOKS
BOOKLETS
BIBLES
DVD
AUDIOS
COINS
SPECIALS
KIDS
SHIRTS
FOREIGN
MISCELLANEOUS
Give a gift to the Ministries
Sounds like a business to me. Can anyone show me anywhere where Ray Comfort supports any missions, much of which other bigbuck ministries are heavily involved in.
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Romans 10:15 As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"
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Supporting yourself is one thing, turning the Gospel into big business is another?
AMEN!
Luke 16:13-15
“No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love the other; you will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.”
The Pharisees, who dearly loved their money, heard all this and scoffed at him. Then he said to them, “You like to appear righteous in public, but God knows your hearts. What this world honors is detestable in the sight of God.
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Did or did not Yahshua say freely you have been given, freely give?
Did or did not Yahshua say He would take care of our needs if we put our thrust in Him?
All these so called Faith teachers and prosperity teachers continually are selling the latest revelation from God.
Just like on this Paula White and Larry Huch video clip shows. Send us your money and we will reveal these wonderful secrets direct from God for just for $ 35.00 dollars are more....
Supporting yourself is one thing, turning the Gospel into big business is another?
Paula White is not alone in this contemptible attitude of the Gospel.
Most if not all of the TBN crowd fall into this category of merchandising the Gospel.
There are not many ministries that truly live by Faith. But here is one….
http://www.charityministries.org/howtoorder.a5w
http://www.charityministries.org/tape-index.a5w
order what you like, proceed to check out they ask for a donation what ever you think appropriate and if you can not afford to send anything or chose not to send anything they will send you what you request anyway free of charge.
The people that run “charity ministry” don’t live in million dollar homes, drive Mercedes Benz and Rolls-Royce, dress like celebrities and take mega bucks for their salaries.
The scriptures foretold that these false Christ like Paula White, Larry Huch, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn and the like would flourish in the last days and people with itching ears would flock to them.
It is sad to watch it happen before your eyes, warn people and they still reject the simple Truth a child should be able to see but greed is a powerful enemy.
Greed of the False Teachers and greed of the listener…
They got a free salvation and now they want to be rich in the goods of this world to boot….
Don’t want to carry no cross, don’t want to deny this flesh any pleasure, don’t want no commandment to keep, don’t want to suffer in the lest.
Yahweh help this adulterous generation to see the Truth of The Gospel.
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I do have some concerns based on this passage.
1Pe 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
Comments?
I don't know what to think about all of the peddling. This verse seems to shed some light. But the biggest problem is to me, purchasing a miracle (or its sounding like it).
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anyone, please hear me, anyone selling a product is not preaching the Gospel of Yahshua....
Oh, come on, nothing is free. Even internet websites have to be paid for.
To some Ray Comfort is the end-all and be-all when it comes to the true gospel, but he has a portion sectioned off for donations and also has a section selling books, etc.
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http://forgottenword.org/false.html
"got to get the product" that what he and she both said...
anyone, please hear me, anyone selling a product is not preaching the Gospel of Yahshua....
Yahshua cleansed the temple in His day for this very thing...
If you can't see this I hope you find your way to the real cross of Yahshua and get Born Again ....
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Can you show us where these lies are?
If it is that big a problem.
I know I am wasting my breath, but here goes again -
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from Good NewsforAll- Jesus is referred to God's only begotten son in the Apostles, and then referred to his begotten son in the Epistles, because after Pentecost we were given the grace of becoming his begotten sons/daughters as well.
1 John 5:1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
18We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
Rev. 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the FIRST BEGOTTEN of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
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Can you show us where these lies are?
If it is that big a problem.
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This is getting a little tiring -
Luke 6:29If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also.
You haven't seen me promote the prosperity gospel. That is a very small part of a lot of ministries. What I am promoting is for people to be aware that there are downright lies being printed about many preachers, all in the name of hype to dig out some good dirt about someone, even if it is false.
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It is to try and WAKE some people up before it is to late.
Some seem to be totally blind!
God will not let these people get away with their self love and stealing from the flock.
You need to wake up and get your head out of the sand.
If you are a prosperity gospel teacher you need to repent before it is to late.
It is so sad to see people like you that want to promote the people that are stealing from God's people so they can promote themselves and live a life of luxury.
If you are here to do this you may as well leave as I have said many time it will not be tolerated here.
You are the one that needs to WAKE UP and stop trying to deceive the sheep of Jesus.
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What is the true motive of this video? Is it to uplift the truth, or is it done in vain by a secular artist?
2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
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Greetings KnowHim, LOL LOL.
that video is soo funny! Sad, but true. I just dont understand why some Christians dont see whats going on today with a lot of the prosperity/WOF teachings.
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My Brothers and sisters, It is God who forgives he NEVER condems. If what Paula White is doing is wrong then let God deal with her. Above all is Christ and if we see our brothers and sisters at fault we which are spiritual, restore such a one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. In other words don't damn her to hell, don't talk ill will about her, restore her like the scripture say in prayer and God will deal with her accordingly. Its not proper or Christ like to talk about her in that manner. Pray for her.
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Amen BecauseHElives! I agree.
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Good NewsforAll ,
A true child a Yahweh may go directly to the Father only because Yahshua is seated at the right hand of the Father Yahweh.
The true child of Father Yahweh never forgets without Yahshua they are nothing.
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Micheal,
I find it interesting that your experience in the Pentecostal camp can carry so much weight in your theology, yet your experience with hearing Paula's teaching [as posted 04/01 - like fingernails on a chalkboard] doesn't carry a similar weight. Or maybe I am reading too much into it.
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Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Heir of God! As sons, we are heirs of God, not of what God gives us. The proper order is that we are heirs of God. Relationship!
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
We put Christ on from the center of our heart outwards, when we are baptized into Him. By belief do we put Him on from the center of the heart. When He is taken thusly, he casts our sin away. Then we are seated with Him, by this, in heavenly places.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Jesus is the fullment of the law. HE is the law written in our hearts. This is how we 'really know Him' then.
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When we abide in Him, we are one with Him and He is who the Father hears when we pray.
That's great!! Showing once again that we have the mind of Christ and are joint-heirs with him.
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Jesus is the only begotten in that He is not created. He always was, is and ever shall be. But He made us brethren, a high, very high respect indeed.
When we pray to the Father, we do so 'by' Jesus, else we shall not be heard. Therefore we understand what it means to abide in Him, that we may pray 'by' Him, that we may be heard. He is our 'life'. When we abide in Him, we are one with Him and He is who the Father hears when we pray.
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I already gave you a scripture stating that we can go directly to the Father.
only in His Name....
we go direct to the Father through His Name, never forget we still need a mediator.
Yahshua didn't need a mediator...
think about it Good NewsforAll ,
John 16:23 At that time you won’t need to ask me for anything. I tell you the truth, you will ask the Father directly, and he will grant your request because you use my name.
It doesn't say that we go to Jesus first - what is more clear than 'DIRECTLY'. By using Jesus' name we are telling God that we recognize that prayers are answered through the saving grace of Jesus.
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I already gave you a scripture stating that we can go directly to the Father.
only in His Name....
we go direct to the Father through His Name, never forget we still need a mediator.
Yahshua didn't need a mediator...
think about it Good NewsforAll ,
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Remember the Greek expressed in the passage of Yeshua being the ONLY BEGOTTEN expresses the idea of Distinctiveness or "One of a Kind"
As a born-again Christian, are you not one of a kind.
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from yahsway:1Do you ask the Father for anything in YOUR OWN name or In Yeshuas (Jesus) Name?
or in other words do you mediate between yourself and the Father or is there another mediator?
I already gave you a scripture stating that we can go directly to the Father.
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from yahsway:Just more dumbing down of Yeshua to elevate us to His place.
Keep in mind that these are the Bible's words, not mine -
1 Cor. 2:14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
Matthew 5: 48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
John 14:12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
2 Cor. 3 16 But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
18 So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord—who is the Spirit—makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image.
I also quoted a scripture in Ephesians 2, stating that we sit with Jesus in the heavenly realms, just like he is seated at God's right hand.
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You are correct sway. But this will not change in this lifetime. Love will cover a multitude of sins! Others!!!!
It is a commandment. It is THE commandment.
To the praise of HIS glory: Thank you for considering. Amen! And bless you much. Inosmuch as I abide in Him; In His name, I am able.
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GoodNewsForAll,
Were you born of a virgin Birth? Did God overshadow your mother with His spirit? Are you distinctive in that sense? Are you the ONLY Begotten Son of God?
Remember the Greek expressed in the passage of Yeshua being the ONLY BEGOTTEN expresses the idea of Distinctiveness or "One of a Kind"
Were you born WITHOUT SIN? He was!
Did you Die for the Sins of the World? He did!
Do you ask the Father for anything in YOUR OWN name or In Yeshuas (Jesus) Name?
or in other words do you mediate between yourself and the Father or is there another mediator?
You are adopted into the family because of your faith and belief and acceptance of WHO HE IS.And as scripture says "if indeed we suffer with Him" then we are also joint-heirs.
I think where the confusion lies in how Yeshua was represented from Larry Huch and Paula White, almost like they were stripping Yeshua of His Diety and placing onto us as believers.
Drew, apparently you must have gotten that impression to, for I read your post about being "gods" and I too got the same impression when i watched the video.
Just more dumbing down of Yeshua to elevate us to His place.
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Jesus had a lot to say about sanctification in the Book of John, chapter 17. In verse 16 the Lord says, “They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world,” and this is before His request: “Sanctify them in the truth: Thy word is truth.” Sanctification is a state of separation unto God; all believers enter into this state when they are born of God: “But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption” (1 Corinthians 1:30). This is a once-for-ever separation, eternally unto God. It is an intricate part of our salvation, our connection with Christ (Hebrews 10:10).
Sanctification also refers to the practical experience of this separation unto God, being the effect of obedience to the Word of God in one’s life, and is to be pursued by the believer earnestly (1 Peter 1:15; Hebrews 12:14). Just as the Lord prayed in John 17, it has in view the setting apart of believers for the purpose for which they are sent into the world: “As Thou didst send Me into the world, even so send I them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth” (v. 18, 19). That He set Himself apart for the purpose for which He was sent is both the basis and the condition of our being set apart for that for which we are sent (John 10:36). His sanctification is the pattern of, and the power for, ours. The sending and the sanctifying are inseparable. On this account they are called saints, hagioi in the Greek; “sanctified ones.” Whereas previously their behavior bore witness to their standing in the world in separation from God, now their behavior should bear witness to their standing before God in separation from the world.
There is one more sense that the word sanctification is referred to in Scripture. Paul prayed in 1 Thessalonians 5:23, “The God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Paul also wrote in Colossians of “the hope which is laid up for you in the heavens, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the Gospel” (Colossians 1:5). He later speaks of Christ Himself as “the hope of glory” (Colossians 1:27) and then mentions the fact of that hope when he says, “When Christ, who is our Life, shall be manifested, then shall ye also with Him be manifested in glory” (Colossians 3:4). This glorified state will be our ultimate separation from sin, total sanctification in every aspect. “Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is” (1 John 3:2).
To summarize, sanctification is the same Greek word as holiness, “hagios,” meaning a separation. First, a once-for-all positional separation unto Christ at our salvation. Second, a practical progressive holiness in a believer’s life while awaiting the return of Christ. Third, we will be changed into His perfect likeness—holy, sanctified, and completely separated from the presence of evil.
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Grace sanctifies us moment by moment.
Not accumulatively. It is whole and complete, as you moment by moment recognize it. You need to read more slowly. Perhaps you do not want to see the truth of this. Don't depend on a dictionary. The author of the definition obviously didn't understand the meaning.
Jesus is the proper authority. Not his understudies.
You did not read objectively, but rather to find what would seem to agree with your premise.
http://path2prayer.com/article.php?id=273
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This is so often brought-on by the new convert seeking to copy those around them, which elicits a strong and real emotional response, intense fervor, chills and goosebumps, ecstatic shaking, suggestive reaction to guided encouragement.
I have never experienced that, neither have I personally known anyone who has; though some of what I have experienced, you would likely catagorize as the same.
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It is the process of sanctification, begun when one is justified through Christ, and continues to mold and make the Believer after His will.
If you have never read anything that I have said, this is unscriptural. If you dare, there is someone whose words probably express this better than mine, if you would like to visit this site. I cannot tell that he was Charismatic, he was not, that I have been able to determine; but he does know the truth (not that you would agree).
http://path2prayer.com/article.php?id=273
From the link which you provided:
You didn’t know I was going to give you theology, but I have been doing so. Justification at the beginning, glorification at the end, and in the meantime sanctification. Don’t be afraid of the word sanctification! It’s a Bible word. There are all sorts of perverted and unscriptural teachings about it, but, thank God, grace sanctifies us. Grace is going to glorify us. And grace, if we let it, sanctifies us experimentally, moment by moment, unaided by any efforts of ours. For grace is the exclusive work of God.
Grace sanctifies us moment by moment.
sanctification is the same Greek word as holiness, “hagios,” meaning a separation. First, a once-for-all positional separation unto Christ at our salvation. Second, a practical progressive holiness in a believer’s life while awaiting the return of Christ. Third, we will be changed into His perfect likeness—holy, sanctified, and completely separated from the presence of evil.
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Now, as an afterthought I realize that I was at a church once, who faked it. It was a fellowship in Houston. These people seemed to have been formed to get free handouts from the government. And they acted Pentecostal, but I could discern that the Spirit of God was not there.
Then there was a place in Louisiana, whose service I attended, who behaved this way. They were not the real thing (sorry to judge them). These are two out of many that I have personally attended, and mind you, I am not afraid to go to the funniest of them. (I thought it best to say it this way.)
It is true that emotionalism becomes a substitute for the movement of the Spirit, but where it is not recognizable to some, it is to me.
http://path2prayer.com/article.php?id=273 [Here is a man who was editor of the Sundayschool Times, speaker at the Keswick Convention and at the Moody institute.
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Drew I take no offense in your statement about Pentecostals, I am one....
but what Drew says is very true about the majority of Pentecostal, Full Gospel, and Charismatic Christians...
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There is a contagious emotional fervor within much of the Pentecostal experience, that lays the Word of God aside in desperate seeking after the experiential signs and wonders.
I have found this to be a sad but true fact and one that has caused me and my family much rejection in the Body of Christ.
You know, we are in the last days, there is no doubt about it...
and much of the so called Church is set to receive the Antichrist because of the Paula White's excepted as teachers in the Church.
most people do not have a clue how to discern what is TRUTH...
It matter not if a person can call fire down from heaven or raise the dead. These things don't prove the person is from Yahweh.
Only those that love the Commandment of Yahweh and live accordingly have really made Yahshua master of their life. Only they have had a heart transplant as spoken of by the prophet(Ezekiel 36:24-28)
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For I will take you from among the nations,
gather you out of all countries
and bring you into your own Land
Then I will sprinkle clean WATER on you,
and you shall be clean;
I will cleanse you from all your filthiness
and from all your idols.
I will give you a new heart
and put a new SPIRIT within you;
I will take he heart of stone out of your flesh
and give you a heart of FLESH.
I will put My SPIRIT within you
and cause you to walk in My statutes,
and you will keep My judgements and do them.
I. A Heart of Flesh is a tender thing; every small prick will make it bleed: so every sin, may, the smallest sin will offend, and make a tenderhearted Christian cry out, much more a great sin.
II. A Heart of Flesh is a soft Heart; the philosophers description of a soft thing is, that it easily gives way to a touch: so a true Christian, a tenderhearted Christian will yield to God’s word, to his reproofs, to his commands. Lay your finger upon a stone, and that yields not; but lay your finger upon flesh, and that will yield: so will a Saint. Josiah’s Heart melted, when the law of God was read to him; his Heart gave way and yielded to God’s word, and trembled at the judgments denounced; he had a Heart of Flesh, a tender and soft Heart, 2Kings 22:10.
III. A Heart of Flesh cannot bear a great weight; a heavy burden will crush and mar it exceedingly. Lay ever so great a weight upon a stone, and that will bear it; you cannot crush that, nor make the least impression in it, what weight soever you lay upon it: but a heart of flesh, or that which is of a soft substance, is of another nature; a weight will bruise, crush and mar it immediately. So a tenderhearted Christian cannot bear the weight of sin; he feels the burden heavy, that he is sorely crushed down and oppressed under the guild thereof, and grievously bruised. Thus it was with David. “I am troubled; I am bowed down greatly; I go mourning all the day long. Psalm 38:6
IV. A Heart of Flesh, I mean a living Heart, for it is such an one of which the text speaks, is a sensible Heart: so a tender-Hearted Christian, or a man or woman that hath a Heart of Flesh, is very sensible. Such are sensible of their vileness, and loathe themselves before the Lord, cannot bear the thoughts of Gods displeasure; it goes to their very Heart, to think that the holy and infinite God should be displeased and offended with them: they are sensible of their own sorrows, and of the sorrows and miseries of others. A tenderhearted person will grieve for the afflictions of his brethren and sisters; if his mother, or any dear relation is distressed, and in great misery, Oh how sensible is he of it, and how sorely troubled and disquieted in his spirit! And thus it is with a tenderhearted Saint; O how he is grieved for the distressed Saints, and for distressed Sion!
V. A Heart of Flesh, i.e., a tender Heart, will take any impression you please, so a tenderhearted Christian will take any impression from God: he is like wax melted, that will take the impression of the seal. They are ready to take the stamp of the Word, the image of God, which is righteousness and true holiness. The Spirit and Word of God can mold those Hearts into any form or fashion God pleaseth.
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This is so often brought-on by the new convert seeking to copy those around them, which elicits a strong and real emotional response, intense fervor, chills and goosebumps, ecstatic shaking, suggestive reaction to guided encouragement.
I have never experienced that, neither have I personally known anyone who has; though some of what I have experienced, you would likely catagorize as the same.
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It is the process of sanctification, begun when one is justified through Christ, and continues to mold and make the Believer after His will.
If you have never read anything that I have said, this is unscriptural. If you dare, there is someone whose words probably express this better than mine, if you would like to visit this site. I cannot tell that he was Charismatic, he was not, that I have been able to determine; but he does know the truth (not that you would agree).
http://path2prayer.com/article.php?id=273
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I'm sorry that you feel that way takecare. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Among God's true sheep, there are no cut-throats. That is why God chose sheep, not billygoats.
Why is it that when one get's right with God, he then thinks that he is righteous, and can judge other Christians? Paul himself said that it was a small matter to be judged of you (yes, you!), that he judged not himself, but that there was one that judged him. Then he also said judge nothing before the time.
If someone is off track, you don't have to follow them. Personally, and this means personally, I feel that anyone who claims to believe in Jesus is better off than if they don't. I don't have to follow them. I certainly don't want to discourage them. I want to encourage what is right in them. god will sort them out!
David won't allow promotion of certain concepts, which is fine. In a sense he is shifting the focus from upholding someone who is doubtful to some, to focusing on whatsoever is good, i.e. think on these things said Paul, which is a good way to go. Whatsoever is said should at some level direct one's attention to Jesus. Anything less is distracting one from Jesus. No one should be distracted from Jesus, and the fussy stuff succeeds at this.
You are not righteous at anytime that you assume that you are. That is to say, your righteousness is not of you, so you have no claim as though you are better than another, to say to them that you are. Humility is then gone, and righteousness with it.
Gal 6:1 "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such a one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted."
What does this passage mean? What would you be tempted by? It would be pride, holier-than-thou, self-assured.
So then he says:
Gal 6:2 "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ."
The Books go on to say that "They will know we are Christians by our love for one another."
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There is a contagious emotional fervor within much of the Pentecostal experience, that lays the Word of God aside in desperate seeking after the experiential signs and wonders.
This is so often brought-on by the new convert seeking to copy those around them, which elicits a strong and real emotional response, intense fervor, chills and goosebumps, ecstatic shaking, suggestive reaction to guided encouragement.
Been there, and for a number of years walked through the full gospel spectrum. Seen the devout hunkered at the alters for hours as the faithful seek to pray them through into speaking-out in ecstatic gibberish.
It was true study of God's Word, and the illumination by His Holy Spirit which brought me out of the cult-like atmosphere of Pentecostal confusion.
There is no special or second blessing as Wesley taught, and was molded and shaped by the Holiness and early Pentecostal movements for the sinner is justified solely, completely, and fully by the propitiation of the shed Blood of Christ Jesus our Lord. At that point one is Born again and indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God.
It is the process of sanctification, begun when one is justified through Christ, and continues to mold and make the Believer after His will.
It is the unlearned, the lazy, the foolish who instead of seeking to yield themselves to the indwelling presence of God and to His will, willfully seek after the "quick-fix", and the signs and wonders sold from the WOF pulpits.
God is not the Author of confusion, neither is He glorified by beast sounds, floor groveling, uncontrolled laughter, outrageous performances, manipulated manifestations of spiritual phenomenon, staged selected healing while the truly sick are ushered out the side doors, etc.
Wolves in sheep's clothing like Paula White are snake-oil salesmen in the house of the Lord, and should be driven from the House of God which they have turned into a den of merchandise.
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I just want to say to my brothers and sisters, NO hard feelings, I love you all and wish you all the best. This is my first time on the site and I am glad I met new brothers and sisters in Christ. Love you!
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Thank you for the welcome WildB
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Micheal Harrison, thank you for that I can respect a brother that can agree to disagree with someone and not bash them for the cause. To me that is maturity. You say "Maybe she is a false teacher, but not a false Christian. Paula's teaching is like fingernails on the chalkboard to me; but I believe that she is my sister, and I cannot participate with denouncing her in a spirit of meanness, such as is the case in this posting. Reproof is one thing God allows. Rejection is another. I do not reject her, or Huch. We are kindred in the Spirit, something that the non-pentecostal, charismatic, will not understand" i can understand and respect your position in this because although you don't agree you don't bash either. Thanks my brother God Bless you.
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WARNING!
Before you pust this to far please reread the rules for this message board:
We do not promote the prosperity gospel preachers on this message board. You may not to teach this false gospel. There will be no warning from here on, you will just be removed from this message board. This is not debatable.
She is a prosperity gospel preacher! So don't push it, those that have been here a while know I will not put up with it and most of the time I do not give a warning. But this time I am.
Thank you,
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In spite of the fact that we have been thrown a bit of bait once in awhile, no one has promoted the prosperity gospel. The issue is that Paula W is saying that Jesus is not the only begotten son.
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Originally posted by yahsway: Like I said, we are ONLY Heirs because we are Born-Again. Yeshua was NOT Born-again. He is the ONLY One who was Begotten of His Father.
You are forgetting to mention that we are joint-heirs, which means equal. The fact that he is not born again has nothing to do with being begotten. There is no correlation between the two.
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by yahsway:Example: You may interced in prayer for someone, BUT you are not the Mediator, only Yeshua IS!
John 16:23 At that time you won’t need to ask me for anything. I tell you the truth, you will ask the Father directly, and he will grant your request because you use my name.
At what time is Jesus refering to? It is written in verse 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:
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by yahsway:But we are not EQUAL with Him. Remember He ALONE is King of kings and Lord of lords.
He came In His Fathers Name. YOU come to the Father thru His Name.
The Bible is not lieing when it tells me I am a joint heir, no matter what route it took. An adoptee in the natural realm would be very upset if you told them that they were second to any other natural children in their adopted family. They should be considered equal, and just as much a part of the family as the rest of the children.
So many Christians don't realize how much God loves them. Without the Holy Spirit I am nothing, but the Bible tells me that through Jesus and his Spirit endless mercy and grace is available.
Col 2: 9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.
Eph.1:20 20which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only
22And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.
God did this for us, the church, with his fullness to fill everything in every way. Not only that BUT -
Eph 2:4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
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Romans 10:15 As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"
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I see a divide here that illustrates something worth addressing. I am from the camp of Pentecost. Pentecost gives a perspective to those who have experienced it, that will not be found in other denominations that cling to faith in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Many of the external observers to these, see things that they do not understand, and cannot explain when they look at the 'antics' of those who know the Holy Spirit this way. I am not ashamed. Pentecost is not something that I did, nor could I cause it. Moreover, I could not in a thousand lifetimes, with all of my effort, or desiring, come to understanding of what happened to me on that wonderful day that I experienced it. I could not make it happen. It is the Baptism of Love that awakens one's spirit by touch, to the realization of Him in a depth that cannot be found without it, no matter the dedication, no matter the searching, no matter the perseverance. By this I know that I am His without having to wrestle with it.
Once upon a time, after my eyes were opened through this out-pouring of His Holy Spirit over me, I thought that those who did not reach this point were not saved after all. It is a little mysterious, all this: some with; some without. Now I believe that people do come to know Jesus without this event, however, there is a valuable perspective which they do without when they do not receive this blessing of God. This lack of perspective separates the body of Christ into at least a couple of camps. That is the only way that it can be said.
But does it mean that those without the Baptism of the Holy Ghost are not saved? Saved! I think. I hope! However, it is somewhat doubtful in the long run, based on the parable of the talents. But we as finite beings are not able, or licensed to determine this, to the extent that one who believes is truly saved, based on Luke 8:5 and 8:12, and the expression "that they might - believe and be saved"). (Those who believe are saved and either grow into deeper revelation, and the reality of Him, to the extent that the bring forth fruit, or they die out and are cast as dead branches into the fire. But they did believe, and were initially 'saved'.)
But this is God's providence to determine who will enter into the joy of the Lord. So, I must be accepting, as much as lieth within me, of those who are not in this camp, because I cannot judge them not to be His, for it is not my right. And if I do, I may find myself a castaway.
I must preach this blessing because it is my experience, the which after the fact I see plainly, that the scriptures clearly declare such baptismal blessing to be among the accessories of the believer whom God our Father embraces. I testify that it is so. Do not take my word for it though. He would have you seek Him concerning it. He is who you should trust. He is who you should seek always. The rest will fall in line.
Where I stand in my understanding is that you are sealed when you experience this outpouring, not before. Perhaps that is debatable, but it is so profound to experience that you are bound to feel certain. Moreover, you recognize those who are similarly sealed, even if they are errant concerning certain matters. Such errancy does not disqualify them as heirs. And those who accuse, and excuse, themselves stand before God who is the righteous judge, as they do.
Many on that day will be stunned at who got in - wherein they didn't. Herein is the lesson of the gospels concerning weaping, or wailing, and gnashing of teeth. The self elected will find themselves thrust out, and will be amazed that who they thought was wicked, was the child of God upon whom His very favor rested. Judge not lest ye be judged! It is clear. But it is ok as long as you are willing to be judged, in which case, go for it! You have His word concerning it.
Maybe she is a false teacher, but not a false Christian. Paula's teaching is like fingernails on the chalkboard to me; but I believe that she is my sister, and I cannot participate with denouncing her in a spirit of meanness, such as is the case in this posting. Reproof is one thing God allows. Rejection is another. I do not reject her, or Huch. We are kindred in the Spirit, something that the non-pentecostal, charismatic, will not understand.
If I am rejected for this posture (and I am not imposing this on anyone, but simply expressing one aspect of relationship that fits my understanding and the understanding of the Spirit), it is between the rejector of me and his or her Lord. I am pleasant and fine, and well within the Joy of the Lord. I will love thee no less, and will cherish the opportunity the the Lord gave me to speak. Neither am I challenging.
Eph 4:3 "Endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace." That He may abide among us.
There are differences, and like lemmings, crowds within each camp gravitate from one field of nonsense to another one until they find the pasture wherein they are called as one body to be in.
I hope that someone will have taken away some truth from what is posted by my hand. They will be richly rewarded of Him to discover what I have enunciated, and richly blessed to realize.
As is our Lord, I am no stranger to rejection. He said that it would be this way. Jesus is infact often turned away even by the churches where believers go to worship Him. They think that they have discovered Him in the emotionalism: Or they think that they have found Him in the correction and reproof, and branding. However, He is not in that.
It is a long way from where we are on our high horse, down to where He will meet us on our knees. It is hard to realize that we are rising back up to find ourselves seated once again on the seat of our high horse. Pontificating blinds us to our condition! Yet it should be a neon sign.
In Christ Jesus our Lord have I spoken, and am not ashamed. Amen!
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WildB, whats not biblical?
Also, the scripture says there are 6 things God hates and 7 is an abomination Proverbs 6:16-20
These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
1. A proud look,
2. a lying tongue,
3. hands that shed innocent blood
4. A heart that deviseth wicked imaginations
5. feet that be swift in running to mischief
6. A false witness that speaketh lies
7. and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Welcome friend.....
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Becausehelives, who says she is proud? all i am saying is what the word says and that is to restore in meekness and love, she has a relationship with Christ and her relationship with Christ is hers, like wise yours is yours. Thats just like me saying your a hypocrite from what your saying, I will have no right saying that because 1. I don't know you 2. I don't know your walk with Christ. So who am I to say such a thing to you or about you. Your screen name says it all. Because HE lives. And because of that we have the right to the tree of life when we accept him. No one is perfect and we are all striving for perfection in the greek perfect means whole so we are all striving to be whole and will make mistakes along the way. if we were all perfect there would be no need for a redeemer. Redeemed means to buy back and christ bought us back from sin and is constantly doing everyday for everyone of us. No-one is exempt. And all i am saying is if we all fall short we need to cover one another in prayer and not condemn. We as a body of believers should do better about ourselves. The world condem us enough we don't need to condem one another
Paula White has placed herself into the position of leader/teacher, and teaches error to a large number of people, with large revenues flowing-in.
Just as we must stand against the leadership of such cults as the LDS and the Jehovah's Witnesses, we must expose error and false teaching by wolves in sheep's clothing of the cult of WOF.
Just as we judge their faith and practice, the substance of their doctrines and teachings, so too will our own be judged.
The great difference is that they are not being held accountable and there are too many who like a myna bird repeat that shrill condemnation, "Judge Not!!".
http://www.capalert.com/judgenot.htm
And, as a FEW examples of His desire for us to judge,
# 1Cor. 6:2-3 Do you not know that the saints [the saved; Christians] will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!
# Prov. 3:21 My son, preserve sound judgment and discernment, do not let them out of your sight;
# John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
# Jer. 22:3 Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness...
# Phil. 1:10 so that you may be able to discern [judge] what is best and may be pure and blameless until the day of Christ...
# Phil. 1:7 It is right for me to feel this way about all of you [judge you]...
Matt 7:1 seems to support the allusion that we are not to judge at all if we use small-vision tactics by focusing on only that small piece of the total of what Jesus was saying.
Look at John 7:24. There, Jesus tells us to judge, but to do so righteously. Righteously means to use the Truth of the Word to discern sins and not by appearances only. In 1Cor. 6:2-3 Jesus authorizes us to judge. Judge we must else we could not discern good from bad, proper from improper, righteousness from evil. But judge behavior, not the individual; the deed not the doer; the choice not the chooser. The individual/doer/chooser is accountable for his/her deed/choice, but judge the deed/choice in your judgment. Jesus could see a king in a shepherd boy. And an Apostle in a murderer. So while we must judge one's behavior we must we try to nurture the goodness in an individual: to separate the deed from the doer.
And to continue, Matt 7:6 says. "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs (the KJV says "swine"). If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." How are we going to know as undesirable the behaviors of "dogs" and "swine" if we do not judge?
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Bold4Christ ,what Jesus did with the woman caught in adultery.
he forgave her but he also told her go and sin no more....
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The President when he committed adulterous acts he was still addressed as the president.
the President if their were any righteous in Washington DC would have been put out of office.
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Why when we as Christians are found doing something wrong we have to be other than what Christ called us to be.
because there is a place where Yahweh says enough put them out from among you and don't except them back till they change their behavior.
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WildB, whats not biblical?
Also, the scripture says there are 6 things God hates and 7 is an abomination Proverbs 6:16-20
These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
1. A proud look,
2. a lying tongue,
3. hands that shed innocent blood
4. A heart that deviseth wicked imaginations
5. feet that be swift in running to mischief
6. A false witness that speaketh lies
7. and he that soweth discord among brethren.
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Who says she did not repent?
I look at it this way, The President when he committed adulterous acts he was still addressed as the president. Why when we as christians are found doing something wrong we have to be other than what Christ called us to be.
All i am saying is love her in spite of, pray for her don't cast her out, is that not what Jesus did with the woman caught in adultry. We are not with Paula White so we don't know if she repented or not its our job to pray and restore not condem and past judgment.
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