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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
In defense of Larry Huch and Paula White, our Father did not make us judges of where people are at in their walk for the sake of a critical spirit, and a sharp tongue. He loves them where they are. If we think not and wish to throw out scriptures that whittle people down, shall we not remember that we ourselves have been opposed to God even in our own walk at some point, if not even explicitly so now. Moreover, He commands us with the greatest commandment of all which is fullfilled in this: "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all of your heart, soul, mind and strength, and thy neighbor as thyself." Even if, as a church we discipline someone, we are to love them, and do so in love. That never changes.

The high and mighty are quick to pass judgment thinking that they are doing so for a worthy cause, for ex. the protection of the rest of the sheep. Yet my Bible says that "no one can pluck them out of my hands." Therefore, who are we to elevate ourselves to be protectors of whom God is able to 'keep'. Moreover, prayer is intended for this type of thing for:

Otherwise we pontificate arrogantly and ourselves are judged of the Lord even as we judge.

I would steer someone away from whatsoever I had a concern about. Anybody would. However name calling is not a fruit of the Spirit.

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Amen!! Love gets lost in many of these posts
1 Corinthians 13: 1 If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
2 If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing.

3 If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing.
 

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Posted by becauseHElives (Member # 87) on :
 
You talk about love, the problem is no love for the Truth in them or you that receive them.

Tts 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

First off a woman is not even to preach in the capacity Paula White has asumed.

secondly this is her second divorce...what ever happen to the directive of Yahweh's word that say a minister of the word must be the husband of one wife... for all you that except women preacher, I just wonder doesn't that apply to women or since the word only refers to men it doesnt apply to women?

third and most important the prosperity message is a lie from the pit of hell and that is all Paula White is about is more money in her pockets.

You all that except her do not value the scriptures...
 

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Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on :
 
becausehelives: will you get them to love the truth by condemning them? Isn't it God's job to condem, and if we do it are we not in error?

Love is the first rule. Love is the bottom line.

"He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now."(1Jn 2:9)

God is pretty tolerant, even if He is at the same time very strict! Look at your heart. If you accuse them of not being brethren, are you entirely sure that you are not making a mistake? The first clue is when you accuse in your heart. That is an automatic failure: a self shoot down; a fall from grace!

Would it not be better to say that you dissagree with them believing that your concept aligns more properly with God, and then spell out why? When God judges our works, these will be among them, whether we accused and found fault, or we yielded to the Spirit to minister His love by prayer, and possibly through wise council.

Prayer changes things, it is said, or it changes you! If something needs to change, and it doesn't, hum.... We can say that it is the other guy. What does Jesus say? "Whosoever shall say to his brother 'thou fool' shall be in danger of hell fire." Here is another defeat for OSAS.
 

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Posted by becauseHElives (Member # 87) on :
 
Michael these are not my words...

Tts 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

I did not write the scriptures, I can only obey what they say.

I know for a fact Paula White has been admonished more than twice about the heresies she is vomiting into the CHURCH.

and that is not even taking into fact she is divorced.

You need to understand love is just not excepting people the way they are but sometimes is very hard.

have you not read in the scriptures where Paul said put such out of your mist until they repent.

I love people enough to tell them the TRUTH no matter what they think of me.

I don't think you can say the same from what you are saying here.
 

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Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on :
 
Well, all I can do is offer! The Lord will judge according to Paul's gospel, those who are so sure.

When you say "no matter what they think of me," you speak loudly, and presumptuously, in supposing yourself to be better than they, it seems. You assume that you are speaking Jesus insomuch that you are infallibly speaking his voice, not considering yourself in a modest manner. If you are speaking His heart, then it is not out of self-election that you are responding with your critique. If you are not speaking the heart of Jesus, you are under His judgment. Nothing more can I say.

One is in, or out.
 

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Posted by becauseHElives (Member # 87) on :
 
Paul's gospel....

I must be confused, I thought it was Yeshua's Gospel!

but Paul did say about Yeshua's Gospel....

As we said before, so say I now again. If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Paula White is preaching another gospel!
 

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Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on :
 
Go for it becausely

Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
 

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Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on :
 
He said that He desires mercy, not sacrifice! The spirit behind this judgmental critique is the same that made the Pharisees what they were. (Dig that jimbarn, recovering see!)

Moreover it reads that we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. Not somebody else's.

Rightly dividing the word of God
 

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Posted by Good NewsforAll (Member # 6156) on :
 
Amen Michael. The Pharisees and the devil condemn. Only God can see within our own hearts to convict.

Right off the top, I would never judge her for divorcing. Only God knows the circumstances, and we don't know if she has asked for forgiveness for any error on her part. Condemning again BecauseHElives??
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 
What she teaches is heresy.

We are to bring righteous judgment and to recognize wolves in sheep's clothing:

Matt. 7:
15: Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.


Righteous judgement
2 Peter 2:
1: But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2: And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3: And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
4: For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5: And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6: And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7: And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)
9: The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
11: Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
12: But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
13: And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14: Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16: But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb *** speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
17: These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18: For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19: While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20: For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21: For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22: But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.


1 Cor. 5:
9: I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11: But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12: For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13: But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

1 Cor. 2:
9: But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10: But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11: For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12: Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13: Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15: But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16: For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

2 Timothy 3:
16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


Main Entry: doc•trine
Pronunciation: 'däk-tr&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French & Latin; Middle French, from Latin doctrina, from doctor
1 archaic : TEACHING, INSTRUCTION
2 a : something that is taught b : a principle or position or the body of principles in a branch of knowledge or system of belief : DOGMA c : a principle of law established through past decisions d : a statement of fundamental government policy especially in international relations


Main Entry: re•proof
Pronunciation: ri-'prüf
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English reprof, from Middle French reprove, from Old French, from reprover
: criticism for a fault : REBUKE

Main Entry: 1re•buke
Pronunciation: ri-'byük
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): re•buked; re•buk•ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Old North French rebuker
1 a : to criticize sharply : REPRIMAND b : to serve as a rebuke to
2 : to turn back or keep down : CHECK
synonym see REPROVE
- re•buk•er noun


Main Entry: cor•rec•tion
Pronunciation: k&-'rek-sh&n
Function: noun
1 : the action or an instance of correcting : as a : AMENDMENT, RECTIFICATION b : REBUKE, PUNISHMENT c : a bringing into conformity with a standard d : NEUTRALIZATION, COUNTERACTION
2 : a decline in market price or business activity following and counteracting a rise
3 a : something substituted in place of what is wrong b : a quantity applied by way of correcting (as for adjustment of an instrument)
4 : the treatment and rehabilitation of offenders through a program involving penal custody, parole, and probation; also : the administration of such treatment as a matter of public policy -- usually used in plural
- cor•rec•tion•al /-shn&l, -sh&-n&l/ adjective


Main Entry: righ•teous
Pronunciation: 'rI-ch&s
Function: adjective
Etymology: alter. of earlier rightuous, alteration of Middle English rightwise, rightwos, from Old English rihtwIs, from riht, noun, right + wIs wise
1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
2 a : morally right or justifiable b : arising from an outraged sense of justice or morality
3 slang : GENUINE, GOOD
synonym see MORAL
- righ•teous•ly adverb
- righ•teous•ness noun
 

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Posted by Good NewsforAll (Member # 6156) on :
 
The big issue here is the 'heresy' of Paula White saying that Jesus wasn't the only Begotten Son.

The scriptures also refer to him as the firstborn and firstbegotten. Let's not forget Pentecost.

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

We share in the Father's glorious inheritance that Jesus paid for on our behalf. Romans 8:16-17 says, "The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs of God and "joint heirs with Christ".
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 
The big issue is that this is just one of her MANY heresies, that she is a WOF proponent and one of the blind leading the blinded. A wolf fleecing the sheep.

Those who support Paula are being led in deception, and need to break free of these shackles of bondage.
 

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Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on :
 
All I can say is judge all that you want to.

"For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." (Mat 7:2)

I feel that Paula is embracing worldly riches and it mess up her testimony. But God doesn't stand there with a whip over her. Why do you justify yourselves doing so based on some verses out of the epistles? It makes you feel proud and important. But God is no respectors of persons.

Is what is in her heart worse than what is in yours?
 

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Posted by Good NewsforAll (Member # 6156) on :
 
What she said is not a heresy. Do you have a veil over your eyes Caretaker?

Ezekiel 12:2 Son of man, you live among rebels who have eyes but refuse to see. They have ears but refuse to hear. For they are a rebellious people.

I don't follow Paula White, but in this instance there is a very biblical explanation.
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 

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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
All I can say is judge all that you want to.

"For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." (Mat 7:2)

I feel that Paula is embracing worldly riches and it mess up her testimony. But God doesn't stand there with a whip over her. Why do you justify yourselves doing so based on some verses out of the epistles? It makes you feel proud and important. But God is no respectors of persons.

Is what is in her heart worse than what is in yours?

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The point is that she is a FALSE TEACHER, and teaches error and leads a great many to destruction. Jesus clearly taught that we are to stand against false teachers.

Follow the Word Michael and lean NOT UNTO your own understanding!!!

Matt. 7:
15: Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16: Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17: Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18: A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19: Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20: Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 

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Originally posted by Good NewsforAll:
What she said is not a heresy. Do you have a veil over your eyes Caretaker?

Ezekiel 12:2 Son of man, you live among rebels who have eyes but refuse to see. They have ears but refuse to hear. For they are a rebellious people.

I don't follow Paula White, but in this instance there is a very biblical explanation.

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Open your heart to the truth of God's Word and understand that what Paula White presents is false.


"Jesus is not the only begotten Son of God"?!?!?!

We are not begotten children of God. We're given "the right to become children of God" (John 1:12 NKJV). Jesus was BORN the Son of God. We were BORN "children of wrath" (Ephesians 2:3). We become children of God by adoption (Romans 8:15).

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:14 NKJV)

THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Posted by Good NewsforAll (Member # 6156) on :
 
I stand by Word, which says I am a joint heir with Jesus. Hallelujah!!
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 

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Originally posted by Good NewsforAll:
I stand by Word, which says I am a joint heir with Jesus. Hallelujah!!

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You stand by "word", but not by the Word of God.

Through the spirit of ADOPTION, NOT AS A begotten Son of God, for Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD!!!!!!!!!!

John 3:
16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
 

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Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on :
 
I will say it again. Will ye condemn someone because they are ignorant, if He does not?

Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
 

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Posted by Good NewsforAll (Member # 6156) on :
 

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Originally posted by Caretaker:

Originally posted by Good NewsforAll:
I stand by Word, which says I am a joint heir with Jesus. Hallelujah!!

You stand by "word", but not by the Word of God.

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Romans 8:17(KJV)
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
 

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Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on :
 
We are "joint Heirs" with Yeshua because we are ADOPTED into the family.

Yeshua Is the ONLY begotten Son of God.

There is a difference.

When we are born, we are born to earthly Adamic parents.

Its not until we are Born-Again that we become sons/daughters of Yah.

Yeshua did not have to be born-again. He had no sin nature. He was perfect, spotless lamb of Yahweh.

He alone redeemed us back to the Father. But He and the Father were always Echad or ONE.

He Was and Is and Is to come.

And if Paula White is "Ignorant" then she does not need to be teaching.

Ive been saying all along, the church is asleep. Yeshua shed His blood to REEDEEM us BACK to the Father.

Paula White should not be teaching anyway. Left her first husband for Randy and now is divorcing Randy. Sheesh, when will the body get their heads out of the sand and stand up for what is right?
 

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Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on :
 
swey: Start at the top and read down. I don't feel like retyping it.

Jesus is the only begotten! What Huch said was out of the epistles where it uses that term as well, but concerning the elect. And you sound just like the vulture, perched with an eye for the kill.

I am sorry that Paula doesn't know better. But I said it at the top of the post, our primary ministry is not the ministry of judging, and condemning. There is more scripture to support this than to suppord ostracizing just whomever someone is uncomfortable with.

Moreover, a house built on the rock will not be moved by these people. So it will not feel necessary to bark at them like bulldogs, an act that is carried out before men, to look good in front of them, rather than to look good in front of God. And if you ask the Lord, He will show you really quickly. I don't believe that Jesus saves someone to have them eaten by the laity.

He who is guiltless cast the first stone.

Self election causes one to frown on another.

1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

Are you not secure in your faith? If you were you wouldn't have to pick on someone else. I wouldn't do that to a mormon. (But I did talk about Oprah.)

Jesus said plainly, "Forbid them not! They who are for me will not quickly turn agains me."

1Co 4:6 "And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another."

Paula has a worth that she has not discovered possibly. Do we say to her be banished?

1Co 12:21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. What kind of Kingdom would heaven be?

1Co 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
 

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Posted by becauseHElives (Member # 87) on :
 
what we have here is Grace that saves and sloppy grace that sends people to an eternal hell.

All the people like Paula White that teach these off the wall prosperity messages and anyone that watched that clip cannot deny the main thrust was about health, wealth and prosperity for the child of Yahweh.

As preached by the prosperity preacher "Word of Faith" all their message is heresy they don't even have the atonement right.

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Paula has a worth that she has not discovered possibly. Do we say to her be banished?

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the scriptures make it very plain, because of her divorce issues conclusively she has no place of teaching or authority in the Body of Yeshua .

There are qualification for leadership in the Church that are etched in stone, Yahweh has declared this is the way it is and we have nothing to say about it.

I don't have to judge anything , Yahweh has already commanded this is how it is.
 

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Posted by Good NewsforAll (Member # 6156) on :
 

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Originally posted by yahsway:
We are "joint Heirs" with Yeshua because we are ADOPTED into the family.

Yeshua Is the ONLY begotten Son of God.

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Definition of adopt - to take and rear (the child of other parents) as one's own child, specifically by a formal legal act.

Legally I am just as much as a child of God as Jesus is. When God said that Jesus was only begotten son in the Gospels, it was true, but how do you explain the change in the Epistles? We have been given the free gift of being joint heirs, or equal with Jesus, through his sending his Holy Spirit at Pentecost.

Again-

1 John 5:1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
18We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead

Rev. 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the FIRST BEGOTTEN of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
 

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Posted by Favor Minded (Member # 4661) on :
 

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Michael said - He who is guiltless cast the first stone.

Self election causes one to frown on another.

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It IS NOT casting a stone to point out the blatent error in doctrine, or blatent blasphemy used by Huch to again entice people to believe that you CAN serve God AND money.

There is NO basis in truth in any they teach because the error(s) of all they say simply destroy ANY witness or credibility they ever may have had.

Either you believe ALL of the bible, or you do not. Either you believe it is ALL TRUE or NONE of it is truth...

If you believe it is ALL truth, then ONLY begotten son is indeed quite clear:

John 3
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The Word Becomes Flesh
John 1
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’”
16 And[e] of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son,[f] who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him
 

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Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on :
 
Nelsons Bible Dictionary-

"Begotten, Only- a NT phrase that describes Christ as the ONLY, or Unique, Son of His heavenly Father. The GREEK word expresses the idea of DISTINCTIVENESS- "ONE OF A KIND" As the UNIQUE, SINLESS Son, Jesus accomplished OUR salvation through HIS death on the cross."

Like I said, we are ONLY Heirs because we are Born-Again. Yeshua was NOT Born-again. He is the ONLY One who was Begotten of His Father.

Example: You may interced in prayer for someone, BUT you are not the Mediator, only Yeshua IS!

You are not Saved/Reedeemed because of something you did, but because of what Yeshua did. Remember there is NO other name in heaven or earth which one may be saved except thru the ONLY begotten Son.

You are an heir and joint Heir with Yeshua. Yeshua will hand everything Over to the Father, because He is the ONLY begotten of the Father. Can you do that?

The way it is presented by Larry Huch and Paula White is that You, not just Yeshua, are Yahs only begotten and that takes the Distictiveness from Yeshua and lessens His place. It puts you equal with Him.

But we are not EQUAL with Him. Remember He ALONE is King of kings and Lord of lords.

He came In His Fathers Name. YOU come to the Father thru His Name.
 

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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :
 
You got to get the "PRODUCT"..

No thanX

~ Salvation is free~
 

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Posted by David Campbell (Member # 1) on :
 

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Love is the first rule. Love is the bottom line.

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True love is what it is all about. But to love someone don't mean you would let a blind man walk off a cliff because you don't want to hurt their feeling.

You don't love others when you let false teachers continue to spread their lies deceiving many on TV for profit.

If you love people you don't let others hurt them and you try not to let them hurt theirselves. Setting back and letting them continue preaching a false gospel is NOT love.


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Posted by David Campbell (Member # 1) on :
 

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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
I will say it again. Will ye condemn someone because they are ignorant, if He does not?

Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

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Someone that gets on TV deceiving millions is not just your average Joe. Yes we are to expose false teachers out of love for others.

Col 3:13 is talking about believers and how they are to act with each other when one repents. Teaching a false self promoting gospel shows these people have never come to know Jesus Christ but have leaned toward the one who was removed from heaven because he wanted to promote himself.

I do pray all false teachers will repent!

When they do I sure will do whatever I can to help them. But I will not help them damn themselves.


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Before you pust this to far please reread the rules for this message board:

We do not promote the prosperity gospel preachers on this message board. You may not to teach this false gospel. There will be no warning from here on, you will just be removed from this message board. This is not debatable.


She is a prosperity gospel preacher! So don't push it, those that have been here a while know I will not put up with it and most of the time I do not give a warning. But this time I am.

Thank you,
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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 
Amen David!


This is an interesting article on equality with Christ.

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My Brothers and sisters, It is God who forgives he NEVER condems. If what Paula White is doing is wrong then let God deal with her. Above all is Christ and if we see our brothers and sisters at fault we which are spiritual, restore such a one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. In other words don't damn her to hell, don't talk ill will about her, restore her like the scripture say in prayer and God will deal with her accordingly. Its not proper or Christ like to talk about her in that manner. Pray for her.

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Bold4Christ ,what Jesus did with the woman caught in adultery.

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Becausehelives, who says she is proud? all i am saying is what the word says and that is to restore in meekness and love, she has a relationship with Christ and her relationship with Christ is hers, like wise yours is yours. Thats just like me saying your a hypocrite from what your saying, I will have no right saying that because 1. I don't know you 2. I don't know your walk with Christ. So who am I to say such a thing to you or about you. Your screen name says it all. Because HE lives. And because of that we have the right to the tree of life when we accept him. No one is perfect and we are all striving for perfection in the greek perfect means whole so we are all striving to be whole and will make mistakes along the way. if we were all perfect there would be no need for a redeemer. Redeemed means to buy back and christ bought us back from sin and is constantly doing everyday for everyone of us. No-one is exempt. And all i am saying is if we all fall short we need to cover one another in prayer and not condemn. We as a body of believers should do better about ourselves. The world condem us enough we don't need to condem one another

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WildB, whats not biblical?

Also, the scripture says there are 6 things God hates and 7 is an abomination Proverbs 6:16-20

These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

1. A proud look,
2. a lying tongue,
3. hands that shed innocent blood
4. A heart that deviseth wicked imaginations
5. feet that be swift in running to mischief
6. A false witness that speaketh lies
7. and he that soweth discord among brethren.

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WARNING!

Before you pust this to far please reread the rules for this message board:

We do not promote the prosperity gospel preachers on this message board. You may not to teach this false gospel. There will be no warning from here on, you will just be removed from this message board. This is not debatable.


She is a prosperity gospel preacher! So don't push it, those that have been here a while know I will not put up with it and most of the time I do not give a warning. But this time I am.

Thank you,
David

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Originally posted by yahsway: Like I said, we are ONLY Heirs because we are Born-Again. Yeshua was NOT Born-again. He is the ONLY One who was Begotten of His Father.

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by yahsway:But we are not EQUAL with Him. Remember He ALONE is King of kings and Lord of lords.
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The Bible is not lieing when it tells me I am a joint heir, no matter what route it took. An adoptee in the natural realm would be very upset if you told them that they were second to any other natural children in their adopted family. They should be considered equal, and just as much a part of the family as the rest of the children.

So many Christians don't realize how much God loves them. Without the Holy Spirit I am nothing, but the Bible tells me that through Jesus and his Spirit endless mercy and grace is available.

Col 2: 9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.

Eph.1:20 20which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only

22And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.


God did this for us, the church, with his fullness to fill everything in every way. Not only that BUT -

Eph 2:4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

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Posted by Bold4Christ (Member # 7108) on :
 
Micheal Harrison, thank you for that I can respect a brother that can agree to disagree with someone and not bash them for the cause. To me that is maturity. You say "Maybe she is a false teacher, but not a false Christian. Paula's teaching is like fingernails on the chalkboard to me; but I believe that she is my sister, and I cannot participate with denouncing her in a spirit of meanness, such as is the case in this posting. Reproof is one thing God allows. Rejection is another. I do not reject her, or Huch. We are kindred in the Spirit, something that the non-pentecostal, charismatic, will not understand" i can understand and respect your position in this because although you don't agree you don't bash either. Thanks my brother God Bless you.
 

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Thank you for the welcome WildB
 

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Posted by Bold4Christ (Member # 7108) on :
 
I just want to say to my brothers and sisters, NO hard feelings, I love you all and wish you all the best. This is my first time on the site and I am glad I met new brothers and sisters in Christ. Love you!
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 
There is a contagious emotional fervor within much of the Pentecostal experience, that lays the Word of God aside in desperate seeking after the experiential signs and wonders.

This is so often brought-on by the new convert seeking to copy those around them, which elicits a strong and real emotional response, intense fervor, chills and goosebumps, ecstatic shaking, suggestive reaction to guided encouragement.

Been there, and for a number of years walked through the full gospel spectrum. Seen the devout hunkered at the alters for hours as the faithful seek to pray them through into speaking-out in ecstatic gibberish.

It was true study of God's Word, and the illumination by His Holy Spirit which brought me out of the cult-like atmosphere of Pentecostal confusion.

There is no special or second blessing as Wesley taught, and was molded and shaped by the Holiness and early Pentecostal movements for the sinner is justified solely, completely, and fully by the propitiation of the shed Blood of Christ Jesus our Lord. At that point one is Born again and indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God.

It is the process of sanctification, begun when one is justified through Christ, and continues to mold and make the Believer after His will.

It is the unlearned, the lazy, the foolish who instead of seeking to yield themselves to the indwelling presence of God and to His will, willfully seek after the "quick-fix", and the signs and wonders sold from the WOF pulpits.

God is not the Author of confusion, neither is He glorified by beast sounds, floor groveling, uncontrolled laughter, outrageous performances, manipulated manifestations of spiritual phenomenon, staged selected healing while the truly sick are ushered out the side doors, etc.

Wolves in sheep's clothing like Paula White are snake-oil salesmen in the house of the Lord, and should be driven from the House of God which they have turned into a den of merchandise.
 

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Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on :
 
I'm sorry that you feel that way takecare.

Among God's true sheep, there are no cut-throats. That is why God chose sheep, not billygoats.

Why is it that when one get's right with God, he then thinks that he is righteous, and can judge other Christians? Paul himself said that it was a small matter to be judged of you (yes, you!), that he judged not himself, but that there was one that judged him. Then he also said judge nothing before the time.

If someone is off track, you don't have to follow them. Personally, and this means personally, I feel that anyone who claims to believe in Jesus is better off than if they don't. I don't have to follow them. I certainly don't want to discourage them. I want to encourage what is right in them. god will sort them out!

David won't allow promotion of certain concepts, which is fine. In a sense he is shifting the focus from upholding someone who is doubtful to some, to focusing on whatsoever is good, i.e. think on these things said Paul, which is a good way to go. Whatsoever is said should at some level direct one's attention to Jesus. Anything less is distracting one from Jesus. No one should be distracted from Jesus, and the fussy stuff succeeds at this.

You are not righteous at anytime that you assume that you are. That is to say, your righteousness is not of you, so you have no claim as though you are better than another, to say to them that you are. Humility is then gone, and righteousness with it.

Gal 6:1 "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such a one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted."

What does this passage mean? What would you be tempted by? It would be pride, holier-than-thou, self-assured.

So then he says:

Gal 6:2 "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ."

The Books go on to say that "They will know we are Christians by our love for one another."
 

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If you have never read anything that I have said, this is unscriptural. If you dare, there is someone whose words probably express this better than mine, if you would like to visit this site. I cannot tell that he was Charismatic, he was not, that I have been able to determine; but he does know the truth (not that you would agree).

http://path2prayer.com/article.php?id=273

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we go direct to the Father through His Name, never forget we still need a mediator.

Yahshua didn't need a mediator...

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Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on :
 
Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Heir of God! As sons, we are heirs of God, not of what God gives us. The proper order is that we are heirs of God. Relationship!

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

We put Christ on from the center of our heart outwards, when we are baptized into Him. By belief do we put Him on from the center of the heart. When He is taken thusly, he casts our sin away. Then we are seated with Him, by this, in heavenly places.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Jesus is the fullment of the law. HE is the law written in our hearts. This is how we 'really know Him' then.
 

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This is a must see video. Please, please watch it!

BLIND GUIDES - Click Here to Watch





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Posted by CHEWY (Member # 6970) on :
 
Micheal,

I find it interesting that your experience in the Pentecostal camp can carry so much weight in your theology, yet your experience with hearing Paula's teaching [as posted 04/01 - like fingernails on a chalkboard] doesn't carry a similar weight. Or maybe I am reading too much into it.

Chewy-
 

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Posted by becauseHElives (Member # 87) on :
 
Good NewsforAll ,

A true child a Yahweh may go directly to the Father only because Yahshua is seated at the right hand of the Father Yahweh.

The true child of Father Yahweh never forgets without Yahshua they are nothing.
 

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Posted by Good NewsforAll (Member # 6156) on :
 
Amen BecauseHElives! I agree.
 

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My Brothers and sisters, It is God who forgives he NEVER condems. If what Paula White is doing is wrong then let God deal with her. Above all is Christ and if we see our brothers and sisters at fault we which are spiritual, restore such a one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. In other words don't damn her to hell, don't talk ill will about her, restore her like the scripture say in prayer and God will deal with her accordingly. Its not proper or Christ like to talk about her in that manner. Pray for her.

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Prosperity Gospel theme song:

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Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on :
 
Greetings KnowHim, LOL LOL.

that video is soo funny! Sad, but true. I just dont understand why some Christians dont see whats going on today with a lot of the prosperity/WOF teachings.
 

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Posted by Good NewsforAll (Member # 6156) on :
 
What is the true motive of this video? Is it to uplift the truth, or is it done in vain by a secular artist?

2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
 

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Posted by KnowHim (Member # 1) on :
 
It is to try and WAKE some people up before it is to late.

Some seem to be totally blind!

God will not let these people get away with their self love and stealing from the flock.

You need to wake up and get your head out of the sand.

If you are a prosperity gospel teacher you need to repent before it is to late.

It is so sad to see people like you that want to promote the people that are stealing from God's people so they can promote themselves and live a life of luxury.

If you are here to do this you may as well leave as I have said many time it will not be tolerated here.

You are the one that needs to WAKE UP and stop trying to deceive the sheep of Jesus.



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1 John 5:1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
18We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead

Rev. 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the FIRST BEGOTTEN of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

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Good NewsforAll,

Do not post anymore prosperity gospel preachers links on this message board.

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If it involves Paula White it is about a prosperity preacher. Don't post links to them as they are wolves stealing from God's people.

In case you don't understand the picture, the wolf if the Prosperity Gospel Preacher and the sheep are God's people.

So we are to help keep the wolves away so don't send people to their den.



All you are showing is where the hunter is putting out bait for their pray. Enticing them in so they can steal from them. It is very sad indeed. I do pray all prosperity gospel preachers will come to know the Lord Jesus Christ and open their eyes before it is to late for them.


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