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The Word declares the disciples gathered to break bread on the first day of the week.
Acts 20:7 7: And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1 John 3:4
23: And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
Col. 2:
14: Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15: And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
It is the Judaisers which sought to impose the ordinances of the Law of Moses upon the Gentile believers. The ordinances fulfilled in Christ Jesus our Lord and nailed to the Cross of Calvary.
Acts 17:
1: Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
2: And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
3: Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
4: And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few.
The manner of Paul was to go unto them when they gathered and reason with them out of the scriptures. The Jews and devout Greeks gathered on the Sabbath and that was when they were available with the scriptures.
Acts 13:
1: Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
2: As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
3: And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.
4: So they, being sent forth by the Holy Ghost, departed unto Seleucia; and from thence they sailed to Cyprus.
5: And when they were at Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews: and they had also John to their minister.
14: But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
15: And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.
16: Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.
42: And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43: Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44: And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
45: But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
46: Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
47: For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
48: And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
49: And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.
To the Jew first in the synagogues, and then to the Gentiles. When did the Jews gather and hear the Word?
The Jews gathered on the Sabbath.
1. Creation was completed in six days.
2. God rested on the seventh day.
3. God blessed the seventh day.
4. God sanctified the seventh day.
5. The reason God sanctified the seventh day was because He rested on it.
6. The seventh-day account does not have the formula "and there was evening and there was morning, a seventh day" as do the six days of creation.
7. There is no mention of the word "Sabbath" in the book of Genesis.
8. There is no command for mankind to rest in the Genesis account.
9. Nothing is expressly mentioned regarding man in the seventh-day-creation rest.
10. The seventh-day "rest" of God was most likely characterized by His delight in His new creations and in open fellowship with Adam and Eve in the sin-free, perfect environment of Eden.
11. The conditions which characterized the "rest" of God would probably have continued had it not been for man's sin.
12. The seventh day of Gen 2:2,3 may have been a regular day as were the first six days of creation, or it may have been an indefinite period of time.
13. The Genesis account does not mention an end to God's seventh-day rest. It is presented as an ongoing state by the omission of "and there was evening and there was morning, a seventh day". The fact that the Genesis account is so carefully constructed indicates that this omission was not accidental.
14. When man sinned, he was excluded from God's REST and God began His WORK of redemption to restore man back to himself.
What is this new "WORK" which God started immediately after Adam and Eve sinned? We read that "The Lord God MADE garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and clothed them" (Gen 3:21). This event was the beginning of a "WORK" which would continue throughout the centuries until it's significance would become fully revealed in the death of Christ. The death of that first lamb, while not mentioned as such in the Genesis account, was the acorn of the great truth which, through the following centuries, would grow into the great, spreading oak of righteousness by faith. It pointed forward to Christ's substitutionary life and death for lost mankind. Naked Adam and Eve were clothed with robes made from the skin of the lamb - a substitute who gave his life. Millennia later Paul would put this same truth in these words:
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. 2 Corinthians 5:21
All of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. Galatians 3:27
The work of redemption was the work which God started when man sinned and was driven from Eden's rest. This work would continue until man was restored to God's true rest. Jesus is our Sabbath rest, not some 24-hour period of time
Romans 14
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Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
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For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
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Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
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Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
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One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
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He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
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For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
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For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Galations 3:
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But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
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Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
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But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
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For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
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For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
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There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
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And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
No where in the Word is Noah commanded to keep the Sabbath.
No where in the Word is Abraham commanded to keep the Sabbath.
Neither are Issac, or Jacob, or Joseph.
It was not until the Children of Israel had arrived at Sinai was the Sabbath given to them as part of the 600+ Commandments of God.
We are not under the Law of Moses given on Sinai, but under the Grace of Christ.
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Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
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But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
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For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
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16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..
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Originally posted by Betty Louise:
yahsway
Paul was indeed talking about Jewish Christians who were trying to force Gentile Christians to become Jewish. Barry and several others are doing the same thing here. Paul would come out against them for adding to what God requires for salvation.
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Over and over people have shown that the law is our school master to show us that we are sinners and need Christ. The law does NOT save anyone.
I am still waiting for one person to tell me how they are able to keep every law in Leviticus.
betty
Betty Louise you are point on...
The shadow puppet show is getting rather old but let us continue to pray that the shadow talkers seek a different Curtain call.
One not based on their observance/performance of the law but Faith in Christ.
For no other foundation (stage) can be built upon than that of Jesus Christ.
Let our Curtain call be recognized by the Grace of God and his mercy thru Christ and not by the Law.
In Jesus Name,
Amen
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yahsway
Paul was indeed talking about Jewish Christians who were trying to force Gentile Christians to become Jewish. Barry and several others are doing the same thing here. Paul would come out against them for adding to what God requires for salvation.
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Over and over people have shown that the law is our school master to show us that we are sinners and need Christ. The law does NOT save anyone.
I am still waiting for one person to tell me how they are able to keep every law in Leviticus.
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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WildB the Gnostic sect of believers were judging the other Jewish believers about observing the Hebrew festivals, new moons, Sabbaths (the 7 feast of the Lord)
You need to do a study on the Gnostics and what they believed and taught. This was the group Paul was referring to in that verse.
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Dear Father of Heavenly lights,
Let the shadow talkers learn to embrace substance.
In Jesus Name,
Amen.
Therefore let no one pass judgement on you in questions of food or drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. [Col. 2:16-17]
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o sorry, ill be more careful, was not my intenent..
thanks
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John 3:3;Mark 8:34-38;James 1:27
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when i posted something "special" i had no reference to homosexuals nor homosexuality..
Maybe not but your shouting of the statement by using caps gave it a "special" meaning.
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when i posted something "special" i had no reference to homosexuals nor homosexuality..
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John 3:3;Mark 8:34-38;James 1:27
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It really starts to make me nervous when I hear the word "SPECIAL" !
You know like a gay thang...
Matt 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity
Acts 8:23
For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Romans 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
check yourself brother!
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barry
Back at you.
Its the Gay Agenda that coins the word "SPECIAL" as it matters to civil rights.
Now here we have you doing it as it matters to religious rights...
From your post in Capitals by your hand....
WHEN SUNDAY IS MENTIONED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, ISN'T IT ALWAYS SOMETHING SPECIAL? COULDN'T IT BE INFERRED THAT SUNDAY WAS THE SPECIAL DAY FOR THE APOSTLES?
Please stop shadow talking.
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The Sign Between YHVH And Man
By James Hodges
For almost 2 millennia, Christians have been worshiping on Sunday – with no regard to Saturday in any religious sense. Certainly there must be a very good reason why all Christians observe Sunday. There must be overwhelming evidence in scripture pointing very clearly to the fact that YHVH desires His children to worship Him congregationally on Sunday. Such an accepted pillar of Christian faith should be easily proved in God’s word. We will see. Not to spoil the ending, I will just say that Sunday worship is a Catholic mandate that has a foundation of Sun Worship. It is a man-made ordinance and has been foisted on Christians as God’s will. But does God’s will change? Has He given His authority to men that they may change YHVH’s will by vote?
I want to show the following:
· Sabbath is instituted by YHVH and is an ordinance FOREVER.
· Sabbath is YHVH’s Sign between Himself and His elect.
· Sunday has been substituted by men in place of YHVH’s will for Sabbath.
· Sunday worship is founded in cultic worship of the Sun (a foundational part of the Pagan Trinity.)
Before I begin, I want to avoid all controversy over what day of the week Sabbath actually is. Some have said that any day can be your Sabbath – if you are observing it to honor God. Some have said that Sunday is the ‘Christian Sabbath’. Some have said that when the calendar was changed centuries ago, we lost track of the days of the week and Sabbath is therefore also lost. Let’s find out the truth and what YHVH’s will is regarding each assertion.
“Any day can be your Sabbath if your definition of ‘Sabbath’ is simply ‘rest’”. In this case, you establish and define the observance of this day. It now becomes a matter of your will, not God’s. YHVH calls the Sabbath day HOLY. He established it as a day of rest, but not because He was exhausted from the 6 days of creation – He obviously could not be omnipotent and then be in need of a break.
Sunday has never been Sabbath. In the Bible, it is called the first day of the week, Sabbath Always refers to the seventh day (and in some cases it refers to a holiday).
The Gregorian calendar was changed (updated) in 1582 to make up for errors in the previous (Julian) calendar. 10 days were removed from the monthly count, but the days of the week stayed the same. Thursday the 4th was followed by Friday the 15th. The days remained in order and the Sabbath was not lost. Interesting to note that the calendar was adjusted to be able to accurately date the pagan celebration of Easter.
Sabbath is instituted by YHVH and is an ordinance FOREVER.
YHVH established the Sabbath at creation. On the seventh day, He rested (ceased) from working. He had completed what He wanted to do with regards to creation. But why did He command us to keep it? We don’t need to be commanded to rest from our jobs – most people find it easy to spend a little time away from work. It isn’t to force us to worship Him – anyone who truly loves YHVH worships Him every day.
One key, I believe, is John 1 – it is even worded similarly. “In the beginning, was the Word (Logos) or (PLAN)”. YHVH has everything planned out in detail from the beginning. He has let us in on His pattern – 6 days work, 7th day rest. The pattern of 6/7 shows up many places in scripture as well as history – all pertaining to His PLAN. The 7th day was a rest, the 7th year was a rest (for the land), and the 7th millennium will be a rest. The Sabbath is a dress rehearsal for this final rest that WE get to enjoy very soon – (we are at the beginning of the 7th millennium now).
In Exodus 31:16, we see that YHVH makes His will clear concerning Sabbath. He establishes it as an everlasting ordinance for His children.
16 The people of Isra’el are to keep the Shabbat, to observe Shabbat through all their generations as a perpetual covenant.
It’s clear that YHVH meant for us to enjoy Sabbath forever. Not only does He spell it out for us, but (as our example) Yahshua and the all the apostles kept Sabbath.
We will even be enjoying Sabbath AFTER Yahshua returns as we see in Isaiah 66:22-24.
22 “For just as the new heavens and the new earth that I am making will continue in my presence,” says ADONAI, “so will your descendants and your name continue.
23 “Every month on Rosh-Hodesh and every week on Shabbat, everyone living will come to worship in my presence,” says ADONAI.
24 “As they leave, they will look on the corpses of the people who rebelled against me (Rebelled against what? YHVH’s Torah – Context of scripture here is worship and pagan practices). For their worm will never die, and their fire will never be quenched; but they will be abhorrent to all humanity.”
If we are to be enjoying Sabbath AFTER Yahshua returns, why would we think it is of no consequence now? Is it only for the Jews? No – Regarding His Elect, there is neither Jew nor Gentile in YHVH’s sight. Was it only valid until the Church Dispensation? NO – It is valid forever (everlasting). Out of the Ten Commandments, why would this one have a statute of limitations? Can we also say that since the Church Age is here we can put limitations on the other nine commandments? I say that since the Church Age began - MEN HAVE ALREADY PUT LIMITATIONS ON ALL OF YHVH’s COMMANDMENTS! The Church writes itself a Carte Blanche to change whatever it pleases. But YHVH does not change.
Sabbath is YHVH’s Sign between Himself and His elect.
Exodus 31
12 ADONAI said to Moshe,
13 Tell the people of Isra’el, ‘You are to observe my Shabbat s; for this is a sign between me and you through all your generations; so that you will know that I am ADONAI, who sets you apart for me.
17 It is a sign between me and the people of Isra’el forever; for in six days ADONAI made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day he stopped working and rested.’
The word ‘SIGN’ is Stong’s word #0226 and is defined as:
1) sign, signal
a) a distinguishing mark
b) banner
c) remembrance
d) miraculous sign
e) omen
f) warning
2) token, ensign, standard, miracle, proof
So, if the keeping of the Sabbath is a distinguishing mark on us, wouldn’t we want to be marked by YHVH (for everyone will receive a mark – either for YHVH or for the Beast)? If it is a banner, wouldn’t we want to hold up this banner to bring Him glory? As a remembrance, wouldn’t we want to honor YHVH by keeping the ‘fourth’ commandment to remember the Sabbath? As a miraculous sign, YHVH will bring us into His rest (the true meaning of the Sabbath) at the end of this age – IF we are obedient to HIS ways (Heb. 3: 7-15). As an omen, it speaks of this final rest. As a warning, we are warned that observing our own ways instead of YHVH’s will keep us from entering His rest.
Sunday has been substituted by men in place of YHVH’s will for Sabbath.
Whether you realize it or not, Sunday worship was adopted (and keeping the Sabbath was abolished) by a council of men. Quite apart from any scriptural backing, it was voted on and accepted that the Sabbath would no longer be the day of worship for the “Church”. The power of the “Church” had shifted from Jerusalem in the first century to Rome by the third century. By the time Constantine (a Christo-Pagan polytheistic sun worshiper) was emperor, the leaders of Christianity were mainly from and still living in a pagan society. In 321 CE, Constantine aided in shifting from Sabbath to Sunday worship by issuing a decree that throughout the Roman Empire, Sunday would be the official day of rest.
"On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for gain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost."
The “Church of Laodicea” was a powerful voice in the Christian world during this same time. Christianity had abandoned its Hebrew roots and the Catholic (meaning Universal) Church was emerging. Eager to distance themselves from anything “Jewish” and hang on to their pagan traditions, the Council of Laodicea ordered the “Church” to break from YHVH’s commands. To add insult to injury, the Council ordered that everyone should worship as the pagan religions all around them – on Sunday.
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ. (Canon 29 [A.D. 360]). (The Church Council of Laodicea circa 364 CE)
The evidence of human authority superseding YHVH’s authority is not only plentiful, it is openly admitted. Here are a few more examples. Keep in mind that these decisions were not based on any command of YHVH, Yahshua, nor any of the Apostles. Only by stretching the imagination and misinterpreting the scriptures can one come close to validating these following comments and decisions. Jewish prejudice aside, the main impetus for changing the Sabbath was touted as being “in honor of the day Christ rose from the grave”. As you read the following, remember from my last letter that Yahshua was NOT resurrected on Sunday morning (as the “Church” teaches), but was raised from the grave by YHVH on the Sabbath (as it was coming to its end) exactly as prophecy declared.
In the 5th century, Socrates Scholasticus Church History book 5[9] states:
"Nor is there less variation in regard to religious assemblies. For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this."
What ancient tradition? Yahshua’s resurrection was only 400 years old at this point – hardly an “ancient” tradition. But the practice of worshiping on Sunday (worship of Mithra, and many other Greco-Roman gods) was founded in ancient Babylonian mysticism. Hmmm… which one is being referred to here?
Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter 21, "Of Religious Worship, and the Sabbath Day". Section 7-8 reads:
7. As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in his Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, he hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him: which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week, which, in Scripture, is called the Lord’s day (FALSE!), and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath (“Christian Sabbath” is a Man-Made term – not found in scripture). Only by circular reasoning can this statement be made – (i.e. the Lord’s Day must mean Sunday since that is the day Jesus rose from the grave.) This “Lord’s Day” or “Day of the Lord” refers to the END OF DAYS – NOT SUNDAY - See Amos 5:18, Joel 2:31, 1Thes. 5:2. The Apostle John in Revelation uses this term. His entire letter is describing the end of days, end time events. He wasn’t saying, “let’s see, I think it was on Sunday that I had this vision”. No, he was saying, “I have been a witness of future events on the Day of YHVH” – referring to judgment.
"The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third (fourth) Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day." The Catholic Encyclopedia Topic: Ten Commandments, 2nd paragraph
How much clearer can it be stated!? It might as well have added “We, the Catholic Church, have usurped God’s authority and imposed our own will in deciding what day will be considered Holy.”
"We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy, catholic, apostolic church of Christ."--Episcopalian Bishop Seymour said in "Why We Keep Sunday." I could stop right here… The “Church” has led its followers away from YHVH’s will. The “Church” is Apostate! The “Church” has separated itself from the ONE True God, and the ONLY Messiah, Yahshua! WE MUST COME BACK TO YHVH – And stop following these pagan traditions!
Sylvester I (314-337 A.D.) was the pope during the reign of Constantine. Here is what he thought of the Bible Sabbath: "If every Sunday is to be observed joyfully by the Christians on account of the resurrection, then every Sabbath on account of the burial is to be execration [loathing or cursing] of the Jews."--quoted by S. R. E. Humbert, Adversus Graecorum calumnias 6, in Patrologie Cursus Completus, Series Latina, ed. J.P. Migne, 1844, p. 143.
It is very obvious that the “Church” abolished the true Sabbath and established its own day of worship – Sunday. But why? No scripture supports this. The only reason to switch days from Saturday to Sunday is to honor the god(s) that requires worship on that day! The early Catholic Church tried to pass it off as the day Yahshua rose from the grave, but we know this is not accurate. But there was no refuting their decisions unless you wished to be excommunicated, putting a target on the backs of all true believers. Even so, many true believers refused to have these pagan ways incorporated into their worship – and suffered for not conforming.
The new Catholic Church having successfully steered the “Church” away from YHVH’s Torah simultaneously married their old pagan traditions with what they deemed the right way to worship God and live a Godly life. Sunday worship has been so ingrained into “Christian” teaching that few, if any, ever consider questioning it.
Sunday worship is founded in cultic worship of the Sun.
"At this time in early church history it was necessary for the church to either adopt the Gentiles' day or else have the Gentiles change their day. To change the Gentiles' day would have been an offense and a stumbling block to them. The church could naturally reach them better by keeping their day."--William Frederick, Three Prophetic Days, pp. 169-170.
What horrible rationale. In other words, if the truth is offensive to the world, then let’s compromise the truth so the lost won’t be offended. But the fact is, if we compromise YHVH’s Truth to keep from offending the lost, we will join the lost. No, if you call yourself a follower of the One True Living God, you must abandon any and all pagan traditions and follow YHVH in Truth. If you go to a church that worships on Sunday, you are involved in a system that has replaced YHVH’s Truth and His ways with traditions of men – steeped in ancient pagan mystery religions and cultic abominations. Sounds harsh, I know. But there are only two sides to this very real battle. Which camp are you in?
Before the Catholic Church took it upon itself to rewrite God’s laws, all followers of YHVH kept the Sabbath holy. Even after the ungodly rulings were handed down by these so-called leaders, the true believers still kept Sabbath. The ‘Gentile’ nations, on the other hand, followed a line of worship born in ancient Babylon. These beliefs started with Ishtar (Easter, Eostre) and Nimrod (Baal) who built Babel and other early cities. Nimrod was killed in battle, and then deified as the ‘Sun God’ by his wife/mother Ishtar. She founded the cult by creating a trinity or triune of gods consisting of Nimrod(Baal) as the father, Tammuz (her illegitimate son – said to have been conceived by the rays of the Sun god Baal) as the Son, and the Eternal Flame (lit to signify Baal’s presence on Earth) as the Holy ‘Flame’ Spirit. Ishtar then set herself up as the Queen of Heaven and the Mother of God. All were worshiped as gods and this religion was spread to many cultures. Names were changed and characters added, but this Holy Trinity and Holy Mother are present in all the early pagan mystery religions from early Babylon to the Roman Empire. Look at the basic components that have survived into modern Christianity:
· Father - Baal worshipped on Sunday
· Son - Tammuz - born of virgin mother Ishtar by rays of the sun from Baal, born on December 25 (Rebirth of the Sun), died on Easter resurrected by Baal
· Holy Spirit - Eternal flame on earth of Baal's presence (Candles used in worship to signify the presence of God – common in Catholicism, but also used in other denominations)
· Queen of Heaven/Mother of God - Ishtar/Isis/Semaramis (Mary worship)
Sun worship and pantheistic beliefs were the norm for these cultures and worship of these (non)-gods was on Sunday. The Cult of Sol Invictus (the Invincible Sun) was the main religion of the Roman Empire. Constantine was the head of this religion. In Egypt, the Pharaoh was considered to be the Sun god Ra incarnate. Mithra, a Persian god who became a major player in the Roman cultic world, was worshiped as a ‘messiah’ and ‘son’ of the god Ahura Mazda. The holy day for all these cults… Sunday.
Conclusion
In Biblical times, Sabbath was kept only by those who followed Torah. The only ones who followed Torah were the followers of YHVH. The Apostles and the first century church kept the Sabbath, and as the gentile nations were brought into the family of YHVH, believers were challenged to give up their pagan ways. Some teachers in these early congregations were trying to bind the followers into a legalistic observance of Torah while others were trying to blend their old familiar pagan beliefs into true worship. The Apostle Paul was equally harsh on both, and warned the believers not to be fooled by either.
Yahshua was even harsher than Paul. To their faces, Yahshua called the Pharisees ‘whitewashed tombs full of rotting corpses’. To the new believers who were trying to hang on to their pagan roots, He said either choose YHVH or choose Baal. Trying to have both is an abomination. He specifically addressed the believers in Laodicea. They were already blending their old ways with true worship of YHVH, and we know from history that it wasn’t long before the Council of Laodicea officially broke from YHVH’s everlasting covenant of the Sabbath.
Rev. 3:
14 To the angel of the Messianic Community in Laodicea, write: ‘Here is the message from the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the Ruler of God’s creation:
15 I know what you are doing: you are neither cold nor hot. How I wish you were either one or the other!
16 So, because you are lukewarm, neither cold nor hot (but a blend of hot (YHVH) and cold (Baal)), I will vomit you out of my mouth! (this blending of YHVH and Baal is so disgusting that He would (figuratively) rather vomit than to stomach their compromising of the truth.)
17 For you keep saying, ‘I am rich, I have gotten rich, I don’t need a thing!’ You don’t know that you are the one who is wretched, pitiable, poor, blind and naked!
18 My advice to you is to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich; and white clothing, so that you may be dressed and not have to be ashamed of your nakedness; and eyesalve to rub on your eyes, so that you may see.
19 As for me, I rebuke and discipline everyone I love; so exert yourselves, and turn from your sins (Turn back to Torah)!
20 Here, I’m standing at the door, knocking. If someone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he will eat with me.
21 I will let him who wins the victory sit with me on my throne, just as I myself also won the victory and sat down with my Father on his throne.
22 Those who have ears, let them hear what the Spirit is saying to the Messianic communities."’ (That includes us)
So, how does YHVH, the ONE True God, feel about having His Sabbaths (and feast days) altered? Does He just look the other way or give a wink or shrug His shoulders? No – He HATES this form of worship! The prophet Amos records YHVH’s reaction to His people’s adoption of pagan Sunday worship and keeping pagan holidays such as Easter (This ‘Christian’ holiday was observed long before Yahshua).
Amos 5:
21 “I hate, I utterly loathe your festivals (Easter, Winter Solstice (precursor to Christmas); I take no pleasure in your solemn assemblies (Sunday worship).
22 If you offer me burnt offerings and grain offerings, I will not accept them; nor will I consider the peace offerings of your stall-fed cattle.
23 Spare me the noise of your songs! I don’t want to hear the strumming of your lutes!
24 Instead, let justice well up like water, and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream.
25 Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings in the desert forty years, house of Isra’el?
26 No, but now you will bear Sikkut as your king and Kiyun, your images, the star of your god, which you made for yourselves;
YHVH’s response to this unfaithfulness? 27 as I exile you beyond Damascus,” says YHVH ELOHEI-Tzva’ot— that is his name.
YHVH is clear – HE DOES NOT INHABIT THE PRAISES OF HIS WORSHIP BLENDED WITH PAGAN WORSHIP. Worship on Sunday in honor of YHVH is a blending of paganism. As much as we want to believe God is pleased with Christianity, He Himself clearly states that He takes ‘no pleasure’ in Sunday worship.
As the congregations in these gentile nations grew, they started to distance themselves from the “Jewish” things in worship. Sabbath was considered very “Jewish” – even though it was established at creation, well before the tribe of Judah even existed. In error, men have changed the Holy day that YHVH gave to us and led us down a path of cultic practices that honor non-gods. Sunday worship was ushered in by the Catholic Church, but ALL churches that meet on Sunday have their roots and origin in the Catholic religion (especially if they observe Easter(Ishtar), and/or Christmas(birth of Tammuz/ rebirth of the Sun god Baal) as holy days). All Sunday meeting churches are either Catholic or Protestant and will branch off of one of these. So in other words, ALL Sunday meeting churches are either Catholic or Protesting Catholics in origin and all follow the mandates handed down by the Catholic Church to break from YHVH’s truth and His perfect will. Is that where you believe you should be? Do your own research and don’t be afraid to question what you’ve been taught. Scripture is clear and simple… it’s the rationale of men that is clouded and deceptive.
So is it contrary to "Christian History" that the Emperor and Pontifus Maximus Constantine did NOT covert? True conversion would have proven itself by Constantine keeping Torah and abandoning all paganism. No, He converted us. Is it contrary to “Christian History” that the Catholic Church did away with “Jewish” things that were established by YHVH and substituted a “Christianized Paganism” that has infected ALL Sunday churches? It is a fact. This is spiritual ADULTERY! We are the bride – Yahshua is the bridegroom. Should it seem surprising that scripture is so condemning of His people allowing paganism into TRUE worship? Would a husband not be enraged to see his bride in the arms of another man? To this day, the Pope still holds the same pagan Sun god title Pontif – and yet declares that he is the very mouthpiece for God. He upholds the decisions that separated the ‘Church’ from the One True God. YHVH is full of mercy, and we as the bride can be reconciled with the bridegroom – but we have to choose.
Sabbath is still here for us. YHVH established it forever. He is still honored by our remembering it. It is HIS sign between Himself and His children. Trade that in for a false religion if you wish, but as for me and my house – we will serve YHVH.
Time is short – Choose today whom you will serve.
Parting Thought…
On a broader scope dealing with this and the other topics of the Trinity, abolishing the Torah(Law) and pagan holidays, consider how subtly we have been misled.
We have been taught that the Roman Emperor Constantine converted to the Hebrew God and became the first “Christian” Emperor. It’s true, He became "Christian", except that he himself helped to create the religion and the term "Christianity”. He was a very religious man and was eager to adopt this ‘new’ religion. But he was also the leader of the cult of Mithra (Sol Invictus) – even after his “conversion”. He had his coins minted with the words “Sol Invicto Comiti” (Committed to the Invincible Sun). So Constantine didn't accept the TRUTH, he created his own truth and YOU accepted Constantine's religion he coined "Christianity".
In reality, Rome at that time worshipped the Babylonian Mystery Religion created by the ancient queen of Babylon named Ishtar. Rome killed the True (Jewish) Messiah Yahshua, destroyed the City of YHVH (Jerusalem), destroyed the Temple of YHVH, killed YHVH's priests, and burned the Holy Texts (Courtesy of Emperor Diocletian) and took the remaining text back to Rome and altered them – allowing the Truth to be reformulated to honor the pagan religions so important to them. With this new religious power now in place, Rome (in the form of the Catholic Church) then waged war on the Jews and condemned all things pertaining to YHVH in the negative term "Judaism" and blamed the Jews for the death of "Jesus".
What Constantine did, was not convert to the Truth of YHVH, but rather CONVERTED THE TRUTH OF YHVH to paganism and renamed Tammuz the son of Baal into Jesus. He sold the Lie that Jesus was Yahshua, and then sold back to the entire world the Mystery Religion of Babylon which Constantine as Pontifus Maximus (High Priest of the Sun god) worshipped until his death. His new religion,” Christianity", was the polar opposite of the Truth of YHVH – a false image of the Truth, a replacement of YHVH and His ways with ancient paganism:
Sunday - worship of the Sungod Baal. Called Father.
Easter - worship of Tammuz (killed by a pig & celebrated in honor of Ishtar by sacrificing a pig –Easter Ham…)
Christmas - fertility worthip in honor of the Sun, it is the rebirth of the Sun and birthday of Tammuz.
Trinity - Father (Baal) / Son (Tammuz) / Holy Spirit (Eternal Flame represented by candle light).
Queen of Heaven / Mother of God - Ishtar, Queen of Baal, and mother of both Baal and Tammuz
Priests - "Fathers" and "Nuns"
New God - combined the Druid god Hesus with the Eastern god of Krishna giving us Hesus Krishna translated in English... Jesus Christ.
As a byproduct, Constantine created a militant religion (Catholicism) that has murdered and committed high atrocities in the name of "Jesus" their god. They forced this masquerade of Baal Worship on every culture they controlled. And lied to us and told us this was the God of Israel when it was the Mystery Religion of Babylon. But Darkness will never overcome the Light. We were warned this would happen over and over by YHVH's Prophets. We are told to come out her (Mystery Babylon) which is the Baal worshipping Christian Church founded in and given to us by Rome. Not an easy task – especially if you have been raised in any Sunday meeting church. But the choice remains – The Truth of YHVH or the false image of the Truth.
YHVH gave to us a SIGN and called it the Sabbath. Constantine changed it to Sunday in honor of Baal.
YHVH gave us a SEAL, the name YHVH, that we may know He alone is God and there is no other. Constantine removed that name in favor of a Trinity displayed as a SEAL of a cross on your forehead.
YHVH gave us a deliverer, a Passover Lamb, and resurrected this Messiah on the Sabbath to confirm His Holy Day. Constantine changed the sacrifice from the Passover Lamb to an Ishtar (Easter) Pig, and changed the day of resurrection from the Sabbath to Sunday.
Constantine's "Christianity" is the wide gate that leads the masses to the second death. I don’t say this lightly – it breaks my heart. I have many friends that will never let go of the Christo-pagan ways they were taught.
Sabbath/Shema/Salvation of YHVH (Yahshua) is the narrow gate leading to life eternal. I hope you find it
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It really starts to make me nervous when I hear the word "SPECIAL" !
You know like a gay thang...
Matt 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity
Acts 8:23
For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Romans 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
check yourself brother!
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Do we really love and seek Truth?
Or are we content with the traditions handed down to us by the generation befor us?
WHEN SUNDAY IS MENTIONED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, ISN'T IT ALWAYS SOMETHING SPECIAL? COULDN'T IT BE INFERRED THAT SUNDAY WAS THE SPECIAL DAY FOR THE APOSTLES?
The first day of the week is mentioned eight times in the New Testament:
MATTHEW 28:1; MARK 16:l-2,9; LUKE 24:l; JOHN 20:1: All are accounts of the resurrection.
Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all wrote their gospels many years after Christ's death, yet every one of them refers to Sunday as simply, “the first day of the week,” nothing more, nothing special.
JOHN 20:19: The disciples were hiding in the upper room behind closed doors in terror of the Jews.
ACTS 20:7-8: The dark part of the first day of the week is Saturday night (see New English Bible)
(MARK l:21,32; LEVITICUS 23:32). The service began on Sabbath and continued into the night. The first day of the week began at sundown. Paul spent most of Sunday, the next day, walking through swampy country from Troas to Assos where he was to catch a ship. “Breaking bread” was done “daily”
(ACTS 2:46) and was not necessarily associated with an assembly for worship. In this case it was most likely a going away supper for Paul.
1CORINTHIANS 16:1-2 “Lay by in store” does not mean, “put in the collection plate at the church.” It means to set aside at home. Some of the modern translations put it in this way. It means that the first act of business in the new week should be to separate a portion for God's service. After God's tithe and offerings are separated then we may continue with our regular business.
The weekly Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament fifty-six times.
Matthew
12:1-8, 10-12
24:20
28:1
Mark
1:21
2:23-28
3:2-4
6:2
15:42
16:1
Luke
4:16,31
6:1-9
13:10-16
14:1-5
23:54,56
John
5:9,10,16,18
7:22,23
19:14,16,31
Acts
13:14,27,42,44
15:21
16:13
18:4
In the eight passages which mention the first day of the week there is no command to keep it; there is no record of its being appointed as a sabbath; no record of any blessing being placed upon it; no record of its being made holy; no record of any sacredness being attached to it; no promise of a blessing for its observance; no threat of punishment for its nonobservance. It is not once given any sacred title. There is no record that Christ kept Sunday or commanded it to be kept. There is no record that the apostles kept it or commanded it to be kept.
9. DID PAUL KEEP THE SABBATH AFTER HIS CONVERSION TO CHRIST?
ACTS 26:11 . . . .
Saul the persecutor always knew where to find the Christians. He persecuted them in every synagogue. And they worshiped in the synagogue on the Sabbath.
ACTS 13:14-16 . . . .
In Antioch Paul worshiped on Sabbath.
ACTS 13:44 . . . . .
The next Sabbath in Antioch Paul preached to the Gentiles, (He didn't tell them to meet him on Sunday) and almost the whole city came to hear him.
ACTS 16:13 . . . . .
In Philippi, where there were no Jews therefore no synagogue, Paul went out by the river to worship on Sabbath.
ACTS 18:4,11 . . . .
In Corinth he "reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath" for a year and a half, or 78 Sabbaths. If Sunday were indeed the new day of worship, doesn't it seem that he could have got that point across before a year and a half?
ACTS 17:2 . . . .
In Thessalonica “Paul, as his custom was, went in (to the synagogue) to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the scriptures.”
10. WHY DOESN'T PAUL STATE SPECIFICALLY THAT THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH? IN FACT DOESN'T PAUL SAY THAT EVERY MAN SHOULD BE PERSUADED IN HIS OWN MIND?
A. Paul and other NT writers exhorted all to read and study the Scriptures which “will make you wise unto salvation.” The only Scriptures available at that time were the Old Testament, which are replete with references to the sacredness of the 7th day Sabbath.
B. The Jews were ready to kill Paul because he declared specifically that circumcision, was no longer necessary (GALATIANS 5:6-15). If Paul had declared that the Sabbath was changed or done away with, would not some account of the furor that would have caused be found in the account of his ministry. The Jews considered Sabbath observance at least as important as circumcision, yet great text is given to the account of the debate over circumcision and nothing is said about a change of the Sabbath.
Paul said, “I have fully preached the gospel of Christ” (ROMANS 15:19). Nothing was left out.
C. It is true that Paul said “Let every man be convinced in his own mind” (ROMANS 14:5). But isn't this the ideal we preach today. Each person must study and decide for himself the truth of the gospel of Christ. No observance, whether prayer or fasting or giving offerings, or Sabbath keeping is valid if the person does not understand the reason for what he is doing.
This statement reflects the change in Paul after the Damascus road. He no longer forced his beliefs on anyone. Even if he knew he was right he said “do not judge your brother.” How different from the Saul who dragged the Christians to Jerusalem in chains.
D. Devout Jews held to the custom of fasting twice a week. Paul was probably referring to this custom, because He mentions eating and not eating along with observing and not observing certain days. The days observed appear to be those days upon which certain men fasted. The context does not mention the 7th day Sabbath (Romans 14:1- 7). Paul appears to have kept the 7th day Sabbath, and there are passages which suggest that he also kept the festivals (1Corinthians 16:8, Acts 20:6, Acts 20:16). ( See also 1Corinthians 5:7-8 where Paul instructs the church regarding the keeping of the Passover.)
11. DIDN'T PAUL DESCRIBE SABBATH KEEPING AS TURNING AGAIN TO WEAK AND BEGGARLY ELEMENTS?
GALATIANS 4:9,10 “But how after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? You observe days and months and seasons and years.”
Bible teachers have differing interpretations of this passage. The Galatians were not Jews. These people had been pagans, and followed the cults of sun worship. Some say that they were now turning back to the things which they had left - worship of heavenly bodies.
Other teachers say that the Galatians who had come to belief in Christ, had been taken in by the circumcision party who were “zealous for the law.” They had themselves circumcised, and began keeping all of the Jewish festivals in order to be saved. Paul was adamant that we are saved by faith in Christ - not by “works of the law.” Keeping the Jewish festivals in order to be saved would be no better than observing pagan astral festivals in order to live forever. Both involved a type of salvation by works, and so would be called “weak and beggarly elements.
The apostle Paul refers to the law in two ways. Paul seems to be for the law and against it at the same time. This is most confusing to some. In Colossians 2:14, “the handwriting of requirements” is “wiped out,” while in Romans 3:31, he explains that justification by faith in Jesus Christ does not overthrow the law but “establishes” it. In Romans 7:6, he states that “now we are discharged from the law,” while a few verses later he writes that “the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good” (7:12). In Romans 10:4, Paul writes that “Christ is the end of the law,” while in 8:3-4, he explains that Christ came “in the likeness of sinful flesh . . . in order that the just requirements of the law might be fulfilled in us.” Paul maintains in Romans 3:28 that “a man is justified by faith apart from works of the law,” yet in 1Corinthians 7:19, he states that “neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God.” In 2Corinthians 3:7 Paul designates the law as “the dispensation of death,” while in Romans 3:2, he views it as part of the “oracles of God” entrusted to the Jews.
How can Paul view the law both as “abolished” and “established”, unnecessary and necessary? The answer is to be found in the context. When Paul speaks of the law in the context of salvation, he clearly states that law-keeping useless. “If justification were through the law, then Christ died to no purpose” (Galatians 2:21). When he speaks of the law in the context of Christian moral conduct, he maintains the value and validity of God’s law. In fact, Christ came, “in order that the just requirements of the law might be fulfilled in us” through the working of His Holy Spirit. While Paul said that the law was “abolished” as a method of earning salvation, he upheld the law as a standard of Christian conduct.
Let me just say that I do not keep the law in order to be saved. I do my best to keep God’s commandments because I believe that I have been saved, and am being saved, through the grace of Christ. This includes the 4th commandment to keep the 7th day Sabbath.
12. BUT AREN'T WE UNDER GRACE NOW? THE LAW AND THE OLD TESTAMENT HAVE BEEN ABOLISHED. Please read the study entitled GRACE AND THE LAW. http://www.aggelia.com/htdocs/grace.shtml
13. THE JERUSALEM COUNCIL DID NOT MENTION SABBATH KEEPING. AS A REQUIREMENT FOR GENTILE BELIEVERS.
“Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
Stealing, murder, disrespect for parents, bearing false witness, and taking God’s name in vain, were not mentioned either. This doesn’t mean those things are acceptable behavior for believers.
The appeal is made to Moses (meaning the first five books of the Bible) who is read in the synagogue every Sabbath. It is assumed that the Gentile believers will be in attendance every Sabbath, to hear such reading. Along with the history of God’s people, they will learn about the 10 Commandments, the prophetic festivals, the health laws, and all the other things relevant to their new relationship with the true God.
Peter admonished the Jerusalem council not to put a “yoke on the neck” of the Gentile converts “which neither our father nor we were able to bear” (Acts 15:10). What was this yoke? If the yoke refers to the 10 Commandments, then we must say that God put a yoke upon His own people which they were not able to bear. If however, the yoke refers to the man made concept of “righteousness by works of the law” then Paul is telling the council not to preach righteousness by works. This agrees completely with Paul.
14. WHAT ABOUT EPHESIANS 2:14?
“For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one (that is Jew and Gentile), and has broken down the middle wall of division between us, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is , the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.”
In Ephesians 2, Paul is speaking about the separation of Jew and Gentile. “You know,” Peter said, “how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation” (Acts 10:28). Now, in Christ, they were to call no man unclean. The laws dictating the separation of Jew and Gentile were abolished.
15. NO ONE IS TO JUDGE ANOTHER REGARDING A SABBATH (COLOSSIANS 2:13-17).
“And you (Gentiles), being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And he has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. . . . Therefore let no one judge you in food (grain offerings) or drink (offerings), or regarding a festival or a new moon, or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.” (See also Hebrews 9:10.)
[NOTE: Food itself was not a symbol “of things to come.” The passage is not addressing dietary laws. The “food” and “drink” refer to the offering of grain and wine, called “meat offering” and “drink offering,” which were made with every animal sacrifice.]
Paul could be understood to say “let no one judge you regarding” (whether or not you keep) “a festival . . . or sabbaths.” On the other hand, he could be understood to say “let no one judge you regarding” (the way in which you keep) “a festival . . . or sabbaths.” The meaning is not absolutely clear. Since Paul himself appears to have kept the festivals, (at least Passover and Pentecost)I believe the second interpretation is the most likely. The Christians partook of bread and wine at Passover, rather than of a sacrificial lamb. They did not bring animals for sacrifice on any festival day. They may not have appeared at the Temple in Jerusalem, at the festival times, believing that Christ now ministered in heaven (the true tabernacle) not made with hands.
What is “the handwriting of requirements that was against us?” Some say that this refers to all of the ceremonial law along with the 7th day Sabbath. A more accurate translation of “handwriting of ordinances” is “the written code.” In context, this handwritten code is wiped out because we are forgiven. I personally believe that the “handwritten code” refers to all of the rules piled upon the Jews by the Pharisees who taught righteousness-by-works. Jesus said, they were “teaching for doctrine the commandments of men” (Matt. 15:9). Paul here says that it is no longer necessary to keep all those commandments of men., because we have been forgiven by faith in Jesus Christ.
The “handwriting of ordinances” was “against us.” Did God give His own people something that was “against them?” I think not! The law given by God was for their benefit. It contained a living prophecy of Messiah to come. The “traditions of men” as Christ called them, were a yoke which they were not able to bear.
16. DOESN’T THE WRITER OF HEBREWS SAY THAT THE LAW HAS BEEN CHANGED?
“For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law” (HEBREWS 7:12).
In place of animal sacrifices we now have Christ - “the Lamb of God” (Hebrews 10:4, 9-10). In place of the Levitical priesthood we now have Christ our High Priest, who ministers in heaven - the true tabernacle (Hebrews 8:1-2). The new covenant has made the old covenant “obsolete” (Hebrews 8:13, 10:9). Three things are specifically said to be changed in religious practice - the sacrifice, the priesthood, and the Temple. Nowhere does the text say that the Ten Commandments were changed or abolished.
The law which was changed, was “received” on the basis of the Levitical priesthood (Hebrews 7:11). The 7th day was “hallowed” at creation, long before a Levitical priesthood existed. In fact, the Ten Commandments were spoken from Mt. Sinai before the Levites were appointed as the priesthood (Exodus 20). The law which was changed concerned those sacrifices which were carried out in association with the Sanctuary (or Temple). No priesthood is necessary in order to keep the 7th day holy.
17. OUR CHURCH HAS THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND I HAVE THE SPIRIT TO GUIDE ME. HE WOULD NOT LEAD ME WRONG.
JOHN 16:13 . . . .
“when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth.”
JOHN 17:17 . . . .
“Thy word is truth.”
PSALM ll9:142 . . . . .
“Thy Law is truth.”
JOHN 14:26 . . . . .
(the Holy Spirit) “He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
The Holy Spirit will not teach anything that Christ did not teach, or did not say.
1 JOHN 4:l . . . .
“Believe not every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”
ISAIAH 8:20
“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”
DANIEL 7:25
The antichrist power will “think to change time and law.” The only commandment that involves time is the Sabbath commandment.
2 CORINTHIANS ll:14
“Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”
18. HASN'T THE CALENDAR BEEN CHANGED SO MANY TIMES THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL WHICH DAY IS THE SEVENTH DAY?
Modern astronomers will tell you very quickly that no time has been lost in the last 3000 years, at the very least.
The manna fell for forty years. It fell on the six days of the week and did not fall on the Sabbath, thus reestablishing the weekly cycle (EX 16). There was no question in Christ's mind as to which day was the seventh, and no days have been lost since the time of Christ.
One calendar change which is frequently questioned was the Gregorian Calendar, accepted in l752. It skipped 11 days, from Sept 2 thru Sept 14, but it did not break the order of the days. Sept 2 was a Wed. and Sept 14 a Thursday.
19. SO LONG AS I KEEP NINE OUT OF THE TEN ISN'T THAT ENOUGH?
JAMES 2:10 “For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.”
LUKE 13:3 Speaking of sinners both great and small. “Except you repent, you shall all likewise perish.”
If we know that something is right but we resist it, then we are really resisting God, and Christ Jesus. This is the spirit of sin, selfishness, and rebellion. God cannot take this spirit into His kingdom.
If we are careless with the Sabbath, we are really saying to others that this commandment isn't important. We are acting as if God just made up something to irritate us and to be a burden. We are implying that God is arbitrary, which is just what Lucifer said in the beginning. To be careless with the Sabbath and thereby encourage others to be so, is to impugn the character of God. This makes it a very serious, in fact the worst of sins.
In Eden there were two trees. In earth's last days there are two days. We must choose whom we will serve. God has said that the Sabbath is a sign between Himself and His people.
The Sabbath commandment gives the Title of the Ruler, The Territory over which he rules, and the Name of the Ruler: The Lord your God, Creator of the heavens and the earth. These are the elements needed to create an ancient “seal.” The remnant of Revelation 7, who have the “seal of God," are also described in Revelation 12:17 as keeping the commandments of God. The 4th commandment was never excluded.
HOW TO KEEP THE SABBATH HOLY
LEVITICUS 23:32 The Sabbath begins at sunset on Friday.
MARK 16:1,2 The Sabbath is over when the first day of the week beings at sunset on Saturday.
EXODUS 20:8-11 Refrain from work. Even in harvest time and planting time, refrain from work. (EXODUS 34:21)
ISAIAH 58:13 Refrain from doing your own pleasure, that is secular entertainment, or activities which would call the mind away from spiritual things. On the Sabbath we renew our relationship with our God, and with fellow believers.
NEHEMIAH 13:15-21 Refrain from buying and selling on the Sabbath.
LUKE 4:16 Worship with others.
MATTHEW 12:9-14 Do works of mercy, relieving pain and suffering.
LUKE 4:16 Worship with others.
MATTHEW 12:9-14 Do works of mercy, relieving pain and suffering.
LUKE 4:31 Share with others a knowledge of God.
LUKE 14:l Enjoy Christian fellowship for the purpose of discussing spiritual things and for praying together.
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The original topic of this thread was;
Is the Sabbath..Sat or sunday?
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The Jewish Sabbath is still Saturday but the Christian Sabbath is in Christ - not on Saturday or Sunday.
Sunday is the traditional day of worship for Christians but it is not a binding Sabbath that we must observe on that particular day. Days are shadows - the substance is Christ.
But i think that we adequitley proved beyond any shadow of doubt that the Sabbath is Friday at sunset to Saturday at sunset; and that it was "MADE" for man, why? rest, praying, studying YHWH's word. It was made for man and it does not say anywhere that it was no longer for man. All things are not fulfilled...The Torah is still with us.
As Brother David stated:
Psalm 1
Psalm 1
1Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
3And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
4The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
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Do we really love and seek Truth?
Or are we content with the traditions handed down to us by the generation befor us?
WHEN SUNDAY IS MENTIONED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, ISN'T IT ALWAYS SOMETHING SPECIAL? COULDN'T IT BE INFERRED THAT SUNDAY WAS THE SPECIAL DAY FOR THE APOSTLES?
The first day of the week is mentioned eight times in the New Testament:
MATTHEW 28:1; MARK 16:l-2,9; LUKE 24:l; JOHN 20:1: All are accounts of the resurrection.
Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all wrote their gospels many years after Christ's death, yet every one of them refers to Sunday as simply, “the first day of the week,” nothing more, nothing special.
JOHN 20:19: The disciples were hiding in the upper room behind closed doors in terror of the Jews.
ACTS 20:7-8: The dark part of the first day of the week is Saturday night (see New English Bible)
(MARK l:21,32; LEVITICUS 23:32). The service began on Sabbath and continued into the night. The first day of the week began at sundown. Paul spent most of Sunday, the next day, walking through swampy country from Troas to Assos where he was to catch a ship. “Breaking bread” was done “daily”
(ACTS 2:46) and was not necessarily associated with an assembly for worship. In this case it was most likely a going away supper for Paul.
1CORINTHIANS 16:1-2 “Lay by in store” does not mean, “put in the collection plate at the church.” It means to set aside at home. Some of the modern translations put it in this way. It means that the first act of business in the new week should be to separate a portion for God's service. After God's tithe and offerings are separated then we may continue with our regular business.
The weekly Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament fifty-six times.
Matthew
12:1-8, 10-12
24:20
28:1
Mark
1:21
2:23-28
3:2-4
6:2
15:42
16:1
Luke
4:16,31
6:1-9
13:10-16
14:1-5
23:54,56
John
5:9,10,16,18
7:22,23
19:14,16,31
Acts
13:14,27,42,44
15:21
16:13
18:4
In the eight passages which mention the first day of the week there is no command to keep it; there is no record of its being appointed as a sabbath; no record of any blessing being placed upon it; no record of its being made holy; no record of any sacredness being attached to it; no promise of a blessing for its observance; no threat of punishment for its nonobservance. It is not once given any sacred title. There is no record that Christ kept Sunday or commanded it to be kept. There is no record that the apostles kept it or commanded it to be kept.
9. DID PAUL KEEP THE SABBATH AFTER HIS CONVERSION TO CHRIST?
ACTS 26:11 . . . .
Saul the persecutor always knew where to find the Christians. He persecuted them in every synagogue. And they worshiped in the synagogue on the Sabbath.
ACTS 13:14-16 . . . .
In Antioch Paul worshiped on Sabbath.
ACTS 13:44 . . . . .
The next Sabbath in Antioch Paul preached to the Gentiles, (He didn't tell them to meet him on Sunday) and almost the whole city came to hear him.
ACTS 16:13 . . . . .
In Philippi, where there were no Jews therefore no synagogue, Paul went out by the river to worship on Sabbath.
ACTS 18:4,11 . . . .
In Corinth he "reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath" for a year and a half, or 78 Sabbaths. If Sunday were indeed the new day of worship, doesn't it seem that he could have got that point across before a year and a half?
ACTS 17:2 . . . .
In Thessalonica “Paul, as his custom was, went in (to the synagogue) to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the scriptures.”
10. WHY DOESN'T PAUL STATE SPECIFICALLY THAT THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH? IN FACT DOESN'T PAUL SAY THAT EVERY MAN SHOULD BE PERSUADED IN HIS OWN MIND?
A. Paul and other NT writers exhorted all to read and study the Scriptures which “will make you wise unto salvation.” The only Scriptures available at that time were the Old Testament, which are replete with references to the sacredness of the 7th day Sabbath.
B. The Jews were ready to kill Paul because he declared specifically that circumcision, was no longer necessary (GALATIANS 5:6-15). If Paul had declared that the Sabbath was changed or done away with, would not some account of the furor that would have caused be found in the account of his ministry. The Jews considered Sabbath observance at least as important as circumcision, yet great text is given to the account of the debate over circumcision and nothing is said about a change of the Sabbath.
Paul said, “I have fully preached the gospel of Christ” (ROMANS 15:19). Nothing was left out.
C. It is true that Paul said “Let every man be convinced in his own mind” (ROMANS 14:5). But isn't this the ideal we preach today. Each person must study and decide for himself the truth of the gospel of Christ. No observance, whether prayer or fasting or giving offerings, or Sabbath keeping is valid if the person does not understand the reason for what he is doing.
This statement reflects the change in Paul after the Damascus road. He no longer forced his beliefs on anyone. Even if he knew he was right he said “do not judge your brother.” How different from the Saul who dragged the Christians to Jerusalem in chains.
D. Devout Jews held to the custom of fasting twice a week. Paul was probably referring to this custom, because He mentions eating and not eating along with observing and not observing certain days. The days observed appear to be those days upon which certain men fasted. The context does not mention the 7th day Sabbath (Romans 14:1- 7). Paul appears to have kept the 7th day Sabbath, and there are passages which suggest that he also kept the festivals (1Corinthians 16:8, Acts 20:6, Acts 20:16). ( See also 1Corinthians 5:7-8 where Paul instructs the church regarding the keeping of the Passover.)
11. DIDN'T PAUL DESCRIBE SABBATH KEEPING AS TURNING AGAIN TO WEAK AND BEGGARLY ELEMENTS?
GALATIANS 4:9,10 “But how after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? You observe days and months and seasons and years.”
Bible teachers have differing interpretations of this passage. The Galatians were not Jews. These people had been pagans, and followed the cults of sun worship. Some say that they were now turning back to the things which they had left - worship of heavenly bodies.
Other teachers say that the Galatians who had come to belief in Christ, had been taken in by the circumcision party who were “zealous for the law.” They had themselves circumcised, and began keeping all of the Jewish festivals in order to be saved. Paul was adamant that we are saved by faith in Christ - not by “works of the law.” Keeping the Jewish festivals in order to be saved would be no better than observing pagan astral festivals in order to live forever. Both involved a type of salvation by works, and so would be called “weak and beggarly elements.
The apostle Paul refers to the law in two ways. Paul seems to be for the law and against it at the same time. This is most confusing to some. In Colossians 2:14, “the handwriting of requirements” is “wiped out,” while in Romans 3:31, he explains that justification by faith in Jesus Christ does not overthrow the law but “establishes” it. In Romans 7:6, he states that “now we are discharged from the law,” while a few verses later he writes that “the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good” (7:12). In Romans 10:4, Paul writes that “Christ is the end of the law,” while in 8:3-4, he explains that Christ came “in the likeness of sinful flesh . . . in order that the just requirements of the law might be fulfilled in us.” Paul maintains in Romans 3:28 that “a man is justified by faith apart from works of the law,” yet in 1Corinthians 7:19, he states that “neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God.” In 2Corinthians 3:7 Paul designates the law as “the dispensation of death,” while in Romans 3:2, he views it as part of the “oracles of God” entrusted to the Jews.
How can Paul view the law both as “abolished” and “established”, unnecessary and necessary? The answer is to be found in the context. When Paul speaks of the law in the context of salvation, he clearly states that law-keeping useless. “If justification were through the law, then Christ died to no purpose” (Galatians 2:21). When he speaks of the law in the context of Christian moral conduct, he maintains the value and validity of God’s law. In fact, Christ came, “in order that the just requirements of the law might be fulfilled in us” through the working of His Holy Spirit. While Paul said that the law was “abolished” as a method of earning salvation, he upheld the law as a standard of Christian conduct.
Let me just say that I do not keep the law in order to be saved. I do my best to keep God’s commandments because I believe that I have been saved, and am being saved, through the grace of Christ. This includes the 4th commandment to keep the 7th day Sabbath.
12. BUT AREN'T WE UNDER GRACE NOW? THE LAW AND THE OLD TESTAMENT HAVE BEEN ABOLISHED. Please read the study entitled GRACE AND THE LAW. http://www.aggelia.com/htdocs/grace.shtml
13. THE JERUSALEM COUNCIL DID NOT MENTION SABBATH KEEPING. AS A REQUIREMENT FOR GENTILE BELIEVERS.
“Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
Stealing, murder, disrespect for parents, bearing false witness, and taking God’s name in vain, were not mentioned either. This doesn’t mean those things are acceptable behavior for believers.
The appeal is made to Moses (meaning the first five books of the Bible) who is read in the synagogue every Sabbath. It is assumed that the Gentile believers will be in attendance every Sabbath, to hear such reading. Along with the history of God’s people, they will learn about the 10 Commandments, the prophetic festivals, the health laws, and all the other things relevant to their new relationship with the true God.
Peter admonished the Jerusalem council not to put a “yoke on the neck” of the Gentile converts “which neither our father nor we were able to bear” (Acts 15:10). What was this yoke? If the yoke refers to the 10 Commandments, then we must say that God put a yoke upon His own people which they were not able to bear. If however, the yoke refers to the man made concept of “righteousness by works of the law” then Paul is telling the council not to preach righteousness by works. This agrees completely with Paul.
14. WHAT ABOUT EPHESIANS 2:14?
“For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one (that is Jew and Gentile), and has broken down the middle wall of division between us, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is , the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.”
In Ephesians 2, Paul is speaking about the separation of Jew and Gentile. “You know,” Peter said, “how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation” (Acts 10:28). Now, in Christ, they were to call no man unclean. The laws dictating the separation of Jew and Gentile were abolished.
15. NO ONE IS TO JUDGE ANOTHER REGARDING A SABBATH (COLOSSIANS 2:13-17).
“And you (Gentiles), being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And he has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. . . . Therefore let no one judge you in food (grain offerings) or drink (offerings), or regarding a festival or a new moon, or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.” (See also Hebrews 9:10.)
[NOTE: Food itself was not a symbol “of things to come.” The passage is not addressing dietary laws. The “food” and “drink” refer to the offering of grain and wine, called “meat offering” and “drink offering,” which were made with every animal sacrifice.]
Paul could be understood to say “let no one judge you regarding” (whether or not you keep) “a festival . . . or sabbaths.” On the other hand, he could be understood to say “let no one judge you regarding” (the way in which you keep) “a festival . . . or sabbaths.” The meaning is not absolutely clear. Since Paul himself appears to have kept the festivals, (at least Passover and Pentecost)I believe the second interpretation is the most likely. The Christians partook of bread and wine at Passover, rather than of a sacrificial lamb. They did not bring animals for sacrifice on any festival day. They may not have appeared at the Temple in Jerusalem, at the festival times, believing that Christ now ministered in heaven (the true tabernacle) not made with hands.
What is “the handwriting of requirements that was against us?” Some say that this refers to all of the ceremonial law along with the 7th day Sabbath. A more accurate translation of “handwriting of ordinances” is “the written code.” In context, this handwritten code is wiped out because we are forgiven. I personally believe that the “handwritten code” refers to all of the rules piled upon the Jews by the Pharisees who taught righteousness-by-works. Jesus said, they were “teaching for doctrine the commandments of men” (Matt. 15:9). Paul here says that it is no longer necessary to keep all those commandments of men., because we have been forgiven by faith in Jesus Christ.
The “handwriting of ordinances” was “against us.” Did God give His own people something that was “against them?” I think not! The law given by God was for their benefit. It contained a living prophecy of Messiah to come. The “traditions of men” as Christ called them, were a yoke which they were not able to bear.
16. DOESN’T THE WRITER OF HEBREWS SAY THAT THE LAW HAS BEEN CHANGED?
“For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law” (HEBREWS 7:12).
In place of animal sacrifices we now have Christ - “the Lamb of God” (Hebrews 10:4, 9-10). In place of the Levitical priesthood we now have Christ our High Priest, who ministers in heaven - the true tabernacle (Hebrews 8:1-2). The new covenant has made the old covenant “obsolete” (Hebrews 8:13, 10:9). Three things are specifically said to be changed in religious practice - the sacrifice, the priesthood, and the Temple. Nowhere does the text say that the Ten Commandments were changed or abolished.
The law which was changed, was “received” on the basis of the Levitical priesthood (Hebrews 7:11). The 7th day was “hallowed” at creation, long before a Levitical priesthood existed. In fact, the Ten Commandments were spoken from Mt. Sinai before the Levites were appointed as the priesthood (Exodus 20). The law which was changed concerned those sacrifices which were carried out in association with the Sanctuary (or Temple). No priesthood is necessary in order to keep the 7th day holy.
17. OUR CHURCH HAS THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND I HAVE THE SPIRIT TO GUIDE ME. HE WOULD NOT LEAD ME WRONG.
JOHN 16:13 . . . .
“when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth.”
JOHN 17:17 . . . .
“Thy word is truth.”
PSALM ll9:142 . . . . .
“Thy Law is truth.”
JOHN 14:26 . . . . .
(the Holy Spirit) “He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
The Holy Spirit will not teach anything that Christ did not teach, or did not say.
1 JOHN 4:l . . . .
“Believe not every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”
ISAIAH 8:20
“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”
DANIEL 7:25
The antichrist power will “think to change time and law.” The only commandment that involves time is the Sabbath commandment.
2 CORINTHIANS ll:14
“Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”
18. HASN'T THE CALENDAR BEEN CHANGED SO MANY TIMES THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL WHICH DAY IS THE SEVENTH DAY?
Modern astronomers will tell you very quickly that no time has been lost in the last 3000 years, at the very least.
The manna fell for forty years. It fell on the six days of the week and did not fall on the Sabbath, thus reestablishing the weekly cycle (EX 16). There was no question in Christ's mind as to which day was the seventh, and no days have been lost since the time of Christ.
One calendar change which is frequently questioned was the Gregorian Calendar, accepted in l752. It skipped 11 days, from Sept 2 thru Sept 14, but it did not break the order of the days. Sept 2 was a Wed. and Sept 14 a Thursday.
19. SO LONG AS I KEEP NINE OUT OF THE TEN ISN'T THAT ENOUGH?
JAMES 2:10 “For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.”
LUKE 13:3 Speaking of sinners both great and small. “Except you repent, you shall all likewise perish.”
If we know that something is right but we resist it, then we are really resisting God, and Christ Jesus. This is the spirit of sin, selfishness, and rebellion. God cannot take this spirit into His kingdom.
If we are careless with the Sabbath, we are really saying to others that this commandment isn't important. We are acting as if God just made up something to irritate us and to be a burden. We are implying that God is arbitrary, which is just what Lucifer said in the beginning. To be careless with the Sabbath and thereby encourage others to be so, is to impugn the character of God. This makes it a very serious, in fact the worst of sins.
In Eden there were two trees. In earth's last days there are two days. We must choose whom we will serve. God has said that the Sabbath is a sign between Himself and His people.
The Sabbath commandment gives the Title of the Ruler, The Territory over which he rules, and the Name of the Ruler: The Lord your God, Creator of the heavens and the earth. These are the elements needed to create an ancient “seal.” The remnant of Revelation 7, who have the “seal of God," are also described in Revelation 12:17 as keeping the commandments of God. The 4th commandment was never excluded.
HOW TO KEEP THE SABBATH HOLY
LEVITICUS 23:32 The Sabbath begins at sunset on Friday.
MARK 16:1,2 The Sabbath is over when the first day of the week beings at sunset on Saturday.
EXODUS 20:8-11 Refrain from work. Even in harvest time and planting time, refrain from work. (EXODUS 34:21)
ISAIAH 58:13 Refrain from doing your own pleasure, that is secular entertainment, or activities which would call the mind away from spiritual things. On the Sabbath we renew our relationship with our God, and with fellow believers.
NEHEMIAH 13:15-21 Refrain from buying and selling on the Sabbath.
LUKE 4:16 Worship with others.
MATTHEW 12:9-14 Do works of mercy, relieving pain and suffering.
LUKE 4:16 Worship with others.
MATTHEW 12:9-14 Do works of mercy, relieving pain and suffering.
LUKE 4:31 Share with others a knowledge of God.
LUKE 14:l Enjoy Christian fellowship for the purpose of discussing spiritual things and for praying together.
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COLOSSIANS 2: Handwriting of ordinances
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Colo 2:8 (KJV) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Messiah.
This is what the remaining section of Colossians chapter 2 is all about. This theme remains constant throughout but men have tried to change it to Yahweh's commandments rather than the commandments and traditions of men.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of our Mighty One (Godhead) bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
So we need none other doctrines because we are complete in Yahushua who is the head of all. We are complete in Him. We don't need anything that men might invent.
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Messiah
In Yahushua, we are circumcised in the heart by His blood covering our sins thereby separating us from our sins.
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of Yahweh, who hath raised him from the dead.
We buried the old man and we are now a new creation so we shouldn't be going back to any old traditions and philosophies
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his tree (cross);
When we are forgiven of our sins, those old traditions, doctrines and ordinances of men which are AGAINST us are taken out of the way. They have no power over us any longer if we are in Yahushua. Do these ordinances have power over men who are without Yahushua? Yes they do! They enslave men to sin!
Roma 6:16 (NKJV) Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin [leading] to death, or of obedience [leading] to righteousness? 17 But Yahweh be thanked that [though] you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.
Colo 1:13 (NKJV) He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed [us] into the kingdom of the Son of His love,
Therefore, the power that these ordinances had over us was nailed to the tree along with our sins for when we are forgiven for our sins, we are also set free from their hold on us. Anyone who has repented and accepted Yahushua after a lifetime of sin can attest to this fact!!
But now the question is asked: "What ordinances of men?" Paul will expand on this in verses 18 and 21 but for now lets go to the next verse..
15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
He overcame and disarmed the spirits of darkness, the evil angels. He triumphed over Satan and all his powers. He Put them to an open shame by triumphing over them in his resurrection and ascension. Now if verse 14 was speaking of Yahweh's commandments then why in the next verse is it talking about disarming Satan? Yahweh is the author of the true commandments. Satan is the author of the Pagan commandments that Paul is speaking of here.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Messiah
Notice that these things ARE a shadow of things to come. Not WERE a shadow but ARE a shadow. We will be keeping these things in Yahweh's kingdom. (See Zech. 14, Isa 66) In this scripture, the words in parentheses are added by the translator. This is because the translator did not understand or had a biased opinion about what the greek text meant. Here is how this should read:
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath
17 which are a shadow of things to come; but the body of Messiah
Of all the modern translations, only a few such as the King James Version translate the word "Body" in verse 17 correctly. The NIV totally butchers this verse.
The word "body" in verse 17 does mean "body". It is Strong's #4983. Look it up and see for yourself.
In the KJV, this Greek word is translated:
"body" 144 times
"bodily" 1 time in 2cor. 10:10
"slave" one time in Rev. 18:3.
In fact, this same Greek word is translated "body" only two verses later! Now, keeping that in mind this verse should read :
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, drink, etc (which are a shadow of things to come) BUT THE BODY OF MESSIAH!
In other words, we should let only the body of the Messiah judge us! Can we as brethren in Messiah judge each other? Certainly!
1Cor 5:11 (NKJV) But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person. 12 For what [have] I [to] [do] with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside Yahweh judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."
Does a man not pass a judgment on his brother when he sees his brother in sin? Of course! But when this is the case, we must restore this man in gentleness:
Gala 6:1 (NKJV) Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who [are] spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted.
Jame 5:19 (NKJV) Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins
Don't let these pagans judge us in these things. This indicates that the Gentiles in Colosse were keeping Yahweh's commandments as they should. Please consult any greek new testament to verify that what I am saying is true! "Body of Messiah"
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body <#4983>by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of Yahweh.
Verse 18 is a mirror of verse 8. This scripture further proves that Paul is not talking about taking away Yahweh's commandments in verse 16 but rather the commandments of men such as worshipping of angels...and here we are talking about the BODY of Messiah again! This is consistent with what we talked about above in verse 17 and why it should be translated "body". A variation of this word ("soma") is "somatikos" (which is Strong's #4985). This word is also translated "bodily" in verse 9 above. Therefore, verses 18 and 19 are a mirror of verses 8 and 9 above. This shows us that the context of what Paul was saying in verse 8 and 9 has not changed. Therefore, these verses are good summary: Stand fast in Yahweh's commandments and shun the commandments and doctrines of men.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Messiah from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances--
Remember back in verse 14 when we asked, "What ordinances of men?" These are among the ordinances that were blotted out:
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Again, these are the ordinances of men that were blotted out. Taken out of the way. They are all commandments and doctrines of men. Not Yahweh's commandments. To further prove this point, let us look at the Greek words that are translated "ordinances"
In verse 14 the Greek word that is translated "ordinances" is the Greek word "Dogma" which means "ordinances"
In verse 21 the Greek word that is translated "be subject to ordinances" is "Dogmatizo" which means "be subject to ordinances".
The root word (Dogma, Ordinance) remains constant. The only difference is in the phrase.
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
3:1 If ye then be risen with Messiah, seek those things which are above, where Messiah sitteth on the right hand of Yahweh.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Messiah in Yahweh.
So in conclusion, Paul is saying that we should beware lest any man spoil us through these commandments, philosophies and doctrines of men. For Yahushua took them out of the way and nailed them to the tree thereby forgiving us for accepting them. Because of this we should let no man judge us for keeping Yahweh's commandments unless they are a part of the body of the Messiah. Therefore we should hold fast to the Head of that body, namely Yahushua from whom we are nourished and do not subject ourselves to pagan ordinances. For even though these have an appearance of wisdom, they are of no value. So we should set our minds on things above, not on the things of the world.
If Christ is the Head then what might be his Body?
Barry does your dogma ever bite your karma or is it your karma that bites your dogma?
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Good post yahsway:
Brother wildb needs to study more on History and the Bible:
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What Constantine set free by edict, papal authority would undo by terror, tyranny and eventually an inquisition that would last for 600 years(1233 A.D. - 1820 A.D.)
For 900 years that we refer to as the Dark Ages (600 A.D. - 1500 A.D.) and the Middle Ages(800 A.D. - 1500 A.D.), the Church at Roam ruled Western Europe. The technique to sustain its power was simple: Control peoples minds by controlling their education, and control their education by controlling their language.
One empire, many languages, but only Latin was allowed for commerce, education and religious instruction. And only in Latin were scholars allowed to communicate.
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COLOSSIANS 2: Handwriting of ordinances
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Colo 2:8 (KJV) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Messiah.
This is what the remaining section of Colossians chapter 2 is all about. This theme remains constant throughout but men have tried to change it to Yahweh's commandments rather than the commandments and traditions of men.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of our Mighty One (Godhead) bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
So we need none other doctrines because we are complete in Yahushua who is the head of all. We are complete in Him. We don't need anything that men might invent.
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Messiah
In Yahushua, we are circumcised in the heart by His blood covering our sins thereby separating us from our sins.
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of Yahweh, who hath raised him from the dead.
We buried the old man and we are now a new creation so we shouldn't be going back to any old traditions and philosophies
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his tree (cross);
When we are forgiven of our sins, those old traditions, doctrines and ordinances of men which are AGAINST us are taken out of the way. They have no power over us any longer if we are in Yahushua. Do these ordinances have power over men who are without Yahushua? Yes they do! They enslave men to sin!
Roma 6:16 (NKJV) Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin [leading] to death, or of obedience [leading] to righteousness? 17 But Yahweh be thanked that [though] you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.
Colo 1:13 (NKJV) He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed [us] into the kingdom of the Son of His love,
Therefore, the power that these ordinances had over us was nailed to the tree along with our sins for when we are forgiven for our sins, we are also set free from their hold on us. Anyone who has repented and accepted Yahushua after a lifetime of sin can attest to this fact!!
But now the question is asked: "What ordinances of men?" Paul will expand on this in verses 18 and 21 but for now lets go to the next verse..
15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
He overcame and disarmed the spirits of darkness, the evil angels. He triumphed over Satan and all his powers. He Put them to an open shame by triumphing over them in his resurrection and ascension. Now if verse 14 was speaking of Yahweh's commandments then why in the next verse is it talking about disarming Satan? Yahweh is the author of the true commandments. Satan is the author of the Pagan commandments that Paul is speaking of here.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Messiah
Notice that these things ARE a shadow of things to come. Not WERE a shadow but ARE a shadow. We will be keeping these things in Yahweh's kingdom. (See Zech. 14, Isa 66) In this scripture, the words in parentheses are added by the translator. This is because the translator did not understand or had a biased opinion about what the greek text meant. Here is how this should read:
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath
17 which are a shadow of things to come; but the body of Messiah
Of all the modern translations, only a few such as the King James Version translate the word "Body" in verse 17 correctly. The NIV totally butchers this verse.
The word "body" in verse 17 does mean "body". It is Strong's #4983. Look it up and see for yourself.
In the KJV, this Greek word is translated:
"body" 144 times
"bodily" 1 time in 2cor. 10:10
"slave" one time in Rev. 18:3.
In fact, this same Greek word is translated "body" only two verses later! Now, keeping that in mind this verse should read :
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, drink, etc (which are a shadow of things to come) BUT THE BODY OF MESSIAH!
In other words, we should let only the body of the Messiah judge us! Can we as brethren in Messiah judge each other? Certainly!
1Cor 5:11 (NKJV) But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person. 12 For what [have] I [to] [do] with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside Yahweh judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."
Does a man not pass a judgment on his brother when he sees his brother in sin? Of course! But when this is the case, we must restore this man in gentleness:
Gala 6:1 (NKJV) Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who [are] spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted.
Jame 5:19 (NKJV) Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins
Don't let these pagans judge us in these things. This indicates that the Gentiles in Colosse were keeping Yahweh's commandments as they should. Please consult any greek new testament to verify that what I am saying is true! "Body of Messiah"
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body <#4983>by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of Yahweh.
Verse 18 is a mirror of verse 8. This scripture further proves that Paul is not talking about taking away Yahweh's commandments in verse 16 but rather the commandments of men such as worshipping of angels...and here we are talking about the BODY of Messiah again! This is consistent with what we talked about above in verse 17 and why it should be translated "body". A variation of this word ("soma") is "somatikos" (which is Strong's #4985). This word is also translated "bodily" in verse 9 above. Therefore, verses 18 and 19 are a mirror of verses 8 and 9 above. This shows us that the context of what Paul was saying in verse 8 and 9 has not changed. Therefore, these verses are good summary: Stand fast in Yahweh's commandments and shun the commandments and doctrines of men.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Messiah from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances--
Remember back in verse 14 when we asked, "What ordinances of men?" These are among the ordinances that were blotted out:
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Again, these are the ordinances of men that were blotted out. Taken out of the way. They are all commandments and doctrines of men. Not Yahweh's commandments. To further prove this point, let us look at the Greek words that are translated "ordinances"
In verse 14 the Greek word that is translated "ordinances" is the Greek word "Dogma" which means "ordinances"
In verse 21 the Greek word that is translated "be subject to ordinances" is "Dogmatizo" which means "be subject to ordinances".
The root word (Dogma, Ordinance) remains constant. The only difference is in the phrase.
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
3:1 If ye then be risen with Messiah, seek those things which are above, where Messiah sitteth on the right hand of Yahweh.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Messiah in Yahweh.
So in conclusion, Paul is saying that we should beware lest any man spoil us through these commandments, philosophies and doctrines of men. For Yahushua took them out of the way and nailed them to the tree thereby forgiving us for accepting them. Because of this we should let no man judge us for keeping Yahweh's commandments unless they are a part of the body of the Messiah. Therefore we should hold fast to the Head of that body, namely Yahushua from whom we are nourished and do not subject ourselves to pagan ordinances. For even though these have an appearance of wisdom, they are of no value. So we should set our minds on things above, not on the things of the world.
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wildb you either do not read what i post, or your dull of seeing and hearing...
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Good post yahsway:
Brother wildb needs to study more on History and the Bible:
barry
Said the one shadow talker to the other shadow talker.
You two are starting to build a history on the board that aint to Biblical.
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Good post yahsway:
Brother wildb needs to study more on History and the Bible:
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I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, Blessed be His Name, rewards those who keep His commandments and punishes those that transgress
-Maimonides
Please define your "perfect faith" as u know it?
My Heavenly Father corrects Me. Punishment is for Law breakers.
Hebrews, Chapter 12
006: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
007: If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
008: But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
009: Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
010: For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
011: Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
My Christ will reward me not on MY PERFECT FAITH religion but on what I build upon His PERFECT FAITHFULNESS .
1 Corinthians, Chapter 3
011: For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
012: Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
013: Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
014: If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
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The word Sabbat is from 6 pm Friday to 6pm Saturday. The definition of the Sabbat inheritently for the Jews. It is honoring God for his Creation. It will always be 6pm to 6pm beginning on Friday evenings. Sunday is the celebration of the resurrection. Now remember Jewish time is year 5771 now and gregorian is 2010. In Ladino Sabbat is sa'bado and Sunday is called El Aihid in Ladino meaning first day. Please do not get discourage my Christian Brethern. Jesus did not abandon the definition of the sabbat when He resurrected. He actually fulfilled it. I go to church on Sunday or Saturday because my church does both days. Remember when two or more are gathered in his Name Jesus is in the midst. We then celebrate Jesus. If the government forbids celebrating Jesus altogether what are you as an individual going to do? www.heartland.cc .
There is an important item that seperates believers of Jesus the Christ from the Jewish Religion and that is Christians whether we are Gentile or Jew believe the first coming of the Messiah occured some 2,000 years ago and the second coming of the Messiah is yet to come. Now personally I believe in the rapture. Paul the Apostle stated this to the Thessalonians believers. The dead in Christ rise first then those who remain both a caught up in the air to meet the Christ who is Jesus. Allot of Jews today are agnostic at best and some atheistic. The god (idol) is its geneology of the past. The strength of the family. Do not group all Jews in the same boat. There are those who believe in Jesus the Christ and those who are still waiting for their Messiah to come.
Maimonides' 13 principles of faith
13 Principles of Faith:
I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, Blessed be His Name, is the Creator and Guide of everything that has been created; He alone has made, does make, and will make all things.
I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, Blessed be His Name, is One, and that there is no unity in any manner like His, and that He alone is our God, who was, and is, and will be.
I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, Blessed be His Name, has no body, and that He is free from all the properties of matter, and that there can be no (physical) comparison to Him whatsoever.
I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, Blessed be His Name, is the first and the last.
I believe with perfect faith that to the Creator, Blessed be His Name, and to Him alone, it is right to pray, and that it is not right to pray to any being besides Him.
I believe with perfect faith that all the words of the prophets are true.
I believe with perfect faith that the prophecy of Moses our teacher, peace be upon him, was true, and that he was the chief of the prophets, both those who preceded him and those who followed him.
I believe with perfect faith that the entire Torah that is now in our possession is the same that was given to Moses our teacher, peace be upon him.
I believe with perfect faith that this Torah will not be exchanged, and that there will never be any other Torah from the Creator, Blessed be His Name.
I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, Blessed be His Name, knows all the deeds of human beings and all their thoughts, as it is written, "Who fashioned the hearts of them all, Who comprehends all their actions" (Psalms 33:15).
I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, Blessed be His Name, rewards those who keep His commandments and punishes those that transgress them.
I believe with perfect faith in the coming of the Messiah; and even though he may tarry, nonetheless, I wait every day for his coming.
I believe with perfect faith that there will be a revival of the dead at the time when it shall please the Creator, Blessed be His name, and His mention shall be exalted for ever and ever.
-Maimonides
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Again, like i have been saying, everyday is good to worship God, but it does not change the Fact that God Himself instituted a Day called the Sabbath or in the scripture called the 7th day and He said it would be forever. What part of Forever is hard to understand?
Are we shadow talking again? Please learn how to embrace the substance.
If it is forever like you say God says. Where was it before creation and where will it be after the New Heaven and earth???
Forever \For*ev"er\ (f[o^]r*[e^]v"[~e]r), adv. [For, prep. + ever.]
1. Through eternity; through endless ages; eternally. [1913 Webster]
2. At all times; always. [1913 Webster]
Dear Father,
Let the shadow talkers learn to embrace substance.
In Jesus Name,
Amen.
Therefore let no one pass judgement on you in questions of food or drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. [Col. 2:16-17]
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And for all those who might be interested, I am NOT a 7th day Adventist. There are many believers besides those who still hold the Sabbath day as Saturday, mostly all your believing Jews. Just because a Jew comes to saving grace in Messiah Yeshua, does not abrogate any of the Laws of God.
They remain Jewish,zealous for the law just like they did in the 1st century. Read Acts. The church worships on Sunday out of tradition period. no where in the scriptures are we told that Sunday is the sabbath day, only that it is the 1st day of the week. And if you have read any of my post, i never said it was wrong to worship on Sunday. I said Sunday worship does not change the fact that the 7th day is still the Sabbath.
Grace is not a license to change anything that God has put in place. His Feast days are not only shadows of things that were but are also shadows of things that YET will be.
Its simply a greek mindset verses a hebrew mindset.
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WildB, you admit that the Sabbath was changed early on, Who changed it, who had that Authority to do so?
Again, like i have been saying, everyday is good to worship God, but it does not change the Fact that God Himself instituted a Day called the Sabbath or in the scripture called the 7th day and He said it would be forever. What part of Forever is hard to understand?
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Amen!! WildB
Let us pray for God to give our Brothers in Christ freedom to worship God in Spirit and in Truth.
God bless you today.
I am off to walk the dog. have a blessed day.
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Dear Father,
Let the shadow talkers learn to embrace substance.
In Jesus Name,
Amen.
Therefore let no one pass judgement on you in questions of food or drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. [Col. 2:16-17]
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I pray everyone here take a look at Wildb's post and go google all those men he has on here and read about them. Some of our earliest church Fathers. Hmmm Very interesting indeed!
I knew some of it, but now I know why i do not follow the edicts of the Catholic church. my oh my.
It is very clear to all that your hodge podge-ing of scripture is in great error and just another false opinion.
I suggest you Learn to Rightfully divide the Word according to the Mystery that Paul was commissioned by Christ to proclaim.
Its so easy just Google "Mystery" in the KJV.
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Try to understand the Dispensation of Grace as it matters to the Body of Christ.
This next read reminds me of the ism you forward.
The Sabbath or the Lord's Day
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread,...
Acts 20:7
There is an 80-page booklet entitled "What's Behind The New World Order?" It admits to be a collection of excerpts from the book, Will America Survive?, which was originally published 100 years ago under the title, The Great Controversy. This book was written by E.G. White, foundress of the Seventh Day Adventists.
It claims that the Catholic Church is behind the New World Order. The booklet claims that this is true, since the Church is the beast of Revelation (Rev 17). It accuses the Church of many evil things and attempts to prove that the Church is the beast by exposing the "marks of the beast." Due to limited space only one charge will be considered here.
According to the booklet, one "mark of the beast" is not observing the Sabbath on Saturday. It is alleged that in the fourth century the Church and Emperor Constantine replaced the Sabbath with the pagan "DAY OF THE SUN", i.e. Sunday. Now it is true that the Old Testament says the "seventh day" but assigning that to Saturday is Hebrew tradition. As Christians, we must consider this in the light of the New Testament and the teachings of Christ. If this is a "mark of the beast", almost all Christian churches today bear the mark too.
It is ironic that Jesus and His disciples were harassed by the Pharisees over the Sabbath (John 5:18). Jesus spoke out against the Pharisee's merciless observance of the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; Luke 13:10-16). Jesus also defended Himself and His disciples on this issue by saying:
"The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath; so the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath." [Mark 2:27-28; RSV].
and claiming authority over it.
It is true that the Catholic Church through the authority of Christ replaced the Hebrew Sabbath (Saturday) with the Lord's Day (Sunday); however, this occurred very early - well before the time of Emperor Constantine in the fourth century. For Christians two important events happened on Sunday. First, the Resurrection of Christ occurred on Easter Sunday (John 20:1ff). Secondly, the Holy Spirit descended upon the Church on Pentecost Sunday (Acts 2:1ff). Also after His Resurrection, Jesus appeared to the Apostles twice, each on Sunday (John 20:19 & 26). As a result, Sunday became known as the Lord's Day for Christians.
The booklet claims that there is no evidence in the Bible for the shift to Sunday. However in the fourth century, St. John Chrysostom cited Acts 20:7 as testimony. According to this verse in the Bible, at least some of the disciples assembled together on Sunday, the first day of the week, to celebrate the Lord’s Supper:
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them... [Acts 20:7]
It is interesting to note that St. Paul had spent a week with the community in Troas (Acts 20:6), and this is the only reported time that he celebrated the "breaking of bread" with them. Also no remarks are made later in this passage that St. Paul disapproved of their worship on Sunday. One would expect St. Paul to object to this practice, if it were rooted in paganism.
Already in the Old Testament, God expresses disappointment over the Hebrew Sabbath (Isa. 1:13ff) In the New Testament, St. Paul writes:
Therefore let no one pass judgement on you in questions of food or drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. [Col. 2:16-17]
According to these verses, the Hebrew diet, festivals and Sabbaths are no longer obligations for Christians. These were only a foreshadowing of things to come in Christ. The focus now is Christ (2 Cor. 3:7-17). Elsewhere St. Paul told the Corinthians to contribute money to the Church each Sunday (1 Cor 16:1-2). This would be a strange request, if Christians assembled on Saturdays. Hebrews 4:8 speaks of "another day" because the former Sabbath was not obeyed. If Saturday were truly "craved in stone", then it would be strange to speak of another day. According to Rev. 1:10, St. John "was in the Spirit on the Lord's day." This is the only place in the Bible where the phrase "the Lord’s day" occurs. If his vision occurred on Saturday, St. John would have written "the Sabbath" instead of using a new phrase. Even though the disciples may have attended the synagogues on the Sabbath to evangelize (Acts 18:4), there is already a definite transition from the Sabbath to the Lord's Day in the New Testament.
The early Christian writers also bear witness to the observance of the Lord's Day (Sunday) over the Hebrew Sabbath (Saturday). The booklet attempts to discredit the historical writings of Eusebius in the fourth century by claiming collusion with Emperor Constantine; however, we have no need to rely on Eusebius. We can directly cite the writings of Christians who lived in the first century - centuries before Eusebius or Constantine. Even though these writings do not have the same authority as the Bible, they are still reliable historical sources - preserving the thoughts, beliefs and lifestyle of Christians during the first century. These writings include the Didache (a church manual written by the Apostles during the 1st century), the Epistle of Barnabas (c. 100 A.D.) and the letters of St. Ignatius of Antioch who was martyred in Rome before 110 A.D. Translations of these classic Christian writings can be found at the local public or university library. The following quotes were cited from Early Christian Writings (Penguin Classics, 1987). According to the Didache, the Apostles wrote:
Assemble on the Lord's Day, and break bread and offer the Eucharist; but first make confession of your faults, so that your sacrifice may be a pure one. [The Didache 14:1]
This passage is very similar to Acts 20:7. Also note the connection between the breaking of bread and the Eucharist (cf. Acts 2:42; 1 Cor 10:16; 11:23ff). St. Barnabas in his epistle devotes a whole chapter on the issue of the Sabbath. He concluded by writing:
And we too rejoice in celebrating the eighth day; because that was when Jesus rose from the dead... [Epistle of Barnabas 15]
St. Barnabas in using the phrase "the eighth day" was referring to Sunday. Perhaps the most powerful statement was made by St. Ignatius of Antioch. Before 110 A.D., St. Ignatius wrote to the Magnesians:
We have seen how former adherents of the ancient customs have since attained to a new hope; so that they have given up keeping the Sabbath, and now order their lives by the Lord's Day instead - the Day when life first dawned for us, thanks to Him (Jesus) and His death. [Epistle to the Magnesians 9]
This passage indicates that early Christian converts from Judaism began to observe the Lord's Day in honor of Christ's Resurrection. From their writings it is clear that Christians already during the first century were observing the Lord's Day on Sunday.
The booklet states that the observance of Sunday was mandated by Emperor Constantine in 321 A.D. (referring indirectly to the Edict of Laodicea). It claims that this mandate was forced upon the people; however, that statement is not exactly true. Perhaps this edict was imposed upon pagan business men who thought everyday should be a working day and perhaps those who thought Christians must observe the entire Law of Moses, including circumcision (Gal. 5:6-12; 6:12-16; 1 Cor. 7:18-19). This Edict only made Sunday a civil holiday. By doing so it secularized a practice that was already observed for centuries by Christians. As shown above, this ancient practice is witnessed by the Bible and in the writings of the Apostles, St. Barnabas (c. 100 A.D.), St. Ignatius (107 A.D.), also St. Justin Martyr (c.150 A.D.) and St. Irenaeus (155-202 A.D.).
God in His wisdom knows that we need to set one day a week special to Him. Otherwise we would become so busy with our daily work that we may forget about Him and lose our Faith. Now the essential point of the Third Commandment is that we set one day a week holy to the Lord. But specifically observing Saturday as this day is only ceremonial. As baptism replaced circumcision (Col 2:11-12) for Christians, so does Sunday replace Saturday. Observance of the Lord's Day is not a "mark of the beast" but the mark of being Christian.
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I pray everyone here take a look at Wildb's post and go google all those men he has on here and read about them. Some of our earliest church Fathers. Hmmm Very interesting indeed!
I knew some of it, but now I know why i do not follow the edicts of the Catholic church. my oh my.
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Okay, here was Jesus's warning to His diciples about what would happen some 40 years after He died on the cross, was resurrected and then ascended to heaven.
In Matt 24:
Verse 3 The disciples ask Jesus, what will be the sign of your coming? and Jesus goes on to answer
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verse 20 is the most significant clue as to the Sabbath day. Remember Jesus is talking with His disciples. verse 20 says:
"And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath"
Now, of course Jesus knew that the Temple would be destroyed in 70 AD, this was His warning to His disciples.
And being Lord of the Sabbath Day, He also knew that the 7th day Sabbath would still be in observance by His disciples after He left.
Of course we know from history that this did happen and some 1,000,000 Jews were killed according to the historian Josephus.
If Jesus, being Lord of the Sabbath day, because He is, He was there at creation, why would He have to warn His disciples to pray that their flight from the city may not be in winter or on the Sabbath day if they were all following Sunday observance?
Now look at Is.64:22 This is for the future, when the New heavens and new Earth are made, Look what the Lord God says here:
verse 23: "And it shall come to pass that from one New Moon to another(these are the 7 Festivals) and from one Sabbath to another, ALL flesh shall come to worship before ME," says the Lord.
This will be in the future. Did God change His Sabbath Day here? I dont think so.
My point is this. People may go to Church on Sunday and that's great! We should assemble ourselves together as the Lord has said. But the Sabbath day created long ago, being the 7th day according to Scripture is still the Sabbath Day.
No man can Change that fact. No man has the right to. God instituted it, blessed it and He called it holy, a set-apart day. Jesus never told His disciples that it was any other day, even though He was raised up from the dead on the 1st day of the week.
And by the way, that 1st day He was raised up on was a Feast Day known as the Day of First Fruits that the Jews celebrated.
The only reason most believers gather on Sunday is because of our tradition. It was proclaimed to be the National Day of worship by Constantine.
If one studies the history and time periods up until Constantine made Sunday the edict, they will find that most all believers still observed the Saturday 7th day observance.
Even Polycarp, who was one of the heads of the Church at Ephesus talked about in Revelation was against it, and was also against changing the Passover that they still observed. The council under Constantine changed the Passover to Easter which did not set well with Polycarp or the church at Ephesus.
Now many will say, well the Sabbath Day and the Feast days are for the Jew only and not the Gentiles. If that is so, and if the Sabbath is only for Hebrews and not Gentiles, then why would Gentiles be punished for not observing the Feast of Tabernacles after Jesus returns, cited in Zach.
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Zach 14:16 "And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of ALL the Nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to Keep the Feast of Tabernacles."
Also we must keep in mind that the Gospel was not even preached to the Gentiles until some 40-60 years after Jesus's resurrection. Even Peter, who walked with Jesus, seeing the sheet of unclean beasts come down from heaven in a vision, said he would not kill and eat because those were unclean. So he was still keeping a Kosher diet some 40-60 years after Jesus's resurrection.
Of course that vision was not about food but about mankind. It was about taking the gospel to the Gentiles.
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Barry how is it you not being a Jew, would compel others to be Jews?
And how is it you being a professing Christian would continue to make shipwreck the faith of others ?
I count you not as an enemy, but admonish you as a brother to stop forwarding cult doctrine.
i will study your material before i answer sir, and appreciate your time in presenting the materials.
Thankyou Brother Bill (wildb):
Brother Drew if i understand what your double post means (same post again in bold), look closer at my materials; this i will do for i truly value your heart and posts.
If i understand you Brother Drew your stating:
1) Sabbath was always Friday eve to Saturday eve;
2) Even tho some have changed it to Sunday, it never was and never will be;
3) You believe at the cross the Sabbath is fulfilled and as we are born again in Yahushua, recieving His Spirit we have (Heb 4) Entered into a Eternal rest, which fulfills the Sabbath.
If this is so ; is this how also you see the "LAW" Torah?
Is that how in a "nut" shell you see the Sabbath Brother Drew? And perhaps the 10 commandments?
Just seeking simple clarification my Brother.
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Barry how is it you not being a Jew, would compel others to be Jews?
And how is it you being a professing Christian would continue to make shipwreck the faith of others ?
I count you not as an enemy, but admonish you as a brother to stop forwarding cult doctrine.
What day did early Christians worship on?
Let them speak for themselves.
90AD DIDACHE: But every Lord's day, do ye gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord... [Matt. 5:23-24] (The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, , Chap. 14:1, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. 7, page 381)
90AD DIDACHE: And on the day of our Lord's resurrection, which is the Lord's day, meet more diligently, sending praise to God that made the universe by Jesus, and sent Him to us, and condescended to let Him suffer, and raised Him from the dead. Otherwise what apology will he make to God who does not assemble on that day to hear the saving word concerning the resurrection...? (Constitutions of the Holy Apostles, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. 7, pg. 423)
90AD DIDACHE: And how can he be other than an adversary to God, who takes pains about temporary things night and day, but takes no care of things eternal? Who takes care of washings and temporary food every day, but does not take care of those that endure forever? How can such a one even now avoid hearing that word of the Lord, "The Gentiles are justified more than you" as He says, by way of reproach, to Jerusalem, "Sodom is justified rather than thou." For if the Gentiles every day, when they arise from sleep, run to their idols to worship them, and before all their work and all their labors do first of all pray to them, and in their feasts and in their solemnities do not keep away, but attend upon them; and not only those upon the place, but those living far distant do the same; and in their public shows all come together, as into a synagogue: in the same manner those which are vainly called Jews, when they have worked six days, on the seventh day rest, and come together in their synagogue, never leaving or neglecting either rest from labor or assembling together... If, therefore, those who are not saved frequently assemble together for such purposes as do not profit them, what apology wilt thou make to the Lord God who forsakes his Church, not imitating so much as the heathen, but by such, thy absence grows slothful, or turns apostate. or acts wickedness? To whom the Lord says to Jeremiah, "Ye have not kept My ordinances; nay, you have not walked according to the ordinance of the heathen and you have in a manner exceeded them... How, therefore, will any one make his apology who has despised or absented himself from the church of God? (Constitutions of the Holy Apostles, 100's AD? [date uncertain], Ante-Nicene Fathers , Vol. 7, page 423)
90AD DIDACHE: ...every Lord's day, hold your solemn assemblies, and rejoice: for he will be guilty of sin who fasts on the Lord's day, being the day of the resurrection... (Constitutions of the Holy Apostles, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. 7, pg. 449)
90AD DIDACHE: On the day of the resurrection of the Lord, that is, the Lord's day, assemble yourselves together, without fail, giving thanks to God, and praising Him for those mercies God has bestowed upon you through Christ, and has delivered you from ignorance, error, and bondage, that your sacrifice may be unspotted, and acceptable to God, who has said concerning His universal Church: "In every place shall incense and a pure sacrifice be offered unto me; for I am a great King, saith the Lord Almighty, and my name is wonderful among the heathen, [Malachi 1:11, 14] (Constitutions of the Holy Apostles, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. 7, pg. 471)
110AD IGNATIUS: Be not deceived with strange doctrines, nor with old fables, which are unprofitable. For if we still live according to the Jewish law, we acknowledge that we have not received grace... If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death (which some deny), through which mystery we received faith, and on account of which we suffer in order that we may be found disciples of Jesus Christ our only teacher, how shall we be able to live apart from him for whom even the prophets were looking as their teacher since they were his disciples in the spirit?... let every friend of Christ keep the Lord's Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen and chief of all the days of the week. It is absurd to speak of Jesus Christ with the tongue, and to cherish in the mind a Judaism which has now come to an end. for where there is Christianity there cannot be Judaism.... These things I address to you, my beloved, not that I know any of you to be in such a state; but, as less than any of you, I desire to guard you beforehand, that ye fall not upon the hooks of vain doctrine, but that you may rather attain to a full assurance in Christ... (Ignatius, Epistle to the Magnesians, chp 9. Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, pg. 62-63.)
130AD BARNABAS: Moreover God says to the Jews, 'Your new moons and Sabbaths 1 cannot endure.' You see how he says, 'The present Sabbaths are not acceptable to me, but the Sabbath which I have made in which, when I have rested from all things, I will make the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another world.' Wherefore we Christians keep the eighth day for joy, on which also Jesus arose from the dead and when he appeared ascended into heaven. (15:8f, The Epistle of Barnabas, 100 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, pg. 147)
150AD JUSTIN: But Sunday is the day on which we hold our common assembly, because it is the first day of the week and Jesus our saviour on the same day rose from the dead. (First apology of Justin, Ch 68)
150AD JUSTIN: Moreover, all those righteous men already mentioned [after mentioning Adam. Abel, Enoch, Lot, Noah, Melchizedek, and Abraham], though they kept no Sabbaths, were pleasing to God; and after them Abraham with all his descendants until Moses... And you were commanded to keep Sabbaths, that you might retain the memorial of God. For His word makes this announcement, saying, "That you may know that I am God who redeemed you." (Dialogue With Trypho the Jew, 150-165 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, page 204)
150AD JUSTIN: But if we do not admit this, we shall be liable to fall into foolish opinion, as if it were not the same God who existed in the times of Enoch and all the rest, who neither were circumcised after the flesh, nor observed Sabbaths, nor any other rites, seeing that Moses enjoined such observances... For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now, after that, according to the will of God, Jesus Christ the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham. (Dialogue With Trypho the Jew, 150-165 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, page 206)
150AD JUSTIN: ...those who have persecuted and do persecute Christ, if they do not repent, shall not inherit anything on the holy mountain. But the Gentiles, who have believed on Him, and have repented of the sins which they have committed, they shall receive the inheritance along with the patriarchs and the prophets, and the just men who are descended from Jacob, even although they neither keep the Sabbath, nor are circumcised, nor observe the feasts. Assuredly they shall receive the holy inheritance of God. (Dialogue With Trypho the Jew, 150-165 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, page 207)
150AD JUSTIN: We are always together with one another. And for all the things with which we are supplied we bless the Maker of all through his Son Jesus Christ and through his Holy Spirit. And on the day called Sunday there is a gathering together in the same place of all who live in a city or a rural district. (There follows an account of a Christian worship service, which is quoted in VII.2.) We all make our assembly in common on the day of the Sun, since it is the first day, on which God changed the darkness and matter and made the world, and Jesus Christ our Savior arose from the dead on the same day. For they crucified him on the day before Saturn's day, and on the day after (which is the day of the Sun) he appeared to his apostles and taught his disciples these things. (Apology, 1, 67:1-3, 7; First Apology, 145 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , Vol. 1, pg. 186)
150AD JUSTIN: There is no other thing for which you blame us, my friends, is there than this? That we do not live according to the Law, nor, are we circumcised in the flesh as your forefathers, nor do we observe the Sabbath as you do. (Dialogue with Trypho 10:1. In verse 3 the Jew Trypho acknowledges that Christians 'do not keep the Sabbath.')
150AD JUSTIN: The commandment of circumcision, requiring them always to circumcise the children on the eighth day, was a type of the true circumcision by which we are circumcised from error and evil through the resurrection from the dead on the first day of the week of Jesus Christ our Lord. For the first day of the week, although it is the first of all days, yet according to the number of the days in a cycle is called the eighth (while still remaining the first). (Dialogue 41:4)
150AD EPISTLE OF THE APOSTLES.- I [Christ] have come into being on the eighth day which is the day of the Lord. (18)1
180AD GOSPEL OF PETER: Early in the morning when (he Sabbath dawned, a multitude from Jerusalem and the surrounding country came to see the scaled sepulchre. In the night in which the Lord's day dawned, while the soldiers in pairs for each watch were keeping guard, a great voice came from heaven. [There follows an account of the resurrection. I Early in the morning of the Lord's day Mary Magdalene, a disciple of the Lord ?. came to the sepulchre. (9:34f.; 12:50f.)
180AD ACTS OF PETER.- Paul had often contended with the Jewish teachers and had confuted them, saying 'it is Christ on whom your fathers laid hands. He abolished their Sabbath and fasts and festivals and circumcision.' (1: I)-2
190AD CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA: Plato prophetically speaks of the Lord's day in the tenth book of the Republic, in these words: 'And when seven days have passed to each of them in the meadow, on the eighth they must go on." (Miscellanies V.xiv.106.2)
190AD CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA: (in commenting on each of the Ten Commandments and their Christian meaning:) The seventh day is proclaimed a day of rest, preparing by abstention from evil for the Primal day, our true rest. (Ibid. VII. xvi. 138.1)
190AD CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA: He does the commandment according to the Gospel and keeps the Lord's day, whenever he puts away an evil mind . . . glorifying the Lord's resurrection in himself. (Ibid. Vii.xii.76.4)
200AD TERTULLIAN: Others . . . suppose that the sun is the god of the Christians, because it is well-known that we regard Sunday as a day of joy. (To the Nations 1: 13)3
200AD TERTULLIAN: To us Sabbaths are foreign. (On Idolatry, 14:6)4
200AD TERTULLIAN: Let him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day because of threat of death, teach us that in earliest times righteous men kept Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and so were made friends of God. .. ...Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised, and inobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering Him sacrifices, uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was by Him commended... Noah also, uncircumcised - yes, and inobservant of the Sabbath - God freed from the deluge. For Enoch, too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, He translated from this world... Melchizedek also, "the priest of most high God," uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was chosen to the priesthood of God. (An Answer to the Jews 2:10; 4:1, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. 3, page 153)
200AD TERTULLIAN: It follows, accordingly, that, in so far as the abolition of carnal circumcision and of the old law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary. (An Answer to the Jews 4:1, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. 3, page 155)
200AD TERTULLIAN: "We solemnize the day after Saturday in contradistinction to those who call this day their Sabbath" (Tertullian's Apology, Ch 16)
200AD BARDESANES: Wherever we are, we are all called after the one name of Christ Christians. On one day, the first of the week, we assemble ourselves together (On Fate)5
220AD ORIGEN "On Sunday none of the actions of the world should be done. If then, you abstain from all the works of this world and keep yourselves free for spiritual things, go to church, listen to the readings and divine homilies, meditate on heavenly things. (Homil. 23 in Numeros 4, PG 12:749)
250AD CYPRIAN: The eight day, that is, the first day after the Sabbath, and the Lord's Day." (Epistle 58, Sec 4)
300AD EUSEBIUS: [The Ebionites] were accustomed to observe the Sabbath and other Jewish customs but on the Lord's days to celebrate the same practices as we in remembrance of the resurrection of the Savior. (Church History Ill.xxvii.5)
300AD EUSEBIUS: "They did not, therefore, regard circumcision, nor observe the Sabbath neither do we; ? because such things as these do not belong to Christians" (Ecc. Hist., Book 1, Ch. 4)
So by the time Constantine ratified it into civillian law it had been kept as the Christian day of worship for 300 years!
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http://www.globalchristians.org/ebooks/The%20Sabbath.htm
Sabbath-keeping is an Old Testament practice that has whole denominations (Seventh-Day Adventists, Seventh Day Baptists etc) lined up behind it. Its perhaps one of the most pervasive of the OT practices that born-again Christians feel compelled to follow. However it is something that Jesus spoke quite strongly about and which was never placed on believers in the NT.
There are four main (and somewhat separate) errors concerning the Sabbath, in order of gravity they are:
1. That you must observe the Sabbath to be saved.
2. That observance of the Sabbath is compulsory (but perhaps not essential for salvation).
3. That the Jewish Saturday Sabbath is still the Sabbath for Christians.
4. That the Sabbath is now on Sunday and Christians must observe Sunday as a day of rest.
Proponents of the Sabbath (Sabbatarians) argue that:
1. Sabbath was ordained at Creation (Genesis 2:2)
2. The Sabbath was part of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:8-11)
3. Observing the Sabbath in a consecrated way brings blessing. (Isaiah 58:13,14)
4. Not one jot or tittle will pass away from the Law until all is fulfilled. (Matthew 5:17)
5. There remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (Hebrews 4:9)
6. John the apostle was "in the Spirit on the Lord’s day" (Revelation 1:10)
At first glance this seems quite convincing so lets look at those arguments a bit more deeply. Arguments B,C and D depend on the Law still being in force in some way and their being blessing for obedience and cursing for disobedience. I hope that by now you will be able to see that is no longer the case. The Law has been fulfilled in the life and death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Argument A rests on God hallowing that day at Creation. While God did make the Sabbath holy He did not make it compulsory. Besides we have no idea on what day that was, if we are to believe Archbishop Usher (the biblical chronologist who said that Creation was on a Wednesday at 9:00am in the morning in 4004BC) it was a Wednesday!
Hebrews 4:9 "there remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" is in the midst of a section that shows that the true Sabbath is not the Sabbath instituted under Joshua that the Jews observed but rather was the Sabbath rest from dead works that we find in Christ and which reaches its fulfillment when we find our rest in Heaven.
(Hebrews 4:8-11 NASB) For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. {9} There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God. {10} For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. {11} Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall through following the same example of disobedience.
The last reference to being "in the Spirit on the Lord's Day" is very enigmatic. It may have referred to Sunday by then. It certainly does not suggest it was compulsory. Believers seemed to meet "on the first day of the week" and that may have been all there was to it. (1 Corinthians 16:2, Acts 20:7) There is no direct NT pronouncement saying "Sunday is now the Sabbath and you must keep it holy.". Most Christians were slaves and had no power to take a day off anyway!
Direct Teaching On The Sabbath.
Jesus And The Sabbath
Part of the reason for the intense hostility towards Jesus was His attitude towards the Sabbath. The Sabbath had become one of the chief spiritual control tools of the Pharisees. Hundreds of rabbinical regulations added to the Law made the Sabbath a very complex and burdensome issue for the average Jew. It had turned from being a joyous day of rest and celebration into yet another device for proving how spiritual one was.
Jesus was not tactful. In fact he just charged through the mass of rabbinical red tape like a cavalier with a sword. Culturally He would have come across as very undiplomatic, a sort of spiritual "bull in a china shop". We will see why in the next few verses where Jesus moves to combat the narrow cruel Sabbatarian legalism of the Pharisees. In an astonishing display of heartlessness they would not let the hungry disciples pick a few heads of grain to eat or approve a man being healed on the Sabbath. Their vicious cruelty reached its natural conclusion as they plot to destroy Jesus. The questions of the Sabbatarians are in blue and the main points Jesus makes are in red..
(Matthew 12:1-14 NASB) At that time Jesus went on the Sabbath through the grainfields, and His disciples became hungry and began to pick the heads of grain and eat. {2} But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him,"Behold, Your disciples do what is not lawful to do on a Sabbath."
{3} But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did, when he became hungry, he and his companions; {4} how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those with him, but for the priests alone? {5} "Or have you not read in the Law, thaton the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath, and are innocent? {6} "But I say to you, thatsomething greater than the temple is here.
{7} "But if you had known what this means,'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT A SACRIFICE,'you would not havecondemned the innocent. {8} "For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."
{9} And departing from there, He went into their synagogue. {10} And behold, there was a man with a withered hand. And they questioned Him, saying,"Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?"-- in order that they might accuse Him. {11} And He said to them,"What man shall there be among you, who shall have one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will he not take hold of it, and lift it out?{12} "Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep! So then,it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." {13} Then He said to the man, "Stretch out your hand!" And he stretched it out, and it was restored to normal, like the other. {14} But the Pharisees went out, and counseled together against Him, as to how they might destroy Him.
(Mark 2:27-28 NASB) And He was saying to them,"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. {28} "Consequently, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."
Jesus points are:
1. Human needs over-ride religious protocol. (David and the bread)
2. That the priests in the Temple break the Sabbath with impunity.
3. That He was greater than the Temple or its priests and therefore can break the Sabbath.
4. That God desires mercy (in this case for hungry disciples) not sacrifice. Kindness has a higher priority than sacrifices, religion and Sabbath-keeping.
5. That Sabbatarian legalism just ends up condemning the innocent.
6. That the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.
7. That natural common sense, even for animals would tell people to show compassion on the Sabbath.
8. That it is permissible to do good on the Sabbath.
9. The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. It is there to serve our need for rest and relaxation not to be an onerous religious burden.
Jesus was not abolishing the Sabbath (that would happen on the cross) rather He was fulfilling its purpose as a day for freeing people, healing them and restoring them and as a day for showing kindness and compassion. The Sabbath was not just a day for being religious. It was a day for being loving. It w as not just a day for going to church. It was a day for feeding the hungry and healing the sick. God's Sabbath was not just a day for demonstrating your holiness and your zeal but for showing your concern for your neighbour and even your animals. It was who you were on the Sabbath not what you did on the Sabbath that was Jesus' chief concern. If you were as hard-hearted, cruel and vindictive as these Pharisees who ended up plotting murder on the Sabbath - then no matter what you "do" in terms of religious acts you are NOT keeping the Sabbath as God intended. (see Isaiah 58 which applies the same principles to fasting).
Don't Be Judgmental About The Sabbath
Paul lists Sabbath-keeping among the disputable things in Romans 14. Thus Sabbath-keeping was not an issue of first importance and certainly not essential for salvation. Good Christians could be on both sides of the issue. Many people who believe in keeping one day aside for God do so out of very real reverence for Him and not out of legalism or bondage to elemental spirits. They do so "unto the Lord" and they are not to be judged by those who see "all days alike" - and of course vice-versa. It is not an issue we are to judge one another on.
(Romans 14:1-6 NASB) Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. {2} …{5} One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. {6} He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.
We are not to let people "act as our judge" on the issue. However if we do keep a Sabbath it should be as Jesus wanted it kept - as a day of compassion not of legalism. Personally I keep Sunday as a day of rest and of visiting friends and I try to make it a "computer free day" so I live in the real world in real relationships - not virtual ones. I see Sunday as a "day of personal restoration and reflection" and do not feel under any obligation to go to two services but I will normally go to one. I make sure there is plenty of space on Sunday for "being human". I run around a lot during the week and its great to crash out and snooze on Sunday afternoon. Sunday should be a day you look forward to with joy in anticipation of refreshment - not a day of even more busyness. I think that is catching the true Creation intent of a Sabbath.
Sabbaths Are Shadows
(Colossians 2:16-17 NASB) Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- {17} things which are amere shadowof what is to come; butthe substance belongs to Christ
(Galatians 4:9-11 NASB) But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to theweak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? {10} You observe days and months and seasons and years. {11} I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.
The Sabbath is a mere shadow. The substance - the real rest we have, is in Christ. Its simply not worth making a big deal over a shadow! Paul goes on to call these things "weak and worthless elemental things". In other words the Sabbath is a shadowy, weak, worthless, elemental thing. It is therefore NOT to be the major issue for believers that it often is. It is certainly not something we should feel enslaved to. (Gal 4:9) It is the "things to come" and the "substance" that is important - not Sabbaths, new moons, festivals etc. Christ is far above all this and it is Him we should seek.
Therefore answering the four main errors listed at the top of this chapter.
1. There are no binding Sabbaths on Christians therefore you do not have to obey the Sabbath to be saved.
2. There are no binding Sabbaths on Christians therefore the Sabbath is not compulsory.
3. The Jewish Sabbath is still Saturday but the Christian Sabbath is in Christ - not on Saturday or Sunday.
4. Sunday is the traditional day of worship for Christians but it is not a binding Sabbath that we must observe on that particular day. Days are shadows - the substance is Christ.
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Sister Betty stated:
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"The records that remain in the New Testament show that the first day of the week soon became a day of worship. When Paul wanted to collect an offering from the church at Corinth, he asked them to gather the money on the "first day of the week" (1 Cor. 16:2). And when he wanted to meet with the believers at Troas, the gathering took place "on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread" (Acts 20:7).
In Revelation 1:10, the apostle John described himself as being "in the Spirit on the Lord's Day." Most writers have thought he was referring to Sunday, so that our use of "the Lord's Day" as a term for Sunday comes from this verse."
The Catholics must have gone back in time to the Apostle's days.
betty
In answer to the false information stated bysister Betty i submit the following:
Hebraic View: First Day of the Week
From: Eddie Chumney
To: Hebraic Roots Newsgroup
Subject: Hebraic View: First Day of the Week
HEBRAIC VIEW: FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK
Dear Mishpochah (family):
In this article, I would like to examine the phrase, "First Day
of the Week" found in the NT.
As you know, this phrase, "First Day of the Week" is what MANY
in traditiional Christianity use to explain worship on Sunday and a
Sunday resurrection of the Messiah. Is this a valid interpretation of
NT scripture? Let us examine the issue:
There are EIGHT places in the NT where the phrase "First day of the week" occurs. Let's look at them:
KJV Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath <4521>, as it began to dawn toward the FIRST <3391> DAY OF THE WEEK <4521>, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
KJV Mark 16:2 And very early in the morning the FIRST <3391> DAY OF THE WEEK <4521>, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
KJV Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the FIRST <4413> DAY OF THE WEEK <4521>, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
KJV Luke 24:1 Now upon the FIRST<3391> DAY OF THE WEEK <4521> very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain
others with them.
KJV John 20:1 The FIRST<3391> DAY OF THE WEEK <4521> cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
KJV John 20:1 The FIRST<3391> DAY OF THE WEEK <4521> cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
KJV John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the FIRST<3391> DAY OF THE WEEK <4521>, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
KJV Acts 20:7 And upon the FIRST<3391> DAY OF THE WEEK <4521>, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
KJV 1 Corinthians 16:2 Upon the FIRST<3391> DAY OF
THE WEEK <4521> let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
If you would look in a Strong's Concordance for the word "WEEK"
that occurs in these passages, you will notice that the Greek word
is:
<4521> sabbaton {sab'-bat-on} of Hebrew origin 07676; TDNT - 7:1,989; n n AV - sabbath day 37, sabbath 22, week 9; 68 1) the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work 1a) the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh
day of the week 1b) a single sabbath, sabbath day 2) seven days, a week
FIFTY-NINE times in the NT, the Greek word, "Sabbaton" is
translated in the KJV as "sabbath". Here are several examples:
KJV Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath <4521> day,and stood up for to read.
KJV Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath <4521>:was made for man, andnot man for the sabbath <4521>::
In certain Bible translations, the word "day" in "first day of the week" is in ITALICS. What this means is that the word is NOT in the Greek manuscripts.
In SEVEN of the EIGHT verses cited above where the phrase "FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK" occurs, all but Mark 16:9, the Greek word for FIRST is:
<3391> mia {mee'-ah} irregular feminine of 1520; adj AV - one 62, first 8, a certain 4, a 3, the other 1, agree + 4160 + 1106 1; 79 1) only one, someone
SIXTY-TWO times the Greek word "mia" is translated as ONE.
Here are some examples:
KJV Matthew 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one <3391> flesh?
KJV John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:
them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be ONE <3391> fold, and one shepherd.
Therefore, the phrases in the original eight verses listed
above should say:
"one sabbath (s)"
The Greek language didn't have a word for SABBATH. If you notice in the definition, it says that the word "shabbaton" is of Hebrew origin.
sabbaton {sab'-bat-on} of Hebrew origin 07676
<7676> shabbath {shab-bawth'} intensive from 07673; TWOT - 2323b; n f/m AV - sabbath 107, another 1; 108 1) Sabbath 1a) sabbath 1b) day of atonement 1c) sabbath year 1d) week 1e) produce (in sabbath year)
It indicates that the Hebrew equivalent is <7676> or Sabbath.
The Greek word, "shabbaton" <3391> comes from the Hebrew language for the word, SABBATH.
After Passover, the Torah commands in Lev 23 to start counting
SEVEN WEEKS until the Feast of Pentecost / Shavuot.
The Hebrew word for WEEK is "Shavuah". It simply means, "seven".
<7620> shabuwa` {shaw-boo'-ah} or [;buv' shabua` {shaw-boo'-ah} also (fem.) sh@bu`ah {sheb-oo-aw'} properly, pass part of 07650 as a denom. of 07651; TWOT - 2318d; n m AV - week 19, seven 1; 20 1) seven, period of seven (days or years), heptad, week 1a) period of seven days, a week 1a1) Feast of Weeks 1b) heptad, seven (of years)
Therefore, the feast of Pentecost / Shavuot is the feast of "sevens". The plural of Shavuah is Shavuot.
In Hebrew, a DESIGNATED SABBATH DAY (apart from the weekly sabbath day) is called a, "SHABBATON".
KJV Leviticus 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a
sabbath <07677>, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
<7677>shabbathown {shab-baw-thone'} from 07676; TWOT - 2323d; n m AV - rest 8, sabbath 3, 11 1) Sabbath observance, sabbatism 1a) of weekly sabbath 1b) day of atonement 1c) sabbatical year 1d) of Feast of Trumpets 1e) of the 1st and last days of the Feast of Tabernacles
The GREEK language doesn't have a word that differentiates
between a weekly sabbath and the special designated "high sabbath"
day known as a "shabbaton" in Hebrew.
Therefore, the translation of "FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK" in the
EIGHT verses of the NT could be translated:
#1) "ONE (FIRST) of the SABBATH"
#2) "ONE OF THE SABBATHS": Indicating that the event took place during the FIRST WEEK of the SEVEN WEEK counting from Passover to Pentecost.
The "FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK" translation to imply SUNDAY is a BIAS on the part of the translators to support the established
practice of SUNday worship.
Before Constantine declared the Roman Empire to be Christian in
321 AD, it had MANY religions. The primary religion was Mithraism. Mithraism centered around the worship of the SUN god.
The BIRTHDAY of the SUN god in Mithraism was December 25.
The DAY to WORSHIP the SUN was SUN-day.
Through the influence of SUN worship in the ancient Roman
Empire, Roman Christianity began to observe their worship services on SUN-day and celebrate the birthday of Jesus on the day that WAS celebrated as the birthday of the sun-god.
This SUN-day bias in Roman Christianity influenced the King
James translators to translate the EIGHT phrases mentioned above as "FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK" to justify the existing practice of observing SUN-day worship based upon the teaching of a SUN-day resurrection of Yeshua / Jesus. The SUN-day celebration of a SUN-day resurrection was conducted with a SUN-rise worship service.
While many Pastors are aware of these things, TRADITION has
caused them to dismiss and continue the status-quo. However, the
SHEEP for the most part are IGNORANT of these truths.
The BIBLICAL day to worship YHVH through Yeshua / Jesus is
SABBATH.
Yeshua kept SABBATH (Luke 4:16). Paul kept Sabbath (Acts 13:14, 42-44). The Sabbath will be kept during the time of the new heaven and new earth (Isaiah 66:22-23).
I pray that this study on the "first day of the week" will help you in embracing your Hebraic heritage in Messiah.
May YHVH continue to bless you in your studies.
Eddie Chumney
Hebraic Heritage Ministries Int'l
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John 3:3;Mark 8:34-38;James 1:27
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Roman Catholic and Protestant Confessions About Sunday, Part 2
From: Yochanan Mascaro
To: Hebraic Roots Newsgroup
Subject: Remember The Sabbath Day - Keep It Set Apart
Is it that they don't know? I think not.
Is it that they don't care? I pray not.
- Yochanan Mascaro
My brothers and sisters, after I first read these "confessions"* and
others like them I could no longer continue denying this great Truth. May you be challenged with this Truth, but more importantly encouraged to convey it in love to others still in the Babylonian-Greco-Roman-Mithraic system.
I respectfully challenge any priest or pastor to stand before the Father of Lights and explain why they have nullified His Fourth Mitzvah.** If you have yet to make the change back to the Father's set-apart day, why not make this coming Shabbat your own personal "day of return."
Find a Messianic shul (synagogue) near you and make teshuvah. What better time than now to consider doing so than during Pesach as we strive to get the leaven out of our lives symbolically all the while knowing that Yahshua has cleansed out the true leaven/sin forevermore for the sake of our believing on Him.
Notes: *Confession/Teshuvah: to turn, repent, implying a 180 degree turn in the opposite direction. Unfortunately, had the following truly constituted real "confessions", perhaps the followers of these illustrious witnesses (some of whom are founders of still extant denominations) might have done a better job at correcting the unscriptural practices confessed by their denominational founders. Sadly, we know that not to be the case even today.
**While it is the Fourth Mitzvah in terms of the Decalogue (The Ten Words/Commandments), it is established well before The Torah "In the beginning" at Bereshith (Gen.) 2:2-3.
- Yochanan Mascaro
Roman Catholic Confessions
James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of our Fathers, 88th ed., pp. 89.
"But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify."
Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism 3rd ed., p. 174.
"Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has
power to institute festivals of precept?
"Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in
which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have
substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for
the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."
John Laux, A Course in Religion for Catholic High Schools and
Academies (1 936), vol. 1, P. 51.
"Some theologians have held that God likewise directly determined the Sunday as the day of worship in the New Law, that He Himself has explicitly substituted the Sunday for the Sabbath. But this theory is now entirely abandoned. It is now commonly held that God simply gave His Church the power to set aside whatever day or days she would deem suitable as Holy Days. The Church chose Sunday, the first day of the week, and in the course of time added other days as holy days."
Daniel Ferres, ed., Manual of Christian Doctrine (1916), p.67.
"Question: How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holy days?
"Answer. By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of, and therefore they fondly contradict
themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other
feasts commanded by the same Church.'
James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore (1877-1921), in a signed letter.
"Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten
Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day -Saturday - for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes . Did Christ change the day'? I answer no!
"Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons"
The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.
"The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed
the day from Saturday to Sunday."
Catholic Virginian Oct. 3, 1947, p. 9, art. "To Tell You the Truth."
"For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the
Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the[Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible."
Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Converts Catechism of Catholic
Doctrine (1957), p. 50.
"Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
"Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.
"Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
"Answer. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."
Martin J. Scott, Things Catholics Are Asked About (1927),p. 136.
"Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed
from Saturday to Sunday .... Now the Church ... instituted, by God's authority, Sunday as the day of worship. This same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory long before the Bible was made. We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday."
Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Society (1975),Chicago, Illinois.
"Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:
"1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith
and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the
Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the
Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.
"2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith.
Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the
Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by
Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change
the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her
change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for
instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws
concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws.
"It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in
pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which
there is nothing in their Bible."
T. Enright, C.S.S.R., in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, Feb. 18,1884.
"I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' The Catholic Church says: 'No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.' And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church."
Protestant Confessions
Protestant theologians and preachers from a wide spectrum of
denominations have been quite candid in admitting that there is no
Biblical authority for observing Sunday as a sabbath.
Anglican/Episcopal
Isaac Williams, Plain Sermons on the Catechism , vol. 1, pp.334, 336.
"And where are we told in the Scriptures that we are to keep the
first day at all? We are commanded to keep the seventh; but we are
nowhere commanded to keep the first day .... The reason why we keep the first day of the week holy instead of the seventh is for the same reason that we observe many other things, not because the Bible, but because the church has enjoined it."
Canon Eyton, The Ten Commandments , pp. 52, 63, 65.
"There is no word, no hint, in the New Testament about abstaining
from work on Sunday .... into the rest of Sunday no divine law
enters.... The observance of Ash Wednesday or Lent stands exactly on the same footing as the observance of Sunday."
Bishop Seymour, Why We Keep Sunday.
We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy Catholic Church."
Baptist
Dr. Edward T. Hiscox, a paper read before a New York ministers'
conference, Nov. 13, 1893, reported in New York Examiner , Nov.16, 1893.
"There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday. It will be said, however, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week .... Where can the record of
such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament absolutely not.
"To me it seems unaccountable that Jesus, during three years'
intercourse with His disciples, often conversing with them upon the
Sabbath question . . . never alluded to any transference of the day;
also, that during forty days of His resurrection life, no such thing
was intimated.
"Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history . . . . But what a pity it comes branded with the mark of paganism, and christened with the name of the sun god, adopted and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism!"
William Owen Carver, The Lord's Day in Our Day , p. 49.
"There was never any formal or authoritative change from the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath to the Christian first-day observance."
Congregationalist
Dr. R. W. Dale, The Ten Commandments (New York: Eaton &Mains), p. 127-129.
" . . . it is quite clear that however rigidly or devotedly we may
spend Sunday, we are not keeping the Sabbath - . . 'Me Sabbath was founded on a specific Divine command. We can plead no such command for the obligation to observe Sunday .... There is not a single sentence in the New Testament to suggest that we incur any penalty by violating the supposed sanctity of Sunday."
Timothy Dwight, Theology: Explained and Defended (1823), Ser. 107, vol. 3, p. 258.
" . . . the Christian Sabbath [Sunday] is not in the Scriptures, and
was not by the primitive Church called the Sabbath."
Disciples of Christ
Alexander Campbell, The Christian Baptist, Feb. 2, 1824,vol. 1. no.
7, p. 164.
"'But,' say some, 'it was changed from the seventh to the first day.'
Where? when? and by whom? No man can tell. No; it never was changed, nor could it be, unless creation was to be gone through again: for the reason assigned must be changed before the observance, or respect to the reason, can be changed! It is all old wives' fables to talk of the change of the Sabbath from the seventh to the first day. If it be changed, it was that august personage changed it who changes times and laws ex officio - I think his name is Doctor Antichrist.'
First Day Observance , pp. 17, 19.
"The first day of the week is commonly called the Sabbath. This is a mistake. The Sabbath of the Bible was the day just preceding the
first day of the week. The first day of the week is never called the
Sabbath anywhere in the entire Scriptures. It is also an error to
talk about the change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. There is not in any place in the Bible any intimation of such a change."
Lutheran
The Sunday Problem , a study book of the United Lutheran Church (1923), p. 36.
"We have seen how gradually the impression of the Jewish sabbath
faded from the mind of the Christian Church, and how completely the newer thought underlying the observance of the first day took
possession of the church. We have seen that the Christians of the
first three centuries never confused one with the other, but for a
time celebrated both."
Augsburg Confession of Faith art. 28; written by Melanchthon,
approved by Martin Luther, 1530; as published in The Book of Concord of the Evangelical Lutheran Church Henry Jacobs, ed. (1 91 1), p. 63.
"They [Roman Catholics] refer to the Sabbath Day, a shaving been
changed into the Lord's Day, contrary to the Decalogue, as it seems. Neither is there any example whereof they make more than concerning the changing of the Sabbath Day. Great, say they, is the power of the Church, since it has dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments!"
Dr. Augustus Neander, The History of the Christian Religion and
Church Henry John Rose, tr. (1843), p. 186.
"The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a
human ordinance, and it was far from the intentions of the apostles
to establish a Divine command in this respect, far from them, and
from the early apostolic Church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath
to Sunday."
John Theodore Mueller, Sabbath or Sunday , pp. 15, 16.
"But they err in teaching that Sunday has taken the place of the Old
Testament Sabbath and therefore must be kept as the seventh day had to be kept by the children of Israel .... These churches err in their teaching, for Scripture has in no way ordained the first day of the week in place of the Sabbath. There is simply no law in the New Testament to that effect."
Methodist
Harris Franklin Rall, Christian Advocate, July 2, 1942, p.26.
"Take the matter of Sunday. There are indications in the New
Testament as to how the church came to keep the first day of the week as its day of worship, but there is no passage telling Christians to keep that day, or to transfer the Jewish Sabbath to that day."
John Wesley, The Works of the Rev. John Wesley, A.M., John Emory, ed. (New York: Eaton & Mains), Sermon 25,vol. 1, p. 221.
"But, the moral law contained in the ten commandments, and enforced by the prophets, he [Christ] did not take away. It was not the design of his coming to revoke any part of this. This is a law which never can be broken .... Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind, and in all ages; as not depending either on time or place, or any other circumstances liable to change, but on the nature of God and the nature of man, and their unchangeable relation to each other."
Dwight L. Moody D. L. Moody, Weighed and Wanting (Fleming H. Revell Co.: New York), pp. 47, 48.
The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. This fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember,' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God Wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?"
Presbyterian
T. C. Blake, D.D., Theology Condensed, pp.474, 475.
"The Sabbath is a part of the decalogue - the Ten Commandments. This alone forever settles the question as to the perpetuity of the
institution . . . . Until, therefore, it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand . . . . The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath."
Selah.
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There are 1050 commandments in the NEW Testament and not one of them says to observe the Sabbath.
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"The records that remain in the New Testament show that the first day of the week soon became a day of worship. When Paul wanted to collect an offering from the church at Corinth, he asked them to gather the money on the "first day of the week" (1 Cor. 16:2). And when he wanted to meet with the believers at Troas, the gathering took place "on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread" (Acts 20:7).
In Revelation 1:10, the apostle John described himself as being "in the Spirit on the Lord's Day." Most writers have thought he was referring to Sunday, so that our use of "the Lord's Day" as a term for Sunday comes from this verse."
The Catholics must have gone back in time to the Apostle's days.
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Roman Catholic and Protestant Confessions About Sunday
From: Darryl McDowell
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Subject: Roman Catholic And Protestant Confessions about Sunday
ROMAN CATHOLIC AND PROTESTANT CONFESSIONS ABOUT SUNDAY
The vast majority of Christian churches today teach the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, as a time for rest and worship. Yet it is generally known and freely admitted that the early Christians observed the seventh day as the Sabbath. How did this change come about?
History reveals that it was decades after the death of the apostles that a politico-religious system repudiated the Sabbath of Scripture and substituted the observance of the first day of the week.
The following quotations, all from Roman Catholic sources, freely acknowledge that there is no Biblical authority for the observance of Sunday, that it was the Roman Church that changed the Sabbath to the first day of the week.
In the second portion of this booklet are quotations from Protestants. Undoubtedly all of these noted clergymen, scholars, and writers kept Sunday, but they all frankly admit that there is no Biblical authority for a first-day sabbath.
ROMAN CATHOLIC CONFESSIONS
James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of our Fathers, 88th ed., pp. 89.
"But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify."
Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism 3rd ed., p. 174.
"Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
"Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."
John Laux, A Course in Religion for Catholic High Schools and Academies (1936), vol. 1, P. 51.
"Some theologians have held that God likewise directly determined the Sunday as the day of worship in the New Law, that He Himself has explicitly substituted the Sunday for the Sabbath. But this theory is now entirely abandoned. It is now commonly held that God simply gave His Church the power to set aside whatever day or days she would deem suitable as Holy Days. The Church chose Sunday, the first day of the week, and in the course of time added other days as holy days."
Daniel Ferres, ed., Manual of Christian Doctrine (1916), p.67.
"Question: How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holy days?
"Answer. By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of, and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church.'
James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore (1877-1921), in a signed letter.
"Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day -Saturday - for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes . Did Christ change the day'? I answer no!
"Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons"
The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.
"The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."
Catholic Virginian Oct. 3, 1947, p. 9, art. "To Tell You the Truth."
"For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the[Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible."
Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Converts Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957), p. 50.
"Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
"Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.
"Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
"Answer. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."
Martin J. Scott, Things Catholics Are Asked About (1927),p. 136.
"Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday .... Now the Church ... instituted, by God's authority, Sunday as the day of worship. This same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory long before the Bible was made. We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday."
Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Society (1975), Chicago, Illinois.
"Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:
"1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.
"2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws.
"It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible."
T. Enright, C.S.S.R., in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, Feb. 18,1884.
"I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' The Catholic Church says: 'No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.' And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church."
PROTESTANT CONFESSIONS
Protestant theologians and preachers from a wide spectrum of denominations have been quite candid in admitting that there is no Biblical authority for observing Sunday as a sabbath.
Anglican/Episcopal
Isaac Williams, Plain Sermons on the Catechism , vol. 1, pp.334, 336.
"And where are we told in the Scriptures that we are to keep the first day at all? We are commanded to keep the seventh; but we are nowhere commanded to keep the first day .... The reason why we keep the first day of the week holy instead of the seventh is for the same reason that we observe many other things, not because the Bible, but because the church has enjoined it."
Canon Eyton, The Ten Commandments , pp. 52, 63, 65.
"There is no word, no hint, in the New Testament about abstaining from work on Sunday .... into the rest of Sunday no divine law enters.... The observance of Ash Wednesday or Lent stands exactly on the same footing as the observance of Sunday."
Bishop Seymour, Why We Keep Sunday.
We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy Catholic Church."
Baptist
Dr. Edward T. Hiscox, a paper read before a New York Ministers' conference, Nov. 13, 1893, reported in New York Examiner , Nov.16, 1893.
"There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday. It will be said, however, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week .... Where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament absolutely not.
"To me it seems unaccountable that Jesus, during three years' intercourse with His disciples, often conversing with them upon the Sabbath question . . . never alluded to any transference of the day; also, that during forty days of His resurrection life, no such thing was intimated.
"Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history . . . . But what a pity it comes branded with the mark of paganism, and christened with the name of the sun god, adopted and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism!"
William Owen Carver, The Lord's Day in Our Day , p. 49.
"There was never any formal or authoritative change from the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath to the Christian first-day observance."
Congregationalist
Dr. R. W. Dale, The Ten Commandments (New York: Eaton &Mains), p. 127-129.
" . . . it is quite clear that however rigidly or devotedly we may spend Sunday, we are not keeping the Sabbath - . . 'Me Sabbath was founded on a specific Divine command. We can plead no such command for the obligation to observe Sunday .... There is not a single sentence in the New Testament to suggest that we incur any penalty by violating the supposed sanctity of Sunday."
Timothy Dwight, Theology: Explained and Defended (1823), Ser. 107, vol. 3, p. 258.
" . . . the Christian Sabbath [Sunday] is not in the Scriptures, and was not by the primitive Church called the Sabbath."
Disciples of Christ
Alexander Campbell, The Christian Baptist, Feb. 2, 1824,vol. 1. no. 7, p. 164.
"'But,' say some, 'it was changed from the seventh to the first day.' Where? when? and by whom? No man can tell. No; it never was changed, nor could it be, unless creation was to be gone through again: for the reason assigned must be changed before the observance, or respect to the reason, can be changed! It is all old wives' fables to talk of the change of the Sabbath from the seventh to the first day. If it be changed, it was that august personage changed it who changes times and laws ex officio - I think his name is Doctor Antichrist.'
First Day Observance , pp. 17, 19.
"The first day of the week is commonly called the Sabbath. This is a mistake. The Sabbath of the Bible was the day just preceding the first day of the week. The first day of the week is never called the Sabbath anywhere in the entire Scriptures. It is also an error to talk about the change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. There is not in any place in the Bible any intimation of such a change."
Lutheran
The Sunday Problem , a study book of the United Lutheran Church (1923), p. 36.
"We have seen how gradually the impression of the Jewish sabbath faded from the mind of the Christian Church, and how completely the newer thought underlying the observance of the first day took possession of the church. We have seen that the Christians of the first three centuries never confused one with the other, but for a time celebrated both."
Augsburg Confession of Faith art. 28; written by Melanchthon, approved by Martin Luther, 1530; as published in The Book of Concord of the Evangelical Lutheran Church Henry Jacobs, ed. (1 91 1), p. 63.
"They [Roman Catholics] refer to the Sabbath Day, a shaving been changed into the Lord's Day, contrary to the Decalogue, as it seems. Neither is there any example whereof they make more than concerning the changing of the Sabbath Day. Great, say they, is the power of the Church, since it has dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments!"
Dr. Augustus Neander, The History of the Christian Religion and Church Henry John Rose, tr. (1843), p. 186.
"The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a human ordinance, and it was far from the intentions of the apostles to establish a Divine command in this respect, far from them, and from the early apostolic Church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday."
John Theodore Mueller, Sabbath or Sunday , pp. 15, 16.
"But they err in teaching that Sunday has taken the place of the Old Testament Sabbath and therefore must be kept as the seventh day had to be kept by the children of Israel .... These churches err in their teaching, for Scripture has in no way ordained the first day of = the week in place of the Sabbath. There is simply no law in the New Testament to that effect."
Methodist
Harris Franklin Rall, Christian Advocate, July 2, 1942, p.26.
"Take the matter of Sunday. There are indications in the New Testament as to how the church came to keep the first day of the week as its day of worship, but there is no passage telling Christians to keep that day, or to transfer the Jewish Sabbath to that day."
John Wesley, The Works of the Rev. John Wesley, A.M., John Emory, ed. (New York: Eaton & Mains), Sermon 25,vol. 1, p. 221.
"But, the moral law contained in the ten commandments, and enforced by the prophets, he [Christ] did not take away. It was not the design of his coming to revoke any part of this. This is a law which never can be broken .... Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind, and in all ages; as not depending either on time or place, or any other circumstances liable to change, but on the nature of God and the nature of man, and their unchangeable relation to each other."
Dwight L. Moody
D. L. Moody, Weighed and Wanting (Fleming H. Revell Co.: New York), pp. 47, 48.
The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. This fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember,' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God Wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?"
Presbyterian
T. C. Blake, D.D., Theology Condensed, pp.474, 475.
"The Sabbath is a part of the decalogue - the Ten Commandments. This alone forever settles the question as to the perpetuity of the institution . . . . Until, therefore, it can be
shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand . . . . The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath."
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I leave you to believe the lies of the cult you belong to.
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Jesus Christ is our Sabbath.
There is no other Sabbath rest besides Jesus. He alone satisfies the requirements of the Law, and He alone provides the sacrifice that atones for sin. He is God’s plan for us to cease from the labor of our own works. We dare not reject this one-and-only Way of salvation (John 14:6). God’s reaction to those who choose to reject His plan is seen in Numbers 15. A man was found gathering sticks on the Sabbath day, in spite of God’s plain commandment to cease from all labor on the Sabbath. This transgression was a known and willful sin, done with unblushing boldness in broad daylight, in open defiance of the divine authority. “And Jehovah said to Moses, ‘The man shall surely be put to death’” (v. 35). So it will be to all who reject God’s provision for our Sabbath rest in Christ. “How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation?” (Hebrews 2:3).
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The True Sabbath Day
The seventh day of the week, the day commonly known as Saturday, is the Sabbath day of YAHWEH the Almighty God of Israel. It was ordained of God as a day of physical rest for all mankind, and the obligation to observe it arises from
Yahweh's own example
His act of blessing the seventh day
And His explicit command to keep it holy.
The word Sabbath implies rest, peace, tranquillity and refreshment. And who will doubt but that in this turbulent and confused world every soul on earth is in need of spiritual rest and refreshment. Consequently, those who faithfully remember the Sabbath of the Most High and draw apart from the world each weekend to worship Him on His holy day, will receive the spiritual blessings promised in His Holy Word; blessings that will find full scope in the ages to come.
The seventh day Sabbath according to the Bible, was blessed, sanctified and set apart for sacred use by the God of Israel at the creation of the world, and on that memorable occasion it was first observed by the Lord Himself.
(Genesis 2:2-3)
Furthermore, all mankind is required by divine law to keep holy the seventh day of the week. The Sabbath command is one of the Ten Commandments, a law which is not only scheduled to outlast this universe but which every soul on earth is obliged to observe. Therefore as long as heaven and earth shall last, the seventh day of the week is the Sabbath day. Disobedience of Yahweh's law, of which the Sabbath commandment is merely a part, is sin. These unequivocal facts cannot be rejected without serious consequences.
(Exodus 20:8-11, Matthew 5:17-19, 1 John 3:4)
Sabbath desecration is strongly condemned by the true prophets of God and their inspired messages have been recorded in the Scriptures for the benefit of succeeding generations of readers from every nation under heaven. Dare we ignore their warnings?
(Ezekiel 20:19-24, Ezekiel 22:8,26,31, Jeremiah 17:27)
In recognition of the Sabbath commandment Yeshua the Messiah (Jesus Christ) kept holy the seventh day of the week (Saturday) and the Scriptures testify to the fact that it was his custom to do so.
(Luke 4:16)
Like his Master, it was also the custom of the Apostle Paul and his companions to observe the seventh day Sabbath, the day commonly known as Saturday. The disciple were still observing the true Sabbath day some sixteen to twenty years after the resurrection.
(Acts 17:2, Acts 18:4)
In addition to the above, new converts, both Jews and Gentiles alike, regularly attended the synagogue for worship on the Saturday Sabbath, and the fact that interested Gentiles in Antioch requested further instruction of Paul "on the next Sabbath" is irrefutable evidence that no separate Sunday meetings were being held there by those early Christians. In other words, the Gentiles were willing to wait a full week, till the next Saturday, for a meeting. Why? Because they knew that Paul and his companions did not normally meet for divine worship on a Sunday, but would instead be available for discussion again on the next Sabbath. On the next Sabbath (Saturday) almost the whole city arrived for the meeting.
(Acts 13:42-44)
In his prophecy concerning the destruction of Jerusalem, the Master advised his followers to pray that their flight from the city "be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day." This passage is also strong proof that Jesus Christ had absolutely no intention whatsoever of doing away with the Sabbath commandment at the cross. On the contrary it shows his high regard for the Sabbath day in that he advised his followers - who were mostly Jews - to even go to the extent of praying to God about it, that He would make it possible for them to keep the Sabbath day some 40 years after the crucifixion!
(Matthew 24:20)
The Seventh day Sabbath is also the divine Sign which the God of Israel places in the minds of His people. It is Yahweh's Signature which He inscribes on the believer's mind to commemorate his work of creation, sanctification and salvation through Jesus. The Sabbath is, in fact, the eternal memorial token of the perpetual covenant between The Almighty and His Church. What's more, it will continue to be so even in the new heavens and the new earth.
(Exodus 20:12&20, Isaiah 66:22-23)
The Sabbath rest is a token or sample of the divine Rest of God which the Most High is eagerly looking forward to. Many believers are going to be excluded from that divine rest because of their deliberate and persistent disobedience of the Sabbath commandment.
(Psalm 95:10-11, Hebrews 4:9-11)
Students are therefore advised to "Remember the Seventh day to keep it holy." If they do this, they will, according to the divine declaration, feast on the heritage of Jacob and be made welcome in the Holy Mountain of God.
(Isaiah 56:2-7, Isaiah 58:13-14)
In some strange way the Most high values His Sabbath days more than any human mind can appreciate. They are to Him a unique, spiritual treasure of inestimable worth. Try to understand His pleadings in these amazing words:
Ezekiel 20:11-12 "And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.
Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them."
Note how the Sabbath is given a special place of honour, far above the other statutes and judgements, important as they obviously are. Yahweh's Sabbath is an eternal token of sanctification; the sacred sign that sets the obedient believer apart from all the other peoples of the earth. It is His SIGN, His Signatre on the true believer's mind. We trust that you dear student are not missing out on this vital commandment?
In addition to the weekly Sabbath day, Yahweh the Almighty God of Israel has seven annual Sabbaths. Every one of them is a memorial of a great event in the Plan of Salvation.
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Carol has proved to you that the Apostles started Sunday worship before the Catholic Church. Sadly, you are so caught up in your cult that you cannot see the truth.
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Is the Sabbath for today? If the fourth commandment is to be kept today, by today's Christians, then why are we celebrating the first day of the week - Sunday?
These are difficult questions for a Christian today to not only ask, but to understand, and then once understood, sometimes can be more difficult to keep! If you decide, after studying the reasons for keeping the Sabbath, that you would like to also keep this commandment given by YHVH, then you may find yourself cast off by your Sunday-keeping friends and even family. But we must all ask ourselves....who are we to serve - ourselves, our friends, family & church - or the God we claim to serve?
First of all, let's look at where the Sabbath is first mentioned in the Scriptures. In Gen. 2:2,3 it says: "on the seventh God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it". And in Exodus 20:8-11 it says, "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a Sabbath to The Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your manservant, or your maidservant, or your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates; for in six days The Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore The Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."
Many in the Christian world believe that this Sabbath day of rest was merely a shadow of things to come, and therefore, as an ordinance to be observed, has simply passed away in light of a new and better covenant instituted by Yahshau (Jesus). However, stop here a moment and ask yourself this - has God's involvement and his rest in creation ceased to be relevant? Is it no longer important? Yahweh's creational work now, as before is just as significant as in the days of the ancient Israelites.
So where does the word Sabbath come from anyway? Well, the Aramaic word for Sabbath is "sabbaata" (singular). This was adopted into the Greek so that the word sabbata in Greek also means "Sabbath". Many of the Greek speaking population did not understand the origin of the word sabbata as it sounded like the plural of an imaginary Greek word "sabbaton". Then there is the concept of "week" which was often represented in both Hebrew and Greek by the same word - sabbath. In Hebrew it also has the meaning of a day of rest, ceasing or resting from weekly labor.
Only One Day is Holy
The Sabbath Day, and only the Sabbath Day was made Holy by God at the time of creation. This is God's Holy Day - did you catch that? THE SABBATH IS GOD'S HOLY DAY - not an invention, or property of Israelites, Jews or Sabbath-keeping Christians!! In Isaiah 58:13-14 of the RSV it says: "If you turn back your foot from the Sabbath, from doing your pleasure on My Holy Day, and call the Sabbath a delight and the Holy Day of The Lord honorable; if you honor it, not going your own ways or seeking your own pleasure, or talking idly; then you shall take delight in The Lord, and I will make you ride upon the heights of the earth; I will feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father, for the mouth of The Lord has spoken." (Isaiah 58:13-14 RSV)
Wow! By simply doing what God says to do - honoring the Sabbath, He will make us ride upon the heights of the earth and will feed us our heritage of our fathers! What more could a person desire? Surely, the Sabbath Day is an identifying sign - a 'mark' that a person is identified by - a mark of His true people. Consider this scripture in Ezekiel 20:11-12 "I gave them My statutes and showed them My ordinances, by whose observance man shall live. Moreover I gave them My Sabbaths, as a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I The Lord sanctify them."
Ok, so maybe you're not convinced....you say - that's the 'OLD TESTAMENT'. So let's look at the New Testament and see what scripture says about the Sabbath. Think about this - what day of rest .... what day of worship .... did the Savior keep? What day of rest...what day of worship....did all the apostles keep, and the first followers of Yahshua and the thousands upon thousands up until the 3rd century? They were ALL Sabbath keepers and would never have observed the heathen "sun-worship day". Consider these scriptures: Mark 1:21 "And they went into Capernaum; and immediately on the Sabbath He entered the synagogue and taught." and again in Mark 6:2 "And on the Sabbath He began to teach in the synagogue; and many who heard Him were astonished, saying, "Where did this man get all this? What is the wisdom given to Him? What mighty works are wrought by His hands!"
And those that were called Christians continued to observe the Sabbath after the crucifixion of Jesus. As we see in Acts 13:42-44 "As they went out, the people begged that these things might be told them the next Sabbath. And when the meeting of the synagogue broke up, many Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who spoke to them and urged them to continue in the grace of God. The next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered together to hear the word of God."
As you can plainly see, the seventh day never stopped being God's Sabbath! It has always been observed by Christians who base their Christianity on the Word of God, the Holy Scriptures. In fact, when the Messiah returns, all people, of all nations, will learn to observe not only God's weekly Sabbath, but all the Feast Days of the Lord!
"For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make shall remain before Me, says The Lord; so shall your descendants and your name remain. From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before Me, says The Lord." (Isaiah 66:22-23 RSV)
So how did the Sabbath come to be thrown by the way-side by the Christians from the third century up to our present time? How did the pagan Roman empire accomplish this corruption in this, the most holy day of rest into a 'venerable day of the sun' - a change that has been blindly accepted by all the Christian profession churches and people since the third century?
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Thank you WildB.
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The Ten Commandments and the Sabbath, did not exist from the Garden of Eden.
The Ten Commandments did not exist as a formal code of law until Moses Sabbatarians haven't comprehended the fact that the word "Sabbath" is never found in the book of Genesis. The first case of Sabbath keeping was in Exodus 16 at Mt. Sinai. Here Jehovah gave Moses the "Ten Commandments", for the first time in world history. If the Ten commandments did not exist before Moses, then neither did the 4th commandment unless we find some command or example before Moses. The truth is that Adam never kept the Sabbath, nor did Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph or anyone while in Egyptian bondage.
Here are two comments from our history archive that prove the common view between 150 and 200AD was that the Patriarchs never kept the Sabbath!
150AD JUSTIN: Moreover, all those righteous men already mentioned [after mentioning Adam. Abel, Enoch, Lot, Noah, Melchizedek, and Abraham], though they kept no Sabbaths, were pleasing to God; and after them Abraham with all his descendants until Moses... And you [fleshly Jews] were commanded to keep Sabbaths, that you might retain the memorial of God. For His word makes this announcement, saying, "That you may know that I am God who redeemed you." (Dialogue With Trypho the Jew, 150-165 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, page 204)
200AD TERTULLIAN: Let him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day because of threat of death, teach us that in earliest times righteous men kept Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and so were made friends of God. .. ...Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised, and inobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering Him sacrifices, uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was by Him commended... Noah also, uncircumcised - yes, and inobservant of the Sabbath - God freed from the deluge. For Enoch, too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, He translated from this world... Melchizedek also, "the priest of most high God," uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was chosen to the priesthood of God. (An Answer to the Jews 2:10; 4:1, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. 3, page 153)
Actual Sabbatarian false argument: "Adam, Noah and Abraham kept the Sabbath."
Answers:
A. Even if the Sabbath was given to Adam, that does not mean Christians must keep it because God also gave sacrificial laws of offering to Adam as well (although after the garden). Such an argument by Sabbatarians ultimately proves nothing!
B. The 10 commandments or Sabbath law did not exist before Moses
The word "Sabbath" is not found in the book of Genesis!
The very first thing written on the stones tells us this! Obviously then, this law was something new. Deut 5:6 'I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me.
Fathers prior to Egypt did not keep the Sabbath: Deut 5:2-3 "The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of us alive here today."
No one prior to the Exodus from Egypt (Ex 16) even knew about the Sabbath law: Ezek 20:10-12 "So I took them out of the land of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness. 11 "And I gave them My statutes and informed them of My ordinances, by which, if a man observes them, he will live. 12 "And also I gave them My Sabbaths to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them. 13 "But the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness. They did not walk in My statutes, and they rejected My ordinances, by which, if a man observes them, he will live; and My Sabbaths they greatly profaned."
Sabbatarians argue that since "Sabbaths" in Ezek 20:10-12 is plural it cannot refer to the weekly Sabbath: Wrong: The weekly Sabbath is plural in: Ex 31:13,17. Both singular and plural are used for the weekly Sabbath: Lev 19:3; 23:38; Isa 56:2,4; Mt 12:5; 12:10; Acts 17:2
God revealed "made known" the Sabbath law at Sinai, He did not remind them. Nehemiah 9:13-14 "You came down also on Mount Sinai, and spoke with them from heaven, and gave them just ordinances and true laws, good statutes and commandments. You made known to them Your holy Sabbath, and commanded them precepts, statutes and laws, by the hand of Moses Your servant." This verse is bad news for Sabbatarians!
Gal 3:17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later (after Abraham)
First Occurrence of the word "Sabbath" - Exodus 16:22-23 And so it was, on the sixth day, that they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. Then he said to them, 'This is what the Lord has said: 'Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning. The text in verse 23-30 indicates that this was a new experience for Israel. They were not used to keeping the Sabbath before this time.
The ten commandments were first given when Moses face shone: Ex 34:27-28; 2 Cor 3
If they had the Sabbath before Ex 16, then they just as likely had the manna before as well. Yet Sabbatarians freely admit that the manna was something new for them. Yet when we look at the text, the Jews were equally unfamiliar with BOTH manna and the Sabbath.
C. There is no record or even hint that anyone prior to Ex 16 kept the Sabbath: Yet the Patriarchs were instructed regarding:
offerings: Gen 4:3-4
Altars Gen 8:20
Priests: Gen 14:18
Tithes: Gen 14:20
Circumcision: Gen 17:10
Marriage: Gen 2:24 & Gen 34:9
Why would God leave out the "all important" Sabbath command???
D. Sabbath was not sanctified until after God rested: Gen 2:2; Ex 20:11
First God rested, then AFTER HE RESTED then He sanctified it. This proves that the Sabbath was not part of God's eternal law in heaven prior to creation!
The Bible no where says WHEN he sanctified it, just that it was after God rested.
Even if God did sanctify the Sabbath day in Eden, God still did not revealed the Sabbath in Eden because there is absolutely no evidence that anyone kept the Sabbath prior to Ex 16.
Gen 2:2 tells us the reason, not the time that God sanctified the Sabbath.
Genesis was written during the time of Moses, not before. Neither Adam or Abraham had the book of Genesis! For the first time God told the Jews in the wilderness about the Sabbath!
Christ was chosen as the sacrificial lamb from before the foundation of the world, ( 1 Pe 1:20; 2 Tim 1:9) but did not revealed to man some time later, (at least 6 days) and then only after man ate the tree of life. Specific details were not revealed for some 4000 years until Christ walked the earth. In fact God set Jesus apart as the sacrifice for man long before God actually GAVE His son.
E. The Sabbath would be unsuitable for Adam while in the Garden of Eden:
Work and labour were only existed after Adam sinned: Gen 3:19
"strangers with your gates, servants" make no sense in the garden regarding the Sabbath
The only 2 commandments God gave Adam were to keep the garden Gen 2:5 and not eat the forbidden fruit.
F. The first time any Jewish holy day is mentioned in scripture, it always lacks the definite article (a Sabbath).
All the Jewish holy days are never introduced the first time in scripture with the definite article "the" but with the indefinite "a" or "an".
The indefinite article is used both before and after something has been instituted, but the definite article (THE Sabbath) is never used the first time something is introduced.
This powerful argument proves that the weekly Sabbath did not exist before Ex 16:23.
What makes it irrefutable, is the fact that every Jewish Holy Day follows this same pattern!
first time instituted
after instituted
tomorrow is a Sabbath: Ex 16:23
"the" Lord has given you the Sabbath: Ex 16:29
A solemn rest "a" holy Sabbath: Ex 17:22; Lev 16:25
"the" Sabbath: Ex 20:11
"a" memorial: Lev 12:30
afterwards, the Lord's Passover
"an" holy convocation: Lev 23:21
the day of Pentecost: Acts 2:1
Unleavened bread: "a" feast: Ex 12:40
afterward, the feast: Lev 23:6
In-gathering: "a" feast
the feast: Heb 8:18
"an" alter Gen 8:20
the altar: Gen 8:20
"a" Day of atonement: Lev 23:27
G. The Sabbath was not sanctified on day 6, but is an example of Prolepsis:
Prolepsis: "the representation of something in the future as if it already existed or had occurred." Webster's Dictionary
Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living. (This is said before the birth of Cain.)
Genesis 4:20-21 And Adah bore Jabal. He was the father of those who dwell in tents and have livestock.
His brother's name was Jubal. He was the father of all those who play the harp and flute. (but not at that time in the narration)
Matthew 10:4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him. (The betrayal did not occur until 3 years later.)
1 Sam 4:1 not named until later ( 1 Sam 7:12)
Lk 6:16
Gen 11:9 (2218BC connected with 1492BC)
Gen 10:4-5 There were no Gentiles in Noah's day, connected with 1492BC
Gen 2:24 there were no mothers and fathers at that time!
Jn 11:1-2 anointing did not take place until later in Jn 12:3
When Moses wrote "Genesis" to the Jews, he brought up the reason they kept the Sabbath in the Creation account, although it was not finally revealed until the events recorded in Exodus.
Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy... For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. "
H. Typical case of how Sabbatarians try to prove the 10 commandments existed before Moses. Here is their favorite proof text: "because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws." " (Genesis 26:5)
Now the first mistake is that every time they see "my commandments" they assume it is the ten commandments.
Ok lets run with this for a minute. Assume they are right. Then what does My statutes and My laws refer to? Well the ceremonial law of Moses of course!
If "my commandments" refers the to 10 commandments, then My statutes and My laws refers to the ceremonial law of Moses!
So Seventh-day Adventists read into the text the text the 10 commandments, but ignore the obvious reference to what they call the ceremonial law of Moses.
The verse proves too much for them, so they merely ignore everything but the phrase "my commandments".
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We are under grace and not the law. If we try to get saved under the law we have to keep every law and that is not just the Ten Commandments.
The Apostles felt free to worship on Sunday and so do it.
God bless you.
betty
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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On another note. The laws of God in the Old Test were never meant to "save" anyone. They were for a way for man to live with not only God but with their
fellowman. The word for Torah was translated law but the meaning in hebrew is Instructions.
Also, Read Leviticus 23, God does NOT call these the "Jewish Feast", this is a man-made interpretation. Read what God calls all The Feasts, including Sabbath Day Leviticus 23:
And the Lord spoke to Moses saying, "Speak to the children of Israel and say to them; 'The feasts of the Lord which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are MY FEASTS."
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Good for you to worship on Sunday. We should worship God everyday, Amen? But that still does not make Sunday the Sabbath day, the Day that God created in the beginning and the day that God Himself said would be a Sabbath Day from Generation to Generation and said it would be forever.
The sabbath Day is not about worship. I think that is where the confusion lies within the church. We are to worship Him everyday.
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Just came back from Church. It is a blessing to be in God's house on anyday especially on Sunday, the Resurrection Day.
Betty
I say Resurrection Day because the reason the Apostles started worshiping on Sunday was because Jesus rose again on Sunday. After Jesus' death and resurrection, the Apostles no longer depended on Jewish laws to save them but on Jesus to save them.
We worship on Sunday because we are not under the Jewish law but under the blood of Jesus.
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I want to say that i did not post those quotes as to start argument. But these theologians, especially Martin Luther, who is considered the founding father of Protestants did not believe the Sabbath was done away with.
Here we had Lutherns, Presbyterians, Baptist, Episcoplas and Catholics all proclaiming that the Sabbath day had been changed by the Catholic Church.
But in all reality, it has not changed, it is still the 7th day of the week, it is still known as the sabbath day. Sunday is just the 1st day of the week, and was most likely observed by the first christians as a day to take care of financial and civil matters in the church body and was done after sundown on Saturday at which time they had oneg (supper).
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