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Here is another article from Global Research that talks about the $385 million dollar deal to build concentration camps in the United States:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=DAL20060228&articleId=2045
In the article, it states that:
A recently announced contract for a Halliburton subsidiary to build immigrant detention facilities is part of a longer-term Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of "all removable aliens" and "potential terrorists." Scott is author of "Drugs, Oil, and War: The United States in Afghanistan, Colombia, and Indochina" (Rowman & Littlefield, 2003). He is completing a book on "The Road to 9/11." Visit his Web site at:
http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/index.html
The Halliburton subsidiary KBR (formerly Brown and Root) announced on Jan. 24 that it had been awarded a $385 million contingency contract by the Department of Homeland Security to build detention camps. Two weeks later, on Feb. 6, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff announced that the Fiscal Year 2007 federal budget would allocate over $400 million to add 6,700 additional detention beds (an increase of 32 percent over 2006). This $400 million allocation is more than a four-fold increase over the FY 2006 budget, which provided only $90 million for the same purpose.
ENDGAME's crash program is designed to house additional detainees who have not been convicted of crimes.
Significantly, both the KBR contract and the ENDGAME plan are open-ended. The contract calls for a response to "an emergency influx of immigrants, or to support the rapid development of new programs" in the event of other emergencies, such as "a natural disaster." "New programs" is of course a term with no precise limitation. So, in the current administration, is ENDGAME's goal of removing "potential terrorists."
It is relevant that in 2002, Attorney General John Ashcroft announced his desire to see camps for U.S. citizens deemed to be "enemy combatants." In a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld spoke of the harm being done to the country's security, not just by the enemy, but also by what he called "news informers" who needed to be combated in "a contest of wills." Two days earlier, citing speeches critical of Bush by Al Gore, John Kerry, and Howard Dean, conservative columnist Ben Shapiro called for "legislation to prosecute such sedition."
Since 9/11 the Bush administration has implemented a number of inter-related programs, which had been planned for secretly in the 1980s under President Reagan. These so-called "Continuity of Government" or COG proposals included vastly expanded detention capabilities, warrantless eavesdropping and detention, and preparations for greater use of martial law.
North's exercise, which reportedly contemplated possible suspension of the United States Constitution, led to questions being asked during the Iran-Contra Hearings. One concern then was that North's plans for expanded internment and detention facilities would not be confined to "refugees" alone.
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Here is another article from CounterPunch which talks about the $385 Million for concentration camps in the United States of America:
http://www.counterpunch.org/sigal03162006.html
In the article, it states:
The federal government has awarded a $385 million contract for the construction of 'temporary detention facilities' inside the United States as part of the Immigration Service's Detention and Removal Program. The contract was given to Kellogg, Root & Brown, a subsidiary of Halliburton. The camps would be used in the event of an "emergency", said Jamie Zuieback, an Immigration service official.
Here is another article from SourceWatch.com about the same $385 Million Dollar Contract to built the concentration camps in the USA:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title...entration_camps
In the article, it states that:
On January 24, 2006, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) component awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contingency contract to Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown and Root (KBR) to "support ICE facilities in the event of an emergency"—in essence, American concentration camps
With a maximum total value of $385 million over a five-year term, consisting of a one-year based period and four one-year options, the competitively awarded contract will be executed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Fort Worth District. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005.
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Here is another article from Alternet covering the same story about how the government is hiring Halliburton subsidiary KBR with a 385 million contract to build concentration camps all across the United States:
http://www.alternet.org/rights/42458/
In the article, it states that:
The Military Commissions Act of 2006 governing the treatment of detainees is the culmination of relentless fear-mongering by the Bush administration since the September 11 terrorist attacks.
Because the bill was adopted with lightning speed, barely anyone noticed that it empowers Bush to declare not just aliens, but also U.S. citizens, "unlawful enemy combatants."
Bush & Co. has portrayed the bill as a tough way to deal with aliens to protect us against terrorism. Frightened they might lose their majority in Congress in the November elections, the Republicans rammed the bill through Congress with little substantive debate.
Anyone who donates money to a charity that turns up on Bush's list of "terrorist" organizations, or who speaks out against the government's policies could be declared an "unlawful enemy combatant" and imprisoned indefinitely. That includes American citizens.
Kellogg Brown & Root, a subsidiary of Cheney's Halliburton, is constructing a huge facility at an undisclosed location to hold tens of thousands of undesirables.
We can expect Bush to continue to exploit 9/11 to strip us of more of our liberties. Our constitutional right to dissent is in serious jeopardy. Benjamin Franklin's prescient warning should give us pause: "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."
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I saw a bumper sticker once that said..
"WHERE ARE WE GOING? ...AND WHY AM I IN THIS HANDBASKET?"
We may not know what exactly is going wrong all of the time -but we can certainly see that things are going wrong. Any way you slice it, it doesn't bode well for our future....
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Here is another article from MarketWatch covering the same story about how the government is hiring Halliburton subsidiary KBR with a 385 million contract to build concentration camps all across the United States:
http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Stor...77662-858254656
In the article, it states that:
The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency (Which is whatever the government deems it to be), such as a natural disaster, the company said.
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Here is a Pacific News article published in 2006 about a $385 million contract for Halliburton subsidiary KBR to build concentration camps all across the United States:
http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_arti...06fe03f4c9b3a77
In the article, it states that:
Almost no paper so far has discussed the possibility that detention centers could be used to detain American citizens if the Bush administration were to declare martial law.
Plans for detention facilities or camps have a long history, going back to fears in the 1970s of a national uprising by black militants.
After 9/11, new martial law plans began to surface similar to those of FEMA in the 1980s. In January 2002 the Pentagon submitted a proposal for deploying troops on American streets.
It is clear that the Bush administration is thinking seriously about martial law. A multimillion program for detention facilities will greatly increase NORTHCOM's ability to respond to any domestic disorders.
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Anita Ramasastry is a law professor at the University of Washington School of Law in Seattle and a director of the Shidler Center for Law, Commerce & Technology. She is also a regular columnist for the online legal commentary Writ.
Ramasastry earned a B.A. in 1988 from Harvard University, a M.A. in 1990 from University of Sydney, and a J.D. in 1992 from Harvard Law School.
Here is a CNN news article about Ashcrofts plan for detention camps in America done by Anita Ramasastry:
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/08/columns/fl.ramasastry.detainees/
In the article, Anita Ramasastry states:
Attorney General Ashcroft and the White House are considering creating military detention camps for all U.S. citizens deemed by the administration to be enemy combatants.
The internees will be deemed enemy combatants. By whom? By the military alone -- without any right to judicial review in a federal court or otherwise.
The government's position is that its own decision as to who is an enemy combatant is binding on federal courts, and that it need not even offer the courts individualized facts to support particular detention decisions.
We now are faced with a scary prospect -- indefinite detention of multiple citizens because the government decides they are dangerous. The mere suggestion of camps or group detention facilities implies that the Executive is, in fact, considering using its newfound citizen-combatant detention program on a broader scale.
Here is more information about Anita Ramasastry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Ramasastry
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Nat Hentoff (born June 10, 1925) is an American historian, novelist, and columnist for the Village Voice, Legal Times, Washington Times, The Progressive, Editor & Publisher, Free Inquiry and Jewish World Review.
Nat Hentoff received his B.A. with the highest honors from Northeastern University and did graduate work at Harvard. He was a Fulbright fellow at the Sorbonne in Paris in 1950. From 1953 through 1957 he was associate editor of Down Beat magazine. He was awarded a Guggenheim Fellowship in education and an American Bar Association Silver Gavel Award in 1980 for his coverage of the law and criminal justice in his columns. In 1985 he was awarded an honorary Doctorate of Laws by Northeastern University.
Here is an article by Nat Hentoff in the Village Voice in which he also outlines General Ashcroft's plans for Detention Camps in the United States:
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0236,hentoff,38006,6.html
In the article, Hentoff states:
"Now more Americans are also going to be dispossessed of every fundamental legal right in our system of justice and put into camps."
Here is more info about Nat Hentoff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Hentoff
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Than you have to consider that "chaos in the streets" is exactly what certain members of our government are hoping for.
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Camps cramps! Worry about your relationship. But since we are on the subject, I used to hear this preacher who was yakking all about race wars in the U.S. It seemed ridiculous. Now however, with the possibility of Obama, it doesn't seem so remote. I have pondered that if he beats out Hillary, but loses the presidency, that there will be violence on the streets. Incredible! Having lived through some of the things that have happened in the sixties, this seems likely unless we draw near to God, and brother in Christ to brother.
The other thing i have considered is if Obama wins, it is harder to picture what may be, but it is disconcerting to consider that it might not be good. Especially, if some loonie takes him out, or tries, hell will turn loose.
I don't like to speak negatively about him, but sometimes the glitz and glitter of someone who appears charismatic as he does, without revealing more of his substance, is an indication of someone who has a face that does not reveal his inner thinking and motivation. I would like to hear from people who have been around him in years gone by.
It is good for the church to be prepared. Many good people will be blinded by their hopes, and will support someone who is not good for the country until something obviously ugly rears its head to reveal the truth. Then it will likely be too late.
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Here is a copy of an article written by Jonathan Turley of the Los Angeles Times, On August 14th, 2002 entitled Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft’s Hellish Vision:
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/CfCAHV.pdf
In the article, Jonathan Turley writes:
Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft’s announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be "enemy combatants" has moved him from merely being a political embarrassment to being a constitutional menace.
Ashcroft’s plan, disclosed last week but little publicized, would allow him to order the indefinite incarceration of U.S. citizens and summarily strip them of their constitutional rights and access to the courts by declaring them enemy combatants.
The proposed camp plan should trigger immediate congressional hearings and
reconsideration of Ashcroft’s fitness for this important office. Whereas Al Qaeda is a threat to the lives of our citizens, Ashcroft has become a clear and present threat to our liberties.
The camp plan was forged at an optimistic time for Ashcroft’s small inner circle, which has been carefully watching to test cases to see whether this vision could become a reality.
The cases of Jose Padilla and Yaser Esam Hamdi will determine whether U.S. citizens can be held without charges and subject to the arbitrary and unchecked authority of the government.
Jonathan Turley's Blog:
http://jonathanturley.org/
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That is a subject of some controversy -but most see it the way you do. Some who believe such killing does violate the commandment would not be going against their conscience to use less than lethal means -especially prayer, but acting is not out of the question... some will not -out of conscience -become armed policemen or soldiers, for example (nor can one who is a soldier for Christ be an asset who answers first to human government -this would cause the one to be innefectual in both roles -though the powers-that-be could gain serendipitous advantage should they not get in God's way and align themselves with God, rather than trying to manipulate God's people to their own ends -which brings the wrath of God on them -such as in Jeremiah, when the powers-that-were found his prophesying to be inconvenient to their plans -though obviously accurate -and said "report...and we will report it"* -that is -tell us privately and we'll go public with it as we see fit -rather than letting him prophesy openly of the only thing which could save Israel... God's plan is to declare to the people what will be before it happens and to give opportunity to repent -which could avert disaster -Man's plan is to gain exclusive knowledge for advantage, keep people in the dark and easily manipulated -which is part of the reason God has purposed disasters)
What if it happened when you were not around? Would it still be ok to kill them? ..not to be argumentative -just discussing ...and most people thinking something is right is certainly not any criteria to go by.
There are those who are expert not only at war, but the psychological -less openly confrontational -aspects thereof (not always limited to war), and one of their tactics is to coerce by threatening even loved ones, leaving the target little or no defense -putting themselves in a position where you could do nothing, but they could do anything they wanted. We are speaking of killing, but how many people would sin when commanded by men -rather then refusing, praying and trusting God -when their loved ones were not around -but threatened. The inventors of evil are quite crafty, and Satan is very crafty at breaking down one's faith. Cowards rarely leave you the option of kicking their butts, but if they did they might, however, wish they were dead. I do not will any harm, but would defend another if wise -simply not to death -but there is much more to the story -every situation is different. You sin or you don't. For those who believe killing is ok under certain circumstances, they do not sear their conscience, but I do not believe this is as God intends. Be angry -sin not.
There are examples of God telling men to go and kill -but they were just that -I do not see that we now have direct orders to do so.
People will kill -and continue to do so -increasingly -for whatever reason -until Christ rules. I am no judge -this is how I see it after much prayer and very much reason to be humanly justified in killing those who harm my loved ones! If my human nature had its way, there would be a goodly heap of bodies...but.. it is also one of their tactics to cause a person to do just that -and worse. Not to mention I have to deal with people who do harm to me and mine who are themselves threatened -along with their loved ones -though many of the cowards hide behind this excuse. It is difficult to know who to be angry with and who to be understanding with -which is also part of how they break people down.....But vengeance is God's -and the slain of the Lord will be many (Isa 66:16) -that said -I do what I can.
It's really a whole 'nother subject....
(Unfortunately, if rights are continually threatened, and justice scoffed at, we may well have widespread civil disobedience -and full camps. Men think they must control the situation on earth -this always leads to tyranny, corruption and abuse -and it doesn't look as though they will be turning anything over to God willingly. Sad that they ignore the people and build camps to potentially incarcerate them in the eventuality they might disagree. This is not democracy -this is not for, by and of the people. This is not America -even if there were no camps. To say we must be with the powers-that-be or with the terrorists is simplistic and stupid. It's tiring to worry about terrorists and your own government at the same time!
I have a great admiration for those who put themselves at risk to defend others and free a country from tyranny (though I do not believe many soldiers know to what ultimate end they are employed -nor do I think they would agree to it) -but I cannot put myself in the position to kill -it would not be of faith. There is an interesting example in the OT of Moses being overcome with anger at the abuse of his people, and killing a taskmaster -about which God was quite understanding -not saying he was pleased with the act, but he didn't make a great deal of it to Moses -but said he, too, felt for Israel. Moses did not, however, apprently, plan to do so, necessarily think it a viable option beforehand, nor would he probably advise others to do so.)
Not an easy subject...
..it has to do with how you read this verse -and how God intended it -the two might be different...
Luk 3:14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.
-essentially, do not kill, bear false witness, or covet.
*Jer 20:8 For since I spake, I cried out, I cried violence and spoil; because the word of the LORD was made a reproach unto me, and a derision, daily.
Jer 20:9 Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any more in his name. But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay.
Jer 20:10 For I heard the defaming of many, fear on every side. Report, say they, and we will report it. All my familiars watched for my halting, saying, Peradventure he will be enticed, and we shall prevail against him, and we shall take our revenge on him.
Jer 20:11 But the LORD is with me as a mighty terrible one: therefore my persecutors shall stumble, and they shall not prevail: they shall be greatly ashamed; for they shall not prosper: their everlasting confusion shall never be forgotten.
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Ritt Goldstein, an investigative reporter for the Herald, writes that recent pronouncements from the Bush administration and national security initiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment camps and martial law in the United States:
http://www.arizona.indymedia.org/news/2002/08/3646
In the article, Ritt Goldstein writes:
America as you know it is changing dramatically. The democratic freedoms which long defined American life are under siege. Today's Bush administration is moving towards America's military pursuing law enforcement, internment camps are on the horizon, and a member of the US Civil Rights Commission previously broached Arab-American internment.
Hidden behind FEMA’s benevolent face as the body whose chief responsibility is disaster relief, another FEMA exists. It is a FEMA that few know has been “charged by the Bush Administration with leading the nation’s anti-terrorism effort”, and a FEMA whose history includes nightmarish episodes in this vein.
Here is another article by Mr. Goldstein that details plans for Martial Law in the United States which was published in the Sydney, Australia, Morning Herald:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/27/...l?oneclick=true
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Right, and Isaiah, honestly, I can take an enormous amount of punishment.
The only time I would probably ever really kill someone is if they were attempting to hurt a member of my family or someone else in front of me. If someone was attempting to kill someone who I know in front of me, I could not stand by and watch. If it was a family member, I would spill their blood in front of me before I would allow them to hurt my Mother or Sister and such.
I would accept full responsibility for my actions. No matter what the consequences.
When a soldier kills another soldier in battle, no-one second guesses what their fate will be. No-one says, "that soldier is going to hell for eternity now for killing his "enemy" combatant." Quite the opposite in fact. Instead, the soldier is praised by his fellow citizens for serving his country.
When a police-officer kills a criminal in defense in the "line of duty", he is given an award for his efforts, and is potrayed as a hero by his fellow countrymen.
I would expect no less from anyone else on this planet if I killed in defense of my family.
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Those who obey the Father and Christ should certainly think and act differently than most, and do well by pleading -and acting lawfully -against anything which takes away the rights of the poor or vulnerable of his people, or which even threatens rights under the constitution. However, to say that Christ and his church are the enemy of the 'new world order' might give some the wrong impression.
We know that man cannot successfully rule himself, but we are not to be rebels against man's rule -except in a way which is acceptable. It is good to be a voice of reason and to fight for rights in a manner consistent with the commandments and scripture, as well as human law -but we are not to engage in unlawful civil unrest/disobedience. If our leaders ignore the constitution and the law -even God's laws -let God judge them for it -and as these things might have a negative affect on you and yours -as well as those others -be meek, not weak, in fighting for rights.
(Ghandi and M. L. King used nonviolent means, and accomplished much. Others have destroyed themselves and the credibility of their cause by unwise actions.)
Still, if one suggests, promotes or engages in unlawful civil unrest/disobediece or outright rebellion, we not only err, but give some good reason to incarcerate! Such would only further the cause they are against and would not work toward the goal of positive change. The situation in the world is deteriorating, but we should not. We should return good for evil. Many who do well will be persecuted severely -being considered enemies flasely -and have reward, but those who err in such a manner have no reward.
Daniel and his friends did not attempt to overthrow the king, but obeyed God even when threatened with death -though they disobeyed the king -quite politely -when it meant sinning and searing their conscience -and God saved them out of troubles.
To be a soldier for CHRIST is to NOT become entangled in the affairs of this world, though we can act rightly against wrongs.
2Ti 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
2Ti 2:4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
2Ti 2:5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.
and remember.....
Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and HARMLESS AS DOVES.
Mat 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
...meanwhile, we should be certain we are striving to obey and please God -and making sure we are not deceived in our beliefs.
God already has a remedy for man's self-rule and tyranny -the rule of Christ on earth -and we should act as citizens of that kingdom now, though it has not yet come in power and glory. Men -influenced by Satan -will resist this, and hate the followers of God for what God is doing -but we should not give them good reason. Vengeance is God's -we are to be peacemakers. Let him deal with those who resist him.
Dan 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
Dan 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
Dan 11:34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
Dan 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
Unless we turn to God as a nation it is unlikely they will have a chance to use these camps at all -though someone else might.
Isa 10:1 Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees, and that write grievousness which they have prescribed;
Isa 10:2 To turn aside the needy from judgment, and to take away the right from the poor of my people, that widows may be their prey, and that they may rob the fatherless!
Isa 10:3 And what will ye do in the day of visitation, and in the desolation which shall come from far? to whom will ye flee for help? and where will ye leave your glory?
Isa 10:4 Without me they shall bow down under the prisoners, and they shall fall under the slain. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
Dan 11:14 And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.
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Daniel Hamburg is a former Democratic Congressman who was elected to the 1st Congressional District of California in 1992 and also subsequently ran for Governor of California, finishing in 3rd place.
Hamburg co-wrote a well-received recent article carried by the San Francisco Chronicle in which he outlined the program to incarcerate American citizens in internment camps, which have already been publicly built, during a time of declared national emergency.
Here is the article that former Congressman Daniel Hamburg wrote about these "prison" camps for American citizens.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...4/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL
In the article, former Congressman Hamburg states that:
"Since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, arrest a wide swath of dissidents (citizen and noncitizen alike), and detain people without legal or constitutional recourse in the event of "an emergency influx of immigrants in the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs."
But I have already stated before that I think what the government claims these camps are for and what they are really for is two different things. They aren't permanently for illegal aliens because our government is currently pushing for the SPPA. A "north-american partnership" AKA North American Union AKA Open borders policy.
And again, they are not just being built in the USA, they are being built all over the World.
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Very good links Because. Thanks for posting them.
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The odd thing about these camps being built in the name of terrorism, and that American terrorists will be the occupants, there are new laws that have been passed that would consider Christians as terrorists.
Mark 13:9
9."But watch out for yourselves, for they will deliver you up to councils, and you will be beaten in the synagogues. You will be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony to them.
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Congressman Jim McDermot made a speech about the "internment camps" and the rounding up of American citizens during Martial Law in the United States:
http://www.house.gov/mcdermott/sp030311.shtml
In the speech, Congressman Jim McDermot said:
"From 1982 to 1984, Colonel Oliver North assisted FEMA in drafting its civil defense preparations. Details of those plans emerged during the 1987 Iran-Contra scandal. They included executive orders providing for suspension of the Constitution, the imposition of martial law, internment camps, and the turning over of government to the President and FEMA."
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Here is a video that shows Oliver North being questioned about the "continuity of government" that could end up placing millions of Americans in FEMA concentration camps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug0IL7k3elQ
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Good post Isaiah.
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I don't theorize about conspiracy -I've seen it in action, but .....Consider L.A.
One incident sparked a horrific riot. Certainly, other factors brought the situation to the point of igniting, but..... for some time police could not even enter the riot zone. The anger felt over the mistreatment of one man led some to lash out in anger -then complete madness ensued -leaving about 51 PEOPLE DEAD -many injured -and much property destroyed -with no viable way for authorites to act. How many of you would have flagged down a FEMA van or hopped a FEMA train?
In such a situation, a camp like the ones shown -and even less-than-lethal military involvement -could have been to the benefit of even those who participated in the riot -not to mention those who had nothing on their minds but getting through another ordinary day -but who are now dead or injured -or whose family members are now dead or injured -or those who lost their property and livelihoods.
The potential exists for these to be used in almost any way -and some very well may have in mind to use them to potentially subdue a majority not in agreement with the path a minority has chosen for it. The potential also exists -should we ever be invaded -that the invading force could use them to detain us.
However -the camps do nothing of themselves.
It is what is happening in peoples' minds which should concern us most -even in our own mind. We do not want to be detained, but we also do not want to increase the likelihood of these camps being used to detain us. Those in Los Angeles might have started with good principles in their minds or hearts -equality and fair treatment -being right even to be angry -but what happened was not consistent with those principles. We are told...Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Eph 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.
We should certainly plead the cause of any who are mistreated. We should certainly be wary of those who lead us in directions we would rather not go as a nation. We can even be absolutely certain that where man is involved in a matter there will be corruption and foul play... and I know all too well how a facility which seems innocent and justified -and is so under normal circumstances -can be used for extremely sinister purposes... and that those who would do such -and conspire to do such -can be found in every part of society....
...but what should we do?
Eph 4:28-32 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
2Co 10:3-4 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
Isa 1:16-17 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
Rom 13:1-3 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Now...we know the above is not the whole story -nor was it meant to be -some rulers are terrors to good works! However, our role is the same. We can be a force for positive change -but we are not to be rebels or incite riot. Meek does not mean weak. I can't remember the exact scripture -but one of the apostles was being mistreated by representatives of the Roman government -and in response he informed them they were violating his rights as a Roman citizen. Rome actually took such things rather seriously, as I understand it, and they might have found themselves in quite a bit of trouble. You can fight for your rights -better yet, those of another -and still turn the other cheek.
Even so... you can't believe what Christ says and also believe that things will not get worse.
No matter how far off one might think his return to be, what is prophesied between now and then is a downward spiral toward man nearly destroying all flesh on the planet -I will not say sooth -IF GOD DID NOT CUT THOSE DAYS SHORT WE WOULD DESTROY ALL LIFE!
We should be making things better -but understand that God will soon make it perfect.
Meanwhile -our orders have not changed.
Here is a link -with links therein to information about the camps with a bit less theatrics involved -(I like rock and roll or whatever they call it these days -but not as a background to news.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84
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Here is the actual United States Homeland Security document that outlines the plan to build "Detention Camps" all around the United States:
http://cryptogon.com/docs/endgame.pdf
It doesn't get any better than the actual document folks.
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Here are two videos of an "internment camp" in Texas:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TxYxTly-yo8&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mntQogvuRI8&feature=related
The privatized Hutto "jail", which is also administered by Homeland Security and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), contains more than just people who came over the boarder illegally. In fact, here is an article about palestinian refugees and CHILDREN being held in that camp:
http://www.counterpunch.org/moses12192006.html
In fact, Most of them are families including pregnant women and children who have never been accused of any wrongdoing but are forced to endure squalid conditions inside literal concentration camps.
Allied to the burgeoning growth of the prison industry and future plans to detain American citizens on masse, new plans have revived the potential scope of the camp, and a new contract to intern 600 individuals was finalized with immigration authorities in December 2005.
The facility is euphemistically called a "Residential Center," yet charges of overcrowding and poor conditions are rife, with an estimated 645 people filling a facility that has only 512 beds, as this article from the Texas Civil Rights Review clearly states -
http://texascivilrightsreview.org/phpnuke/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=708
Innocent children should not be jailed and forced to live under traumatizing and dehumanizing conditions. Plain and simple. Suspicions will undoubtedly be cast as to whether the facility in Tyler is part of a wider agenda to set up a network of internment camps that will be used to forcibly detain American citizens under emergency provisions. And I think all Americans should be concerned when these camps are popping up everywhere.
People, please. The government can eventually use them for whatever they want to. How many need to be built before we all stop them?
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One purpose of such camps might just be to house our homeless selves when -say -another Katrina hits -which is not a bad idea! Better than a nation full of angry, disgusted, and might I sadly add...unneccesarily dead -people. Did we not demand such forethought?
Can they eventually be used for things which are not in the best interest of U.S. citizens and their beloved country as described in the constitution, etc...perhaps even by other powers who might gain control of them? Sure -but no more or less than any other faciltity or resource.
I am not saying there are not people who would gladly detain and even 're-educate' those who oppose the powers-that-be and their present course -nor do I think it out of the realm of possibility that some -honorable or not -could have a hand in planning such facilites to detain those who participate in a possible enemy uprising from within or without -as refugee camps for foreigners ....or perhaps even eventual civil disobedience or unrest by those who disagree here or protest or riot violently -or for whatever reason. I, personally, have not seen any of these camps, but I have met some seriously freaked-out and disturbed individuals who have more power than the average person would feel comfortable with ..(and who knows who or what motivates them?) -but I know also that many decent people are trying to prevent any unforseen disaster from being any worse than it need be.
These times are stressful and dangerous -it is difficult for those in power to be as wary as necessary and as considerate of our comfort as we would like. Some are not honorable -some are very honorable. We should be concerned and express our concerns -and it is not wrong to be angry (but sin not) -but we should not give the dishonorable, the misguided, any potential enemy or Satan any place by freaking out ourselves.
You'd better believe there are enemies out there trying to take advantage of every last thing we do, say and think in order to bring us down -and your vision may be clearer than those in power about certain things -our leaders can be duped as others have been throughout history and our plans for security and cooperation can be turned against us -we should certainly be wary of how much power we give to others and of any plans involving powers which might not have our best interest at heart -we should very much be wary of any who might "destroy" "by peace"....
but...
God declared the end from the beginning -scripture says the only way any of the unpleasant parts he has purposed can be averted is by obeying him (though when men cause the unpleasantness, it is not wrong to plead the case -especially for the sake of another) We can't make others obey God -but we can do so ourselves -if we don't, we should see to our own faults first.
As a nation we should be certain we are honorable and not hypocritical -in industry, government, and security -then God will direct and secure our paths...
Isa 10:1-3 Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees, and that write grievousness which they have prescribed; To turn aside the needy from judgment, and to take away the right from the poor of my people, that widows may be their prey, and that they may rob the fatherless! And what will ye do in the day of visitation, and in the desolation which shall come from far? to whom will ye flee for help? and where will ye leave your glory?
as individuals we should remember...
Jam 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
All that said....unless we all have spare rooms and a bunch of hospitality -we need SOME FACILITIES -and, due to human nature, they might need to be rather secure.
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Most people (Christians) included can not imagine people so wicked as to torture and detain others that will not conform to their agenda!
but it has happen before in many other places, Hitler's Germany being one of the most well know...
and it will happen here in America very soon I fear.
I look at George Bush's beady eyes and I see another Hitler…
But I also see the same thing when I see Bill, Clinton, Hilary Clinton, Obama, Senator Kennedy, or any of the other Politicians in Washington DC …
I am not a rapture escapist but I do pray Lord Yeshua please come quickly.
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Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )
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Here is a very interesting video of "camps" that are being built around the United States of America.
I recommend that for those who wish to respond to my question, that those people click on the following link and watch this video before giving an answer. That way they will better understand the question.
http://www.infowars.com/?p=215
My question is simple. Does anyone have a logical explanation for what the places in the video are, why they exist, what they are being built for, who runs them, and why there are new things being added to them, ect. ect?
I am most interested to see what anybodies theories are.
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