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Found in Him wrote that Jesus, with His wounds if they are still there, would still be quote:
Perfect no matter what!
Absolutely. VERY HANDSOME and GLORIOUS both ways.
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Perfect no matter what!
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~To Him That is able to keep you from falling and to present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy...to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.~ Jude 24
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sure, but pride goes before the fall if they are YOUR scars in your legs or in your knees or your feet. SCARS are nice...but I would rather "be handsome". But I'm sure that Jesus is VERY HANDSOME even with His Scars. Or are the wounds OPEN??? Stick here your finger???
love, Eden
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well, to each his own. I have scars that I am proud of.
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On the other hand, once the Prince of Peace walks around on the earth ruling over the nations beginning from Jerusalem, He does not need to be walking around with those wounds, does He?
I mean, it would be okay with me, and maybe humanity would need the reminder? There is definitely a theme of REMEMBER in the Bible, I think that God knows that man's memory is woefully short.
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Thank you! He is my best Friend.
The only scrip I know in Rev regarding scars is:
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
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Jhn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.
Eight days later:
Jhn 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: [then] came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace [be] unto you. Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
So yes, I think maybe so. I hope so for the simple fact that when we see them, we are reminded of the love that nailed our sins to the cross. They are scars of unspeakable love.
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Hi, Found in Him, I agree with you that Jesus Christ was WAY MORE than the Lamb. The list that you posted before that I downloaded about Him attested to that, and your new list does too. Jesus as the Lamb was one phase of the life of Jesus.
Although I do think that the Bible says in Revelation about the Lamb "keeping His wounds", or not? Do you know where that is, Found in Him?
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Yahsway, becausehelives, Eden, Clyde & Myself.... Just a reminder, Jesus Christ is MORE than The Lamb. Our focus is to be on The Lord -period. He is The One revealed period. We have NO connection to The Father without bowing before "The LORD" We are nothing without Him and ONLY THROUGH Him can we be ANYTHING. All praise, honor and Glory belong TO HIM and IN HIM dwells all the Fullness of The Godhead!
Jesus said that He must be first in our life-- period...
Do we really love Jesus? The Bible says:
"If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maran-atha." (1 Corinthians 16:22)
"He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." (Matthew 10:37)
"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26)
John 5:22–23 (NKJV)
22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
IF we love Him, We honor Him--Period.
No Child of His should ever have to feel that they must defend His Deity! He needs NO defense. THE FATHER has [displayed]....HIM (JESUS)
JESUS IS:
* In Genesis, Jesus Christ is the seed of the woman.
* In Exodus, He is the passover lamb.
* In Leviticus, He is our high priest.
* In Numbers, He is the pillar of cloud by day and the pillar of fire by night.
* In Deuteronomy, He is the prophet like unto Moses.
* In Joshua, He is the captain of our salvation.
* In Judges, He is our judge and lawgiver.
* In Ruth, He is our kinsman redeemer.
* In 1st and 2nd Samuel, He is our trusted prophet.
* In Kings and Chronicles, He is our reigning king.
* In Ezra, He is the rebuilder of the broken down walls of human life.
* In Esther, He is our Mordecai.
* In Job, He is our ever-living redeemer.
* In Psalms, He is our shepherd.
* In Proverbs and Ecclesiastes, He is our wisdom.
* In the Song of Solomon, He is the loving bridegroom.
* In Isaiah, He is the prince of peace.
* In Jeremiah, He is the righteous branch.
* In Lamentations, He is our weeping prophet.
* In Ezekiel, He is the wonderful four-faced man.
* In Daniel, He is the forth man in life's "fiery furnace."
* In Hosea, He is the faithful husband, forever married to the backslider.
* In Joel, He is the baptizer with the Holy Ghost and fire.
* In Amos, He is our burden-bearer.
* In Obadiah, He is the mighty to save.
* In Jonah, He is our great foreign missionary.
* In Micah, He is the messenger of beautiful feet.
* In Nahum, He is the avenger of God's elect.
* In Habakkuk, he is God's evangelist, crying, "revive thy work in the midst of the years."
* In Zephaniah, He is our Saviour.
* In Haggai, He is the restorer of God's lost heritage.
* In Zechariah, He is the fountain opened up in the house of David for sin and uncleanness.
* In Malachi, He is the Sun of Righteousness, rising with healing in His wings.
* In Matthew, He is King of the Jews.
* In Mark, He is the Servant.
* In Luke, He is the Son of Man, feeling what you feel.
* In John, He is the Son of God.
* In Acts, He is the Savior of the world.
* In Romans, He is the righteousness of God.
* In I Corinthians, He is the Rock that followed Israel.
* In II Corinthians, He is the Triumphant One, giving victory.
* In Galatians, He is your liberty; He sets you free.
* In Ephesians, He is Head of the Church.
* In Philippians, He is your joy.
* In Colossians, He is your completeness.
* In 1st and 2nd Thessalonians, He is your hope.
* In I Timothy, He is your faith.
* In II Timothy, He is your stability.
* In Philemon, He is your Benefactor.
* In Titus, He is truth.
* In Hebrews, He is your perfection.
* In James, he is the Power behind your faith.
* In I Peter, He is your example.
* In II Peter, He is your purity.
* In I John, He is your life.
* In II John, He is your pattern.
* In III John, He is your motivation.
* In Jude, He is the foundation of your faith.
* In Revelation, He is your SOON coming King.
o He is the First and Last, the Beginning and the End!
o He is the keeper of Creation and the Creator of all!
o He is the Architect of the universe and the Manager of all times.
o He always was, He always is, and He always will be...
o Unmoved, Unchanged, Undefeated, and never Undone!
o He was bruised and brought healing!
o He was pierced and eased pain!
o He was persecuted and brought freedom!
o He was dead and brought life!
o He is risen and brings power!
o He reigns and brings Peace!
o The world can't understand him,
o The armies can't defeat Him,
o The schools can't explain Him, and
o The leaders can't ignore Him.
o Herod couldn't kill Him,
o The Pharisees couldn't confuse Him, and
o The people couldn't hold Him!
o Nero couldn't crush Him,
o Hitler couldn't silence Him,
o The New Age can't replace Him, and
o Donahue can't explain Him away!
o He is light, love, longevity, and Lord.
o He is goodness, Kindness, Gentleness, and God.
o He is Holy, Righteous, mighty, powerful, and pure.
o His ways are right, His word is eternal,
o His will is unchanging, and His mind is on me.
o He is my Redeemer, He is my Savior,
o He is my guide, and He is my peace!
o He is my Joy, He is my comfort,
o He is my Lord, and He rules my life!
Advocate (1 John 2:1)
Almighty (Rev. 1:8; Mt. 28:18)
Alpha and Omega (Rev. 1:8; 22:13)
Amen (Rev. 3:14)
Apostle of our Profession (Heb. 3:1)
Atoning Sacrifice for our Sins (1 John 2:2)
Author of Life (Acts 3:15)
Author and Perfecter of our Faith (Heb. 12:2)
Author of Salvation (Heb. 2:10)
Beginning and End (Rev. 22:13)
Blessed and only Ruler (1 Tim. 6:15)
Bread of God (John 6:33)
Bread of Life (John 6:35; 6:48)
Bridegroom (Mt. 9:15)
Capstone (Acts 4:11; 1 Pet. 2:7)
Chief Cornerstone (Eph. 2:20)
Chief Shepherd (1 Pet. 5:4)
Christ (1 John 2:22)
Creator (John 1:3)
Deliverer (Rom. 11:26)
Eternal Life (1 John 1:2; 5:20)
Faithful and True (Rev. 19:11)
Faithful Witness (Rev. 1:5)
Faithful and True Witness (Rev. 3:14)
First and Last (Rev. 1:17; 2:8; 22:13)
Firstborn From the Dead (Rev. 1:5)
Firstborn over all creation (Col. 1:15)
Gate (John 10:9)
God (John 1:1; 20:28; Heb. 1:8; Rom. 9:5; 2 Pet. 1:1;1 John 5:20; etc.)
Good Shepherd (John 10:11,14)
Great Shepherd (Heb. 13:20)
Great High Priest (Heb. 4:14)
Head of the Church (Eph. 1:22; 4:15; 5:23)
Heir of all things (Heb. 1:2)
High Priest (Heb. 2:17)
Holy and True (Rev. 3:7)
Holy One (Acts 3:14)
Hope (1 Tim. 1:1)
Hope of Glory (Col. 1:27)
Horn of Salvation (Luke 1:69)
I Am (John 8:58)
Image of God (2 Cor. 4:4)
Immanuel (Mt. 1:23)
Judge of the living and the dead (Acts 10:42)
King Eternal (1 Tim. 1:17)
King of Israel (John 1:49)
King of the Jews (Mt. 27:11)
King of kings (1 Tim 6:15; Rev. 19:16)
King of the Ages (Rev. 15:3)
Lamb (Rev. 13:8)
Lamb of God (John 1:29)
Lamb Without Blemish (1 Pet. 1:19)
Last Adam (1 Cor. 15:45)
Life (John 14:6; Col. 3:4)
Light of the World (John 8:12)
Lion of the Tribe of Judah (Rev. 5:5)
Living One (Rev. 1:18)
Living Stone (1 Pet. 2:4)
Lord (2 Pet. 2:20)
Lord of All (Acts 10:36)
Lord of Glory (1 Cor. 2:8)
Lord of lords (Rev. 19:16)
Man from Heaven (1 Cor. 15:48)
Mediator of the New Covenant (Heb. 9:15)
Mighty God (Isa. 9:6)
Morning Star (Rev. 22:16)
Offspring of David (Rev. 22:16)
Only Begotten Son of God (John 1:18; 1 John 4:9)
Our Great God and Savior (Titus 2:13)
Our Holiness (1 Cor. 1:30)
Our Husband (2 Cor. 11:2)
Our Protection (2 Thess. 3:3)
Our Redemption (1 Cor. 1:30)
Our Righteousness (1 Cor. 1:30)
Our Sacrificed Passover Lamb (1 Cor. 5:7)
Power of God (1 Cor. 1:24)
Precious Cornerstone (1 Pet. 2:6)
Prophet (Acts 3:22)
Rabbi (Mt. 26:25)
Resurrection and Life (John 11:25)
Righteous Branch (Jer. 23:5)
Righteous One (Acts 7:52; 1 John 2:1)
Rock (1 Cor. 10:4)
Root of David (Rev. 5:5; 22:16)
Ruler of God’s Creation (Rev. 3:14)
Ruler of the Kings of the Earth (Rev. 1:5)
Savior (Eph. 5:23; Titus 1:4; 3:6; 2 Pet. 2:20)
Son of David (Lk. 18:39)
Son of God (John 1:49; Heb. 4:14)
Son of Man (Mt. 8:20)
Son of the Most High God (Lk. 1:32)
Source of Eternal Salvation for all who obey him (Heb. 5:9)
The One Mediator (1 Tim. 2:5)
The Stone the builders rejected (Acts 4:11)
True Bread (John 6:32)
True Light (John 1:9)
True Vine (John 15:1)
Truth (John 1:14; 14:6)
Way (John 14:6)
Wisdom of God (1 Cor. 1:24)
Word (John 1:1)
Word of God (Rev. 19:13)
Let's lift Him up, NOT try to limit Him or restrain Him to one title.
He is WHO The Father has given... He WILL be honored! The FATHER will see to that!
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Dearest Brother Clyde, you have such a sweet spirit. You know, Yeshua Is the Lamb slain from the very beginning, even before creation. He is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world!
1 Peter 1:20
He (Yeshua) was foreordained before the foundation of the world....
He was and always will be the Lamb of God.
Shalom My Friend
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This is not to take away from the deity of the Word, as He is ever God, but His role as the Lamb (not forgotten as such) will have been completed.
I deepy apologize for making this statement and have asked God for forgiveness. After searching the Bible for the word "Lamb", I was led to understand that the role of the Son as Lamb shall never cease as He will sit in the Kingdom as the Lamb upon His throne, right next to the throne of God. (Rev 22:3). What I was trying to express is that all things will return back to the Father as was orginally meant in the creation. Again, I apologize.
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humbled himself
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G5013&t=KJV
to make low, bring low
to level, reduce to a plain
Yahshua was fully God in Heaven with The Father from the beginning....
Yahshua is fully God in Heaven with The Father now...
but while on earth Yahshua was a man.....Yahshua was also God manifest in flesh during His life on Earth (Isaiah 7:14, 9:6,7; Matthew 1:18-25; John 1:1,2, 14:1; 1 Timothy 3:16). That is Jesus has never stopped being God.
but as God/man Yahshua limited Himself to live only as a man.......
Yahshua lived out His life in this body of clay to demonstrate what can be done by a man or woman yielded totally to the Holy Spirit.....
Yahshua's over coming temptations are worthless to the human race if He accomplished them as GOD.....
Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest Who is unable to understand and sympathize and have a shared feeling with our weaknesses and infirmities and liability to the assaults of temptation, but One Who has been tempted in every respect as we are, yet without sinning.
The child of Yahweh is saved by the Blood of Yahshua and he Blood alone....
but if the child of Yahweh lives a victorious Christian Life, it is by the Power of the indwelling Holy Spirit....this is the lesson we learn from Yahshua the man....
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BlueFrog,
I will never get over wanting to be with Jesus. The more I serve Him, the longer I long to see His face. Yes, I agree while we are on earth we need to work for God. That is why Monday and Tuesday ever week we pick up the bread for the area Ministry that feeds the hungry. But if Jesus comes tonight, it will not be too soon.
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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BETTY LOUISE AND MR NIVENS....Now, how do you suppose that the Lord can bring the church home every day ? LOL I had to say that, don't ya know ?
Sorry, but it won't be soon. Meanwhile, like Paul said, we may prefer to be with the Lord but while here we need to get over it and do our goodest glorifying Him as long as we can.
Does Mr Nivens and Sweet Pea plan to go with you?
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Found in Him....Wait til you get my age. Getting on your knees means more knee surgery, cains, walkers, pain pills and no more joggin.
He understands.
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I pray that God brings the Church home every day.
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Betty,
Can't you just wait until the day that EVERY knee bows?? I can't wait!
Oh Yes! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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It is further interesting that to God the Father, Jesus is the Prince. God the Father is the King and Jesus is the Prince in heaven, and Jesus will also be the Prince to His Father later on earth when He begins to rule over the nations from Jerusalem.
But as to the kings of the earth, Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords, but even while Jesus is on earth, Jesus will remain the Prince to His Father, as judged from Ezekiel 40-48.
Ezekiel 45:16
All the people of the land shall give this oblation for the prince in Israel.
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FoundInHim, Yes, Yeshua is God from everlasting to everlasting, but who is His Father. Who sent Him?
Whom are we to be Reconciled to? Who loved the world so much that they sent their Son to die for it?
Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm (Yeshua) of the Lord(Yah) been revealed?
John 12:44
Then Yeshua cried out and said, "He who believes in Me, believes not in Me, but in HIM(God the Father) who sent Me.
v49 "For I have NOT spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a COMMAND, what I should say and what I should speak.
And I,Yeshua,know that His (Fathers) command is Everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."
This is what makes God the Father and Yeshua "Echad" hebrew for ONE.
In Genesis 1:26 we read: Then God(SINGULAR) said, "Let Us (plural) make man in our(plural) image.
God creates man as male and female, NOT a solitary individual, but two people, but the two are nevertheless "One"(Gen 2:24)
It is the same with the Godhead. Yeshua left His abode in heaven to do the WILL of the Father, for they are Echad. One!
Anyway, becauseHeLives did a better job explaining this in another post.
After the 1000 year reign with our Lord and King Yeshua here on this earth, Yeshua will hand ALL things back to the Father who as scripture says "God HIMSELF" (Singular) will come down to a new earth from heaven with the New Jerusalem.
Indeed, most people missed the point why the Word became flesh. He came to reconcile us to the LORD, that is, God the Father in the New Testament. Jesus Himself prayed to the Father. It was the Father who said, "Sat at my right hand until I have made your enemies as a footstoll for your feet." And once this is done, all things shall be given back unto the Father. This is not to take away from the deity of the Word, as He is ever God, but His role as the Lamb (not forgotten as such) will have been completed. And in that day, He shall present us as His own beloved children unto the Father. All which the Christ has done was meant to bring us back to the LORD.
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Found in Him wrote quote:
I condemn no one ... By your own words you will be justified or condemned.
So what do you call this that you wrote to Eden? quote:
You hit it on the head Betty...False religion!
I don't feel sorry for those folks, it makes me sick.
And then there was this little tidbit which you said to one of Eden's posts, quote:
"it DISGUSTS me!"
How sweet it is! You might as well have said straightout to Eden, "YOU disgust me!", instead of "tippy-toeing" around the issue by using the safe "it" instead, as in, "IT disgusts me". ![[crying]](graemlins/crying.gif) Now I'm an "it"!
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I condemn no one.
By your own words you will be justified or condemned.
37 “For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
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Found in Him wrote quote:
Words Reveal Character
I know the routine, Found in Him...you're better and we're worse. But you sound very Michael Harrison-ish when you do that.
Whatever happened to, "Lord, have mercy ON ME a sinner?"
Instead you are acting like a Pharisee, "Lord, I thank You that I AM NOT LIKE OTHER MEN ARE..." (as in, "I thank You, Lord, that I DO NOT HAVE A BAD A CHARACTER as becauseHElives and as that Eden has...he is the worst ... I tell You, Lord, he DISGUSTS me")
Luke 18:11
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank You, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
13 But the publican, standing afar off, would not so much as lift up his eyes to heaven, but smote on his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, THIS MAN went down to his house JUSTIFIED rather than the other...
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hey becauseHElives, I liked your list of things that Jesus was emptied of, very nice.
love, Eden
Words Reveal Character
33 “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit. 34 “You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart. 35 “The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil. 36 “But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. 37 “For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
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hey becauseHElives, I liked your list of things that Jesus was emptied of, very nice.
love, Eden
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Friend, Jesus is what you got!
IF you have seen HIM, You have seen the Father!
I'm not sure just exactly what your point is suppose to be... but I assure you, Jesus is the only point!
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FoundInHim, Yes, Yeshua is God from everlasting to everlasting, but who is His Father. Who sent Him?
Whom are we to be Reconciled to? Who loved the world so much that they sent their Son to die for it?
Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm (Yeshua) of the Lord(Yah) been revealed?
John 12:44
Then Yeshua cried out and said, "He who believes in Me, believes not in Me, but in HIM(God the Father) who sent Me.
v49 "For I have NOT spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a COMMAND, what I should say and what I should speak.
And I,Yeshua,know that His (Fathers) command is Everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."
This is what makes God the Father and Yeshua "Echad" hebrew for ONE.
In Genesis 1:26 we read: Then God(SINGULAR) said, "Let Us (plural) make man in our(plural) image.
God creates man as male and female, NOT a solitary individual, but two people, but the two are nevertheless "One"(Gen 2:24)
It is the same with the Godhead. Yeshua left His abode in heaven to do the WILL of the Father, for they are Echad. One!
Anyway, becauseHeLives did a better job explaining this in another post.
After the 1000 year reign with our Lord and King Yeshua here on this earth, Yeshua will hand ALL things back to the Father who as scripture says "God HIMSELF" (Singular) will come down to a new earth from heaven with the New Jerusalem.
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He is "interpreted" to be GOD from everlasting to everlasting!
"Thus saith The Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer The Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside Me there is no God." (Isaiah 44:6 KJV)
Isaiah 46:9
Remember what I accomplished in antiquity! 1 Truly I am God, I have no peer; 2 I am God, and there is none like me,
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FoundInHim, I am not arguing with you about Yeshua diety. I too believe He was/Is the Son of God before He came to earth, I believe He was/Is the Son of God while on earth, and I believe He continues to be The Son of God forever.
I was just pointing out my interpretation of the verse in Romans 1:4 which is that Yeshua was DECLARED to be the Son of God BY HIS RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD. Not before He died.
Thats how I interpret that one verse. It does not say that He was declared to be the Son of God before the crucifixon while He walked the earth(although I believe He was).
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"For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God," (John 5:18, NASB)
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HE WAS GOD BEFORE HE CAME, WHILE HE WAS HERE AND NOW SITTING AT THE FATHERS RIGHT HAND.
WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?
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Romans 1:4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, BY the Resurrection from the dead.
Okay, it seems to me this verse is saying, i believe, that though Yeshua has eternally been the Son of God(John 1:1-3 17:5, 24), in His new role as God-Man He was clearly Declared to be the Son of God BY His Resurrection or after His resurrection that is.
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Jesus was not equal with the Father while on Earth, Found in Him
This is a LIE becausehelives...
"For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God," (John 5:18, NASB).
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.....for us as humans to have any hope of being like Jesus in this body of flesh, we have to understand Jesus became like us in every way while He was on Earth,
Jesus humbled Himself in a flesh body and OVERCAME EVERY temptation of sin.
YOU or I will NEVER do that!!! There is ONE Jesus friend!
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A. Jesus Christ emptied Himself of the following:
1. Equality with God the Father (Philippians 2:6,7; John 14:28; 1 Corinthians 11:3).
READ THE FOLLOWING:
Phl 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
I could go on for THREE days and prove you wrong on everything you have listed up above-- But I'm not gonna waste my time if you can't believe that HE WAS WHO He said He was.
Limiting Him is no less than denying Him.
Close your eyes in prayer and ask The Father just what HE has to say about that!
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becausehelives...What are you doing? I WILL NOT "reconsider" my statement...neither will you steal HIS glory!
Jhn 8:24
"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."
He humbled Himself-- He DID NOT EMPTY Himself of WHO HE WAS!!!!
Go learn WHO He is.
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Found in Him ....and You are wrong Eden! To deny that Jesus had the power to forgive sins, to heal, to deliver, to be equal with The Father while on Earth is denying His deity! You're in error in your thinking. Don't let Satan fill your mind with that Eden-- It opposes God's Spirit and you need to repent of it.
Jesus was not equal with the Father while on Earth, Found in Him , you need to reconsider your statement.....for us as humans to have any hope of being like Jesus in this body of flesh, we have to understand Jesus became like us in every way while He was on Earth, that disciples might understand the Power of the holy Spirit is what enables us to do the things He did and live the victrous life He lived and dsires for us.....
A. Jesus Christ emptied Himself of the following:
1. Equality with God the Father (Philippians 2:6,7; John 14:28; 1 Corinthians 11:3).
2. God-form or God body, the spirit body that He lived in from eternity, to take human-form (Philippians 2:6-8, 3:21; Matthew 1:18-25; Luke 1:35; John 1:14; Luke 24: 37-40; Zechariah 13:6 Galatians 4:4; Romans 8:3).
3. Immortality of body (1 Corinthians 15:3; Psalms 16:10; 1 Peter 2:24, 3:18).
4. The glory that He had with the Father before the world (John 12:23, 17:5; Matthew 16:27; Philippians 2:5-11).
5. His authority in Heaven and in Earth, which was given back to Him after the resurrection (Matthew 28:18; Philippians 2:9-11; Ephesians 1:20-23; 1 Peter 3:22)
6. His divine attributes and outward powers that He had with the Father from eternity (John 2:11, 3:34; Isaiah 11:1,2, 42:1-7; 61:1,2; Luke 3:21,22; 4:16-21; Matthew 12:28, Acts 10:38).
B. The Holy Spirit ministered through Jesus while He was on Earth
Jesus had no power to do miracles while on Earth until He received the Holy Spirit in all fullness (John 2:11, 3:34; Isaiah 11:1,2, 42:1-7; 61:1,2, Luke 3:21,22, 4:16-21, Matthew 12:28, Acts 10:38).
1. He was limited to the status of a man (Philippians 2:6-8, Hebrews 2:14-18, 5:8-9).
2. He was God’s agent using God’s power of attorney (Acts 10:38)
a. The Son can do nothing of Himself (John 5:17,19, 8:18)
b. I can of Mine own self do nothing (John 5:30)
c. I seek not Mine own will, but the will of the Father (John 5:30, 6:38).
d. My doctrine is not mine, but His that sent me (John 7:16; 8:26, 38).
e. I do nothing of Myself (John 8:28).
f. I do always those things that please Him (John 8:29).
g. I came from God, neither came I of Myself (John 8:42, 16:28).
h. I seek not Mine own glory (John 8:50, 54).
i. I have not spoken of myself, but the Father gave me commandment what to speak (John 12:49,50, 14:10).
j. My words are not Mine, but the Father does the works (John 10:25,37,38; 14:10,11).
3. He was our example that we should walk in His steps (1Peter 2:21).
4. The temptations prove that He was limited as a man so that He could overcome as a man and not as God (Hebrews 4:14-16, 5:7-9).
5. Isaiah speaks of the Messiah being born without knowledge enough to know to refuse the evil and choose the good (Isaiah 7:14-16).
6. Isaiah speaks of the Messiah being limited as an ordinary baby, showing that God would give him the Spirit of wisdom, understanding, counsel, might, knowledge, and fear of the Lord. He had laid down these attributes as God from all eternity when He became man (Isaiah 11:2, 53:1-12).
7. Isaiah predicted that He would be born without the tongue of the learned, without knowing how to speak a word in season to help any soul, and that He would be wakened day by day to increase in knowledge and wisdom (Isaiah 50:4-11).
8. Isaiah speaks of the Messiah receiving His power to manifest divine acts by the anointing of the Holy Spirit and not by retaining His own former natural attributes and powers as God. If it was necessary to anoint Jesus during His earthly life, then it proves He did not retain His former glory and attributes which He had from all eternity when He emptied Himself to become like men in all things (Isaiah 42: 1-7, 61:1,2; Philippians 2:6-8; Hebrew 2:14-18, 5:8-9).
9. History records that Christ was limited as a baby and grew in body, soul, spirit, grace, wisdom, stature, and favor with God and man. Even after His manhood, His full anointing, and gifts of the Spirit He was still limited in knowledge (1 Corinthians 2:11, Luke 2:40,52). He even learned obedience by the things He suffered (Hebrews 4:14-16, 5:7-9).
10. Jesus did not claim the attributes of God, but only the anointing of the Spirit to do His works (John 8:28; Matthew 12:28; Luke 4:16-21). Others stated that the Holy Spirit was the source of His power (John 3:34; Acts 10:38).
11. The fact that Jesus Christ promised all believers powers to do the works He did proves that it was through the anointing of the Spirit, not by His deity and natural attributes, that He did His works (Matthew 10:1-20, 16:18, 18:18; Luke 10:1-24, 24:49; Mark 16: 15-20; John 14:12-15; Acts 1:4-8).
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He was The God/Man. NOT half God-- God WITH us in flesh.
. . . the gospel of God, which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh, who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord, (NASB) Romans 1:1-4
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13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
The description "Son of Man" was a Messianic title. Jesus is the one who was given dominion and glory and a kingdom. When Jesus used this phrase related to Himself, He was assigning the “Son of Man” prophecy to Himself. The Jews of that era would have been intimately familiar with the phrase and to whom it referred. He was proclaiming Himself as the Messiah.
He is The Messiah-- He is The Son of God-- He is and was and forever is-- God.
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Luke 1:35
And the angel to her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Matthew 14:33
Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth You are the Son of God.
Mark 1:1
The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
But:
Matthew 17:22
And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men.
Matthew 18:11
For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
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...and You are wrong Eden! To deny that Jesus had the power to forgive sins, to heal, to deliver, to be equal with The Father while on Earth is denying His deity! You're in error in your thinking. Don't let satan fill your mind with that Eden-- It opposes God's Spirit and you need to repent of it.
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I have already modified my original idea in my Topic by saying that:
Jesus was the Son of God at all times from birth unto death, except that Jesus NEVER ACTED from His capacity as the Son of God and that Jesus ONLY ACTED out of His capacity as Son of Man or as the second Adam, while Jesus was on earth.
Do you agree with that statement, or not?
Psalm 80:17
Let Your hand be upon the man of Your right hand, upon the son of man whom You made strong for Yourself.
Matthew 13:37
He said to them, He who sows the good seed is the Son of man.
Matthew 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels ...
Matthew 16:13
When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
And Paul also used the terms the first man and the second man:
1 Corinthians 15:47
The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Why wasn't Jesus "the millionth man" by the 1st century A.D.? Because Jesus was only the second man to be like the first Adam, before Adam sinned. And that "second man" the Bible also calls the Son of Man.
To "undo" what the first Adam had done, Jesus had to prove that someone like the first Adam COULD IN FACT STAY SINLESS ALL HIS LIFE, and Jesus as the "second" man or as the "last Adam" (there will be no more Adams needed) showed that it could be done, as the "Son of man".
Philippians 2:7
But made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant and was made in the likeness of men.
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I simply rebuked you for all the right reasons Eden. Jesus is God. Why don't you just take it as a gesture of love??
Proverbs 27:5 Better is open rebuke Than love that is concealed.
I have been rebuked here on this board-- called out, whatever you want to call it... It's not a bad thing.
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Figure out Who Jesus is then Eden! ![[BooHoo]](graemlins/boohoo.gif)
yes ma'am. Is that a knife he -or she- is sharpening???
Or is he -or she- playing the "neighborhood 'after the oil'" dirge, similar to the fiddler on the roof playing after the Russian pogroms?
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Figure out Who Jesus is then Eden!
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if you one more time deny Jesus' deity while He was here on the Earth I won't talk with you.
But it's one thing that you would "no longer talk to me", Found in Him, but you "practically had me on the stake already, running to get more oil". And that is NOT right.
John 16:2
They shall put you out of the synagogues: yes, the time comes, that whosoever kills you will think that he does God a service.
The only place where we should be running is "to the mercy seat" instead of running to the shed for more oil. This is not Salem, okay.
Mark 10:19
You know the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
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You feel that I am in your face, is this a bad thing?? Maybe it's not Eden.
Iron sharpens iron; it's Biblical. But if it's not a bad thing for me, it's also not a bad thing for anybody...except when it is ... of course.
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He is closer than the nose on your face and loves you completely!
Sometimes I feel like YOU are closer than the nose on my face, but do YOU still love me completely?
love, Eden
Yes I do love you Eden but I'm gonna be frank with you and call you out here... Regarding the Food for thought post-- if you one more time deny Jesus' deity while He was here on the Earth I won't talk with you.
You feel that I am in your face, is this a bad thing?? Maybe it's not Eden.
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He is closer than the nose on your face and loves you completely!
Sometimes I feel like YOU are closer than the nose on my face, but do YOU still love me completely?
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Lessons learned the hard way...
Want-- You might get it, but you'll want to puke it
Test Him-- He will spank
Doubt Him-- You will find yourself unstable
Waver-- He will step back and let cha
Learned from discipline:
Seek Him, humble yourself, stay with Him, And reverently Fear Him! He is closer than the nose on your face and loves you completely!
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you discipline no two children the same
Okay...but how do you think God disciplines us? I mean, God may not have to discipline you in the same way as me, but what ARE some of the methods which God uses to DISCIPLINE us, in your opinion?
Is His discipline a "lack of rain in a region" or is His discipline "something more personal to me like...", what, for example?
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Food for thought:
Although Jesus was the Son [of God], he learned to be obedient through his sufferings. (Heb 5:8)
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Eden... Do you have children? If so, how do you or did you discipline them? if you don't have any I speak from experience that you discipline no two children the same.
God's mind is to conform you and transform you. He has His own methods for molding, shaping and pruning His own. He is The potter.
He disciplines those He loves. Not any two children are the same.
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Strong's Corcordance, use for free from www.eliyah.com:
John 15:2 Every 3956 branch 2814 in 1722 me 1698 that 846 beareth 5342 not 3361 fruit 2590 he taketh away 142 : and 2532 every 3956 [branch] that beareth 5342 fruit 2590, he purges 2508 it 846, that 2443 it may bring forth 5342 more 4119 fruit 2590.
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2508. kathairo, from 2513; to cleanse, i.e. (specially) to prune; figuratively, to expiate:--purge.
2513. katharos, of uncertain affinity; clean (literally or figuratively):--clean, clear, pure.
Jesus is pure and clean, and when I let Him live IN ME FOR ME, then I will seem to be clean and pure too, though it is Jesus who is doing it in me.
So to repeat:
John 15:2
Every branch in me that does not bear fruit, He takes away: and every branch that does bear fruit, he purges it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
He cleans it. But how does He clean it? Does He clean it by sitting down in the driver's seat, with my permission? Shall we not surely "drive cleanly then" because that's all He knows how to do?
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