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Zeena think! What is a filter? Its a device which REMOVES impurities!


Its washing your mind with the water of the word!


Ephesians 26

That He(Yeshua) might sanctify and cleanse her(the church body) with the washing of water by THE word.

Yeshua is the alpha and omega. He is the whole word of Scripture. The Old Test and the New Test and everything in between.

MH is correct in this point about the whole of scripture being a filter. A filter takes out inpurities. Get it?

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Jesus is the Living Word, the LOGOS


John 13 1-12
Now before the feast of the passover, Jesus knowing that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto his Father, having loved his own that were in the world, he loved them unto the end. And during supper, the devil having already put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him, Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all the things into his hands, and that he came forth from God, and goeth unto God, riseth from supper, and layeth aside his garments; and he took a towel, and girded himself. Then he poureth water into the basin, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. So he cometh to Simon Peter. He saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt understand hereafter.
Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
Jesus saith to him, He that is bathed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all. For he knew him that should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean. So when he had washed their feet, and taken his garments, and sat down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you? Ye call me, Teacher, and, Lord: and ye say well; for so I am. If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, have washed your feet, ye also ought to wash one another's feet.

Washing of the Word is also to be cleansed with Scripture mind you, but NEVER, EVER without the Spirit

2 Corinthians 3:6
who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

The washing to put off the old man, consider him DEAD and be filled with the Spirit!

And NOT the person, but the feet!
"He that is bathed needeth not save to wash his feet"

Something which Michael seems reluctant to do..

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Originally posted by yahsway:
Zeena think! What is a filter? Its a device which REMOVES impurities!


Its washing your mind with the water of the word!


Ephesians 26

That He(Yeshua) might sanctify and cleanse her(the church body) with the washing of water by THE word.

Yeshua is the alpha and omega. He is the whole word of Scripture. The Old Test and the New Test and everything in between.

MH is correct in this point about the whole of scripture being a filter. A filter takes out inpurities. Get it?

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Originally posted by yahsway:
It would be refreshing to read posts written by you guys, and not by some preacher/teacher/author ect..

i would like to read what the Lord is doing and showing you in your own personal walk. If i want to read a book, ill go by one. I like the message boards for fellowship and to see where the Holy Spirit is leading in each of your lives and what enlightment He brings to you from the scriptures.

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The Lord is not only leading me, but taking places I've never dreamed of!

The most recent event that comes to mind [cuz it's a doozie] is when there was the looming threat of a TTC strike!

I prayed and the Lord told me there'd be a strike, but THEN the agreement came to the table which they said they'd accept, they also said at that time that they would give 48 hours notice if they were going to strike..

So I told everyone what the Lord had told me! People were believing there would be no strike, and so it seemed...

They accepted the deal and were waiting for it to be ratified [but I didn't know this, in fact, pretty much the whole city had thought the deal was done!]

But after a week I was getting antsy, here I told a bunch of people what I believed God had told me and it wasn't coming true! I even asked if I really had been gifted in such a way.. But I ended up believing I was walking after the flesh, for far be it from God to lie! I struggled with the Lord a lot during that time.. But He edified me moment by moment with His Life!

But then, TWO WEEKS after this supposed 'deal' they went on strike friday at midnight and left Toronto citizens stranded!

And I prayed for the people to find a way home!!

Nevertheless, as far as teaching goes, I am much more comfortable giving my witness, [not that I'm afriad to be uncomfortable, but that I don't believe it's my place in most instances], and I avoid it like the plague unless the Lord shows me someone in error, then I will rebuke, exhort and hopefully edify

I have teachers who express what the Lord has revealed to me to a " ", and so I quote them

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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
No scripture is needed for this concept. All scripture is profitable for this concept.

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MH says "Scripture is a filter for the Christian."

Please provide the scripture for this concept.

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We are not in the world???

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NOR are we in it!

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Originally posted by ANM:
Hit myself in the head with a ball bat...iLL BE FINE.

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"Whatsoever doth make manifest is light." Scripture is a filter for the Christian. If every action (spoken or directed) is passed through this filter, then we can know that Jesus is who is coming through. But if we disregard scripture to allow our uninhibited, lustful fallen state to have preeminence (our old man for those of you who do not believe in two natures), we cause the Lord who saves us open shame in the arena where we are to testify of Him. We do (for those who want to argue about works) pass on the nature of God, or the nature of self, willfully, and by process of decision, by not yielding to His nature. Our fallen nature is not changed except by faith. And he is not changed then. He is dead, unless he is allowed, through unbelief, to live.

Faith doesn't mean some form of denial regarding the old nature as though he can exist and it is ok. Scripture says, "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17 )

All things are become new. This doesn't mean that the old is now accepted, or acceptable. It means that one has a new nature that does not behave (by and large) errantly. "Whatsoever doth make manifest is light." The old unbelieving man is 'exposed' by scripture such that he is filtered out from manifesting his ugliness (rising from the dead), by light which exposes him.

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The old man is DEAD!

Eternal reigns The King!

John 10:28 AMP
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never lose it or perish throughout the ages. [To all eternity they shall never by any means be destroyed.] And no one is able to snatch them out of My hand.

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And here it is in verse:

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." (1Jn 2:16)

In other words, your anger, or your lustful gaze, or your domination of another, possesiveness, controlling, manipulating, owning, complaining, irritable reaction, etc. these are not of the Father, but come out of who you literally are 'apart from Him,' as in, who you were! That is why if you are 'one' with Him, these do not manifest, and His nature shines through because these do not interfere.

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haha!

We're not of the world!

1 John 4:4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

NOR are we in it!

Ephesians 2:5-7
even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved), and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus: that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus:

Colossians 3:1-3
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

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Eden, i believe what he is referring to are ones who continue to live as if Jesus never changed them or came into their life.

The way they live reflects whether Christ is in them or not.

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Eden, i believe what he is referring to are ones who continue to live as if Jesus never changed them or came into their life.

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First of all we are not talking about just sinning. We are talking about intentionally sinning and living in it with out changing.

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It 'is' more about faith: than it is about sin. Someone might think it strange to hear me say something like that. And I am not at all condoning sin. But Sampson was a loose character. But in spite of it, his faith kept him strong. But his loose lifestyle caught up with him. He came to a point where he didn't think God would abandon him, and he compromised in a way that he shouldn't have. God redeemed his error, but at such a price. But faith was more important than how he lived.

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Romans 13:8
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.

Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; you shall love your neighbor as yourself.

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t 'is' more about faith: than it is about sin. Someone might think it strange to hear me say something like that. And I am not at all condoning sin. But Sampson was a loose character. But in spite of it, his faith kept him strong. But his loose lifestyle caught up with him. He came to a point where he didn't think God would abandon him, and he compromised in a way that he shouldn't have. God redeemed his error, but at such a price. But faith was more important than how he lived.

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ANM,

Good video. I think we are mostly on the same page.

Do you believe that people who are truly saved (those that know Jesus Christ and not just mouthed the words) will continue to intentionally sin?

Sounds like by what you said on the video that these people were never saved because they don’t know Jesus.

What is your take on the below verses?

1 John 2:3-6 (NIV)
We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.

I agree with you that the people in the below verse were never saved. But the sad thing is they think they are saved!

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV)

Looks to me like this verse is saying that the people that do the will of the Father are the ones that are actually saved. The reason they do the will of the Father is not because they have to to obtain salvation but because they know the Lord Jesus Christ and want to because He has paid their sin dept of which they could not pay.

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? ~ Romans 6:1-2

He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him. - John 14:21

2 Chr 16:9
For the eyes of the LORD range throughout the entire earth, to strengthen those whose heart is true to him.

Galatians 6:8
The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature [Or his flesh, from the flesh] will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

OK, once again the question I have is: .
Do you believe that people who are truly saved continue to intentionally sin?

If so do you think they know Jesus Christ and are saved?

P.S. I know we will sin by mistake but I don't think that people who actually are saved and know the price Jesus paid for our sin dept will deliberately sin.

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Hello ANM

I'm glad you have believed God for the Justification that Jesus Christ died to give you

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Walking By Grace
By John Woodward
March 15, 1999
"Amazing grace, shall always be my song of praise,
For it was grace that bought my liberty;
I do not know just why He came to love me so,
He looked beyond my fault and saw my need."

The words of that song gratefully acknowledge the wonderful blessing of God's grace in the lives of His people. We continue our focus on Colossians 2:6, noting in particular God's grace in the life of discipleship: "As you have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him."

The only way to become a son or daughter of God is to receive Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior (John 1:12). This entrance into the family of God is accomplished by God's GRACE through faith. "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." (Eph 2:8,9). We could never boast about earning eternal life, because it is solely based upon God's undeserved kindness toward us--His GRACE. Good works are a fruit of new life, but are not part of the root: "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." (Eph 2:10).

Does that seem too easy--too simple? Our natural bias toward trying to merit acceptance resists the purity of God's grace. Yet the Scriptures are clear: "But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness." (Rom 4:5). "And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. . ." (Rom 11:6). No wonder John Newton's hymn, Amazing Grace, has such meaning to the people of God!

"As you received . . . so walk (daily live) in Him." What is the role of God's grace in living abundantly in Christ? It is VITAL to the Christ-life. Grace is vital to receiving and using spiritual gifts (Eph 4:7; 1 Pet 4:10); grace is vital to giving generously (2 Cor 8:6,7); grace is vital to ministering fruitfully (Gal 2:9; Eph 3:8); and grace is vital to suffering productively (2 Cor 12:9).

Just as some misconstrue the grace of God in salvation, they misunderstand the importance of grace in the Christian life. This grace is never an excuse for, or a license to sin (Jude 4), which would bring God's chastisement (Heb 12:6). Nor is it an excuse for passivity. Paul demonstrated the balance of grace and zealous cooperation with God in ministry: "For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me." (1 Cor 15:9,10).

Charles G. Trumbull expounds on the sufficiency of God's grace for the believer in the past, the future, and the present. After noting that we were justified in the past by grace, and will be glorified in the future by grace (Rom 3:24; 8:25,29,30), he wrote "Grace does not mean that God stands off and smilingly looks in our direction. Grace means His tremendous, omnipotent activity; the dynamite of Heaven accomplishing things in our behalf, wholly independent of what we are and of what we do." (Victory in Christ, p.56). Then he asks about the role of God's grace for Christian living: "Is there no no hope, has grace no message for us in the meantime, right now, between the wonderful beginning and the wonderful ending? . . . Yes, thank God, there is! There is just as much hope for this middle time as for the ending and as for the beginning; and it is just as truly God's grace . . . 'For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.' (Rom 6:14). You are not under law, which says 'Do,' but you are under grace, which says, 'Done'; for grace excludes works from having anything to do with this freedom from the dominion of sin. . . It will be a glorious time between our justification and our glorification, if we but take it on the same terms that we take the beginning and the end. Grace! Simple faith! " (p.62-64).

Peter also admonishes us to "Grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." (2Peter 3:18). God's grace is available to us in infinite supply! "And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work." (2 Cor 9:8).

How can we "walk" in this grace of God? Among another principles, we must fully trust in Christ as our life (Gal 2:20) by humbling ourselves before our Heavenly Father: "He gives more grace. Therefore He says: 'God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.' " (James 4:6).

"He giveth more grace when the burdens grow greater;
He sendeth more strength when the labors increase.
To added affliction He addeth His mercy;
to multiplied trials His multiplied peace.

His love has no limit, His grace has no measure,
His power has no boundary known unto men;
For out of His infinite riches in Jesus,
He giveth, and giveth, and giveth again."

(Annie Johnson Flint)

Our Father, we rejoice in Your amazing grace which gave us new life through faith in Christ. We love You and depend fully on Your gracious enablement to obey the directives of Your Word. For Christ's sake, amen.

JBW

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