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Posted by ANM (Member # 7184) on
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Hello ANM ![[wave3]](graemlins/18.gif)
I'm glad you have believed God for the Justification that Jesus Christ died to give you ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Walking By Grace
By John Woodward
March 15, 1999
"Amazing grace, shall always be my song of praise,
For it was grace that bought my liberty;
I do not know just why He came to love me so,
He looked beyond my fault and saw my need."
The words of that song gratefully acknowledge the wonderful blessing of God's grace in the lives of His people. We continue our focus on Colossians 2:6, noting in particular God's grace in the life of discipleship: "As you have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him."
The only way to become a son or daughter of God is to receive Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior (John 1:12). This entrance into the family of God is accomplished by God's GRACE through faith. "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." (Eph 2:8,9). We could never boast about earning eternal life, because it is solely based upon God's undeserved kindness toward us--His GRACE. Good works are a fruit of new life, but are not part of the root: "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." (Eph 2:10).
Does that seem too easy--too simple? Our natural bias toward trying to merit acceptance resists the purity of God's grace. Yet the Scriptures are clear: "But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness." (Rom 4:5). "And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. . ." (Rom 11:6). No wonder John Newton's hymn, Amazing Grace, has such meaning to the people of God!
"As you received . . . so walk (daily live) in Him." What is the role of God's grace in living abundantly in Christ? It is VITAL to the Christ-life. Grace is vital to receiving and using spiritual gifts (Eph 4:7; 1 Pet 4:10); grace is vital to giving generously (2 Cor 8:6,7); grace is vital to ministering fruitfully (Gal 2:9; Eph 3:8); and grace is vital to suffering productively (2 Cor 12:9).
Just as some misconstrue the grace of God in salvation, they misunderstand the importance of grace in the Christian life. This grace is never an excuse for, or a license to sin (Jude 4), which would bring God's chastisement (Heb 12:6). Nor is it an excuse for passivity. Paul demonstrated the balance of grace and zealous cooperation with God in ministry: "For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me." (1 Cor 15:9,10).
Charles G. Trumbull expounds on the sufficiency of God's grace for the believer in the past, the future, and the present. After noting that we were justified in the past by grace, and will be glorified in the future by grace (Rom 3:24; 8:25,29,30), he wrote "Grace does not mean that God stands off and smilingly looks in our direction. Grace means His tremendous, omnipotent activity; the dynamite of Heaven accomplishing things in our behalf, wholly independent of what we are and of what we do." (Victory in Christ, p.56). Then he asks about the role of God's grace for Christian living: "Is there no no hope, has grace no message for us in the meantime, right now, between the wonderful beginning and the wonderful ending? . . . Yes, thank God, there is! There is just as much hope for this middle time as for the ending and as for the beginning; and it is just as truly God's grace . . . 'For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.' (Rom 6:14). You are not under law, which says 'Do,' but you are under grace, which says, 'Done'; for grace excludes works from having anything to do with this freedom from the dominion of sin. . . It will be a glorious time between our justification and our glorification, if we but take it on the same terms that we take the beginning and the end. Grace! Simple faith! " (p.62-64).
Peter also admonishes us to "Grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." (2Peter 3:18). God's grace is available to us in infinite supply! "And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work." (2 Cor 9:8).
How can we "walk" in this grace of God? Among another principles, we must fully trust in Christ as our life (Gal 2:20) by humbling ourselves before our Heavenly Father: "He gives more grace. Therefore He says: 'God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.' " (James 4:6).
"He giveth more grace when the burdens grow greater;
He sendeth more strength when the labors increase.
To added affliction He addeth His mercy;
to multiplied trials His multiplied peace.
His love has no limit, His grace has no measure,
His power has no boundary known unto men;
For out of His infinite riches in Jesus,
He giveth, and giveth, and giveth again."
(Annie Johnson Flint)
Our Father, we rejoice in Your amazing grace which gave us new life through faith in Christ. We love You and depend fully on Your gracious enablement to obey the directives of Your Word. For Christ's sake, amen.
JBW
John 17:17
Sanctify them in the truth: thy word is truth.
Posted by KnowHim (Member # 1) on
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ANM,
Good video. I think we are mostly on the same page.
Do you believe that people who are truly saved (those that know Jesus Christ and not just mouthed the words) will continue to intentionally sin?
Sounds like by what you said on the video that these people were never saved because they don’t know Jesus.
What is your take on the below verses?
1 John 2:3-6 (NIV)
We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
I agree with you that the people in the below verse were never saved. But the sad thing is they think they are saved!
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV)
Looks to me like this verse is saying that the people that do the will of the Father are the ones that are actually saved. The reason they do the will of the Father is not because they have to to obtain salvation but because they know the Lord Jesus Christ and want to because He has paid their sin dept of which they could not pay.
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? ~ Romans 6:1-2
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him. - John 14:21
2 Chr 16:9
For the eyes of the LORD range throughout the entire earth, to strengthen those whose heart is true to him.
Galatians 6:8
The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature [Or his flesh, from the flesh] will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
OK, once again the question I have is: .
Do you believe that people who are truly saved continue to intentionally sin?
If so do you think they know Jesus Christ and are saved?
P.S. I know we will sin by mistake but I don't think that people who actually are saved and know the price Jesus paid for our sin dept will deliberately sin.
Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on
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I gave it half a star! (I did that just to keep you on your toes.) Good works! We are to 'walk' in them. Do you comprehend the contrast? Any works that we 'walk' in that are not good, ARE NOT OF FAITH! And, "Whatsoever is not of faith, is sin." ( You go looketh, it up.KJVeth) And 'good works' are within the domninion of the Ten Commandments.
What of those who cast out demons in His name? So what if some have done some work or another 'in His name'? He still said, "Forbid them not! For those who are for me, will not quickly turn against me." So who are you to preach against them? Moreover, you may think that you know who they are, but on the other hand, you may 'presume' to know, but don't. As I recall, Paul said, "Judge nothing before the time."
Know Him? Does He know you? Any behavior that is not His, HE does not know! To that extent HE does not know you. For He does not know you in your sin. You remove yourself from His knowing you each and every moment you are in it. For sin is unbelief. And without faith, it is impossible to "please" God. That means He doesn't know you.
For the baseball fans, that means that communion is broken.
Now Sampson was a man of faith. He knew God and was known of God. And he did not lose his communion every time he sinned. And what I am talking about here, since the law had not been given, is that he lived an adventurous life, partaking of worldly pleasure, and it did not bite him. But it lured him into a trap. He suffered greatly for his indiscression. He became hooked becauswe he 'played around with sin." That, even if you want to argue, is the representation. What sustained him? Faith sustained him and he got away with a lot. But he wasn't going to be allowed to get away with it. He reaped what he sewed. So it isn't nice to tempt God! And if we will remember, in Jesus' words thrice repeated, Jesus said, "Thou shalt not put the Lord thy God to a foolish test."
One half star! Thas whas up!!!
Posted by ANM (Member # 7184) on
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The Ministry of Condemnation vs. The Ministry of Life
Gal 4:21 Tell me, those desiring to be under Law, do you not hear the Law?
What does 2Cor 3 say about the Law of Moses?
Ministry n.The office, duties or functions of a subordinate agent of any kind.
ministry is the administration of:
vs 6 the old covenant is the letter that kills (the ten commandments)
vs 7 the ministry of death, (the ten commandments)
engraved in letters in stone (the ten commandements)
was with glory (the ten commandments)
was done away with (the ten commandments)
vs 9 ministry of condemmation (the ten commandments)
vs 14 until this day the same veil remains on the reading of the old covenant(the
ten commandments)
vs 15 when Moses is read, the veil is on their heart (the ten commandments)
2Co 3:4 And we have such trust through Christ toward God,
2Co 3:5 not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think anything as of ourselves, but our sufficiency is of God;
2Co 3:6 who also has made us able ministers of the new covenant; not of the letter, but of the spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit makes alive.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, having been engraved in letters in stone was with glory (so that the sons of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses because of the glory of his face), which was being done away;
2Co 3:8 shall not the ministry of the Spirit be with more glory?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministry of condemnation is glorious, much more does the ministry of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels.
2Co 3:11 For if that which has been done away was glorious, much more that which remains is glorious.
2Co 3:12 Then since we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech.
2Co 3:13 And we are not like Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel could not steadfastly look to the end of the thing being done away.
2Co 3:14 (But their thoughts were blinded; for until the present the same veil remains on the reading of the old covenant, not taken away.) But this veil has been done away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But until this day, when Moses is read, the veil is on their heart.
2Co 3:16 But whenever it turns to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away.
2Co 3:17 And the Lord is that Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2Co 3:18 But we all, with our face having been unveiled, having beheld the glory of the Lord as in a mirror, are being changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Lord Spirit.
Act 13:38 Therefore be it known to you, men, brothers, that through this One the forgiveness of sins is announced to you.
Act 13:39 And by Him all who believe are justified from all things, from which you could not be justified by the Law of Moses.
Gal 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness is through law, then Christ died without cause.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are out of works of the Law, these are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the Book of the Law, to do them."
Gal 3:11 But that no one is justified by the Law in the sight of God is clear, for, "The just shall live by faith."
Gal 3:12 But the Law is not of faith; but, "The man who does these things shall live in them."
Gal 3:19 Why then the Law? It was added because of transgressions, until the Seed should come to those to whom it had been promised, being ordained through angels in the Mediator's hand.
Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on
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"I came not to destroy the law, but that through me it might be fullfilled."
Posted by Eden (Member # 5728) on
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Romans 13:8
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; you shall love your neighbor as yourself.
eden
Posted by KnowHim (Member # 1) on
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Originally posted by KnowHim:
ANM,
Good video. I think we are mostly on the same page.
Do you believe that people who are truly saved (those that know Jesus Christ and not just mouthed the words) will continue to intentionally sin?
Sounds like by what you said on the video that these people were never saved because they don’t know Jesus.
What is your take on the below verses?
1 John 2:3-6 (NIV)
We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
I agree with you that the people in the below verse were never saved. But the sad thing is they think they are saved!
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV)
Looks to me like this verse is saying that the people that do the will of the Father are the ones that are actually saved. The reason they do the will of the Father is not because they have to to obtain salvation but because they know the Lord Jesus Christ and want to because He has paid their sin dept of which they could not pay.
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? ~ Romans 6:1-2
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him. - John 14:21
2 Chr 16:9
For the eyes of the LORD range throughout the entire earth, to strengthen those whose heart is true to him.
Galatians 6:8
The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature [Or his flesh, from the flesh] will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
OK, once again the question I have is: .
Do you believe that people who are truly saved continue to intentionally sin?
If so do you think they know Jesus Christ and are saved?
P.S. I know we will sin by mistake but I don't think that people who actually are saved and know the price Jesus paid for our sin dept will deliberately sin.
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Bump
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Posted by Candle of Life (Member # 7219) on
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Watch his videos that someone posted here earlier and see for yourself if he continually sins as well as others.
He sineth behind the back of everyone and comes here proclaiming his faith.
Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on
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It 'is' more about faith: than it is about sin. Someone might think it strange to hear me say something like that. And I am not at all condoning sin. But Sampson was a loose character. But in spite of it, his faith kept him strong. But his loose lifestyle caught up with him. He came to a point where he didn't think God would abandon him, and he compromised in a way that he shouldn't have. God redeemed his error, but at such a price. But faith was more important than how he lived.
Posted by ANM (Member # 7184) on
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Bingo michael.
Posted by Eden (Member # 5728) on
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Michael Harrison said quote:
t 'is' more about faith: than it is about sin. Someone might think it strange to hear me say something like that. And I am not at all condoning sin. But Sampson was a loose character. But in spite of it, his faith kept him strong. But his loose lifestyle caught up with him. He came to a point where he didn't think God would abandon him, and he compromised in a way that he shouldn't have. God redeemed his error, but at such a price. But faith was more important than how he lived.
I agree that faith is more important than sin. It is my experience that most, if not all, sins that Christians commit after they are saved are sins of habit which pre-existed their getting saved. Rarely, if ever, does someone sin worse after being saved. Most often Christians are beset by the same sins that they had trouble with before being saved and it may take a long time before (if ever) some of these sins can be avoided.
And, isn't this why Jesus died for our sins? Most of us are pretty hopeless when it comes to undoing our pre-existing habits. We may become a little sweeter, we may become more honest, but overall in this life we won't change much. That is why God crucified the old man on the cross instead of repairing the old man.
be loved, eden
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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Originally posted by Eden:
Romans 13:8
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; you shall love your neighbor as yourself.
eden
Excellent verses in this instance, and in ALL instance!
Praise God!
Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on
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Becase Eden, God crucified the old man on the Cross, but the old man in you (plural, meaning whomever) doesn't believe it. If he did, sin would end. (Reckon yourselves 'dead' unto sin.) Because the new man is "Created in God unto righteousness." That means that he doesn't sin. So. one can live unto the old man, who is 'dead' or unto the new, who is alive BY Christ, and unto Him.
Quite plainly, when you sin, you live unto the old man. He resurrects! You bring him to life. HE is not being dead, though Jesus slayed him on the cross.
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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You have power to ressurect someone God killed do ya?
Posted by KnowHim (Member # 1) on
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Either you can not read, which can not be the fact as you are on a message board or you just don't want to believe the bible.
1 John 2:3-6 (NIV)
We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? ~ Romans 6:1-2
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him. - John 14:21
Galatians 6:8
The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature [Or his flesh, from the flesh] will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
If you don't understand this plain text from the bible then I would have to believe you are just creating a God whom you want to serve. People have created gods to suit themselves from the beginning. It’s called "idolatry," and it’s the oldest sin in the Book. Idolaters will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Trying to prove it is OK to deliberately sin and live in sin is a lie straight from the Father of lies Satan.
All I can say is I hope that anyone who believes you can intentionally sin all the time will wake up before it is to late and come to know Jesus Christ. Please read your bible and believe the entire bible not just the parts you want to believe.
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Posted by KnowHim (Member # 1) on
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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
It 'is' more about faith: than it is about sin. Someone might think it strange to hear me say something like that. And I am not at all condoning sin. But Sampson was a loose character. But in spite of it, his faith kept him strong. But his loose lifestyle caught up with him. He came to a point where he didn't think God would abandon him, and he compromised in a way that he shouldn't have. God redeemed his error, but at such a price. But faith was more important than how he lived.
First of all we are not talking about just sinning. We are talking about intentionally sinning and living in it with out changing.
We all know people who are saved will sin, but they will not intentionally sin and live in sin without changing. God will not allow a saved person to do so.
God saw to it that Sampson's sin would take him down and it did. Please see this is a warning to us and not a proof text to tell you it is OK to continue in sin.
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Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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'flesh' is the proper translation in gal 6:8 btw ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
The greek word is SARX:
Mind, will and emotions [soul] under the power of indwelling sin [in the body].
Translated words;
KJV (151) - carnal, 2; carnally minded + (5427), 1; flesh, 147; fleshly, 1;
ASV
" 8 For he that soweth unto his own flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth unto the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap eternal life. "
It's not 'old man', for the old man is dead!
And we cannot sow to the Spirit unless our mind is renewed to believe what Jesus did for us!
Were you in Him when He was crucified, or weren't you?
Were you crucified with Him, or weren't you?
2 Corinthians 5:14-15
For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that one died for all, therefore all died; and he died for all, that they that live should no longer live unto themselves, but unto him who for their sakes died and rose again.
Posted by Candle of Life (Member # 7219) on
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So, what exactly do you call "intentional sin"?
Please do elaborate.
Posted by Eden (Member # 5728) on
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Yes, Candle of Life, that is exactly what I was wondering. What is "intential sinning"? I realize it is easy to say, but what does it actually mean?
For instance, KnowHim said this: quote:
First of all we are not talking about just sinning. We are talking about intentionally sinning and living in it with out changing.
Can you give me some examples please so I can see how your examples differ from "sinning because we are constituted sinners". Thank you.
eden
Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on
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Eden, i believe what he is referring to are ones who continue to live as if Jesus never changed them or came into their life.
The way they live reflects whether Christ is in them or not.
Like a friend of mine who claims to be saved by Jesus and actually says we can live and sin all we want because Jesus already paid the price for him to do so.
Its kind of like trampling on the Grace given.
Its a knowing them by their fruits sort of thing.
Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on
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Eden, i believe what he is referring to are ones who continue to live as if Jesus never changed them or came into their life.
Ten Stars! And all that I would add to that is: "or became their life." Because His is a life that doesn't sin. And it is a short step from His being in your life, to His being your life.
Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on
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Spot on MH! For as Acts 17:28 says-
for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, "Foe we are also His offspring".
Posted by Eden (Member # 5728) on
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yahsway said (and seconded by Michael Harrison): quote:
Eden, i believe what he is referring to are ones who continue to live as if Jesus never changed them or came into their life.
The way they live reflects whether Christ is in them or not.
Okay, but what is "intentional" about that? I have never heard a Christian who got saved say "I'm intentionally going to sin now that Jesus died for my sins".
I could see it from persons who were BORN into a "Christian" or "Catholic" family but who have never personally "seen" their own sinfulness and personally accepted Jesus, but it has to be a RARE occasion when someone who has seen themselves as a "sinner" also then says "I am now intentionally going to sin because Jesus already died for my sins".
So what would you consider to be someone consider "intentional sins", give me some examples. Presumably these people have "more than one intentional sin" going since it would be surprising that there would be "only intentional sin" that they are going for.
So as I said, it is easy to say but what are some concrete examples. Tell me about one person and some of that person's "intentional sins".
love, Eden
Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on
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"Whatsoever doth make manifest is light." Scripture is a filter for the Christian. If every action (spoken or directed) is passed through this filter, then we can know that Jesus is who is coming through. But if we disregard scripture to allow our uninhibited, lustful fallen state to have preeminence (our old man for those of you who do not believe in two natures), we cause the Lord who saves us open shame in the arena where we are to testify of Him. We do (for those who want to argue about works) pass on the nature of God, or the nature of self, willfully, and by process of decision, by not yielding to His nature. Our fallen nature is not changed except by faith. And he is not changed then. He is dead, unless he is allowed, through unbelief, to live.
Faith doesn't mean some form of denial regarding the old nature as though he can exist and it is ok. Scripture says, "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17 )
All things are become new. This doesn't mean that the old is now accepted, or acceptable. It means that one has a new nature that does not behave (by and large) errantly. "Whatsoever doth make manifest is light." The old unbelieving man is 'exposed' by scripture such that he is filtered out from manifesting his ugliness (rising from the dead), by light which exposes him.
Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on
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And here it is in verse:
"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." (1Jn 2:16)
In other words, your anger, or your lustful gaze, or your domination of another, possesiveness, controlling, manipulating, owning, complaining, irritable reaction, etc. these are not of the Father, but come out of who you literally are 'apart from Him,' as in, who you were! That is why if you are 'one' with Him, these do not manifest, and His nature shines through because these do not interfere.
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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MH says "Scripture is a filter for the Christian."
Please provide the scripture for this concept.
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
"Whatsoever doth make manifest is light." Scripture is a filter for the Christian. If every action (spoken or directed) is passed through this filter, then we can know that Jesus is who is coming through. But if we disregard scripture to allow our uninhibited, lustful fallen state to have preeminence (our old man for those of you who do not believe in two natures), we cause the Lord who saves us open shame in the arena where we are to testify of Him. We do (for those who want to argue about works) pass on the nature of God, or the nature of self, willfully, and by process of decision, by not yielding to His nature. Our fallen nature is not changed except by faith. And he is not changed then. He is dead, unless he is allowed, through unbelief, to live.
Faith doesn't mean some form of denial regarding the old nature as though he can exist and it is ok. Scripture says, "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17 )
All things are become new. This doesn't mean that the old is now accepted, or acceptable. It means that one has a new nature that does not behave (by and large) errantly. "Whatsoever doth make manifest is light." The old unbelieving man is 'exposed' by scripture such that he is filtered out from manifesting his ugliness (rising from the dead), by light which exposes him.
The old man is DEAD!
Eternal reigns The King! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
John 10:28 AMP
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never lose it or perish throughout the ages. [To all eternity they shall never by any means be destroyed.] And no one is able to snatch them out of My hand.
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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
And here it is in verse:
"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." (1Jn 2:16)
In other words, your anger, or your lustful gaze, or your domination of another, possesiveness, controlling, manipulating, owning, complaining, irritable reaction, etc. these are not of the Father, but come out of who you literally are 'apart from Him,' as in, who you were! That is why if you are 'one' with Him, these do not manifest, and His nature shines through because these do not interfere.
haha!
We're not of the world!
1 John 4:4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
NOR are we in it!
Ephesians 2:5-7
even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved), and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus: that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus:
Colossians 3:1-3
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
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Posted by ANM (Member # 7184) on
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Hit myself in the head with a ball bat...iLL BE FINE.
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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Originally posted by ANM:
Hit myself in the head with a ball bat...iLL BE FINE.
I remember knocking my eye silly with a golf ball.
Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on
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MH says "Scripture is a filter for the Christian."
Please provide the scripture for this concept.
Show scripture? Up and coming, though you are unable to receive it. Pray that you do lest judgment find you like a baseball bat.
No scripture is needed for this concept. All scripture is profitable for this concept.
The old man is not dead. He is the one who sins, not the new. When someone says that the old man is dead, yet he abides in, or continues to sin, the one is in denial. If the old man raises his ugly head, he makes a mockey of faith. For the old man is dead by faith. When Paul says that the old man is dead, he is saying to let it be your experience, that it may be your reality. It is a fact, but it is not your reality unless you bear the fruit of belief. The fruit of belief is that Jesus lives, not you. Jesus does not sin.
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We are not in the world???
If we are not of the world, we will not 'behave' as the world. It can not be more simply said. quote:
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NOR are we in it!
We are in it if we behave like it!!! Denial will not cut it.
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
No scripture is needed for this concept. All scripture is profitable for this concept.
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony! if they speak not according to this word, surely there is no morning for them.
You utter lies and when asked to profer SCRIPTURAL Truth you deny!?!?
What's wrong? God doesn't agree with YOUR opinion?
Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on
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Zeena, re-read what MH said.
If you are not IN the world, then you will not behave as if you are IN the world. Understand?
If you are not OF the world, then you will not behave as one who is OF the world.
But remember Yeshuas prayer? "Lord i do not ask you to take them OUT of the world but to keep them from the evil one."
The old man is supposed to be Dead to Sin and Alive to Christ.
We are not to continue in sin. Thats the point.
Also remember that when the letter was written to Timothy from Paul the only scripture available at that time was the Old Testament. There was no New Test cannon at that time.
So when He said that All scripture was given for doctrine, reproof, correction, for instructon in rightousness, He was speaking of the Old Testement. There was no New Test at that time.
2 Tim 2:19
Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: "The Lord knows those who are His, and let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from Iniquity."
I do not agree with everything MH says, but there is a lot of meat that he throws out there. I just eat the meat and spit out the bones. I think many here have a personal bias against him and thats not fair.
We all bring something to the table. The least we can do is agree to disagree sometimes.
I see many here post very LOOOOOng posts from other authors and thats okay ,but i wonder if there is not a bias there also.
It would be refreshing to read posts written by you guys, and not by some preacher/teacher/author ect..
i would like to read what the Lord is doing and showing you in your own personal walk. If i want to read a book, ill go by one. I like the message boards for fellowship and to see where the Holy Spirit is leading in each of your lives and what enlightment He brings to you from the scriptures.
Not some long post that some author has written.
I know that we are all not going to agree all the time. But i just pray that all the personal attacks would cease. Shalom
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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That's not at all what I was asking about! ![[pound]](graemlins/pound.gif)
Michael said "Scripture is a filter for the Christian."
And WildB asked him for a Scriptural referrance for that statment, to which he said "No scripture is needed for this concept."
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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Originally posted by yahsway:
It would be refreshing to read posts written by you guys, and not by some preacher/teacher/author ect..
i would like to read what the Lord is doing and showing you in your own personal walk. If i want to read a book, ill go by one. I like the message boards for fellowship and to see where the Holy Spirit is leading in each of your lives and what enlightment He brings to you from the scriptures.
The Lord is not only leading me, but taking places I've never dreamed of! ![[clap2]](graemlins/clap2.gif)
The most recent event that comes to mind [cuz it's a doozie] is when there was the looming threat of a TTC strike! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
I prayed and the Lord told me there'd be a strike, but THEN the agreement came to the table which they said they'd accept, they also said at that time that they would give 48 hours notice if they were going to strike..
So I told everyone what the Lord had told me! People were believing there would be no strike, and so it seemed...
They accepted the deal and were waiting for it to be ratified [but I didn't know this, in fact, pretty much the whole city had thought the deal was done!]
But after a week I was getting antsy, here I told a bunch of people what I believed God had told me and it wasn't coming true! I even asked if I really had been gifted in such a way.. But I ended up believing I was walking after the flesh, for far be it from God to lie! ![[Bible]](graemlins/bible.gif)
I struggled with the Lord a lot during that time.. But He edified me moment by moment with His Life! ![[youpi]](graemlins/youpi.gif)
But then, TWO WEEKS after this supposed 'deal' they went on strike friday at midnight and left Toronto citizens stranded! ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
And I prayed for the people to find a way home!!
Nevertheless, as far as teaching goes, I am much more comfortable giving my witness, [not that I'm afriad to be uncomfortable, but that I don't believe it's my place in most instances], and I avoid it like the plague unless the Lord shows me someone in error, then I will rebuke, exhort and hopefully edify
I have teachers who express what the Lord has revealed to me to a " ", and so I quote them
Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on
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Zeena think! What is a filter? Its a device which REMOVES impurities!
Its washing your mind with the water of the word!
Ephesians 26
That He(Yeshua) might sanctify and cleanse her(the church body) with the washing of water by THE word.
Yeshua is the alpha and omega. He is the whole word of Scripture. The Old Test and the New Test and everything in between.
MH is correct in this point about the whole of scripture being a filter. A filter takes out inpurities. Get it?
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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Originally posted by yahsway:
Zeena think! What is a filter? Its a device which REMOVES impurities!
Its washing your mind with the water of the word!
Ephesians 26
That He(Yeshua) might sanctify and cleanse her(the church body) with the washing of water by THE word.
Yeshua is the alpha and omega. He is the whole word of Scripture. The Old Test and the New Test and everything in between.
MH is correct in this point about the whole of scripture being a filter. A filter takes out inpurities. Get it?
Said the man with the rose colored glasses.
We just want a scripture from the Bible that supports this teaching?
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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quote:
Originally posted by yahsway:
Zeena think! What is a filter? Its a device which REMOVES impurities!
Its washing your mind with the water of the word!
Ephesians 26
That He(Yeshua) might sanctify and cleanse her(the church body) with the washing of water by THE word.
Yeshua is the alpha and omega. He is the whole word of Scripture. The Old Test and the New Test and everything in between.
MH is correct in this point about the whole of scripture being a filter. A filter takes out inpurities. Get it?
Jesus is the Living Word, the LOGOS
John 13 1-12
Now before the feast of the passover, Jesus knowing that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto his Father, having loved his own that were in the world, he loved them unto the end. And during supper, the devil having already put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him, Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all the things into his hands, and that he came forth from God, and goeth unto God, riseth from supper, and layeth aside his garments; and he took a towel, and girded himself. Then he poureth water into the basin, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. So he cometh to Simon Peter. He saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt understand hereafter.
Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
Jesus saith to him, He that is bathed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all. For he knew him that should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean. So when he had washed their feet, and taken his garments, and sat down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you? Ye call me, Teacher, and, Lord: and ye say well; for so I am. If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, have washed your feet, ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
Washing of the Word is also to be cleansed with Scripture mind you, but NEVER, EVER without the Spirit
2 Corinthians 3:6
who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
The washing to put off the old man, consider him DEAD and be filled with the Spirit!
And NOT the person, but the feet!
"He that is bathed needeth not save to wash his feet"
Something which Michael seems reluctant to do..
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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Pss.119
[105] Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
No filter there?
Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on
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Zeena, thank you for your reply. I just want to hear what the Lord is saying to you, not to the teachers of whom you hold the same belief.
Its okay once in a while, but the post are sooo long that its hard to read thru.
I percieve you must be a young person or young in the Lord at this time. You bring up a lot of good stuff, but i would like to hear from your heart and not those of whom teach you.
But what i would like most is for all to learn from one another without going on the attack.
I know this is hard at times, but i believe it can be done.
Shalom
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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Originally posted by yahsway:
Zeena, thank you for your reply. I just want to hear what the Lord is saying to you, not to the teachers of whom you hold the same belief.
I have teachers for that very reason!
So that I do not spout off error in my haste and so that I as a 'woman' of God am not cuaght teaching mature believers. Aslo, I APPRECIATE the Spirit with which they are written, don't you?
Tell you what, if you find error in any of the doctrine I post as a quote then let's duscuss it together, fair enough?
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[qb]Its okay once in a while, but the post are sooo long that its hard to read thru.
AWW! That's either cuz your not annointed to read it yet, or your reading it in your own strength..
Isaiah 40:31
but they that wait for Jehovah shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; they shall walk, and not faint.
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I percieve you must be a young person or young in the Lord at this time.
I'm an adult with the exuberance of a 5 year old!
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You bring up a lot of good stuff, but i would like to hear from your heart and not those of whom teach you.
I've not hidden myself behind a wall, but have revealed myself fully here on these boards, and everywhere I go, yet I'm covered by Jesus!
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But what i would like most is for all to learn from one another without going on the attack.
I know this is hard at times, but i believe it can be done.
Shalom
Jesus be unto your household too
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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Then stop confusing her with this support of the filter doctrine from mh that cannot be held to scripture.
Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on
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Zeena, Yeshua is Echad! He is ONE. God is One! Agree or disagree?
You cant have One (God, Yeshua, Spirit) without the other.
Zeena, the Scripture IS The Word who IS Jesus? Get it? Its not just words on paper. Jesus IS the Word. He IS the Spirit. He IS God.
Not 3 Gods. ONE GOD.
And its not as you say "washing of the Word is to also be cleansed with scripture but never without the Spirit." The Word is the Spirit. The Word is God. The word Is Jesus.
Its the Church body being washed with the water of the word(Jesus) by His (Jesus) Spirit (Jesus)
WildB-
Your quote is great! It shows my point. Thy Word (Jesus) is the filter. He cleanses us from all unrightousness. Now, what does a filter do? Takes out impurities, right. And when impurities are taken out His light shines forth.
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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Originally posted by yahsway:
WildB-
Your quote is great! It shows my point. Thy Word (Jesus) is the filter. He cleanses us from all unrightousness. Now, what does a filter do? Takes out impurities, right. And when impurities are taken out His light shines forth.
No covers, like a wing of a eagle.
If you filter something its still that something but with less poop.
There is nothing redeemable in us to be filtered.
imho
Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on
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Zeena, i am confused. One must be annointed to read a paticular post from your teachers? Or have their own strength? Was this a "personal attack" on me dear sister? Was that not a bit "Prideful" on your behalf?
You see, this is what i have been talking about all along.
People here keep going on the attack of another person. That was not very Christian like on your behalf.
All I said was those post were looong, and could you might shorten them just a bit. It has nothing to do with whether I am "annointed at this time to read them. For I find them only one persons Idea of what scrpture says. How they percive it. I wanted to know from your quotes not theirs.
I can see there is nothing fruitful here about our conversation so I will not post here again on the OSAS thread.
Thanks for sharing Your thoughts. It was an eye-opener. Shalom
Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on
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I said Jesus (The Word) is the filter. Are you liken Him to POOP?
re read what i posted wild B. I did not say WE are the filter, I said He, His word is the filter that washes our MINDs with the water of the Word (Jesus) our filter.
sheesh you people really need to start READING what is posted.
Posted by Carol Swenson (Member # 6929) on
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Originally posted by yahsway:
I said Jesus (The Word) is the filter. Are you liken Him to POOP?
re read what i posted wild B. I did not say WE are the filter, I said He, His word is the filter that washes our MINDs with the water of the Word (Jesus) our filter.
sheesh you people really need to start READING what is posted.
Respectfully I submit that WildB did not say WE are the filter either. He said that even if we go through a filter we are still us. But Christ said we are NEW CREATIONS, not filtered creations.
Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on
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Have you never heard of a "water filter" system. I have one on my facet.
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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I work in a waste treatment plant.
Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on
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I'm sorry!
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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Acid is used to bring the ph down so that a clarification can take place.
Oil is then skimmed off the top and the ph readjusted to neutral.
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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A sieve is a type of 'filter'
Luke 22:31-32
Simon, Simon, behold, Satan asked to have you, that he might sift you as wheat: but I made supplication for thee, that thy faith fail not; and do thou, when once thou hast turned again, establish thy brethren.
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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1Tim.2
[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Posted by Eden (Member # 5728) on
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WildB, I'm SO with you on this: quote:
Acid is used to bring the ph down so that a clarification can take place.
Some years ago I read how pouring cider vinegar over the dry hay of cows helped heal their alkaline diseases. Most people eat too much alkaline but they need to add acid, either as red wine or as organice apple cider vinegar. Follow the recipe on the bottle, available at your local healthfood store.
Acid needs to be taken to bring down alkaline. But no acid is needed in God's love. Jesus said that the whole law was now fulliled in 2 commandments: "Love the LORD Your God with all your heart..." and "Love your neighbor as yourself". When Jesus said "love your neighbor as yourself", he did not specfiy at type of neighbor. He meant ALL neighbors. This is the heart of God more than doctrine.
WildB, no acid needs to be taken with God's love and loving one's neighbor, okay? Only for alkaline, not for love.
And while I'm here, I think it is inappropriate for you to berate almost each email of Michael Harrison. To love him is to leave hime alone and let him be himself, within the camp of the church.
It's okay to keep track of what Christians say and question what is said, but it's not okay before the church to harrass this member's almost every message. Jesus said you had to love Michael Harrison, and vice-versa too. It is not becoming to the church to see your mutual interaction, especially WildB is harassing Michael Harrison.
Be sweet to each other in the church of Christ:
Exodus 15
22 So Moses brought Israel from the Red sea, and they went out into the wilderness of Shur; and they went three days in the wilderness, and found no water.
23 And when they came to Marah, they could not drink of the waters of Marah, for they were bitter: therefore the name of it was called Marah.
24 And the people murmured against Moses, saying, What shall we drink?
25 And he cried unto the LORD; and the LORD showed him a tree {Jesus on the cross}, which when he had cast it into the waters, the waters were made sweet: there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them.
If we realize that our soul mind cannot run this body but Jesus can thru the Holy Spirit, then we will listen diligently to the LORD and our waters which were bitter, will be made sweeter, and even sweet.
In the Bible the "waters" refer to people on the earth, and whent he "tree was thrown in the water of Marah, the water became sweet", which is a picture of the tree of Jesus being thrown among the waters or people of the earth.
Be sweet and kind to each other, especially in the church of Christ, which is God's family camp. No acid in God's church.
Deuteronomy 18
15 The LORD your God will raise up to you a Prophet from the midst of you, of your kinsmen, like me; to him shall you listen.
with love, Eden
Posted by KnowHim (Member # 1) on
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Originally posted by Candle of Life:
So, what exactly do you call "intentional sin"?
Please do elaborate.
Intentional Sin
(Deliberately Sinning, Sinning PURPOSELY)
What is Intentional Sin?
Intentional sin is willful disobedience to God. It is rebellion against God.
Sin we pursue knowledgeably and willingly.
Some examples of deliberate sin would be.
• Having sex with someone and not being married to them and continuing to do so.
• Having an affair and continuing to do so.
• Living a gay lifestyle and continuing to do so.
• Lying, cheating, stealing, etc…. and continuing to do so.
• Viewing porn often and on purpose day after day.
• Buying and selling drugs.
• Being a witch or being involved in witchcraft and continuing to do so.
• There are many, many more but I hope these examples help.
We are to repent and turn from the sin. Not just mouth the words and continue in sin.
First of all please read the below verses that come right out of the bible. If you don’t believe the entire bible then reading this will not help you. We are talking about people who claim to be saved (true followers of Jesus Christ)
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law f Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? - Hebrews 10:26-29
The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God (Galatians 5:19-21).
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).
But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them (Ephesians 5:3-7).
Lest there be any question that these warnings include those who hold themselves out as Christians, Paul begins his warning to the Ephesians with the words, “But among you . . .” Paul specifically addresses them and warns them of the consequences of being immoral or impure or greedy. In this case he not only says they will not inherit the kingdom of God, but also says such people will be the objects of God’s wrath because they are disobedient.
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death” (Revelation 21:8).
The above Scriptures are not referring to those unclean bondages that dwell in our flesh but to the conscious choices believers make. It refers not to our unintentional sins but to those we pursue knowingly and willingly.
A sin can be unintentional when an individual is caught off guard and yields to the temptation to lust or anger, or when the person is not aware of God's commandments.
All unintentional sin has been provided for with the atoning blood of the cross of Calvary. There absolutely is no provision whatever for deliberate, intentional disobedience to God.
The story of the prodigal son reveals to us God’s attitude toward the sinner who returns to his Father’s house. It says nothing about the sinner who returns to his Father’s house and then proceeds to disobey his Father.
Under the Old Covenant, God put to death people who willingly disobeyed His commands or offered "strange fire" (Lev. 10:1-2). There was no atonement for intentional sin - and there still isn't. All of the sin offerings of the Levitical Law were for unintentional sin.
Case in point, Numbers 15:32-35 tells us: While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, and they kept him in custody because it was not clear what should be done to him. Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp".
The man who sinned willingly was not deceived in any way. He was not driven by uncontrollable impulses. He simply decided to ignore what God had said about the Sabbath. His reward was death.
If your life hasn’t changed dramatically, if God isn’t first (above every single person and thing), if you are still deliberately sinning when you know it is wrong, then you are simply fooling yourself if you call yourself a Christian. We will sin accidentally all our lives, but deliberately sinning is quite different. No one fools God and Judgment Day will prove this. Romans 2:13
For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.
Romans 2:7-11 (New International Version)
To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.
If you are one of the people that are trying to prove that it is OK to continue in sin, I beg you to come to know Jesus Christ and repent and turn from your sins.
Trying to prove how much sin you can get away with only proved that you have never really come to know Jesus Christ as if you had you would want to please Him.
When do you want to learn this crucial information?
Now is the day of salvation. Don’t listen to the people who have been spreading a fluffy Christianity. It is doing more harm than good; one must speak the truth of the Bible. I am glad I learned the truth and was “open” to learning it before the dreadful day of God judgment. It is tragic that so many are blind to the truths of the bible.
Also read:
Romans 1:21-32
Links on this subject:
http://www.wor.org/Books/d/deliberate_sin.htm
http://www.datehookup.com/Blog-101256.htm
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Posted by KnowHim (Member # 1) on
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Originally posted by Zeena:
That's not at all what I was asking about!
Michael said "Scripture is a filter for the Christian."
And WildB asked him for a Scriptural referrance for that statment, to which he said "No scripture is needed for this concept."
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.
Philipians 4:8
Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life.
Proverbs 4:23 (NIV)
Yes the bible is the filter for knowing truth. If you don't believe the bible (the entire bible) then you don't know truth. And for those who think they can add to the bible your WRONG.
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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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Originally posted by Eden:
And while I'm here, I think it is inappropriate for you to berate almost each email of Michael Harrison. To love him is to leave hime alone and let him be himself, within the camp of the church.
It's okay to keep track of what Christians say and question what is said, but it's not okay before the church to harrass this member's almost every message. Jesus said you had to love Michael Harrison, and vice-versa too. It is not becoming to the church to see your mutual interaction, especially WildB is harassing Michael Harrison.
Be sweet to each other in the church of Christ:
with love, Eden
Well Eden, I shur remember when HM was making fun of you. Was that brotherly love?
and as proving some ones intent on a post that is not harassment, its a must.
A patriot in Christ,
wb
Posted by KnowHim (Member # 1) on
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Originally posted by WildB:
Then stop confusing her with this support of the filter doctrine from mh that cannot be held to scripture.
WildB,
You have no idea what you are talking about. Stop it with the filter thing. Yes God's word is a filter. It is the truth and is is what we use to see if what others tell us is truth.
You are only trying to cause trouble and I am getting very tire of it. So if you are not understanding what I am saying here is it:
QUIT CAUSING TROUBLE OR YOU WILL BE BANNED
not futher warning are going to be given. And your sarcasm will not be tolerated so don't try it.
David Campbell
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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Well David, The Lord will be well pleased.
For me to post against error is Christ and to be banned for doing so is gain.
The Bible is a mirror not a filter.
Jas.1
[25] But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Posted by KnowHim (Member # 1) on
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Originally posted by WildB:
Well David, The Lord will be well pleased.
For me to post against error is Christ and to be banned for doing so is gain.
The Bible is a mirror not a filter.
Jas.1
[25] But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Well once again this is your opinion which I believe to be wrong. God is not one to promote sarcasm as you so often do.
>>> The Bible is a mirror not a filter.
Yes a mirror of God who wrote the bible which is a love letter to us to show use the truth that needs to be applied to our lives.
It is not a mirrow of YOU! But of God.
But if you really want to do as
James 1:25 (KJV)
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
states then apply God's word the bible to your life. Not your opinions.
The verse is stating that one will know God's word and obey it. Then He will be blessed. Yes apply the filter of God's word the truth and be blessed. Obey the bible and not man.
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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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It is not a mirrow of YOU! But of God.
But it is a reflection of you as weighed out aginst what should be a true image of Grace.
Personal correction then can be made.
For we are made in his image.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
We are not filtered by God but Satan.
Luke.22
[31] And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
Posted by KnowHim (Member # 1) on
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Originally posted by WildB:
It is not a mirrow of YOU! But of God.
But it is a reflection of you as weighed out aginst what should be a true image of Grace.
Personal correction then can be made.
For we are made in his image.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
We are not filtered by God but Satan.
Luke.22
[31] And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
It looks to me that you are having a very hard time understands or you are just pointing out that you follow Satan. But I want to believe you just don’t understand.
Filtered means:
A device containing such a material, especially one used to extract impurities from air or water.
But in what we are talking about the bible is what we use as truth because it is God’s word. Anything we want to know as the truth will be compared to the bible, like a filter to see if it is pure.
If we are to run things by Satan to see if it is true we would be in deep dodo so to say as Satan is the father of lies.
So the bible is NOT a mirror of you but of God.
We on the other hand are all sinners a reflection sin.
Romans 3:10
As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;…
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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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In general, a sieve separates wanted/desired elements from unwanted material using a tool such as a mesh, net or other filtration or distillation methods, but it is also used for classification of powders by particle size, or for size measurement as an analytical technique. The word "sift" derives from this term. A strainer is a type of sieve typically associated with separating liquids from solids.
Jesus did not say that my Word wants to sift you out Peter~
Luke.22
[31] And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
No Jesus said LOOK INTO MY WORD.
Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on
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Is the use of the term 'filter' the best example? Well, it is one that is intelligible to some people, i.e. easy to grasp. In other words, some people get the picture when this illustration is used to demonstrate what takes place if we are yielded to Him. Because if we are not, or where we are not yielded to Him, then there is something manifest 'of us', that mars His image, so that people don't see Jesus in us. They see everyday human dirt, which to them indicates 'no change'. That is no way to represent Him, so the Bible admonishes us to grow into the "stature of the fullness of Christ," which is the understanding of transparency. To be transparent means His getting through because we are not a closed, or dirty window. So if we apply it in reverse to help us see, it also works. A dirty window filters out light! And the word allows us to see dirt on the window. In other words, light shows up dirt. Without light, we would not even know that the window was dirty.
But is the word a filter? A better description may be a 'cap', when we look at it like this. Our heart, as David said, is like a well spring. Yep! Scripture says that from our innermost being will flow rivers of living water. That would be Jesus, by His Spirit. But what happens, for effect is that the flesh is another well spring. And what it does if it is flowing is add impurities to the crystal clear well water. In other words, the flesh, if not 'capped off' will introduce mud into the clear water. And most will not drink of muddy water. I dare anyone to say that they would purchase bottled muddy water off of the shelf of a store. So we see that the word caps off, or filters out the mud flow. And if you are 'dead' then you don't muddy the water. You muddy the water by being alive, to self.
It is soooo common out there, that so many see themselves as 'reflecting' the light. They think of themselves as planets, or like moons, which reflect the light of the sun, as mirrors. But Jesus compared us with plants. So that if the light were like sap, it would not be reflecting. It would be coming through the person. He did not compare us with planets.
But in the case of planets, i.e. mirrors, the filter notion might still work. For a muddy mirror will not reflect much light. And a filter agent is to water what a cleansing agent would be to a solid object, like a mirror. It is like the window illustration. The light shows up dirt, which essentially is to say that it reveals where our faith is impure! For if our faith is impure, it blocks the light of His love and majesty.
But for one to think of one's self as a mirror, he would have to take credit as though his 'doing' reflected our Lord. That would be works instead of faith. That would effectively eliminate Him from being in their person, making Him to be outside them; and therefore they would think of themselves as 'imitating' , or 'reflecting' Him (which you will hear taught from pulpits). It is a mirror thing. But no one can 'imitate' Him. They would only be faking it by their own effort. The word filters this out however, to those looking to see, in the light of the word, whether one, (the one's self particularly) is really His, or shining Him forth.
Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on
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No covers, like a wing of a eagle.
If you filter something its still that something but with less poop.
There is nothing redeemable in us to be filtered.
imho
wb is no big deal! He is just crowding. But he believes what He does. May he someday see the light.
"No! Covers," you said. To cover would be to hide. Which would be better, to cover poop, or to filter it out? Which would still stink after acton was taken to deal with it, the covered, or the filtered? If your sin is cast from the east to the west (Psalms), is that covered, or filtered? Filtered means that the offending element, or compound is removed!
When you put on Jesus, you do so from the innermost of your heart outward. To get the real picture, it is more of Jesus putting you on, because He fills you from the inside. If you don't recognize this, you cover Him up. You hide Him. You deny Him. You override Him. You are like a mudcake covering. He is the one who gets hid.
But if you are broken, as it says:
"Upon whomsoever I fall, they shall be crushed, but whosoever shall fall upon me shall be broken."
If one falls upon Him and is broken, think of it like the mudpack covering is cracked off, revealing the true new man with Jesus (the light) inside!
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
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No covers, like a wing of a eagle.
If you filter something its still that something but with less poop.
There is nothing redeemable in us to be filtered.
imho
wb is no big deal! He is just crowding. But he believes what He does. May he someday see the light.
"No! Covers," you said. To cover would be to hide. Which would be better, to cover poop, or to filter it out? Which would still stink after acton was taken to deal with it, the covered, or the filtered? If your sin is cast from the east to the west (Psalms), is that covered, or filtered? Filtered means that the offending element, or compound is removed!
When you put on Jesus, you do so from the innermost of your heart outward. To get the real picture, it is more of Jesus putting you on, because He fills you from the inside. If you don't recognize this, you cover Him up. You hide Him. You deny Him. You override Him. You are like a mudcake covering. He is the one who gets hid.
But if you are broken, as it says:
"Upon whomsoever I fall, they shall be crushed, but whosoever shall fall upon me shall be broken."
If one falls upon Him and is broken, think of it like the mudpack covering is cracked off, revealing the true new man with Jesus (the light) inside!
Psalms.32
[1] Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
Is the use of the term 'filter' the best example? Well, it is one that is intelligible to some people, i.e. easy to grasp. In other words, some people get the picture when this illustration is used to demonstrate what takes place if we are yielded to Him. Because if we are not, or where we are not yielded to Him, then there is something manifest 'of us', that mars His image, so that people don't see Jesus in us. They see everyday human dirt, which to them indicates 'no change'. That is no way to represent Him, so the Bible admonishes us to grow into the "stature of the fullness of Christ," which is the understanding of transparency. To be transparent means His getting through because we are not a closed, or dirty window. So if we apply it in reverse to help us see, it also works. A dirty window filters out light! And the word allows us to see dirt on the window. In other words, light shows up dirt. Without light, we would not even know that the window was dirty.
But is the word a filter? A better description may be a 'cap', when we look at it like this. Our heart, as David said, is like a well spring. Yep! Scripture says that from our innermost being will flow rivers of living water. That would be Jesus, by His Spirit. But what happens, for effect is that the flesh is another well spring. And what it does if it is flowing is add impurities to the crystal clear well water. In other words, the flesh, if not 'capped off' will introduce mud into the clear water. And most will not drink of muddy water. I dare anyone to say that they would purchase bottled muddy water off of the shelf of a store. So we see that the word caps off, or filters out the mud flow. And if you are 'dead' then you don't muddy the water. You muddy the water by being alive, to self.
It is soooo common out there, that so many see themselves as 'reflecting' the light. They think of themselves as planets, or like moons, which reflect the light of the sun, as mirrors. But Jesus compared us with plants. So that if the light were like sap, it would not be reflecting. It would be coming through the person. He did not compare us with planets.
But in the case of planets, i.e. mirrors, the filter notion might still work. For a muddy mirror will not reflect much light. And a filter agent is to water what a cleansing agent would be to a solid object, like a mirror. It is like the window illustration. The light shows up dirt, which essentially is to say that it reveals where our faith is impure! For if our faith is impure, it blocks the light of His love and majesty.
But for one to think of one's self as a mirror, he would have to take credit as though his 'doing' reflected our Lord. That would be works instead of faith. That would effectively eliminate Him from being in their person, making Him to be outside them; and therefore they would think of themselves as 'imitating' , or 'reflecting' Him (which you will hear taught from pulpits). It is a mirror thing. But no one can 'imitate' Him. They would only be faking it by their own effort. The word filters this out however, to those looking to see, in the light of the word, whether one, (the one's self particularly) is really His, or shining Him forth.
On earth it is impossible for water to be pure unless is distilled. And then even this distillate, if it is exposed to air, starts to absorb gases.
Rosy colored glasses filters things out to.
The word of God Does not Sift us , Satan does.
Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on
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I know that makes you feel intelligent and informed wb, but that is one scripture. If we used that one verse to make our point, we would pull down a host of other scriptures.
And it may be that the inclination we have towards the word 'covered' in its simplest conveyance, is not what is really being conveyed when he said it this way. He may not be referring to himself in saying this, but to the effect of the actions he took; In other words, the mess he made by sinning.
If one wants to believe he is covered, then he believes that he is hid. Light does not hide. If reveals. But if one hides, that is, if they are covered, they can conceal all sorts of luridness. No! God's word 'changes'. It does not hide. And judgment day will be awful for those who thought that their benefit was in being hidden.
"Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do." (Heb 4:13 )
This doesn't sound like 'hid', or covered.
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
I know that makes you feel intelligent and informed wb, but that is one scripture. If we used that one verse to make our point, we would pull down a host of other scriptures.
And it may be that the inclination we have towards the word 'covered' in its simplest conveyance, is not what is really being conveyed when he said it this way. He may not be referring to himself in saying this, but to the effect of the actions he took; In other words, the mess he made by sinning.
If one wants to believe he is covered, then he believes that he is hid. Light does not hide. If reveals. But if one hides, that is, if they are covered, they can conceal all sorts of luridness. No! God's word 'changes'. It does not hide. And judgment day will be awful for those who thought that their benefit was in being hidden.
Let us read it in full, shall we.
1] Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
[2] Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
[3] When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.
[4] For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.
[5] I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.
[6] For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.
[7] Thou art my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah.
[8] I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.
[9] Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.
[10] Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, mercy shall compass him about.
[11] Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart.
Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on
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Yes indeed! That is good.
[9] Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.
8] I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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Better yet~
8] I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.
Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on
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[2] Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
The reason that HE can 'imputeth' not iniquity is because he is able to completely remove it! Therefore there is nothing to impute. Otherwise 'covered' is the only thing that would be possible. But that is the wrong concept. For that is not what HE does. He delivers from sin. Therefore HE delivers from the need to be 'covered'. Covered was an Old Testament concept. Therefore if one delves into the OT, they do so at the expense of the fulfillment of the law, who Christ is. They nullify the freedom whereby He has made us free. To be 'covered' is not to be free!!! That would translate into being in bondage, but covered while we are.
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
[2] Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
The reason that HE can 'imputeth' not iniquity is because he is able to completely remove it! Therefore there is nothing to impute. Otherwise 'covered' is the only thing that would be possible. But that is the wrong concept. For that is not what HE does.
Im not trying to be silly here, but reread your last statement in front of a mirror and filter nothing out.
Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on
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If you cannot trust Him to deliver from iniquity so that there is nothing to impute (filter out), then you are poorer for it. IF you refuse to see, that is between you and Him. If you see me as evil in this, then what filter is over your heart that you should see me this way? If you see through dirty eyes, you will discolor what you see. You will not see through His.
What does He see? I am not accountable to you (first) but to Him. If you see through His eyes, with His heart, you will have said something.
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
If you cannot trust Him to deliver from iniquity so that there is nothing to impute (filter out), then you are poorer for it. IF you refuse to see, that is between you and Him. If you see me as evil in this, then what filter is over your heart that you should see me this way? If you see through dirty eyes, you will discolor what you see.
Michael you don't stand or fall to me.
I just don't like your delivery. To many curve balls.
We are not here to strike out the baseball fans.
But to pitch scripture so as home run hits can be accomplished.
Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on
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As long as they are in your favor? We see differently. It is bound to happen here on earth, with someone. But as Paul, I labor to enlighten the believers that they may be exhorted unto the freedom that is within Him, that they be not ashamed, or dismayed. Neither should the clouds hide His face. A big constant hug, no matter the circumstances is what HE is after for you (the believer). But He cannot give it if the hearer will not let Him near. That is what leads to a homerun, and a touchdown.
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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You did play baseball ? Didn't ya?
You do know what a curveball is?
curve ball or curve·ball (kûrv'bôl')
n.
1. Baseball. Any of several pitches that veer to the left when thrown with the right hand and to the right when thrown with the left hand.
2. Slang. Something that is unexpected or designed to trick or deceive: That last question on the exam was a real curve ball.
idiom:
pitch (or throw) (someone) a curve ball Slang.
1. To mislead; deceive.
2. To cause to be surprised, especially unpleasantly so.
Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on
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If you look for a homerun for the glory of your own view, do you not 'walk before men'? But if you look for a homerun for His glory, are ye not better for it?
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
If you look for a homerun for the glory of your own view, do you not 'walk before men'? But if you look for a homerun for His glory, are ye not better for it?
If the team wants you to take one to cover up for a bad play by a player and you win , do you really win?
Matt.6
[1] Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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Originally posted by WildB:
The word of God Does not Sift us , Satan does.
God sifts His enemy;
Isaiah 30:27-28
Behold, the name of Jehovah cometh from far, burning with his anger, and in thick rising smoke: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue is as a devouring fire; and his breath is as an overflowing stream, that reacheth even unto the neck, to sift the nations with the sieve of destruction: and a bridle that causeth to err shall be in the jaws of the peoples.
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Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
30:27-33 God curbs and restrains from doing mischief. With a word he guides his people into the right way, but with a bridle he turns his enemies upon their own ruin. Here, in threatening the ruin of Sennacherib's army, the prophet points at the final and everlasting destruction of all impenitent sinners. Tophet was a valley near Jerusalem, where fires were continually burning to destroy things that were hurtful and offensive, and there the idolatrous Jews caused their children to pass through the fire to Moloch. This denotes the certainty of the destruction, as an awful emblem of the place of torment in the other world. No oppressor shall escape the Divine wrath. Let sinners then flee to Christ, seeking to be reconciled to Him, that they may be safe and happy, when destruction from the Almighty shall sweep away all the workers of iniquity.
Isaiah 54:16
Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the fire of coals, and bringeth forth a weapon for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.
Romans 9:17-29
For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, For this very purpose did I raise thee up, that I might show in thee my power, and that my name might be published abroad in all the earth. So then he hath mercy on whom he will, and whom he will be hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he still find fault? For who withstandeth his will?
Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why didst thou make me thus? Or hath not the potter a right over the clay, from the same lump to make one part a vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor?
What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering vessels of wrath fitted unto destruction: and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory, even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles?
As he saith also in Hosea, I will call that my people, which was not my people; And her beloved, that was not beloved. And it shall be, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, There shall they be called sons of the living God. And Isaiah crieth concerning Israel, If the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that shall be saved: for the Lord will execute his word upon the earth, finishing it and cutting it short.
And, as Isaiah hath said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, We had become as Sodom, and had been made like unto Gomorrah.
Isaiah 26:21
For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; And the earth will reveal her bloodshed And will no longer cover her slain.
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Originally posted by Michael Harrison
Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
The reason that HE can 'imputeth' not iniquity is because he is able to completely remove it! Therefore there is nothing to impute.
1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
It is not that we CAN no longer sin, but that we NEED no longer sin, for we are no longer sinners but Saints
The word of God does not teach "sinless perfection," but rather victory over sin in our bodies by abiding in Christ.
1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you that ye may not sin. And if any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
SIN is not dead, but on the authority of God's word, by faith in your union with Christ in His death and resurrection, YOU are dead to sin!
For ye died, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then shall ye also with him be manifested in glory.
Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on
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[Past tense] 1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
[Present tense] 1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[Present tense] 1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: [Sin prevents, or blinds]
[Present tense conditional]1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[Present tense, results]1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. [Victory!]
[Past tense] 1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [As long as we walk in the light. As long as we are under the blood. As long as we are under the Cross that the blood may cleanse us, or this immediately becomes present tense, once again]
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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Rom.5
[8] But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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Originally posted by WildB:
Rom.5
[8] But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
PRAISE GOD!!!
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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Corrected per Zenna.
The word of God Does not Sift us , Satan does, unless you are part of a ungodly Nation.
Then God will sift us by what He has said, not thru .
IMHO
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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Originally posted by WildB:
Corrected per Zenna.
The word of God Does not Sift us , Satan does, unless you are part of a ungodly Nation.
Agreed.
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Then God will sift us by what He has said, not thru .
IMHO
AMEN!
Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on
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[8] But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Christ didn't die for us to leave us in sin. He died for us while we were yet sinners that by His life, we could partake of His nature. That is why HE shed blood. And to ba partaker of His divine nature, we cannot 'abide' in sin. It is not possible to abide in sin if we partake of His nature.
If HE only covered our sin, then we for sure could not be a partaker of His divine nature. Our sin wouldn't allow it. It cannot be justified, covered, or hidden. It can be removed. It can be prevented.
Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on
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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
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[8] But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Christ didn't die for us to leave us in sin. He died for us while we were yet sinners that by His life, we could partake of His nature. That is why HE shed blood. And to ba partaker of His divine nature, we cannot 'abide' in sin. It is not possible to abide in sin if we partake of His nature.
If HE only covered our sin, then we for sure could not be a partaker of His divine nature. Our sin wouldn't allow it. It cannot be justified, covered, or hidden. It can be removed. It can be prevented.
He indeed covered Davids sin, but his unborn child would die.
Yet David said he would be within him.
2Sam.12
[23] But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
Posted by KnowHim (Member # 1) on
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Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.
Romans 3:31 (New Living Translation)
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