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July 16th and 17th - Lakewood Church Central Campus Grand Opening Weekend
Record Crowds Attend the Opening
On July 16th and 17th, more than 57,000 people attended the inaugural services at Lakewood Church Central. The services were broadcast live to over 80 million homes across America and 100 nations around the world on both the Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN) and Daystar Television Network.

An Extraordinary Endeavor
Because of God's hand of blessing and a heroic effort by everyone involved in the project, remodeling of the former Compaq Center took only 18 months. It was a mammoth undertaking, one of the largest in the 100-year history of the Tellepsen Company.

Here are some of the fun facts about our new facility:

The Central Campus has a total of 606,050 square feet, and it takes more than one million cubic feet of air conditioning per minute to cool it.
More than 500,000 square feet of carpet was installed
The total amount of paint used on the project would fill five Olympic-sized swimming pools.
On an average day, 183,800 cars and trucks pass by Lakewood Church Central.
We are proud that our new home isa Houstonlandmark. AsPastor Joel said, "It says a lot about the caliber of our citizens that one of the premier facilities in the city of Houston is a house of worship."

A Remarkable Journey, 1959-2005
Our new worship facility is the latest step in a remarkable journey that began almost 50 years ago. Because of God's blessings, the church that began in a feed store in 1959 is now the largest Christian church in America.

We are the inheritors of an extraordinary legacy of faith. As we carry the torch that has been passed to us into the 21st century, we move forward with the knowledge that we are people of destiny. We believe that God has great and mighty things in store for us, and we are excited about what the future holds.

Thank you for your faithful prayers and continued support that has made this vision a reality. Together, we will reach people that no one else can reach and we will make a difference in this generation like no other church in history.

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heres some pics i found....






 

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Posted by hardcore (Member # 4492) on :
 
I can't even comment right now. I think this Spurgeon quote speaks best:

"That very church which the world likes best is sure to be that which God abhors." .... Charles Haddon Spurgeon, July 1859.
 

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Posted by JAVA (Member # 4576) on :
 
God has given me an acute level of discernment, too much at times but I have seen this guy Joel speak and just looking at him I feel as if something is wrong. I may be wrong but something that big, though it says in the scriptures that many will come to the Lord in the end of days, seems...well, it sure does'nt seem good to me.

Then again it is just my opinion.
Look at the pics and pray.


 

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Posted by hardcore (Member # 4492) on :
 

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Originally posted by JAVA:
God has given me an acute level of discernment, too much at times but I have seen this guy Joel speak and just looking at him I feel as if something is wrong. I may be wrong but something that big, though it says in the scriptures that many will come to the Lord in the end of days, seems...well, it sure does'nt seem good to me.

Then again it is just my opinion.
Look at the pics and pray.

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I understand. Don't you feel like this sometimes? - Ecc 1:18 For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

Can you point me to the scripture(s) you're referencing here?

"...though it says in the scriptures that many will come to the Lord in the end of days..."
 

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Posted by JAVA (Member # 4576) on :
 

This is the pastor of Lakewood church, take a good look. I mean really look at him.
 

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Posted by JAVA (Member # 4576) on :
 
I didn't see your thread before I posted hardcore but yes I do feel that way there is much sorroe that goes with many gifts of the spirit.i was refering to the Gospel being preached to the ends of the Earth, therefore an increase in the faith. I was rattled also, trying post while in a state of almost shock. I really felt something BAD when I saw this guy before now... well I should have paid attention to that feeling.


 

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Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 

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Originally posted by JAVA:
This is the pastor of Lakewood church, take a good look. I mean really look at him.

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Everybody keeps trying to tell us that they are judging the message, not the person. hhmmmm.

 

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Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 
The Lord is coming soon and I take this as a sign that this is part of the revival as prophesied for the last days.

Acts 2:17-18 In the last days, God says,will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. Even on my servants, both men and women,I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.

Let me refresh your memory on what Joel Osteen's basic beliefs are.


"It was never my desire or intention to leave any doubt as to what I believe and Whom I serve. I believe with all my heart that it is only through Christ that we have hope in eternal life. I regret and sincerely apologize that I was unclear on the very thing in which I have dedicated my life.

Jesus declared in John 14; I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me. I believe that Jesus Christ alone is the only way to salvation. However, it wasn’t until I had the opportunity to review the transcript of the interview that I realize I had not clearly stated that having a personal relationship with Jesus is the only way to heaven. It’s about the individual’s choice to follow Him."


God is LOVE
 

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Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 

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Originally posted by bygrace:
Hisgrace,
Please help me to understand better...I do know that you hold a different view than those expressed here in this section, I know that is does upset you greatly, and that is one reason there is a whole separate room now for this. Why then do you come in here? I don't get it!

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Originally posted by bygrace:
You are correct Hisgrace- you may indeed post your opinion...
I deleted my post- however I would like to say- that those who hold opposite view than yours aren't to post that in Bible study. (or this is my understanding of it)

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This is absolutely not true. I have different doctrinal views than some of my best friends and that has been reflected in our posts. There is a respectful way of doing this.

All is forgiven bygrace.
 

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Posted by bygrace (Member # 4847) on :
 
yes you are right Hisgrace there is a respectful way.

I have not at all tamed my flesh completly, and this is sometimes showing.

I do wish that everyone saw this though.

There have been some pretty snide remarks flying as of late but with no apologies.

We all have our fleshly moments, but we must repent and die to it.

I wonder about the ones who never try to make things right.

Sorry again, bygrace
 

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Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 

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Originally posted by bygrace:
yes you are right Hisgrace there is a respectful way.
We all have our fleshly moments, but we must repent and die to it.
I wonder about the ones who never try to make things right.
Sorry again, bygrace

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I don't know if that snide comment was meant for me, but the only thing that may be up for question is the remark I made concerning Joel Osteen.

I am asking for forgiveness if I am wrong, but I thought posting his picture and making snide personal remarks about him was in very poor taste.

Once again we have to start afresh
 

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Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
They say a picture is worth a thousand words I tought these pictures were worth a thousand words:


You know that the glee on this multitude of faces is not because they are looking to see Jesus or HIS kingdom because the scripture says HIS kingdom is within and does not come with observation - so what are they gleefully looking for? What their meny has built? But Jesus builds tabernacles that dont require paint and carpet.



I loved this one too. Reminds me of this scripture: Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:



Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.




Mr. Osteen seems quite pleased with his accomplishments.....



But are they God's accomplishments? Do you think he is pleased?









Revelation 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
 

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Posted by bygrace (Member # 4847) on :
 
No, I wasn't speaking of you.

I really didn't pay attention to the comment about Joel.

I was just stating in general terms- that many things have been said that have hurt people.

I wasn't referring to you about that.

I was just making a general comment...it is so difficult to convey emotions on this computer.

tones and body language change the meaning.

I wish that could be reflected better.

I was apologizing to you for being gruff, and speaking too quickly without hearing your reasons.

I am not angry. Or being snide, promise.

bygrace
 

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Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 
No problem bygrace
 

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Posted by BORN AGAIN (Member # 5) on :
 
joel osteen is boring. That's all I need to know.
 

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Posted by hardcore (Member # 4492) on :
 

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joel osteen is boring. That's all I need to know.

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I think so too.
 

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Posted by BORN AGAIN (Member # 5) on :
 
And the reason why joel osteen is boring is because he "waters down the gospel" (been there, done that, milky Christians, time for solid food for me). But there are still many babes in Christ (lazy as the dickens, many of them, would rather be bottle-fed with milk than **** their own milk from their own Word of God).

But that folksy, milky contents is no longer for me; it bores me now; I need to hurry; I don't have time for that.

God bless, BORN AGAIN
 

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Posted by andyman (Member # 4781) on :
 
Whoo-Hoo!!!

helpforhomeschoolers!! Thank you so much for checking out Gospel For Asia!!! Thanks!! Please help out if you can, or tell someone about it! Be sure to check out Fire on the Altar as well!

hmmmm....heres the same story about the Compaq from a different source. Its very well done...

clicky

interesting enough...Just doing the math real quick - If one week of American television audience for JOM, each household donated about 50 cents, that would comepletly wipe off the church debt there as well as funding a years worth of television time. just thinking...

however, sadly though... Is how come no one ever checks out or posts anything under Christian Evangelism..

Comon guys! "Exposing False Teaching" is important, and im glad to see its growth, but our ultimate mission is to win souls! Please make C.E. and P.D. come alive guys.
 

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Posted by BORN AGAIN (Member # 5) on :
 
andyman writes

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Please make C.E. and P.D. come alive guys.

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How about making B.C. and A.D. come alive?

God bless, BORN AGAIN
 

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Posted by JAVA (Member # 4576) on :
 
Well I will definately NOT aplolgize, recant or change in any way shape or form what I said about J.O. He is making millions off the Gospel just like Benny Hinn did and I have watched him since my last post to make sure I still felt the same way, no doubt about it I think he is a crook. I felt that way about Jim baker when everybody said how annionted his ministry was and how nuts I was not to trust him.
I posted his pic and made those comments because that is how I feel. If you dont like it I am not sorry in any way shape or form. It is who I am and I love me.
Love you guys.


 

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Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 4667) on :
 
Java,

You cannot see into Joel Osteen's heart nor do you know what is in his heart. Only God knows that because only God is qualified to do that. You sound so biased. So far as Joel's picture would you want to be judged on how you look or how you appear in a picture? Do you believe that your picture would reveal the truth of what is in your heart? Perhaps you'd like to post your picture and let others comment on it.

Only God knows the truth about each and every one of His annoited ministers - all the speculations and all of the assertions will not change that fact.
 

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Posted by becauseHElives (Member # 87) on :
 
Grandmajo

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You cannot see into Joel Osteen's heart nor do you know what is in his heart. Only God knows that because only God is qualified to do that.

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The scriptures tell us out of the abundance of the mouth the heart speaks.

OSTEEN: No. Here's my thing, Larry, is I can't judge somebody's heart. You know? Only God can look at somebody's heart, and so -- I don't know. To me, it's not my business to say, you know, this one is or this one isn't. I just say, here's what the Bible teaches and I'm going to put my faith in Christ. And I just I think it's wrong when you go around saying, you're saying you're not going, you're not going, you're not going, because it's not exactly my way. I'm just...

KING: But you believe your way.

OSTEEN: I believe my way. I believe my way with all my heart.

KING: But for someone who doesn't share it is wrong, isn't he?

OSTEEN: Well, yes. Well, I don't know if I look at it like that. I would present my way, but I'm just going to let God be the judge of that. I don't know. I don't know.

KING: So you make no judgment on anyone?

OSTEEN: No. But I...

KING: What about atheists?

OSTEEN: You know what, I'm going to let someone -- I'm going to let God be the judge of who goes to heaven and hell. I just -- again, I present the truth, and I say it every week. You know, I believe it's a relationship with Jesus. But you know what? I'm not going to go around telling everybody else if they don't want to believe that that's going to be their choice. God's got to look at your own heart. God's got to look at your heart, and only God knows that.

KING: You believe there's a place called heaven?

OSTEEN: I believe there is. Yes. You know, you've had a lot of the near-death experiences and things like that. Some of that is very, to me, not that you need that as proof, but it shows you these little kids seeing the angels and things like that.

Joel Olsteen is I believe sincere,it is just that he is sincerely wrong, you should not preach your opinion, you should not open your mouth if you are not 100% sure of what you are saying
 

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Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 4667) on :
 
God does know Joel Osteen's heart and He knows everyone else's heart.
 

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Posted by Watcher (Member # 3589) on :
 
Jer 17:9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
 

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Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 4667) on :
 
Jeremiah 17:10 I the Lord test the mind and search the heart, to give to all according to their ways, according to the fruit of their doings.
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 
Jeremiah 17:
5: Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
6: For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.
7: Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.
8: For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.
9: The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
10: I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
11: As the partridge sitteth on eggs, and hatcheth them not; so he that getteth riches, and not by right, shall leave them in the midst of his days, and at his end shall be a fool.
 

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Posted by becauseHElives (Member # 87) on :
 
Grandmago,

I will stay with the few,Jesus said few will enter eternal life

the many (multitudes)are following those that teach the same gospel as Joel Olsteen, easy believism and compromise

You may be to blind to see, but listen to Jesus's words

Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets. (KJV)

you want find the multitudes rushing to hear the message of repentance

you will find them going to hear about health, wealth, and live like you want, sin is no problem, Jesus expects nothing from you, no cross, no Lordship. This is the gospel of Joel Olsteen, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Myres, Benny Hinn and the whole name it claim it, Word of Faith, Trinity Broadcast crowd

You may not be able to know rotten fruit when you see it but I can, and they are and Joel is at the top of the rotten fruit list

His own word condemn him, it sad you can't see that
 

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Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 4667) on :
 
God knows what is in everyone's heart for He sees into everyone's heart. You cannot do that, BecauseHeLives, for you are not qualified to do so. That's just the way it is!
 

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Posted by JAVA (Member # 4576) on :
 
Grandmajo, I also told you that I have heard him speak on several occassions and that is why I think and feel thatway.


 

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Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
I had never 'heard' Osteen before, but I'd sure read enough about him to understand that he's another Robert Schuller with all the "Positive Thought" stuff.

My husband and I came across his show last night and I just HAD to watch to see what this guy was all about. It turned out to be their first broadcast from their "Mega-Church" and it was just unbelievable. Ian and I sat there looking at eachother with our jaws dropped as scripture was quoted out of context or totally twisted. He kept mentioning the name Jesus, but we didn't hear one word of the Gospel. We turned it off after 15 minutes. It seemed like we were watching some guy glorifying himself and his accomplishments and then claiming his "Gene" (god) had done this for them. I thought of Joyce Meyers when he said "Look what god has done" (that's on a sign outside of Meyers vast complex she calls home).

The saddest part of this is that there are So Many folks who think this guy is "God's Annointed." They'll defend him (and others like him) with everything they've got and never once listen to all the real Scripture that's quoted to them trying to show them the TRUTH - GOD's Truth. It's frustrating sometimes, but were were told that it would be this way. God have Mercy!
 

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Posted by JAVA (Member # 4576) on :
 
AMEN Softtouch-->
 

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Posted by hardcore (Member # 4492) on :
 

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Originally posted by SoftTouch:
My husband and I came across his show last night and I just HAD to watch to see what this guy was all about. It turned out to be their first broadcast from their "Mega-Church" and it was just unbelievable. Ian and I sat there looking at eachother with our jaws dropped as scripture was quoted out of context or totally twisted. He kept mentioning the name Jesus, but we didn't hear one word of the Gospel. We turned it off after 15 minutes. It seemed like we were watching some guy glorifying himself and his accomplishments and then claiming his "Gene" (god) had done this for them. I thought of Joyce Meyers when he said "Look what god has done" (that's on a sign outside of Meyers vast complex she calls home).

The saddest part of this is that there are So Many folks who think this guy is "God's Annointed." They'll defend him (and others like him) with everything they've got and never once listen to all the real Scripture that's quoted to them trying to show them the TRUTH - GOD's Truth. It's frustrating sometimes, but were were told that it would be this way. God have Mercy!

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Originally posted by becauseHElives:
Grandmago,

I will stay with the few,Jesus said few will enter eternal life

the many (multitudes)are following those that teach the same gospel as Joel Olsteen, easy believism and compromise

You may be to blind to see, but listen to Jesus's words

Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets. (KJV)

you want find the multitudes rushing to hear the message of repentance

you will find them going to hear about health, wealth, and live like you want, sin is no problem, Jesus expects nothing from you, no cross, no Lordship. This is the gospel of Joel Olsteen, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Myres, Benny Hinn and the whole name it claim it, Word of Faith, Trinity Broadcast crowd

You may not be able to know rotten fruit when you see it but I can, and they are and Joel is at the top of the rotten fruit list

His own word condemn him, it sad you can't see that

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Originally posted by Gramajo320
God knows what is in everyone's heart for He sees into everyone's heart. You cannot do that, BecauseHeLives, for you are not qualified to do so. That's just the way it is!

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BecauseHeLives, your posting should be addressed to everyone.

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I am address your comments

in other post I am talking to BA, or Linda or someone else, I speak directly to them

in other post I speak in general to the whole board

in the scriptures sometimes the word is speaking to an individual, other times the word is talking to a crowd or a Nation

no offence intended to you personally,
 

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Posted by shadowmaker (Member # 3696) on :
 
This post has really bothered me bc I watch Joel rather often. I m very cautious about who I watch and I read the Bible verus hes preaching about myself. I cant think of once that any verus has been twisted or misquoted.

He never begs for money, he doesnt sell a "special water" or oil. To me, I dont find anything wrong with him.

Everybody keeps bringing up the Larry king thing, even our pastor mentioned it. But anybody who has watched LK, knows he hammers them, the pressure alone would be bad enough without him slamming you with questions. Even Joel admitted later, he messed up.

Sorry, I dont find anything "evil" or "uneasy" about him.
 

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Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :
 
shadowmaker,

If it was just the Larry King show I would agree. But his book sounds like new age. Picture something in your mind and God will give it to you. This does not sound like God's Word to me.
betty
 

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Posted by shadowmaker (Member # 3696) on :
 
I have his book but havent read it yet. I dont know anything about the "new Age" stuff either. Dont know what they teach. I m been watching Lakewood Church since the late 90s, just having a hard time with this post. Maybe God showed it to me for a reason.

Brad
 

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Posted by BORN AGAIN (Member # 5) on :
 
At a minimum, Joel Osteen serves as a catalyst which often is all that is needed. Each individual in his congregation is impacted by the gospel message in his/her own way--many of them no doubt going on to become in-depth Christians who will receive rewards, while many remain more nominal Christians who will not receive any rewards but they themselves will be saved.

I think it is impossible for us to judge from where we sit how the gospel is impacting each individual. As such, Joel Osteen serves as a catalyst to get each individual started.

God bless, BORN AGAIN
 

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Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 4667) on :
 
Shadowmaker,

Amen to your posting and I am in agreement with you. God bless!
 

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Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :
 
Shadowmaker,

If you do not have a problem with a preacher who says that he does not use the term sin or sinner because it is offensive to people and finds it not important to have a cross anywhere in his Church, you should be happy with Joel Osteen. I do have a problem with these things so I do not watch him.

I suggest that you do not let me sway you but you pray God's will. Let the Holy Spirit guide you in this.
betty
 

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Posted by shadowmaker (Member # 3696) on :
 
I hadnt noticed the cross not being there until I read it on his site. That in itself does make me wonder. He does use sin and sinner in his sinners prayer. But I dont recall a message about it.

Brad
 

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Posted by andyman (Member # 4781) on :
 

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Originally posted by shadowmaker:
I hadnt noticed the cross not being there until I read it on his site. That in itself does make me wonder. He does use sin and sinner in his sinners prayer. But I dont recall a message about it.

Brad

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Originally posted by Gramajo320:
Soft Touch,

Joel Osteen certainly is a born again believer and whether you believe it or not does not matter at all. What matters is that God knows Joel Osteen's heart which is something that you cannot even begin to claim to know because you are a mere human being and you cannot see into his heart.

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I NEVER said he wasn't a born-again believer, and I NEVER Judged his heart. Read my post again please. Thank You
 

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Posted by becauseHElives (Member # 87) on :
 
Gramajo320,

You or anyone else can not say with certainty whose name are written in the book of life, and you don't not know whose names may be blotted out at some point.

Yahweh and Yahweh alone know the names of the faithful.

It is the job of every minister and lay person of the word of Yahweh to encourage each other while it is still today, Today is the day of salvation, Yahweh is continually examining the hearts of men and women. Eternity's roll call is absolutely in His hands.

He has not made you are me judge over eternal matters, we can only judge what we see today based on the word of Yahweh.

If it don't look and talk like Yeshua, there should be a big question mark ?

My son-in-law is a veterinarian, he has two parrots that say just about anything you want to hear , but what does that prove,

Being born again is a completely new nature,

Out of the abundant of the heart the mouth speaks

If you still enjoy the things of the old nature, not much faith there

YESHUA SAID of the born again , THOSE THINGS I ONCE LOVE I NOW HATE

AND THE THINGS I ONCE HATED I NOW LOVE

As I yield to the new nature I find life

If I do not yield to the new nature I find death

Freewill , the new birth does not take it away

Learn the parable of the sower and understand it or perish into eternal death!
 

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Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
Just in case you missed it...

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Originally posted by SoftTouch:
How could a preacher (or anybody) lead another in the sinners prayer if they don't first explain what is means to be a sinner? How Grevious our Sin is to God and how desperately we need to repent and be forgiven?

Joel himself said in that interview with King that he doesn't use the words sin, or sinner...

Anyone can repeat the sinners prayer, but if they don't understand what it really means, and really mean those words themselves, in their hearts, then are they really repenting of their sins and recieving salvation?

Yes, it is the job of the Holy Spirit to convict us of our sin... but if someone hasn't been told what sin is, how can they be convicted of it?

Part of a Pastors job is to preach on Why we are seperated from God... what caused that seperation... how we daily (sometimes without even knowing it) continue that seperation... Then preach the Only Way to be SAVED from our Sinful nature - Through the Shed Blood of Jesus the Christ - Our Savior. If they don't explain the WHOLE Thing... they haven't preached the Gospel.

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Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 4667) on :
 
Soft Touch,

I didn't miss anything at all in your posting but I do know unequivocally what the Holy Spirit tells me and that is you are wrong about Joel Osteen and yes God is the only one who sees into Joel's heart and God is the judge of everyone whether you accept that fact or not it's true.
As far as your link I've heard all about it and what it's all about and I wouldn't go near it with a 100 ft. pole. This is all I have to say to you but you need to remember that whatever way you judge others God will judge you and He means what He says!

A note to you, Because HeLives, I would never in my life to presume to think that I could know who goes to heaven or to satan's resident the way I've seen some others do. You don't presume to do so either. You should not presume either that you can see what is in anyone's heart. Only God can do that and that fact is true whether any one likes it or not. End of subject!
 

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Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :
 
Unfortunately, we can see alot of what is in someone's heart when they write books and lay out what they think for all to read. I believe Joel Osteen's books alone will contemn him as a Preacher who has sold out for money and numbers. I take no pleasure in this truth. It breaks my heart that a man with so much talent and such a great calling has allowed his greed to cause him to compromise his ministry.

I believe that he is one of the ones that Paul talks about that is tickling the ears of his followers instead of preaching the meat of the Gospel.

While we can listen and read his own words and see that he has fallen from his calling we should take no joy in this but pray for him.

GramaJo, As one from Houston, it breaks my heart because I would love to be able to say what a great Preacher from my home town, but sad to say, I only feel pity for him. I ask you, my friend, to pray for Joel. Pray that God will lead him once again to put God first and not be so concerned about money and numbers. May God bless you and Debbie. You both love God very much. You both, I am sure are concerned when the Gospel of our Lord Jesus water-down by Preachers. Let us all join together as Children of God and pray for Preachers and each other. I wish you both a blessed day tomorrow.
betty
 

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Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 4667) on :
 
Hi Betty,

Yes I totally agree with you that we should all pray for one another and pray for Joel too. After all we are all God's children and God loves us all! We have such an awesome God and He is such a source of comfort for us all of the time without which we'd be having a very difficult time coping in this world. I think of all the various gospel songs and I have so many favorites! The song How Great Thou Art is running through my mind tonight.

Betty, you are such a blessing to this board and thank you very much for you being here on this board!

You have a very blessed wonderful night and day tomorrow and I'll be seeing you on the board and looking forward to reading more of your postings!
God bless you and your husband!

Love,
Joanne
 

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Posted by andyman (Member # 4781) on :
 
ahahahahahaaaa!!!!!!!! You must not like me at all Gramajo. haha whatever... i was gone for a few days, but sorry, i just couldnt resist!!!

If your just going to go at me like that, fine then thats your call, you deserve to be embarrassed.

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I have personally heard Joel Osteen many times issue the invitation to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour and I've heard him many times have the congregation pray the sinner's prayer. He most assuredly is no moron either!
Calling him a moron shows such disrespect!

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Originally posted by Gramajo320:
I have personally heard Joel Osteen many times issue the invitation to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour and I've heard him many times have the congregation pray the sinner's prayer. He most assuredly is no moron either!
Calling him a moron shows such disrespect!

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I am so glad that Osteen uses the sinners prayer because I wouldn't know what to do if he didn't.
 

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Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 4667) on :
 
God is the one and only Judge and also the one and only one who can see into each person's heart and knows each and every person's heart. I'm sure it grieves God when He sees all the mocking words and mocking of others which is not the way a christian should do. Mockery is detestable and in very poor taste for anyone to resort to.
 

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Posted by oneyearandcounting (Member # 4449) on :
 
Baaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


Oh and here comes a ditch also.


God bless
greg
 

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Posted by JAVA (Member # 4576) on :
 
Making a mockery of the Lord Jesus Christ is detestable and to those who do, I will post pictures and anything that I wish to expose thier worldly ways. That magazine cover is hilarious and pathetic in the fact that J-O could be compared to the heavens and earth that our Lord created. And the fact that J-O did not protest in its distribution is a sure sign of his arrogance.


 

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Posted by BORN AGAIN (Member # 5) on :
 
JAVA writes

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And the fact that J-O did not protest in its {the magazine's} distribution is a sure sign of his arrogance.

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No, I think that Joel Osteen is willing to use any means, even a "tongue-in-cheek" cover in which he is at least shown to be holding a Bible, to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ:

Romans 11:14
If by any means I may provoke to emulation them who are my flesh, and might save some of them.

Philippians 1:18
What then? Notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and therein I do rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.

God bless, BORN AGAIN
 

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