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Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Lets examine the current situation that exists in America between "liberals" and "conservatives". Each side has its supposed "agenda", but when it comes right down to it, these "labels" are all part of a larger shell game.
It's reminiscent of the story the Wizard of Oz where both sides are doing the dirty work of a hidden figure that is lurking behind a curtain. And although these individuals may disagree on the particulars, they all want the same end, so they use a variety of different means to attain it.
Two of these tactics are distraction and disinformation. The Controllers keep everyone fighting each other instead of focusing their energy on the REAL enemy. They do it by clandestinely financing each opposing group, then standing back to watch the aftermath as they fight like cats and dogs.
After all, lets not forget about What George Wallace meant when he said,
George Wallace (former Presidential candidate) said:
"There isn't a dime's worth of difference between the Democratic and Republican parties."
The truth is that the decisions are not being made by any of the above groups. Not at all. The decisions in American politics are really being made at the top of an evil pyramid structure, and at the top (along with others) are about 5 groups, The Illuminati, The Bilderberg Group, The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), The Trilateral Commission, And The Darkside Of The FreeMasons.
Yep, thats right. The American President has been a puppet for these groups since way back from Jimmy Carter on up (And some say even before that).
The American people do not make the decisions in America. Their vote no longer has any true merit. The President doesn't either, neither does the Congress, neither does the Senate. They are all controlled by the above groups, and I will get into that in more detail here in the next few posts.
Posted by Betty Louise (Member # 7175) on
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"There isn't a dime's worth of difference between the Democratic and Republican parties.
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I disagree. Mind you I think that neither party is for the people any more. The Republican party will put more conservatives on the Supreme Court and George Bush put two during his terms. Also, the Democratic party would have abortion on demand at any time during the pregnancy for any reason.
betty
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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It's important for people to remember that the Controllers don't consider themselves Democrats or Republicans. They don't see themselves falling into those "pity categories".
And that's because the Controllers have only one thing in mind - their own individual self interest. In the context of history then, this means that their chief goals are wealth and power. That, my friends, is the way the Controllers work.
But let's get down to the nitty-gritty here. Here's the first lesson that everybody should learn:
The supposed Republican and Democrat battle that we see on TV and read about in the newspapers is a fallacy. It's nothing but an illusion that the Controllers have created to keep people diverted from the Truth.
Hard to believe that hey? As long as the two parties have been around for? But it's true.
Anyone that falls for this trick (including myself in the past) has a limited view of the World. They've been conditioned into believing the Big Lie! It's almost childish how these folks run around saying that the Republicans are to blame for everything, or the Democrats, or that certain members in both of the parties such as Bill Clinton, George Bush, are the problem. They have such foolish outlooks that it becomes ridiculous to watch them playing the Controllers game. Almost like chickens running around with their heads cut off. Of course, the Democrats and the Republicans can be dangerous, but many of them are only the puppets for the REAL power....the hidden power.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Do you guys know what the Controller's greatest joy is? It's seeing all these talking heads on TV arguing about the Republicans being right and the Democrats being wrong, or vice versa. What a scam. All they need to do is keep a few "plants" on each of the television and radio stations to perpetuate the ruse, and the meaningless debates will continue forever.
It's all a put on. There's no effective difference between the Democrats and the Republicans. It's all a fallacy. Especially when they reach the upper echelon of power. Do you think it really mattered if George Bush or John Kerry won the election? The Controllers own both of them. They're bought and paid for. Hell, by the next election, the Controllers will probably have the entire voting system rigged so it doesn't matter who you vote for because the outcome will already be predetermined.
If the Controllers can make everyone so disgusted with the current system, they'll flock to online voting. This will completely eliminate the possibility of an outsider entering the Oval Office. You have to figure it's a helluva lot easier to control a few computer programmers than it is a countless number of volunteers working at the fire hall or county courthouse.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Folks, politics on a national level is nothing more than professional wrestling. Both of them have predetermined outcomes, and they **** people in with a bunch of phony dramatics. That's why the Controllers believe that the people can never learn about Votescam until it's too late. What they want to do is keep people divided....to keep them fighting among themselves. That's why they keep polarizing the populace with superficial issues like social security, campaign finance reform, or whether to keep our borders open or closed. And ya know what? So far, it has always worked.
The Controllers laugh like crazy at all of us when we battle against each other when in reality we should be focusing on the real enemy - THEM! If we really saw who was manipulating our lives, then they'd never be able to keep pushing ahead with their agenda. If we really saw them for who they are, we'd run them out of town in a second. And then guess what would happen? We'd be able to increase our freedom, keep our money, govern ourselves, and rise on the scale of understanding and truth. But, no, no, no, the Controllers don't want any of those things.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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So the Controllers keep creating new conflicts and phony issues that split people apart and divert our attention away from them. They get us all so enraged that we actually start to hate each other. Look at the environmentalists versus the businessmen, or the abortionists versus the right-to-lifers. These people rip each other to shreds like dogs. It's sick.
If you really want to know how depraved the Controllers can be, take a look at war. They sit in their insulated offices in Washington, D.C. and send our kids into the jungles and deserts to kill each other....all the while filling the folks back home with so much propaganda that we're standing on the sidelines cheering them on! Can you believe it? Can you believe what they are getting away with?
The Controllers will create an emergency out of thin air to get rid of a troublemaker who threatens their power base, and then manipulate US into doing the dirty work for them. And when it's all been said and done, they'll use those wars to secure their stronghold and become even more powerful and dictatorial.
And all the while our attention is being diverted from what's really going on.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Ok so here's a little quiz for you guys....
During every Federal election, do the networks and major newspapers actually send their own reporters and researchers into polling places, scrambling to discern who the potential winners will be so they can be the first to "scoop" their competitors with the election results?
ANSWER: NO!
The networks don't compete for vote totals. CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN and FOX all belong to VNS - the "Voter News Service", which is a consortium of mass media conglomerates that have pooled their resources and have the exclusive right (bestowed by Congress) to count the votes in every state. None of them compete for these votes! They all come from the same source - VNS - located at 225 W. 34th Street in New York City.
In other words, when you watch the "drama" on each of the network broadcasts where they're frantically scrambling to be the first to announce a winner, it's nothing but an illusion. A lie!
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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VNS compiles ALL the data from every election; then posts it simultaneously for each network, plus the major newspapers. SIMULTANEOUSLY. Which means what? Which means that THEY ALL GET IT AT THE SAME EXACT TIME!
In fact, both Time Magazine (March 2, 1992) and Margaret Sims of the "Federal Elections Commission Report (1994) reported that the six primary members of this group (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX, and AP) received the EXACT same "exit poll" information at the same time and from the same company.
Folks, that's why these networks can declare a winner in a multitlude of races only one minute after the polls close. The Associated Press (June 1, 2001 page A04) even reported that the above six media organizations renewed their contract with VNS despite the overwhelming corruption of the 2000 presidential election.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Do you see what's happening right here? It's all professional wrestling. So why doesn't any major news reporter admit to the American public on election night that there is no drama, no scrambling for data, and no heated competition among them for the election results? You tell me...because it all comes from the same source.
So the answer, regrettably, is that this frantic "professional wrestling" scenario is a technique or excuse that is needed to steal your vote.
And if this is the case, some may ask, why haven't we heard about it before? The answer, quite simply, is that you should have because there are plenty of influential people in the media who know about it, but are simply covering for the the Controllers.
I mean lets be real here folks. The people involved with the media HAVE TO BE aware of votescam. How could they not be? They are either willingly or unwillingly a part of it. And their silence is unforgivable.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Ok so before delving into all this stuff, let's take a few case histories that we can take a good hard look at in order to prove the problems confronting us, but also to find a way to correct this situation. A kill 2 birds with 1 stone kinda thing.
For example, in the 1970 Dade County, Florida election, Jim and Ken Collier, authors of Votescam, found that three minutes after the poles had closed, all of the major networks had already projected the winners in over 250 races! Only one minute after the polls had closed, Channel 7 projected that a certain candidate would not only win, but would receive 96,499 total votes. Well, when the official results were returned, guess how many votes this candidate received? -- 96,499. Channel 7 was 100% accurate only one minute after the voting had ended!
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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The question we should all be asking ourselves is: How can the networks not only be so accurate, but arrive at these startling projections one to three minutes after the polls close? Think about it. After the voting stations close at 9:00 PM, what needs to be done? Tens of thousands of punch card ballots need to be collected; then they must be fed into a punch card reader.
To read even a few drawers of cards is quite an ordeal, considering all the misfeeds, jams, ect. And after all the cards are read, the data needs to be compiled, organized, printed out, and then transmitted to the television station where it'll be prepped for broadcast. Do you really believe that all of those steps can be completed in one-to-three minutes? Yeah right.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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The Collier Brothers found it very implausible, so they went to Channel 7 and tried to track down the "super computer" that made these projections only one-to-three minutes after the polls closed, all with 99-100% accuracy. But the first thing they wanted to know was which reporter called in the raw totals to the television studio. They were told that it wasn't a reporter, after all, but a member of the League of Women Voters.
Since only a handful of reporters could be out in the field (considering that this was only an affiliate station), it would seem logical that only a few precincts could be sampled. But how, they wondered, could 99% of the precincts be reporting by 11:00 - only two hours after the polls closed? The League of Women Voters must have been incredibly efficient.
So, the Colliers visited Joyce Deiffenderfer, head of the local League of Women Voters, and asked for a list of all the people who had counted votes on election night (since Channel 7 said that's where they got their results). Realizing that the cat was out of the bag, Ms. Deiffenderfer, in tears, admitted that there weren't any League of Women Voter members in any of the precincts that night. They hadn't counted a single vote, and she said that she didn't "want to get caught up in this thing".
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Hmmmm.....so within three minutes of the poll's closing, the TV station had projections that were 99-100% accurate, and within two hours, 99% of all the precincts had supposedly reported their results. But it's funny because no one was able to locate the super computer that made the fabulous projections. Nor could anyone be found that even counted or reported the vote counts! I wonder where all the numbers came from?
Another example would be that in 1973, in Florida, Printomatic Voting Machines had been installed to make the entire process run smoother. All of the Printomatic devices have a locked area in back that every election supervisor is supposed to check before the election to insure that all the wheels were set at zero. But all of the keys had been taken away from the supervisors, so none of the totals could be verified. Shortly after the polls opened, the paper rolls began to jam in all the machines, making them inoperable.
Since no one could vote, the backs of each device were eventually opened, and when the paper rollers were pulled out, they all had the final vote totals already printed on them at seven o'clock in the morning! Needless to say, every election volunteer walked off the job.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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And folks, if you think that voter fraud only happened during Al Capone's Chicago days, you're seriously mistaken. Here are a few other "tricks of the trade" that these people who run the polls know about :
1. Shave the wheels in the back of a voting device so that they skip ahead.
2. Before the polls open, unlock the back of a voting device and set the total counters ahead for a certain candidate.
3. If a clear ballot box isn't used, stuff it with pre-punched vote cards before the polls open.
4. If a computerized machine is used, unplug it or turn it off so all the previous totals are erased.
5. Finally, the League of Women Voters has been captured on videotape in Florida with pencils and tweezers punching out cards for certain candidates, then shoving them into ballot boxes.
And the list can go on and on.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Another example is during the 1996 Republican Party Primary, where Pat Buchanan was beating every other candidate in the early stages of the race, especially Bob Dole and Steve Forbes. Then when he rolled into Arizona with high hopes of another victory that would catapult him toward getting his party's nomination, something very strange happened. The computers broke down!
Yes, VNS had actually declared Buchanan the winner. Karen Johnson, Buchanan's Arizona State Coordinator, got a call from Governor Fife Symington congradulating her on what he called a "decisive" victory. Senator John Mccain also drafted a congradulatory letter, while all three networks and CNN said that Dole would definately finish third, while Forbes took second, and Buchanan won.
Then the computers mysteriously went down. When they came back up, guess what happened? Pat Buchanan ended up a distant third, while Bob Dole won!
When asked about this phenomenon, Buchanan joked about the computers (referring to the "fix" being in), when he said that "They seemed to work better after they brought 'em back!"
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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As mentioned, VNS is the only American company that counts votes in EVERY Federal election. Ponder this point for a moment. A faceless corporation that at least 95% of the American population probably doesn't even know about or have ever even heard of, is responsible for tabulating our votes.
This service was created by the Big Six in 1964 - one year after President John F. Kennedy was assassinated, and it is currently run by ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX, and AP. Over the years, VNS has gone through a variety of name changes and it was originally called NES (News Election Services).
When you consider the ramifications of every Presidential , Congressional, and Gubernatorial race, you'll see that VNS is one of the most influential corporations in America. And yet, not many people have ever heard of it before.
How can such a fantastic responsibility be placed in the hands of a company that was developed by a consortium of corporate media conglomerates? The most glaring observation one could make from this situation is: if a faceless, unknown agency (VNS) is the sole vote counter rather than accountable local volunteers in each precinct, is it conceivable that a wealthy politician or political party could clandestinely pay them off to rig an election?
The answer is obvious, especially when so many of the American people don't even know about the existence of VNS.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Robert H. Lande, Professor of Law at the University of Baltimore in a letter (dated October 22, 2000) to the United States Justice Department and the Federal Trade Commission on behalf of the American Antitrust Institute, said:
"The Government should file suit to break up the VNS (Voter News Service). Why the uniformity of wrong results? This can be explained by a lack of competition. All of the "competing" major networks are actually colluding with one another, and they call their collusion the VNS. If the six largest manufacturers of automobiles, canned food, or aluminum decided to close existing operations and pool resources to save money, the antitrust enforcement agencies would be after them immediately."
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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On Monday, November 2, 1988, the night before the off-year elections, ABC News posted hundreds of election results - one whole day before a single person ever placed a vote!!!!!
Now that we know the networks, CNN, FOX, and AP all get their election results from the same source - VNS - we need to ask ourselves, why is there such an emphasis on speed? Speed is the key, at least where the networks are concerned. Why? Because the illusion of reporting "speedy" results is the second piece of the puzzle needed to steal an election.
Here's the typical scenario:
A news anchor appears on your TV screen at one minute after the hour....one minute after the polls have closed in a certain part of the country. Naturally, he'll already have some "projections", and he'll even announce some winners - one minute after the polls close.
So they'll rack up their totals, show who is ahead; and focus their attention on one last intangible....those races that are "too close to call". And once you hear those words, you know you're in trouble. Because this is where there is an artificial huge gap in reporting - the lag time - when the news anchor talks to all his "boys" to get their expert opinion.
Of course, not once is the news anchor going to mention that all of their results are coming from VNS. That information isn't important enough for the American people to know I guess.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Then after all that make-believe **** ...., what does the news anchor do next folks?
All of a sudden, one of two things happen. First, there are either some "technical difficulties", or else the computer breaks down.
If you don't believe that, think back to the Florida debacle in 2000. After awhile the network head will report either a huge landslide of results with one candidate pulling way ahead, or else the "difficulty" was corrected and there was a drastic turnaround in votes, with the candidate in front falling far behind, or vise versa.
But speed is the key ingredient. While the polling place is closing down one minute after the hour and punch cards or computer data is being transferred to country headquarters, then onward to VNS, none of it can be verified or made official.
A perfect example would be the 2000 Iowa caucus. With over 2,000 polling places, the AP announced a winner one minute after the caucus had opened (not closed) and not one vote had been cast.
Think about how absurd these examples are people. ABC news is reporting election results a day before an election, and the AP is announcing winners before any votes are not only analyzed, but even cast!
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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The first ingredient needed to assure the "desired results" from a particular election is the use of polls and exit polls. Before I continue, I'd like to make one thing perfectly clear.
THE POLL RESULTS THAT YOU SEE ON THE NIGHTLY NEWS AND IN YOUR LOCAL PAPER ON A DAILY BASIS ARE NOTHING BUT A CONDITIONING TOOL USED TO MAKE THE GENERAL PUBLIC THINK THE PROPER WAY.
In other words, the supposed polls you see every night on the World News do nothing but mold opinion, not mirror it. The concept is similar to the psychological test in which 20 "plants" are told to say that a certain flashcard is colored red, when in reality it is purple. When the 21st person is finally asked what color the card is, they've been so conditioned to think its purple (because every one else said so), that they go against their own natural inclinations and answer incorrectly.
Actually, a more appropriate psychological term for this process is called "psychic driving". To acclimate the voting public on how they're supposed to react, a specific message is repeatedly hammered into their heads on a daily basis.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Are you starting to see how this little game is played? First we're set-up with "public-opinion" polls, which are nothing but an outright farce, and do not in any way indicate how we truly feel. All the numbers are cooked! But this con job plays a very important role by getting us "ready" for who the Controllers have decided will win in a particular election.
After the stage has been set by repeatedly saying that candidate X is ahead in the polls by 10 points (even though they may only have a 20% favorable rating by the voting public), we are now ready for stage two - the lightning fast projections and "exit poll" results.
Exit polls, I hope you know by now, are even shadier than the pre-election surveys. Why? Because it's one last chance to condition the public and prepare them for who the "winner" will be. (As a side note, exit polls also play a large part in lessening the impact that voters in western states play in determining who will ultimately emerge as the victor.)
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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As we have already discovered, none of the networks "scramble" to get election results. It's all part of the show folks. All of their information comes from the exact same source at the exact same time - VNS. They have already admitted this fact, although they do so as quietly as possible. Then, within one minute of the polls closing, the networks project a winner based on exit polls that are startling in their accuracy (with only 1% of the vote actually in).
The next logical question to ask at this point is - if the networks aren't running around frantically doing election-day exit polling, then who is? The answer - an outfit called VRS - Voter Research Surveys. Now, try and guess who operates VRS? ............................ If you guessed VNS, you are absolutely right! Because it's the same Big Six media conglomerates that run VNS who run VRS!
And there is even supposed to be an organization that is "supposably" overlooking VNS to make sure everything is done lawfully. It's called the NCCP - National Council of Public Polls. But here's the kicker folks. lol. Guess who owns the NCCP? You got it. It's the same damn media members who founded VNS! And they are the ones who run the NCCP, which is an organization that they created, to "Overlook" themselves. lol. What a crock of **** folks.
How trustworthy do you think that sounds? The VRS is owned by the VNS and they are the ones who are supposably researching all the facts. And the organization that is supposed to be overlooking these things to make sure everything is done properly, is owned by the very people it is overlooking.
Would you tell on yourself if you were doing illegal things with the public's election process? lol. I doubt it. So what makes you think that they would? It's a joke.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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So all of this seems pritty darn convenient huh? And between the networks, VNS, VRS, and NCCP, we have polls, exit polls, then finally those remarkable projections that are almost always right on the mark. But how can their estimates always be so close to what the final "tabulated" results are? That's easy. All the election supervisors have to do is doctor the computer numbers to match the exit polls; then they come up with what was already a pre-determined result in the first place.
How do you think we keep getting all these asinine politicians in office folks (the same ones who stay there for years)? Do you think it was because we wanted it that way? lol. Especially when almost everybody dislikes them? We sure as hell aren't voting for them (at least if there's another choice).
The picture is becoming a little clearer every day.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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In an election totally free of fraud, citizens would hand-write their votes on paper ballots, place them in a clear box; then watch as an impartial group of volunteers counted their votes in full view. The results would then be posted at the polling place before being shopped to the county courthouse.
With computerized voting, however, we simply send a "blip" through cyberspace. There is no paper trail (a physical ballot), nor are there any checks and balances. We're simply told to trust those in charge of the election and that everything will be ok. Considering the evidence I've provided thus far, how much faith does that inspire in you?
What if we found that it's possible to manipulate these computerized unseen results to "correspond" to the projections (also doctored) that were given one minute after the polls closed so that everything would be official? What if someone told you - "Hey, it'd be very easy to find a computer programmer who could write some software that would already determine the winner regardless of the vote totals"? The procedure wouldn't be much more difficult to pull off than placing a paper roller into the back of a Printomatic voting machine that already had the totals pre-printed on them.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Now I'm sure someone will say that this notion is preposterous! To prove that the process isn't corrupt, all the software designers have to do is show you the "source code" from their program. How complicated could it be to write a program that simply counts votes? Any tenth grade kid who has taken an introductory course in computer science could write it.
But guess what? Numerous researchers have tried to inspect the computer software at VNS. But instead of gladly allowing them to do so (these are fair and open elections, aren't they?) VNS flatly denied their requests, saying that their programs were "trade secrets". In other words, their software is afforded the same protection as any other corporate trade software.
To me, though, the same rationale doesn't apply for two reasons.
First, a privately owned for-profit company is much different from one that is very influential in determining who will assume the Presidency and a large number of Congressional seats.
My second argument is just as straightforward: What do these software designers have to hide?
They haven't created programs that prevent America from being bombed by incoming ballistic missiles like those used at NORAD. The only thing (supposedly) their software does is count votes. Why all the secrecy? Why don't they want anyone inspecting their source codes?
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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On the night before the 1988 Presidential election, the following conversation took place on the CBS Evening News:
Dan Rather: "Realistically, could the fix be put on in a national election?"
Howard J. Strauss (Computer expert - Princeton University): "Get me a job with a company that writes the software for this program. Then I'd have access to one-third of the votes. Is that enough to fix a general election?"
Mr Strauss also has said: "When it comes to computerized elections, there are no safeguards. It's not a door without locks; it's a house without doors."
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Judge Richard Niehouse, in a 1985 ruling against the Cincinnati Board of Elections:
"There is no adequate and proper safeguard against the computers being programmed to distort the election results."
Eva Waskell, an election researcher for over ten years, weighed in with this observation:
"One major problem is that computer codes that run the machines are protected as trade secrets, which makes it very hard to have an election independently audited." She also added, "The election industry is virtually unregulated. There are no mandatory regulations or standards for accurately recording and counting votes."
Craig C. Donsanto, Deputy Attorney in the Justice Department, warned us in a July 4, 1989 edition of the Los Angeles Times :
"You have to have access to some degree of technical knowledge to penetrate an electronic tabulating system. Most of them have been or will be....simply because voting is the way we determine who gets power in this country."
The following is a quote from the same Los Angeles Times article on voter fraud (7-4-89):
"Some critics of computerized vote counting worry about the potential for "trapdoors", "time bombs" and "Trojan Horses". A computer operator with the correct password could place a trapdoor, or a series of hidden vote counting instructions inside the system, according to Election Watch Report. Once into the system, the operator could program the computer to count votes for one candidate as votes for another. After the votes have been changed to swing the election, the trapdoor could be closed."
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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In a letter, Attorney Ellis Rubin (3-24-92) described to Attorney General William Barr how to rig computerized voting:
As you can readily see, many people from different walks of life are worried about the real dangers associated with computerized voting. It's clear that we've opened a Pandora's Box. The only question now - is it too late to close the lid, or have all the evils already escaped?
As you can readily see, many people from different walks of life are worried about the real dangers associated with computerized voting. It's clear that we've opened a Pandora's Box. The only question now - is it too late to close the lid, or have all the evils already escaped?
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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I'd say we've been tricked and lied to on a massive scale. What about you?
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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One question that I have for ALL of you guys on this board.
DO YOU TRUST THE CORPORATE MEDIA IN THIS COUNTRY TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST AND FORTHRIGHT WITH YOU?
If you answered yes to this question, than you don't need to read any further because you obviously don't think we have a problem with the type of information that the citizens of this country are receiving.
But if you answered in the negative, all I can say is this, if the media isn't being 100% honest with you in regard to the information it disseminates, then how can we trust them with something as important as counting the votes in all of our major elections?
Think for a moment to whom we've given this responsibility. Believe me; the people who run the show aren't stupid. In fact, they're brilliant in their ingenious deceitfulness. And until we call them on it, they're going to keep snowing us like they've always done.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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In the 1988 presidential election, CBS was the first to call George Bush the winner at 9:17 PM - only 17 minutes after the polls closed, with voting stations still open in the western states.
What I'd like to know is - why the rush? We elect the president in early November, and he's not inaugurated until mid-January - over two months later. Why do we need to prematurely announce a winner after only 17 minutes!??? It takes county officials at least a month to verify all the vote totals. Are we SO greedy for results that we're willing to sacrifice the very sanctity of our democratic process for the "ruse" of speed that the networks are leading us to believe?
Look at what we've done. We've handed over the reponsibility to a snakelike beast. Plus, to add insult to injury, 60% of all the votes in this country are now classified as "computerized votes". That means we can't see them or physically count them....we have to simply TRUST that VNS does everything properly in their "invisible" little clandestine world.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Ok so with the above premise in mind folks, I'm going to let you in on one of the most crucial secrets of our current age. Here it is:
Do you know what scares the hell out of the "Controllers" more than anything?
Answer: That a "renegade" candidate will emerge on the scene who rallies and inspires the people to such an extent that he or she steamrolls into the Presidency and EXPOSES the Big Lie! The Controllers spend practically every waking moment trying to prevent this scenario. Because, you see, if this maverick candidate gets into office, the whole house of cards will tumble.
It'll be EXACTLY like the Wizard of Oz. Do you remember how feeble, horrified and in awe Dorothy and her cohorts were when they first entered Oz? The entirety of this huge, cumbersome, all-encompassing kingdom literally reduced them to trembling little saps.
But then the veil was removed. And after that, the Wizard would never be able to rule over them with such terrifying brilliance as before.
The Controllers will do anything in their power to keep from being exposed. And I'll tell ya; it wouldn't take much to do the job. Think about it - a candidate who is truly "of, for, and by the people" would go on TV and say, "Guess what. These guys have been deceiving you for years; here's how."
Then this renegade would go down the line and say, "This is a lie, this is a lie, this is a lie, this is a lie.....and here is how we're going to change things."
From that point forward, heads would start rolling and the Controllers, who have been plotting and deceiving us for at least a century or more, would stand like horrified deer in the headlights of a locomotive as their con job was brought out into the open.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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The above scenario about the renegade candidate getting into office is the key to what's happening in the World right now. The Controllers obsess over every aspect of keeping the lid on their scam - from newscasts to mind control to elections. The thought of a renegade candidate who cares about the people and tells them the truth makes them wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat, shivering with fear. All it would take is ONE stinking revelation of truth and the whole game is over. Do you get it?!!!! If given the opportunity, one person CAN change the World. If this candidate did speak to us, the Controller's vision of a One World hellish government would go down the drain in a heartbeat.
To combat this scenario from ever coming to fruition, the Controllers need to do one thing - NEVER allow one of those renegade candidates to get into office. So what do they do? They know how sick everyone is of their corrupt "two-party" system. Actually, it's nothing more than one snake with two-heads. So, they rig the election process. This is how the system currently operates. If punch card ballots are used, then after everyone votes and the polls close, the "results" are either taken to county headquarters or shipped directly to VNS....without verification. If voting is done by computer, then the machines are linked directly to the VNS super-computers via phone lines so that they can "interact". Then, minutes after the polls close, the networks project a winner based on supposed exit polls.
Within a day or so everything's swept under the rug, and then they have a month or two to make the actual results jive with the "projections". This, my friends, is called a "fix".
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Now, get this. The Florida "hanging chad" debacle in the 2000 presidential election was vitally important for one very calculated reason. It made the voters so sick of punch card ballots that sometime soon a politician in Washington D.C. will come out and claim that they are going to "save" us all by sponsoring a bill that will put computers into every polling place across America. By touting how easy, fast, and reliable these computers are, they'll get the propaganda machine rolling and try to convince us all that this idea will be our salvation.
But when you look past their veil of lies, here's what will happen to put the "fix" in. As things stand now (especially with punch cards or hand ballots), it still takes an enormous amount of people to be corrupted. It takes election supervisors, volunteers, ect. But if we switch to 100% computerized voting, think how easy it'll be to "throw" an election. You'd only need to bribe or pay off one or two programmers in the whole country instead of countless county and party officials.
With one centralized computer existing in an invisible realm with programs that can't be checked due to "trade secrets", we'll never actually have a chance to see our ballots first-hand. We'll simply push a button, send our vote through cyberspace, and then place our TRUST in VNS, sleazy programmers, and the corporate media.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Here are some good solutions for all this nonsense:
1. Instantly abolish VNS and exit polling.
2. If the networks insist on perpetrating the status quo in light of the potential (and outright evidence of) voter fraud, then we should all bring charges of criminal negligence, fraud, and abuse of trust against them; also, we should revoke their broadcast license.
3. If that course of action doesn't work, then we should convict them on the RICO Act for racketeering and conspiracy. The American people could bring a class-action lawsuit against them (similar to the tobacco company cases) for unduly influencing the outcome of an election. If we don't inherently trust the information being fed to us by the networks and corporate media due to their constant lies and manipulation, how can we place our faith in them to be honest with something as important as the election process?
4. We should require positive picture I.D. when voting.
5. We should allow ONLY American citizens to vote.
6. We should change the voting day to Saturday.
7. All the results should be tabulated, verified, and confirmed at EACH POLLING PLACE before they are sent to the county courthouse.
And that's it folks! That's all we would need to do. No rigging, no hanging chads, no telephone lines or unverifiable hidden computer programs. This is all we need to do to put the election of public officials back into the people's hands.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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So the big question now guys, is this. Do we want to take these rather simple steps, or do we want to allow the networks and VNS to keep operating as usual? If we do nothing, I GUARANTEE that the long-awaited candidate who tells us the truth may never be given an opportunity to speak. Instead, we'll be stuck with the same crooked politicians that have already sickened us to no end.
Here's the bottom line: The corporate media has to tow a fine line between perpetuating the Controller's lies and trying to maintain their credibility. If we quit believing them, guess what? The show is over! They've lost their ability to influence us any longer.
The media has already lost their credibility if you ask me. But we can finally see through their lies. The Wizard of Oz has been exposed!
Are we going to keep letting them snow us, or will we take steps to elect that candidate who will level with us and get rid of all the corruption? Time is running out.
The New World Order isn't something that's going to happen in the "future". It's already here! It's now or never. Taking back our vote is the first step toward taking back our country.
"Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."
Joseph Stalin
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"When You're dealing with the networks, you're dealing with a shadowgovernment."
Tim O' Brien, ABC's Supreme Court Correspondent
Folks, I love America, especially the freedom and unlimited potential it represents. I also despise with every ounce of venom in my body the sick evil Satanistic Controllers that are deliberately in the process of destroying this great nation.
Listen to me, folks. Everything that we've come to love in this country -- all of the cherished freedoms and rights -- are about to be slowly taken away from us. This is the real thing, and it's happening right before our very eyes.
The United States has declared war on terrorists, but there's a much more important war taking place that the media isn't telling you about. It's a war between the Globalists, those who want a slavish New World Order, and a group of patriotic Nationalists who love America and want to save it from being destroyed.
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Let me ask you all a question. After the atrocity of September 11, we witnessed an outpouring of love by hundreds of thousands of honest, dedicated Americans who would do anything to guard and protect our country. These people are everywhere, and it fills my heart with joy to know that they exist.
By the same token, take a look at things happening in this country and ask yourself, "Do the people running the show have the American people's best interests in mind?" You'll eventually realize that we're being lied to on a daily basis; duped, deceived, manipulated, and undermined by a hidden cadre of Globalists who control our government, media and in many cases even our universities.
If these people want to bolster America, then why aren't be being told the truth about Votescam, AIDS, and scores of other issues?
Why are we allowing our country to be overrun with illegal aliens when we could stop this problem within a week? Why are we allowing trade agreements such as NAFTA to destroy our industrial-based economy? Why are we allowing our votes to be stolen by letting self-serving politicians sit in Washington, DC and watch us be weakened just so they can fatten their wallets?
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I'd like to ask you guys another question: Where do you all get your information from about the World around you? Most people would say television, radio, newspapers, magazines, and the Internet. Well, let me put this revelation in the starkest terms possible. The same people who are destroying our country are those who own just about every single media source that you get your information from.
What does that mean to you? Here's the way I see it. The majority of the people in the mainstream media along with certain members of our government are lying through their teeth to the American people on a daily basis.
It's time for all of us to think for ourselves rather than be conditioned into little obedient automatons.
If you don't buy into how much is being kept from us, take the Bilderbergs for example. The mainstream media never says a word about them! And yet, the people who belong to that group are political leaders, bankers, industrialists, and businessmen! Considering that these men and women are some of the most influential individuals on the planet, you would think that there would be some media coverage of their conferences. But the mainstream media says nothing. It's a total blackout.
Or, as James Tucker said in the now defunct Spotlight newspaper:
"If the world's most popular film stars or football players gathered for a closed-door meeting over the weekend, the press would go crazy, demanding to know what was discussed. But when the world's most powerful private citizens gather in the company of key political figures, there's not the slightest cry of outrage."
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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What we have here is a handful of people who control vitrually ALL of the information we receive. This system is perpetuated by the FCC, which regulates how many television and radio stations operate in a given area. The lockdown is so complete, that in 1990, only 21 groups controlled the entirety of the printed media; 12 groups controlled all the newspapers, 3 controlled the magazines, and another 6 controlled the mainstream publishing industry.
I guarantee you that these numbers have become even more appalling over the past decade.
Turn on your television and flick through the channels. How many alternatives do you have regarding the news? There is:
CBS: CONTROLLED
NBC: CONTROLLED
ABC: CONTROLLED
FOX: CONTROLLED
CNN: CONTROLLED
The people who dominate the media are part of "The Alibi Club", an elite group of 50 business executives and political officials who have joined together with the "Intelligence" community to influence what we see, hear, and read in the media. This idea is supported by a clandestine program called "Operation Mockingbird" in which the CIA recruited and used mainstream journalists to manipulate the media and directly affect the outcome of elections.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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As a voice of reason, Noam Chomsky tells us, "If you're rational and honest, you're pretty much excluded from the educated classes, from the privileged classes. Those are the properties (honesty and rationalism) that are very dangerous."
In other words, Noam Chomsky said that if you're a liar, you can progress to the upper echelons of power. But if you're honest, you're seen as a threat to the established order.
On September 10, 2001, America was plunging into a recession; the Gary Condit sex scandal played on every station, crime was on an upswing; the Israeli/Palestinian peace talks were deteriorating; and NAFTA and illegal immigration had many people disgruntled.
One day later, on Septembr 11, our nation was inspired by waves of patriotism, focused on a single act of brutality, and was willing to relinquish many of our civil rights. To fuel us, George W. Bush gave a speech that sent his approval ratings through the roof.
Do you think that life has gotten better or worse since September 11? If you said worse, what are you going to do if things keep going downhill? Also, do you think the Mainstream Media is going to be there to help you along the way, or will they continue to lie on a daily basis? I don't know about you, but I refuse to accept their deceptive practices any longer.
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One of the biggest problems that people who are in the Mainstream Media as well as many of the Controllers themselves tend to suffer from is a propensity to reveal the Controller's motives every once and awhile. So, take a look at what has been said in the past about their own industry and practices:
Richard Salent (former president of CBS News):
"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have."
Lyndon Johnson (former President of the United States):
"Reporters are puppets. They simply respond to the pull of the most powerful strings."
Bill Moyers (television journalist):
"Most of the news on television is, ultimately, whatever the government says is news."
Johnny Carson: "How much of the national news that you report to the public each night consists of information you've actually gone out and dug up on your own?"
Connie Chung (responding to Johnny's question): "In all honesty, we are often at the mercy of the White House for the news we report. Frequently, we simply report verbatim what the White House tells us."
The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence (Marchetti & Marks):
"Only about 20% of the CIA's career employees work on intelligence analysis and information processing. About 2/3 of all CIA funds and manpower are spent on "covert operations", such as the manipulation of public opinion and elections and its mass media manipulation activity."
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Excluding home ownership, the wealthiest 10% of Americans own 76% of this nation's net worth. More than half of that is accounted for by the top 1%. These rich elitists also own television stations, newspapers, magazines, Internet news sites, and radio stations.
Whenever I see a preponderance of lies, half-truths, censorship, and steady streams of disinformation in the various media outlets each day, I ask myself, how can these people continue to sell their Souls? How do they possibly look in the mirror after knowingly enabling drug traffickers, murderers, and sexual deviants to get away with their crimes? And I'm not even refering to true-life criminals. I'm talking about politicians, government officials, intelligence operatives, and the Controllers themselves.
How can any member of the mainstream media sleep at night, pat their children on the head, or not cringe with shame when they pass an American flag knowing that a plethora of blatant crimes go unreported each day?
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Into the Buzzsaw, an excellent book recently released in 2002 by Prometheus Books and edited by Kristina Borjesson, answers some of these questions.
By giving eighteen journalists a chance to speak freely on a number of issues (as opposed to being muted by the corporate media), this collection shows how the field of professional journalism has lost its fire and why many of its members continue to wallow like yellow-spined lemmings in a pool of aloofness and deceit.
I recommend that everyone try to read this book. Inside of it, you will find out how the CIA has admitted to blatant cases of cocaine trafficking, and yet our fine lily-livered journalists don't have the guts to expose these DRUG DEALERS in a meaningful way. You will also read about the Franklin pedophilia case, how AIDS is a man-made genocidal disease, the Bilderberg secrecy, Votescam, the Federal Reserve deception and theft, and much much more.
But what it all boils down to is this. Many of the devils in positions of power have intimidated the American mass media journalists to such an extent that they now tremble and cover for these killers, drug dealers, and deviants.
Why? Why are they enabling them to get away with this deception? Isn't it time to stand-up and expose these traitors?
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Into the Buzzsaw brings to light what those in power want to conceal. When a reporter dares to trespass into forbidden territory - the truth -- they enter the "buzzsaw", which Kristina Borjesson defines as "a powerful system of censorship in this country that is revealed to those reporting on extremely sensitive stories usually having to do with high level government and/or corporate malfeasance."
Bjorjesson continues to describe the "buzzsaw" as "what can rip through you when you try to investigate or expose anything this country's large institutions -- be they corporate or government -- want kept under wraps. The system finally fights back with official lies, disinformation and stonewalling."
"If the reporter or writer in question cannot be silenced, then the media big-wig moguls, who are merely pawns of the multinational corporations and international bankers, use a technique called "marginalization". In other words, when someone gets too close to the truth they are labeled a "conspiracy nut", then they are subjected to a propaganda juggernaut, which Borjesson says happens to "anyone who didn't believe the government officials or the journalists who unquestionably reported what the official said."
She further explains, "If you don't go along with the party line, you're shoved into the margins and eventually out of the picture."
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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So what does all this mean? It simply means that the media is towing the pary line. If you as a reporter walk outside of the accepted parameters, they will turn on you like bloodthirsty sharks!
Rather than going after the guilty party, they attack the reporter who upset the apple cart. (See Gary Webb and his expose' on how the CIA imported drugs into L.A. during the mid 1980's to start the gang war crack craze).
Philip Weiss reinforces this point by saying that we DO have freedom of speech and freedom of the press in this country, but to combat the dangers inherent to the elite class, it is marginalized by the Controllers to the "fringe".
Weiss goes on to tell us: "Corporate media outlets cannot entertain serious questions about the legitimacy of the powers-that-be, even when spokesmen are shown to lie."
By being comfortable and removed from the streets, isn't it interesting how an entire industry of journalists is enveloped by a corporate framework? The worst part is that most don't even realize the irony of how shackled and enslaved they are.
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I agree with what you are getting at GreenCandle.
See a big problem is that christian conservatives (they have more emphasis on conservative than on christian as their actions prove) are putting their hope in a political party,
They are trying to achieve things by a political means (which isn't Yahweh's plan).
They are being fed a line of propaganda about AMERICA being a "christian" nation by a bunch of men behind the pulpits that are more concerned about earthly power and influence than the Kingdom of Yahweh.
In turn conservative politicians will pander to and use the politically minded christians to achieve their power.
It was this way from the birth of this secular (NOT christian) nation - the masons (which many of the founder were, like the 1st president) used the christians to establish their power base in forming this nation.
The christians formed an unholy political alliance with unGodly men because they were more politically minded than Christ minded.
Look how well the current President has played many of the christians of this country while pretending to be one himself.
We are called to put on the mind of Messiah, not be politically minded.
Yahshua was not politically minded, that is why many of the Israelites missed Him - they were thinking earthly and expecting Him to establish an earthly kingdom.
Far to many christians are putting their hopes in government and earthly minded men, like abortion - they want to deal with it in an earthly means and put their hopes in the Supreme(less) court.
Abortion is not the problem - it is but a SYMPTOM.
The problem is hearts turned against Yahweh.
The solution is Messiah.
Our objective is to bring Messiah to people so He can renew and change their hearts so they don't want or need an abortion.
Posted by Betty Louise (Member # 7175) on
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As a Christian in our Country, we have a responsibility to vote. We should vote our conscious. The reason Americans are in the mess we are end, is far too long Christians stayed silent. We stayed silent when prayer was removed from our schools. Being a good American does not come before being a Christian, but at the same time, we should still vote and act for change in our Country.
betty
Posted by wparr (Member # 891) on
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Originally posted by Betty Louise:
As a Christian in our Country, we have a responsibility to vote. We should vote our conscious. The reason Americans are in the mess we are end, is far too long Christians stayed silent. We stayed silent when prayer was removed from our schools. Being a good American does not come before being a Christian, but at the same time, we should still vote and act for change in our Country.
betty
I guess your believing that propaganda about prayer being removed from school - it's a lie.
NO ONE has been prevented from Structurally praying in school or anyplace else in this world.
"When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men.
Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.
"But YOU, when YOU pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.
(Matthew 6:5-6)
All that has been stopped is prayers being heard of other men.
And if someone must be heard of other men - well, they are praying with a WRONG motive.
Did you realize that Scripture does NOT record Messiah praying a prayer in public, just an occasional acknowledgment to the Father.
He always went off in private to pray - that's why the disciples asked Him to teach them to pray.
Did you also realize that Acts does NOT once record any of the apostles in public prayer?
What else has the church misled you on?
Also where does it show in Scripture that it is our duty as a christian to vote?
I won't vote for anyone that I don't see fruit of a submissive relationship with Elohim.
When you vote for the lesser of 2 evils (like with President Bush who professes to be a christian but isn't) you are still voting for evil - and thus bear a responsibility for their unrighteous doings.
Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on
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You are sooo right on wparr!
Did you know that Barbara Bush, Laura Bush, and Dick Cheneys wife are all pro- Abortion?
In all actuality we dont have a 2 party anymore.
Posted by Betty Louise (Member # 7175) on
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I will vote and I will not apologize for doing my duty as an American Citizen. What I will do is pray about who I should vote for.
President Bush put two conservatives on the Supreme Court. As far as their wives, I did not vote for them. President Bush will answer to God for his own faith. I was not voting for him as my spiritual leader. While I wish I had the option of voting for Hucklebee, I don't. I will vote for McClain, because to tell you the truth Obama scares me.
I believe no vote is a vote for him. In fact I heard a woman who is for Obama say that she wished all conservatives would stay home on election day so Obama would win. NOT ME!!
betty
Posted by wparr (Member # 891) on
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Originally posted by Betty Louise:
I will vote and I will not apologize for doing my duty as an American Citizen. What I will do is pray about who I should vote for.
President Bush put two conservatives on the Supreme Court. As far as their wives, I did not vote for them. President Bush will answer to God for his own faith. I was not voting for him as my spiritual leader. While I wish I had the option of voting for Hucklebee, I don't. I will vote for McClain, because to tell you the truth Obama scares me.
I believe no vote is a vote for him. In fact I heard a woman who is for Obama say that she wished all conservatives would stay home on election day so Obama would win. NOT ME!!
betty
To me, ones relationship with Yahweh is more important than ones values and political stand.
When one, like President Bush, thinks they have a relationship with the creator - but don't - who are they listening to and being led by?
I will not vote for (and be responsible for) someone who is led by deceiving spirits.
If values and conservatism are the most important issues when voting for someone to represent you and lead the people, then I guess their relationship to Yahweh is irrelevant.
Values and morality are MEANINGLESS if they don't flow from a right relationship to Yahweh - otherwise mormans, JWs, and other moral people are justified.
I will NOT vote for someone that is wrong or deceived about the MOST important issue, because if they are wrong about God - everything else is off course.
I may live in America, but my citizenship is not in the world or this nation but in Yahweh's Kingdom.
When you vote for the lesser of an evil, that is misled and deceived by the enemy - then you share a responsibility for putting them there, and the judgment & reaping this nation receives because of it.
I am but a sojourner, and alien here.
Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on
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Actually i think either one is scary.
Bush is a kick back to the 1920's-30's ULTRA conservative and the party has removed themselves from the little and middle man and its all about the ultra-rich. If McCain follows suit, then it wont get any better.
Obama, well, enough said there. NO WAY!
Im not voting this year, which will be a first for me since i registered some 30 years ago.
But whichever candidate wins, we as believers need to pray for them. Shalom
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Originally posted by wparr:
I agree with what you are getting at GreenCandle.
See a big problem is that christian conservatives (they have more emphasis on conservative than on christian as their actions prove) are putting their hope in a political party,
They are trying to achieve things by a political means (which isn't Yahweh's plan).
They are being fed a line of propaganda about AMERICA being a "christian" nation by a bunch of men behind the pulpits that are more concerned about earthly power and influence than the Kingdom of Yahweh.
In turn conservative politicians will pander to and use the politically minded christians to achieve their power.
It was this way from the birth of this secular (NOT christian) nation - the masons (which many of the founder were, like the 1st president) used the christians to establish their power base in forming this nation.
The christians formed an unholy political alliance with unGodly men because they were more politically minded than Christ minded.
Look how well the current President has played many of the christians of this country while pretending to be one himself.
We are called to put on the mind of Messiah, not be politically minded.
Yahshua was not politically minded, that is why many of the Israelites missed Him - they were thinking earthly and expecting Him to establish an earthly kingdom.
Far to many christians are putting their hopes in government and earthly minded men, like abortion - they want to deal with it in an earthly means and put their hopes in the Supreme(less) court.
Abortion is not the problem - it is but a SYMPTOM.
The problem is hearts turned against Yahweh.
The solution is Messiah.
Our objective is to bring Messiah to people so He can renew and change their hearts so they don't want or need an abortion.
Well said Wparr.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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This strategy doesn't only apply to newspapers or TV. The publishing industry also censors itself, as Gerald Colby points out with the concept of "privishing".
This phenomenon occurs, "when a publisher kills off an author's book without the author's awareness or consent." Basically, they "cut off the book's life-support system." Publishers can plunge a dagger through the heart of a book in a number of different ways, such as:
1. Reducing the print run.
2. Refusing additional print runs.
3. Gouging the promotional budget.
4. Failing to support a book-signing tour.
5. Or by simply saying that the book is not available.
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One may wonder at this time how the corporate media is allowed to get away with such nonsense. The key word here is "corporate". As Ben Bagdikian notes in The Media Monopoly , in 1993 there were 50 major media corporations in America. A little more than just ten years later, there are six! Only SIX multinational companies now control all the network, newspaper, radio, and magazine news departments in this country.
The Corporations, of course, are owned and beholden to the international bankers, whose primary goal is globalization, which is reflected in their foreign policy decisions. In all, the media becomes a conditioning tool used to maintain the status quo wile maximizing profits.
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Greg Palast reflects on the result of this monopolized media: "If the Rupert Murdochs of the globe are shepherds of the New World Order, they owe their success to breeding a flock of docile sheep; snoozy editors and reporters who are content to munch on, digest, and then reprint a diet of press releases and canned stories provided by officials and corporate P.R. operators."
Maurice Murad adds, "The manipulation of perceptions is replacing reality as the governing principle in human affairs."
When President Dwight D. Eisenhower delivered his farewell speech in 1961 before leaving office, he warned Americans about the dangers of a growing military-industrial complex.
The media should act as a watch dog against these forces, but instead, the press has actually been meshed together with them under the same corporate umbrella.
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Look at how many of these cowering dogs still refuse to acknowledge how horribly their ranks have been corrupted and poisoned by the perpetuation of outright lies.
What do I mean? The New York Times came clean once in 1977 and verified to what extent the CIA had infiltrated the media and publishing industry. Author Michael Levine weighs in by saying, "If the CIA is good at anything, it is complete control of the American media. So secure are they in their ability to manipulate the media that they even brag about it in their own in-house memos."
Gary Webb adds further ammunition by writing: "The national news organizations have had a long, dissapointing history of playing footsie with the CIA. DO we have a free press today? Sure we do, it's free to report all the sex scandals it wants, all the stock market news we can handle, every new health fad that comes down the pike and every celebrity marriage and divorce that happens. But when it comes to the real down and dirty stuff - that's where we begin to see the limits of our freedom. In today's media environment, sadly, such stories are not even open for discussion."
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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George Seldes, author of The Lords of the Press (1983), lays it all on the line by sneering, "It is possible to fool all the people all the time when the government and the press cooperate."
Unfortunately, we've reached that point in this country. Most everyone is being bamboozled!
In essence, then, the American media's cowardice is a direct reflection of their "don't rock the boat" mentality; starting with the editors, program directors, and network heads and filtering down to the reporters.
By utilizing bias, omission, under reporting and outright censorship, they remain beholden to the corporate (and local) advertising, while preserving their incestuous relationship with governmental PR sources. These two forces make sick, twisted bed-partners.
But the question that I keep asking is this: how can these guilty parties live with themselves? Are the few dollars that they get for keeping the lid on really worth it?
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Carl Jenson reinforces this point quite nicely by writing, "The high salaries many of our leaders receive in newsrooms and business offices as well as corporate headquarters, have turned into golden handcuffs. And those handcuffs morphed into blindfolds and gags..."
Jenson goes on to describe how this failure to break free from their constraints leads to a journalistic conundrum. "The United States has a free press guaranteed by its Constitution, it has the world's most sophisticated communication system, and it has more independent media outlets disseminating more information 24 hours a day than anywhere else in the World. Considering our autonomous press and the quality of information that bombards us daily, we should be a very well-informed populace. Unfortunately, high-tech and a free press do not guarantee a well-informed society. The problem is not the quantity of information that we receive, but the quality."
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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With this in mind, we should look at the main function of journalism. Robert McChesney provides an excellent overview: "The media system must provide a rigorous accounting of PEOPLE IN POWER and people who want to be in power, in both public and private sectors. This is known as the watchdog role. Contemporary journalism serves as a tepid and weak-kneed watchdog over those in power, especially in the corporate sector."
But these watchdogs have turned into simpering lap dogs that suckle at the *** of their corporate sponsors, while those who speak the truth are shoved to the fringe, or viewed as rabble-rousers and subversives.
But let's keep in mind the reality of the situation, which Henry Adams reminds us: "The press is the hired agent of a moneyed system set up for no other reason than to tell lies where their interests are concerned."
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Robert McChesney exploded one of the prevailing myths of journalism when he said: "Trained editors and reporters are granted autonomy by the owners to make editorial decisions, and these decisions are based on their professional judgment, not the politics of the owners and the advertisers, or their commercial interests to maximize profits." How laughable.
Closer to the truth, of course, is McChesney's summary of Public Relations in regard to the media when he said, "By providing slick press releases, paid-for "experts", neutral-sounding but bogus 'citizens' groups, and canned news events, crafty PR agents have been able to shift the news to suit the interests of their mostly corporate clientele."
Alex Carey, who wrote, Taking the Risk out of Democracy in 1977, adds even more weight to this argument by showing how these shysters add another level of confusion to America's social fabric when he said: "The role of PR is to so muddle the public sphere as to take the risk out of democracy for the wealthy and corporations."
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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In other words, the media, when combined with public relations firms and their overlord Controllers, end up conditioning us with a game of misdirection - sort of like children when they played "hotter-colder" (you're getting hotter...hotter...now colder...).
By using a variety of subtle techniques, the media directs us away from stories that they deem too "hot" or "explosive".
In fact, Robert McChesney said it best when he described professional journalism as being "biased towards the status quo." He said that, "The general rule in professional journalism is this: if the elite, the upper two or three percent of society who control most of the capital and rule the largest institutions, agree on an issue, then it is off-limits to journalistic scrutiny."
How true! How sad....but true.
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You gotta love this guy Robert McChesney for describing the reality of our situation folks.
He also said about our current situation:
"To the United States elite, democracy tends to be defined by their ability to maximize profit. U.S. professional journalism, even at its best, serves as a propaganda function similar to the role of Pravda or Izbestia in the old USSR."
And if we return to the subject of media ownership, we see that our "faithful" television broadcasters are essentially controlled by AOL Time-Warner, Disney, Viacom, GE, and Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation. Also, check out these disturbing facts:
1. The ten largest media firms own ALL U.S. TV networks.
2. They also own most every TV station in the major markets, and all major film and music studios, nearly all the TV cable channels, and most all book and magazine publishers.
3. In terms of news, Jim Squires, former editor of the Chicago Tribune, found this trend so disturbing, he said resentfully, "Our generation has witnessed the end of journalism."
Posted by Billy (Member # 7193) on
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I agree with what you are getting at GreenCandle.
GreenCandle,
Rather than leaving it to us to determine what you are "getting at," could you please sum up your point in three sentences or less? It seems to me that you are pretty disgruntled, but there is a lot of vagueness in your posts, as well. Please get to the point.
In Christ,
Billy.
ps. Is there any significance to the name that you've chosen for yourself (GreenCandle)? If so, please expound on that.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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The Green Light of Healing is essential for the Healing of the Soul and of ones Spiritual Center and Chakras.
You have heard of the White Light of protection I am sure?
The Green light is similar in the sense that it has a positive effect on emotions and well being.
The color Green itself can be said to have therapeutic properties as well. Being around Greenery (Trees, bushes, grass) often makes a person feel more at ease.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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As it stands now, the American media has relinquished its role as watchdogs of the high-and-mighty, therein surrendering their dignity and ability to help make the World a better place. And what a pitiful, disheartening surrender it has been - to not only themselves and their families, but also to the American public. This once proud, vital institution has allowed itself to be reduced to pathetic marrionettes dangling from from the Controller's strings. The profession has, by and large, lost its backbone and grit.
Hell, they'll even bend over for the international financiers and whip us into a frenzy so the death-mongers can ship our boys off to die in another one of their perpetual wars.
Robert Mchesney summed up the media's role in fueling the greedy War Machine:
"The government needs to lie in order to gain support for its war aims. The media system, in every case, proves to be a superior propaganda organ for militarism and empire. The United States media conglomerates exist within an institutional context that makes support for the U.S. military seemingly natural."
"These giant firms are among the primary beneficiaries of globalization, and the U.S. role as the preeminent World power. Indeed, the United States Government is the primary advocate for the global media firms."
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Isn't it clear what's taking place here folks? The mainstream corporate media and the power elite are no longer separate entities! There's no dividing line between them any longer. They're in bed together, with the multinational Globalists whipping the reporters, anchors, and editors like obedient dogs. And I have to tell you, the scent they're following isn't one that benefits us, but only further promotes the Controller's New World Order goals.
Here is my plea to the majority of the reporters and journalists out there:
Please, before it's too late, bury your cowardice and stand up to your bosses. Why are you selling your country, your family, and yourself out? Can't you see what's happening in America? We're being deliberately undermined by a group of power-hungry devils that allow 100,000 people to die of starvation EVERY DAY. Devils that created a deadly sex virus and who use it to commit genocide on entire peoples. Devils that advocate a perpetual, bloodthirsty War Machine that is now ready to start rolling in overdrive.
These same people steal our money via an unjust tax system; then pilfer even more money through their privately-owned, for profit Federal Reserve System. These same people run drugs, launder money, murder as if they lived outside the law, and are increasingly setting up a Big Brother type surveillance system that will alter the World in a way that'll bring us directly into George Orwell's "1984".
They're also destroying the planet's environment with wild abandon, and then building even more underground bases to protect themselves when the **** starts hitting the fan (while we'll be locked out in the cold to suffer and gasp for breath).
Hell, they've even trampled the very foundation of our democratic system via "Votescam", and do so with such arrogance, it's appalling.
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So, I have to ask each and every journalist at CBS, the New York Times, Newsweek, CNN, local newspapers, and those of you talking on the radio, who refuse to expose the truth about the Controllers: when are you going to expose these lying, murdering, traitorous devils for what they are? Why are you so afraid to stand up to them? If every journalist in this country decided to start telling the truth, we could run those bastards out of town in a week! That's all it would take - tell the TRUTH!
Be a MAN....be a WOMAN....Be a TRUE PARENT and AMERICAN and do what's right. Quit telling lies and let the American people know what's REALLY going on in the World. That's your duty and responsibility.
Forget about status, position and money. Just tell the truth. For in the end, what does it matter if you've gained the entire World, but lost your Soul in the process?
It's time for some dramatic changes in this country, and I challenge every single member of the media to stand up and expose these Controllers and their loathsome goals. If we don't do it soon, we won't have another chance.
Are you willing to have that on your conscience?
Posted by Billy (Member # 7193) on
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GreenCandle wrote:
The Green Light of Healing is essential for the Healing of the Soul and of ones Spiritual Center and Chakras.
You have heard of the White Light of protection I am sure?
The Green light is similar in the sense that it has a positive effect on emotions and well being.
The color Green itself can be said to have therapeutic properties as well. Being around Greenery (Trees, bushes, grass) often makes a person feel more at ease.
And where exactly is that in the Bible? Sorry. I'm just trying to figure out where you are coming from. The vast majority of us, on this board, see God's word as the only authority for how we view the world. The rest at the very least think they do. However, I have yet to see you quote from God's word once. This, in large part, is why you have not gotten responses from most on this board. Without scripture, you have no authority to be speaking on these matters, in their minds and mine. Do you consider yourself to be a Christian?
Billy.
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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Originally posted by GreenCandle:
Are you willing to have that on your conscience?
1 Timothy 4
1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
6If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
7But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
8For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
9This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
11These things command and teach.
12Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
13Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
14Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
15Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.
16Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
Posted by Billy (Member # 7193) on
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GreenCandle wrote:
...each and every journalist at CBS, the New York Times, Newsweek, CNN, local newspapers, and those of you talking on the radio, who refuse to expose the truth about the Controllers...
Forget about status, position and money. Just tell the truth. For in the end, what does it matter if you've gained the entire World, but lost your Soul in the process?
This is an obvious case of scripture twisting. Jesus was not talking about giving up your possessions and simply changing your ethics. He was talking about something greater. He was talking about giving up our possessions so that we might be able to better follow Him. He was talking about salvation of the soul, not exposing political tyrants.
I'd rather someone be soundly saved and living in the worst part of India, than living comfortably in an ideal political environment in America, yet headed straight for hell, because they don't know how to properly read their Bible. Come on, America, let's get our priorities straight. The Bible is not about social or political change. The Bible is about the glory of God. Let us not twist the scriptures to make them mean something that they don't.
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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Originally posted by Billy:
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GreenCandle wrote:
...each and every journalist at CBS, the New York Times, Newsweek, CNN, local newspapers, and those of you talking on the radio, who refuse to expose the truth about the Controllers...
Forget about status, position and money. Just tell the truth. For in the end, what does it matter if you've gained the entire World, but lost your Soul in the process?
This is an obvious case of scripture twisting. Jesus was not talking about giving up your possessions and simply changing your ethics. He was talking about something greater. He was talking about giving up our possessions so that we might be able to better follow Him. He was talking about salvation of the soul, not exposing political tyrants.
I'd rather someone be soundly saved and living in the worst part of India, than living comfortably in an ideal political environment in America, yet headed straight for hell, because they don't know how to properly read their Bible. Come on, America, let's get our priorities straight. The Bible is not about social or political change. The Bible is about the glory of God. Let us not twist the scriptures to make them mean something that they don't.
I've rebuked Green Candle previously, in the Lord.
And he did, in fact, cease to post his concerns for quite some time.. I am hoping he was resting in the Love of God in that meantime.
This is the second rebuke Green Candle, I pray God opens your ears. ![[Prayer]](graemlins/prayer.gif)
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Turn to God, who alone is able to save your soul!!!
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Originally posted by Zeena:
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Originally posted by Billy:
quote:
GreenCandle wrote:
...each and every journalist at CBS, the New York Times, Newsweek, CNN, local newspapers, and those of you talking on the radio, who refuse to expose the truth about the Controllers...
Forget about status, position and money. Just tell the truth. For in the end, what does it matter if you've gained the entire World, but lost your Soul in the process?
This is an obvious case of scripture twisting. Jesus was not talking about giving up your possessions and simply changing your ethics. He was talking about something greater. He was talking about giving up our possessions so that we might be able to better follow Him. He was talking about salvation of the soul, not exposing political tyrants.
I'd rather someone be soundly saved and living in the worst part of India, than living comfortably in an ideal political environment in America, yet headed straight for hell, because they don't know how to properly read their Bible. Come on, America, let's get our priorities straight. The Bible is not about social or political change. The Bible is about the glory of God. Let us not twist the scriptures to make them mean something that they don't.
I've rebuked Green Candle previously, in the Lord.
And he did, in fact, cease to post his concerns for quite some time.. I am hoping he was resting in the Love of God in that meantime.
This is the second rebuke Green Candle, I pray God opens your ears.
Turn to God, who alone is able to save your soul!!!
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Matthew 7:1
I feel very sorry for you Zeena. You obviously believe that we have no obligation to do good works and to expose Evil where it is found.
I on the other hand believe differently.
You have no right to "rebuke" me. You are not a priest. You are not above me in any way shape or form. I am not a demon. I am your brother. Start treating me like it.
Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Instead of "rebuking me" why don't you start concentrating on Loving me the way YOU LOVE YOURSELF.
You should be very shamed of yourself Zeena. I would be if I was you.
I choose to shine the light on Evil wherever I see it. And I believe the actions of our current government and president to be very evil. And therefore I will do what feels right in my heart. Regardless of how much you judge me for it.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Originally posted by Billy:
quote:
GreenCandle wrote:
The Green Light of Healing is essential for the Healing of the Soul and of ones Spiritual Center and Chakras.
You have heard of the White Light of protection I am sure?
The Green light is similar in the sense that it has a positive effect on emotions and well being.
The color Green itself can be said to have therapeutic properties as well. Being around Greenery (Trees, bushes, grass) often makes a person feel more at ease.
And where exactly is that in the Bible? Sorry. I'm just trying to figure out where you are coming from. The vast majority of us, on this board, see God's word as the only authority for how we view the world. The rest at the very least think they do. However, I have yet to see you quote from God's word once. This, in large part, is why you have not gotten responses from most on this board. Without scripture, you have no authority to be speaking on these matters, in their minds and mine. Do you consider yourself to be a Christian?
Billy.
In apocalyptic literature, color plays an important role in conveying symbolic meanings. For example, the colors blue, purple, and scarlet played prominent roles in the building of the wilderness tabernacle (Exodus 26:1; 27;16; 28:6). In Numbers 15:37-38, "The LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 'Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue'." The woman that John sees in the wilderness, however, sits on a scarlet beast and only wears purple and scarlet (Revelation 17:3-4) while the color blue is noticeably absent. Here purple and scarlet suggest that the woman has become affluent through evil means and not by the blessing of the Lord.
Below is a list of all the colors mentioned in the Bible with both their references and their meanings.
Amber Symbolizes the Glory of God
Black One of the more commonly used colors in the Bible; describes the color of the middle of the night (Proverbs 7:9); diseased skin (Job 30:30); healthy hair (Song of Solomon 5:11; Matthew 5:36); corpes' faces (Lamentations 4:8); the sky (Jeremiah 4:28); the darkening of the sun and the moon (Joel 2:10); horses (Zechariah 6:2; Revelation 6:5); and marble (Esther 1:6).
The color black symbolizes sin, death, and famine.
Blue Used to describe the color of a wound, but may refer to the wound itself (Proverbs 20:30). It also describes the sky, Heaven, and the Holy Spirit.
Brown A dark, blackish color referred only to sheep (Genesis 30:32-33, 35, 40).
Crimson Crimson linen was used in the temple (II Chronicles 2:7, 14, 3:14); the color must have been indelible or permanet (Jeremiah 4:30), as crimson is used figuratively as sin. (Isaiah 1:18).
Often refers to blood atonement and sacrifice.
Gold As gold is the highest, most precious metal, so the divine nature is the highest nature, the only nature having immortality (Exodus 28:36; Psalm 21:3).
Gray Used only to describe the hair of the elderly (Genesis 42:38)
Green Normally describes vegetation; used of pastures (Psalm 23:2); herbage (II Kings 19:26); trees in general (Deuteronomy 12:2; Luke 23:31; Revelation 8:7); the marriage bed (in a figurative sense, Song of Solomon 1:16); a hypocrite compared to a papyrus plant (Job 8:16); and grass (Mark 6:39). A word meaning "greenish" describes plague spots (Leviticus 13:49, 14:37) as well as the color of gold.
Most often associated with the meaning of growth.
Purple The most precious of ancient dyes made from a shellfish found in the Mediterranean Sea. A total of 250,000 mollusks was required to make one ounce of the dye, which partly accounts for its great price. It was highly valued within the nation of Israel.
Used in several features of the tabernacle (Exodus 26:1, 27:16) and the temple (II Chronicles 2:14); the color of royal robes (Judges 8:26); the garments of the wealthy (Proverbs 31:22; Luke 16:19); the vesture of a harlot (Revelation 17:4); and the robe placed on Jesus (Mark 15:17, 20).
This color symbolizes kingship and royalty.
Red Describes natural objects such as Jacob's stew (Genesis 25:30); the sacrificial heifer (Numbers 19:2); wine (Proverbs 23:31); newborn Esau (Genesis 25:25); Judah's eyes (Genesis 49:12); the eyes of the drunkard (Proverbs 23:29); and the dragon (Revelation 12:3).
The color of blood, it often symbolizes life; it also suggests bloodshed in the carnage of war.
Scarlet Scarlet cord was tied around the wrist of Zerah (Genesis 38:28-30); used a great deal in the tabernacle (Exodus 25:4); the color of cord hung from Rahab's window (Joshua 2:18); a mark of prosperity (II Samuel 1:24; Proverbs 31:21); the color of the robe placed on Jesus (Matthew 27:28); though scarlet and purple were not always distinguished (Mark 15:17); color of the beast ridden by the harlot Babylon (Revelation 17:3) along with some of her garments (Revelation 17:4) and those of her followers (Revelation 18:16).
Often refers to blood atonement and sacrifice.
Silver Used to represent the truth. (Psalm 12:6)
White The color of animals (Genesis 30:35); manna (Exodus 16:31); both hair and pustules located in plague sores (Leviticus 13:3-39); garments (Ecclesiastes 9:8, Daniel 7:9); the robes of the righteous (Revelation 19:8); horses (Zechariah 1:8; Revelation 6:2, 19:11); forgiven sins (Psalm 5:7, Isaiah 1:8); a refined remnant (Daniel 11:35, 12:10); the beloved one (Song of Solomon 5:10); the white of an egg (Job 6:6); the shining garments of angels (Revelation 15:6) and of the transfigured Christ (Matthew 17:2); hair (Matthew 5:36); gravestones (Matthew 23:27); and the great throne of judgment (Revelation 20:11).
Portrays purity, righteousness, joy, light, and a white horse symbolizes victory.
Yellow Indicates the greenish cast of gold (Psalm 68:13) and the light-colored hair in a leprous spot (Leviticus 13:30,32)
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Amber
Chashmal
(khash-mal')
The color amber is only found in the KJV book of Ezekiel. Its use demonstrates God's overbearingly bright and immediate presence.
Direct Meaning:
God's glory and the brightness of His presence. - Ezekiel 1:4; 1:27-28; 8:2 (KJV)
Color Symbolism:
Christ as the glory of God - Ezekiel 1:28, II Corinthians 4:6, Revelation 21:23
Associated Symbols:
fire - God's presence (Hebrews 12:29, Exodus 3:2), God's judgment (Genesis 19:24, II Kings 1:10-14, Isaiah 66:15, II Thessalonians 1:7-8)
Black
Chashak
(shaw-khar')
Kamar
(kaw-mar')
Kimriyr
(kim-reer')
Qadar
(kaw-dar')
Shachar
(shaw-khar')
Shachor
(shaw-khore')
Melas
(mel'-as)
Black is primarily associated with the negative aspects of human experience - including death, disease, famine, and sorrow - all of which are the results of sin. The exception is the implication of health when describing hair.
Direct Meaning:
sin - Job 6:15-16
disease - Job 30:30
famine - Lamentations 4:8; 5:10, Revelation 6:5-6
death - Jude 1:12-13
sorrow - Jeremiah 8:21 (KJV)
Opposite Meaning:
health - Leviticus 13:37, Song of Solomon 1:5-6; 5:11
Color Symbolism:
judgment - Jeremiah 14:2, Leviticus 13:37, Job 3:5
Associated Symbols:
sackcloth - mourning (Genesis 37:34, Isaiah 50:3, Revelation 6:12)
Blue
T@keleth
(tek-ay'-leth)
The color blue is used quite extensively in the Old Testament to describe the various hangings in the holy places. It is also used as a symbol of wealth and the corruptions thereof, but it should be noted that purple is used far more frequently for such distinctions. In general blue should be viewed as a heavenly color. Below is only a representation of the color's use in scripture, it occurs far more frequently than demonstrated here.
Direct Meaning:
describing hangings, curtains, coverings (along with purple and scarlet / crimson) - Exodus 26:1;36; 27:16; 28:8, II Chronicles 3:14; etc.
holy covering - Exodus 28:31, Numbers 4:5-7;11-12, Esther 8:15
the Lord's commandments - Numbers 15:38-40
Opposite Meaning:
corruption through vanity, whoredoms and idolotry - Jeremiah 10:8-9, Ezekiel 23:3-8
Color Symbolism:
heavenly - Exodus 24:10, Ezekiel 1:26; 10:1 (sapphire)
holy service - Exodus 28:31, Esther 8:15
chastening - Proverbs 20:30 (KJV)
Associated Symbols:
water(s) - spirit (John 4:13-14; 7:37-39, Revelation 21:6; 22:17, Matthew 3:11-16), people / multitudes (Revelation 17:15, Jeremiah 46:7-8; 47:1-3, Isaiah 8:7; 17:13)
Crimson
Karmiyl
(kar-mele')
Shaniy
(shaw-nee')
Towla'
(to-law')
Crimson is used to describe fine materials and sin. The dye was extracted from the dried body of of the insect coccus ilicis; qirmiz (or kermes) as transliterated in Arabic. (Also see scarlet)
Direct Meaning:
fine materials (along with purple and blue) - 2 Chronicles 2:7;14; 3:14, Jeremiah 4:30
sin - Isaiah 1:18
Associated Symbols:
blood - life (Genesis 9:4-5, Deuteronomy 12:23), sacrifice (Exodus12:13; 23:18)
, remission of sin (Hebrews 9:22, I John 1:7, Revelation 1:5), covenant (Exodus 24:8, Matthew 26:28, Romans 5:9, Hebrews 9:12; 13:12), war (I Kings 2:5, I Chronicles 22:8)
Gray
Seybah
(say-baw')
Siyb
(seeb)
Grey is used to denote old age (for obvious reasons). We can try to gain a bit more meaning by looking at the symbolism of ash even though the two are never directly associated in Scripture.
Direct Meaning:
old age - Genesis 42:38, Deuteronomy 32:25, I Samuel 12:2, Job 15:10, Psalm 71:18
beauty of old age - Proverbs 20:29
weakness - Hosea 7:9
Associated Symbols:
ash - of little worth (Genesis 18:27, Job 30:19), destruction (Exodus 9:10, Ezekiel 28:18, Malachi 4:3, II Peter 2:6)
, purification (Numbers 19:17), sorrow (II Samuel 13:19)
, mourning (Esther 4:3, Jeremiah 6:26)
, repentance (Job 42:6, Matthew 11:21), scattered (Psalm 147:16)
Green
'abiyb
(aw-beeb')
Ra'anan
(rah-an-awn')
Y@raqraq
(yer-ak-rak')
Yaraq
(yaw-rawk')
Yarowq
(yaw-rawk')
Yereq
(yeh'-rek)
Green is primarily associated with plant life. As a result we can view it as a symbol of natural growth and life. The exception is its use in Leviticus to denote disease.
Direct Meaning:
describing a meat offering - Leviticus 2:14
describing edible plants - Genesis 1:30; 9:3, II Kings 19:26, Job 39:8, Psalm 37:2
trees - Exodus 10:15, Deuteronomy 12:2, I Kings 14:23, 2 Kings 16:4; 17:10, II Chronicles 28:4, Psalm 37:35; 52:8, Isaiah 37:27, Jeremiah 2:20
Opposite Meaning:
disease - Leviticus 13:49; 14:37
Color Symbolism:
rest - Psalm 23:2
life - Isaiah 15:6, Psalm 23:2, Ezekiel 17:24, Luke 23:31
growth - Ezekiel 17:24
fruitful - Jeremiah 11:16; 17:8, Hosea 14:8, Luke 23:31
fresh / undefiled - Song of Solomon 1:16, Luke 23:31
maturity - Job 15:31-32
frailty - Psalm 37:2
Associated Symbols:
grass - man / flesh (Psalm 37:1-2; 92:7; Revelation 8:7, I Peter 1:24, Isaiah 40:6-8; 51:12), weakness (Psalm 102:4; 102:11, Revelation 8:7), growth (Psalm 72:16; 92:7, Job 5:25)
trees - coverage (Psalm 37:35), trust (Psalm 52:8), man (Matthew 3:10; 7:15-18, Mark 8:24), The Cross (Acts 5:30, I Peter 2:24)
Ivory
Shen
(shane)
Shenhabbiym
(shen-hab-beem')
Elephantinos
(el-ef-an'-tee-nos)
Ivory is never mentioned by describing the color of something but always as the material itself. Its use denotes costly ornamentation and fine craftsmanship. It symbolizes beauty when describing the body.
Direct Meaning:
a throne - I Kings 10:18, II Chronicles 9:17
cargo / merchandise - I Kings 10:22, II Chronicles 9:21, Ezekiel 27:15, Revelation 18:12
houses - I Kings 22:39, Amos 3:15
beds - Amos 6:4
body parts - Song of Solomon 5:14; 7:4
inlays - Ezekiel 27:6
Color Symbolism:
beauty - see "body parts" above
Associated Symbols:
throne - power (I Kings 1:37, II Kings 25:28), kingship (Genesis 41:40, Deuteronomy 17:18, II Samuel 7:16)
, glory (I Samuel 2:8, II Chronicles 18:18, Psalm 103:19, Jeremiah 14:21, Matthew 19:28; 25:31), judgment (Psalm 9:4;7; 122:5, Proverbs 20:8, Matthew 19:28), holiness (Psalm 47:8), grace (Hebrews 4:16)
neck - posession (Genesis 27:40; 41:42; 49:8, Deuteronomy 28:48, II Samuel 22:41, Nehemiah 3:5, Psalm 18:40, Proverbs 3:3, Isaiah 10:27, Jeremiah 27:12; 30:8, Acts 15:10), embrace (Genesis 33:4; 45:14; 46:29, Luke 15:20, Acts 20:37), strength (Song of Solomon 4:4; 7:4), beauty (Isaiah 3:16, Song of Solomon 1:10), stubbornness / rebellion (when hardened or stiff) (Deuteronomy 10:16; 31:27, II Kings 17:14, II Chronicles 36:13, Nehemiah 9:16-17, Isaiah 48:4, Jeremiah 7:26; 17:23, Acts 7:51)
belly - emotions / desires (Job 15:35; 20:20, Psalm 31:9, Proverbs 13:25; 20:27, Romans 16:18, Revelation 10:9)
beds - fornication (I Chronicles 5:1, Ezekiel 23:17, Revelation 2:22 [spiritual as well])
Purple
'argaman
(ar-gaw-mawn')
Porphura
(por-foo'-rah)
Porphuropolis
(por-foo-rop'-o-lis)
Porphurous
(por-foo-rooce')
Along with blue, scarlet, and crimson, purple is used to describe hangings and fine materials. The dye was extracted from a particularly scarce family of shellfish which made it quite valuable. Purple became a symbol of royalty and riches due to the scarcity of its dye.
Direct Meaning:
describing hangings, curtains, coverings (along with blue and scarlet / crimson) - Exodus 26:1;36; 27:16; 28:8, II Chronicles 3:14; etc.
fine materials - Numbers 4:13, Judges 8:26, Proverbs 31:22, Luke 16:19, Revelation 17:4
describing the dying trade - II Chronicles 2:7, Ezekiel 27:16, Acts 16:14, Revelation 18:12
Opposite Meaning:
royalty, but in mockery - Mark 15:17;20, John 19:2;5
Color Symbolism:
royalty - Judges 8:26
riches - Revelation 18:16, Luke 16:19
corruption of riches - Revelation 17:4
Associated Symbols:
robes - righteousness / righteous judgment (Job 29:14, Isaiah 61:10, Luke 15:22, Revelation 6:11; 7:9;14), kingship (I Kings 22:10; 30-33, I Chronicles 15:27, Isaiah 22:21, Jonah 3:6), outward show (Luke 20:46), virginity (II Samuel 13:18-19)
curtains - seperation / hidden (II Samuel 7:2, I Chronicles 17:1), the heavens (Psalm 104:2, Isaiah 40:60), habitations (Isaiah 54:2, Jeremiah 4:20; 10:20, Habakkuk 3:7)
The Hebrew equivalent is 'argaman; Greek porphura. The latter word refers to the source of the dye, namely, a shell-fish found on the shores of the Mediterranean.
Red
'adam
(aw-dam')
'adamdam
(ad-am-dawm')
'admoniy
(ad-mo-nee')
'adom
(aw-dome')
Purrhazo
(poor-hrad'-zo)
Purrhos
(poor-hros')
There is a diverse use of the color red throughout the Scriptures. Its primary associations are blood and war. Note that references to the Red Sea have been omitted.
Direct Meaning:
skin color - Genesis 25:25
stew - Genesis 25:30
wine - Proverbs 23:31
sores or plague - Leviticus 13:19;49 etc. (numerous references in Leviticus)
bloodied water - II Kings 3:22
clothing - Isaiah 63:2
shields of mighty men - Nahum 2:3
horses - Zechariah 1:8; 6:2
the sky - Matthew 16:2-3
the great dragon (Satan) - Revelation 12:3
Color Symbolism:
war - II Kings 3:22; Nahum 2:3
vengeance - Isaiah 63:2 (read whole chapter)
temptation of sin - Genesis 25:30, Proverbs 23:31
Associated Symbols:
wine - teachings, both true and false (fermented), shame (Genesis 9:21-25; 19:31-36)
winepress - God's judgment of the wicked (Revelation 14:19-20)
blood - see crimson
Scarlet
Shaniy
(shaw-nee')
Tala'
(taw-law')
Towla'
(to-law')
Kokkinos
(kok'-kee-nos)
Scarlet is used to describe fine materials and thread. It was also used in Mosaic purification rituals. Scarlet, like crimson, is used to describe sin. Scarlet can generally be used to symbolize a marker. (Also see crimson)
Direct Meaning:
a thread - Genesis 38:27-29, Joshua 2:18, Song of Solomon 4:3 (lips are like)
fine materials (along with purple and blue) - Exodus 25:4; 28:15; 36:37; etc. (many times over), Numbers 4:8, II Samuel 1:24, Proverbs 31:21
cleansing/purification - Leviticus 14:4;52, Numbers 19:6, Hebrews 9:19
sin - Isaiah 1:18
clothing of a valient man - Nahum 2:3
riches - Revelation 18:12;16
Opposite Meaning:
mocking royalty - Matthew 27:28
the beast being ridden by the harlot Babylon - Revelation 17:3
corruption of riches - Revelation 17:4
Color Symbolism:
a marker - Joshua 2:18;21, Genesis 38:28 (passover)
Associated Symbols:
virtuous woman - Proverbs 31:21
beasts - successive worldly kingdoms (Daniel 7:17;23 [Read whole chapter]), ignorant / lacking understanding (Psalm 49:20; 73:22), devouring destruction (Isaiah 56:9, Jeremiah 15:3, Daniel 7:5), brute fleshly nature (II Peter 2:12, Titus 1:11-13)
Vermilion
Shashar
(shaw-shar') Vermilion is used only to describe paint, both on a house and in a portrait. Its contextual use suggests lust and unrighteousness. The color was most likely derived from iron oxide (rust) which would support the suggested meaning.
Direct Meaning:
paint - Jeremiah 22:14 (a house), Ezekiel 23:14 (portraits)
Color Symbolism:
unrighteousness - Jeremiah 22:13-14
lust - Ezekiel 23:14 (read whole chapter)
Associated Symbols:
paint - a false covering (Matthew 23:27, Acts 23:3)
rust - corruption (Matthew 6:19, James 5:3 [KJV])
White
Buwts
(boots)
Choriy
(kho-ree')
Chuwr
(khoor)
Laban *
(law-bawn')
Tsachach
(tsaw-khakh')
Tsachor
(tsaw-khore')
Lampros
(lam-pros')
Leukaino
(lyoo-kah'-ee-no)
Leukos
(lyoo-kos')
Koniao
(kon-ee-ah'-o)
White is a color of purity and righteousness. It is also used to describe things in nature. Sometimes it is used when describing the body, primarily when healthy and beautiful but also when sick.
Direct Meaning:
animals - Genesis 30:35, Judges 5:10, Zechariah 1:8; 6:3;6, Revelation 6:2; 19:11;14
plant flesh - Genesis 30:37, Joel 1:7
baskets - Genesis 40:16
teeth - Genesis 49:12
Manna - Exodus 16:31
leprosy / plague - Leviticus 13:4;10;19;42, etc., Numbers 12:10, II Kings 5:27
linen - II Chronicles 5:12, Revelation 15:6; 19:8;14
garments / raiment - Esther 8:15, Ecclesiastes 9:8, Daniel 7:9, Matthew 17:2; 28:3, Mark 9:3; 16:5, Luke 9:29, John 20:12, Acts 1:10, Revelation 3:4-5;18; 4:4; 6:11; 7:9;13-14; 19:14
compared as snow - Psalm 51:7, Isaiah 1:18, Daniel 7:9, Mark 9:3
compared as milk - Lamentations 4:7
hair - Matthew 5:36, Revelation 1:14
painted - Matthew 23:27, Acts 23:3
fields - John 4:35
a stone - Revelation 2:17
a cloud - Revelation 14:14
a throne - Revelation 20:11
Color Symbolism:
purity / refinement / unblemished / righteousness / heavenly - Psalm 51:7, Ecclesiastes 9:8, Daniel 7:9; 11:35; 12:10, Matthew 17:2, Mark 9:3, Luke 9:29, John 20:12, Acts 1:10, Revelation 3:4-5;18; 4:4; 6:11; 7:9;13-14
victory - Revelation 6:2; 19:11;14
false righteousness (when only outward) - Matthew 23:27, Acts 23:3
Associated Symbols:
baskets - food (Genesis 40:17, Exodus 29:23, Leviticus 8:26, Numbers 6:15, Jeremiah 24:2, Amos 8:1, Matthew 14:20, Mark 8:8), escape (Exodus 2:3, Acts 9:25, II Corinthians 11:33)
, days (Genesis 40:18)
teeth - devouring destruction (Deuteronomy 32:24, Psalm 124:6, Proverbs 30:14, Isaiah 41:15, Daniel 7:7;19), terror (Job 41:14, Daniel 7:7;19)
milk - first teachings (Isaiah 28:9, I Corinthians 3:1-2, Hebrews 5:12-14, I Peter 2:2)
throne - (see ivory)
Yellow
Tsahob
(tsaw-obe')
Yellow is used to describe a leperous hair in Leviticus and in some translations the color of gold in Psalm 68. Its occurence in Scripture is too low to derive a symbolic meaning.
Direct Meaning:
leperous hair - Leviticus 13:30;32;36
describing the color of gold - Psalm 68:13 (KJV/ASV, green in RSV)
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Zeena and Billy. I suggest you start studying how Colors have been used in the Bible if you expect to understand why and how I feel about them and where I am coming from when I speak about them.
It might also help you both understand what I meant before about the Color Green.
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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Originally posted by GreenCandle:
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Matthew 7:1
I'm not judging you precious Saint, I am judging the attitude you've displayed here in judging others.
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I feel very sorry for you Zeena. You obviously believe that we have no obligation to do good works and to expose Evil where it is found.
Then why, praytell, would I even take the time to rebuke your actions? You are a brother in Christ, dearly beloved for Jesus sake!
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I on the other hand believe differently.
This entire thread is composed of the very thing you accuse me of.
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You have no right to "rebuke" me. You are not a priest.
Revelation 1:6
And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
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You are not above me in any way shape or form.
No I am not.
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I am not a demon.
No you are not.
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I am your brother.
Yes you are! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Start treating me like it.
Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
I would not have stuck my neck out unless I loved you. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Instead of "rebuking me" why don't you start concentrating on Loving me the way YOU LOVE YOURSELF.
You're right.
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You should be very shamed of yourself Zeena. I would be if I was you.
I am not, and neither is our Father.
I spoke out of love for your soul, seeing as you are tortured by thoughts and emotions of hatred for persons.
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I choose to shine the light on Evil wherever I see it. And I believe the actions of our current government and president to be very evil. And therefore I will do what feels right in my heart. Regardless of how much you judge me for it.
You are free to do so.
My post was only a warning.
And by the way;
I believe the probability of EVERY SINGLE WORD you posted is true, for I know the heart of man is decietfully wicked above all things. who could know it.
BUT, getting involved in this worlds system leave little to no room to be in fellowship with God, imo. BECAUSE our thoughts are then being directed to this worlds system, which is far from Christ. Our emotions become entangled in the cares of this life and CHOKE the Word!!!
2 Timothy 2:4
No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
Mark 4:19
And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
In getting involved in the affairs of this world, where is there ANY room left to keep vigil?
Matthew 24:20-21
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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quote:
Originally posted by GreenCandle:
Zeena and Billy. I suggest you start studying how Colors have been used in the Bible if you expect to understand why and how I feel about them and where I am coming from when I speak about them.
It might also help you both understand what I meant before about the Color Green.
I'll study it as God wills, thank you! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Romans 8:1 ASV
There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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I'm sorry for offending you Green Candle.
It was FAR from my intent.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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It's ok Zeena. We're on the same team in the end.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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SLAVERY
A DEFINITION:
The re-orientation of some or all of a person’s (or groups) creativity, energy, resources, assets, time, actions, towards another’s goals, standards and purposes by the introduction of the idea of ‘force’, or ‘threat of force’, meaning the application of physical or emotional pain resulting and insuring loss to the individual(s), (victim)’ if the requests and demands are not met; i.e. (in) forced alignment toward someone else’s goals and purposes.
D.e.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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By far the largest segment of World society lives in the Slave Class. We have become folks that are essentially a worker bee group that is cultured to support the Ruling Class of the World. In other words, we are the people who assemble parts for their microwaves in a factory, haul away the trash, unclog the sewers, serve the food, pump the gas, drive the taxis, balance the books, clean the hotels, and perform a thousand other jobs that the "Controller's" don't want to do.
But if the Slave Class comprises at least three-quarters of the societal whole, than why don't we wise up to the system and try to overthrow it, or at least try to dramatically change it?
There are 3 main reasons why the masses have been pacified:
1. We're motivated by an illusion that we aren't, in fact, slaves, but rather free individuals.
2. We feel blessed to live in our countries (and consider them to be the greatest nations in the World), and to be "overseen" by a caring government that immensely cares about us. This government is increasingly a type of "father-figure" that continues to exert more influence over each person's life, thus freeing us from any actual "responsibility".
3. We complain about taxes, inequality and the crooks in office, but we are always promised a reward at the end of the line (social security, ect.)
The Controllers maintain these programs with help from their Enforcers by making sure that we (the Slaves) have full bellies, but they work very hard to insure that we will never produce enough wealth to reach independence.
As it currently stands, all of the wealth produced by the Slave Class must always be transfered to the Ruling Class. And with our present system of taxation and mind control, this has been extremely effective.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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In an efficient slave system, the slave must think that he/she is in control, or is "free" in other words. But the slave must be left with only the bare minimum with which to provide for personal and family needs. The slave must work most of his/her life, giving over the bulk of his/her earnings to the Ruling Class. This is now being very efficiently accomplished in the United States, and for the most part everyone is currently quite happy with the results.
All one needs to do is start thinking about the regal European castles and churches that were constructed during the medieval times while the feudal system was in effect. Naturally, the Aristocracy (kings, queens, and princes) lorded over the serfs, who surrendered their sweat and muscle power to erect these magnificent structures.
Most people who would ponder that situation would think, "Man, what fools those people must have been. They were nothing but slaves!."
But has the overall class structure actually changed that much over the past millennium? Yes, certain "particulars" have improved, and today we have indoor plumbing, heat, automobiles, and modern medicine, to name a few conveniences. But in terms of a hierarchal caste system, are things dramatically different?
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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70% of America's population, and the number would be closer to 90% if we took the entire World into consideration, are still stuck in the Slave Class. The Controllers of today (bankers, CEO's, ect.) are merely the lords and emperors of times past.
Naturally, some upward and downward mobility exists in this country, but think about this. How many people do you personally know who have truly transcended their class? Certainly someone can go to college or work very hard and believe that they have actually migrated from one class to another, but what are the actual odds that a member of the Slave Class will ever join the Elite Class? Rarely.
We're all pretty much stuck in our class, which in America is largely comprised of a middle class that is snowballed into thinking it has some say-so in how this country is being run. But, quite plainly, it doesn't.
Look at the personal debt we're carrying - it's never been higher. What does that tell you? That the middle class is thriving? No. it's showing that most Americans are living from one paycheck to another, can't completely cover their expenses, and if they lost their jobs, would be in dire straits.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Actually, plenty of Americans are losing their jobs, especially in the industrial and manufacturing fields (due to NAFTA), and replacing them with lower-paying service jobs.
The Slave Class is so busy trying to make ends meet that there isn't time to worry about much else. And guess what? That's exactly the way the Controllers have designed the system. Due to being heavily taxed, indebted, and with scores of bills to pay, plus lawns to mow, raking leaves, cooking dinner, taking care of the kids, fixing the car and so forth, there isn't much time to "get involved". To get involved with a REAL cause to help the World.
Instead, you have people who have been reduced to saying things like, "I do have a CAUSE - putting food on the table and making sure I have enough money to keep the roof from leaking and paying the fuel bill this winter."
Sadly, this is what it has come to for most Americans and other people around the World. No time to fight the Controllers. We are stuck in "survival mode".
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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So do people still think that we don't have a caste system in this country? How much chance does one individual have of jumping up to the next level?
And before anyone starts thinking that I am a pessimist, please let me clarify. I believe in hard work and industriousness as much as anyone, but I am also a realist who observes certain things. And what I see is a firmly established framework that was intentionally designed to keep people busy, enslaved, and too occupied to exert the effort to modify our caste system.
To keep the Machine running, the Controllers need people to produce goods and services for them. But if we make certain products, we also need to buy items such as CD players, $150 tennis shoes, boats, BMW's, and home entertainment systems. So via a subtle form of conditioning called "advertising" coupled with the ingrained concept of our "American Dream", people are constantly striving to keep up with the Joneses and living beyond their means, all in the name of a larger "scheme" that many people don't even know exists.
By promoting concepts such as freedom, patriotism, and a materialistic American Dream, plus the utilization of various conditioning techniques, the masses remain "in our place", continually being exploited and manipulated by an Evil Ruling Class.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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I see this country being deliberately undermined by hidden forces that have seized control of our Government by nefarious means, and thus use it to further promote their Globalist agenda. These shadowy figures, who I've labeled the "Controllers", don't operate with our best interests in mind. Thus, the only hope we have left of saving this nation is to expose them in a dramatic way, and then eradicate them as quickly as possible.
In my opinion, the importance of this stems directly from survival and preservation. Do the American people enjoy being the World's premier superpower at the moment? And all that this privilege entails? Do we appreciate our financial status, and the freedoms we're essentially taking for granted in many cases? If we do, and this point is very serious, if we do cherish these ideals and rights, then we had better start acting like it because the die has been cast to alter the way of life that we've become accustomed to.
It's time that we all looked beyond the veil and actually see what the Controllers are planning for us...and believe me, these Devils are consummate planners.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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In all honesty, I don't think it matters much what we have to say to Congress about these issues. Why? Except for a few rebels, Congressional members are in a position where they're more than satisfied with the status quo.
Here's my rationale:
First of all, years ago George Wallace said, "There's not a dimes worth of difference between the Republicans and the Democrats." And it's true. Oh sure, it "appears" as if there is, but in reality, the entire media-political scene is nothing more than professional wrestling. How can I make such a statement? Again, because both of them have predetermined outcomes that are established out of public view, and both present the results in a dramatic fashion.
It's an illusion, folks.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Not only did the Controllers know about the 9-11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center in New York City, but they ALLOWED them to happen so that American oil companies could further maximize their profits in the Middle East and Caspian Region of Turkmenistan, and also because it was all part of their plan to establish their New World Order on America.
The AIDS virus did not happen "randomly", but was rather created by the World Health Organization in unison with rogue elements of the United States military in order to deliberately kill tens of millions of innocent people (or "useless eaters" as they are called by the Controllers behind closed doors). The Controllers hope that this genocidal program will only continue indefinitely until "enough of the herd has been eliminated".
The very foundation of American society - our right to a democratic vote - has been declared null-and-void, and the American people have been bamboozled for the past twenty years via "Votescam". In other words, every President in recent memory has been "selected" beforehand by a group of hidden Controllers, while the process of voting at the ballot boxes has been nothing but a ruse.
Posted by Billy (Member # 7193) on
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Okay. Enough about the problem. Let's hear the solution. See, this is the inherent problem that we find in conspiracy theories. All gloom and doom with no room to improve. If you devoted this much energy to stepping up on a real soap box (rather than a virtual one) and preaching the gospel into the streets where you live, you might actually have an impact for the Lord, in this world. Tell me, how often have you hit your knees and thanked the Lord that you live in a country where you have the freedom to worship Him the way that He wants to be worship without fear of being lined up alongside your brothers and sisters in Christ and being shot.
Did you know that Americans are in the minority? The majority of the rest of the world don't share the religious freedom that we so take for granted. And on the issue of slavery, I believe there are many in India and western Europe that would be appauled by the fact that you place yourself in the category of a slave. Do you not know that actually slavery (carting people around and trading them as mere possessions) is more prevalent today than it was in the 1800s? The very fact that you would put yourself in that category shows how much American freedom has spoiled you. So next time you get the urge to post this nonsense, consider the actual slaves that are truly suffering in other countries, and stop crying. Unless you can come up with a solution for your perceived problems.
Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on
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Billy, I agree, good post.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Originally posted by Billy:
Okay. Enough about the problem. Let's hear the solution. See, this is the inherent problem that we find in conspiracy theories. All gloom and doom with no room to improve. If you devoted this much energy to stepping up on a real soap box (rather than a virtual one) and preaching the gospel into the streets where you live, you might actually have an impact for the Lord, in this world. Tell me, how often have you hit your knees and thanked the Lord that you live in a country where you have the freedom to worship Him the way that He wants to be worship without fear of being lined up alongside your brothers and sisters in Christ and being shot.
Did you know that Americans are in the minority? The majority of the rest of the world don't share the religious freedom that we so take for granted. And on the issue of slavery, I believe there are many in India and western Europe that would be appauled by the fact that you place yourself in the category of a slave. Do you not know that actually slavery (carting people around and trading them as mere possessions) is more prevalent today than it was in the 1800s? The very fact that you would put yourself in that category shows how much American freedom has spoiled you. So next time you get the urge to post this nonsense, consider the actual slaves that are truly suffering in other countries, and stop crying. Unless you can come up with a solution for your perceived problems.
lol. I see you are still blinded by the "American Dream" that the controllers have installed into your brain.
It's ok. I remember a time when I used to do the same thing. Our country is currently being sold out to just about every country you can think of, gas prices are sky rocketing, and we are in a war where we kill people EVERYDAY (sometimes even "innocent" civilians with families who are left to mourn over their dead bodies) and we do it with no clear goal in sight. How do you truly believe Jesus feels about that one? We also have a renegade president with 2 more in line for his succession, and we are in more debt in this country than we have ever been in History.
In other words, we are in deep **** .
Now, I do believe that America is the Great ***** that the Bible speaks of, who sits upon many waters, and I do believe we are in for quite an ordeal within the coming years.
You can look at our country through peach colored "fake" glasses right now if you want to Billy, but I choose to see the reality of our situation. And what is that reality? That our country is being run into the grave by a bunch of devils. And devils is what they are.
You can talk about the prosperity of our current situation after we go into another great depression. Just don't expect too many people to take you seriously.
I know. I talk to people every single day on the street just as you suggested (As if you knew what I do when I'm not online anyway). And none of them seem to be as happy with our situation as you would appear to be. Go figure.
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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What's the solution Green Candle?
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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I have presented solutions all along this thread for those who haven't already noticed. And I plan to introduce many more.
1 Possible solution I think would be to eliminate this two-headed snake system we have here in America (Republicans vs Democrats) and to install a Greek Senate type of system where there are multiple people who hold the office of the president just like there are multiple people who hold the offices of congress and the senate.
That way we would not ever have to worry about falling under a single dictator who single handedly wields the power of the executive branch to his/her desires.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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In the older Greek Senate System, the Legislative power was exercised by the Parliament and the Senate. The Parliament was made up of 200-250 members elected for a four-year term by direct, secret and universal ballot. The Senate was composed of 120 members elected for a nine-year term, but its synthesis was renewed every three years by 1/3. At least 9/12 of the senators were elected by the people, 1/12 by the Parliament and the Senate in a common session at the onset of each Parliamentary term, whereas the remaining 2/12 were elected on the basis of a principle of representation of the professions.
In the event of disagreement between the two chambers in the voting of a law, the Constitution established the supremacy of the Parliament's vote.
Now The new Greek Parliament has 300 members, elected for a four-year term by a system of reinforced proportional representation in 48 multi-seat constituencies, 8 single-seat constituencies and a single nationwide list. 288 of the 300 seats are determined by constituency voting, and voters may select the candidate or candidates of their choice by marking their name on the party ballot. The remaining 12 seats are filled from nationwide party lists on a top-down basis and based on the proportion of the total vote each party received. Eligible for deputies are Greek citizens aged 25 or over on the date of the election, who are eligible to vote. With the sole exception of university professors, citizens who are public servants are disqualified from submitting their candidacies, unless they irrevocably resign their office before promulgation.
The business of parliament is handled by the Presidium, which consists of the Speaker, five Deputy Speakers, three Deans and six Secretaries. It is characterised by a tri-partisan composition, meaning that the fourth Deputy Speaker, a dean and a secretary belong to main opposition party, and the fifth Deputy Speaker and a secretary belong to the next largest (by seats) opposition party. A member of the Presidium, who of course must be a parliamentarian, cannot be a member of the Cabinet or an Under-Secretary. While the Speaker of the Parliament and the five Deputy Speakers are elected at the beginning of each term and for the entire duration of that term, the tenure of the Deans and of the Secretaries lasts for the duration of one regular session of the Parliament for which they were elected.
The Parliament votes for a Bill to become Law in three voting sessions: firstly in principle, then per article (when amendments may be proposed and either approved or rejected) and then as a whole. A "simple" (50% plus one) majority is sufficient for any such vote to pass.
Parliament has the right to revise or amend the Constitution, except for the articles dealing with the "Form of the State" (i.e. the establishment of the presidential, parliamentary republic) and the articles safeguarding human rights and freedoms, which are unalterable.
Revision of the Constitution is initiated by a motion by at least one sixth of MPs, and agreed by a supermajority of three fifths of MPs, expressed twice, in two separate votes at least one month apart. In this case, the business of revision is transferred to the next term of Parliament, i.e. after the following legislative elections. Parliament may then ratify the revision by a 50% plus one majority. If the initial motion for revision has only achieved a 50% plus one majority, then a three fifths supermajority of the new Parliament is required. A Parliament thus endowed by its predecessor with the powers of revising the Constitution is officially named a "Revisional Parliament" and is enumerated separately from "Ordinary" Parliamentary terms.
In recent years, the 1974 Parliament was titled "5th Revisional", the 1986 one was the "6th Revisional" and the 2001 one the "7th Revisional Parliament". The 2004-2007 Parliament was the "11th Ordinary Parliament" of the Third Hellenic Republic, and the 2007 Parliament will be the "8th Revisional Parliament". A minimum of five years must elapse after the successful conclusion of the revision process, before another may be initiated.
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My opinion? We need something similar to this. 1 President and 2 parties (2 sides of the same coin) just aren't cutting it anymore.
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GreenCandle wrote:
I see you are still blinded by the "American Dream" that the controllers have installed into your brain.
American Dream? Tell me, when was the last time that you were beaten for your faith? When was the last time that you were imprisoned for exercising free speech? When was the last time that you were dragged into court for questioning the actions of our government? Let me tell you, you're living the "dream," buddy. When's the last time that you hit your knees and thanked God for all the freedom that you do have, rather than moaning in the agony that it is not that ideal state that you would hope for it to be?
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It's ok. I remember a time when I used to do the same thing. Our country is currently being sold out to just about every country you can think of, gas prices are sky rocketing...
And I ask you again, what is your solution? I don't mean, what is the ideal state, but what are you going to do about it, in your life? Are you willing to get an education, seek office, go against the norm and educate the youth (face to face, not on some virtual soap box that was designed for Christian fellowship)? Are you willing to find out all the facts, from all sides, regardless of how it might shatter your current view on the topic? Are you willing to put it all in the hands of God, regardless of the outcome? That's what our forefathers did.
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...and we are in a war where we kill people EVERYDAY (sometimes even "innocent" civilians with families who are left to mourn over their dead bodies) and we do it with no clear goal in sight. How do you truly believe Jesus feels about that one?
Who are you listening to?
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The best and the brightest are not necessarily on campus or in the corporate boardroom, right now. The best and the brightest are you out on the parade field. Men, don't ever think for one minute that the kids running around on some university campus, protesting, breaking things or complaining about this, that and the other, have anything on you. You are privileged to have the one advantage that they all covet. You will know. You will have facts, about the goings on in Iraq, Afghanistan, Jabudi, the Balkans, the Philipines and many other places. Your head will not be filled with the empty theory of those who in actuality know very little because they lack the intestinal fortitude to commit to anything that requires risk. I'm speaking of the snide, arrogant sort who spend the day blaming America for every wrong in the world before going home to sleep at night under that blanket of freedom provided by better men; better men just like you.
Men, you are headed for the most complicated battlefield in the history of warfare. An asemetric three block war, if you will. You'll engage in viscious close combat on one block, protect children as they attend school on the next, and restore water and power on the third. All of this simultaneously. You will, on a daily basis, make life or death decisions with only the time it takes to blink one's eye; to process, decide and take action. You will often find yourselves as part mayor, district chief, police chief and arbitrator of disagreements between ethnicities and tribes as varied as our own fifty states.
The techno wannabes in the corporate world can't begin to fathom the vast responsibility that you've accepted. You will be scrutinized like no warriors before you. Expected to eradicate our enemies, passify your critics and abide by the laws of land warfare, as only we and our true allies seem committed to doing. You'll hold more responsibility and do more in the next few years than most people will do in an entire lifetime. High expectations to be sure. But you will succeed.
Don't let the pessimistic television talking heads, the high brow newspaper writers, Hollywood idiots or any other faction of the "blame America first" crowd get you down. I'm speaking, here, of a latte viscate crowd. They are simple background, shadow men, and they will always exist on the periphery of any endeavor that requires selfless service or loyalty. They are not worthy of your concern. And truth be told, in the pit of their fickle, cowardly hearts, they wish they could be just like you. The intestinal fortitude that is a part of your fabric is something they covet, but will never know.
- Lt. Col. Randolph C. White
(At the graduation ceremony of Delta Company, 2nd Battalion of the 58th Infantry and Charlie Company, 1st Battalion of the 19th Infantry.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbOcJ6kqJAA
I know for a fact that I misspelled some words, in there, but you get the jist. Listen, I am a soldier. I am currently in the sandbox. I am a medic with a ground ambulance company. Do you think I am blind to what goes on over here? Do you think I don't see the good that is happening, here? Sure, there are a lot of soldiers that are whining, because they trained to be infantry or artillery, and they are having to work security or act as a police officer rather than do what they were trained to do (blow stuff up), but I never hear anyone complaining that they are not able to do enough good for the people of this region. So don't tell me what is happening over here. Why don't you get a clue and stop listening to the idiots on T.V. that don't know the first thing about reality.
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We also have a renegade president with 2 more in line for his succession, and we are in more debt in this country than we have ever been in History.
Now, that I'll agree with. Government spending is way out of control.
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In other words, we are in deep **** .
Tell me something. What do the *s stand for?
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Now, I do believe that America is the Great ***** that the Bible speaks of, who sits upon many waters, and I do believe we are in for quite an ordeal within the coming years.
Eisegesis rears its ugly head.
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You can look at our country through peach colored "fake" glasses right now if you want to Billy, but I choose to see the reality of our situation. And what is that reality? That our country is being run into the grave by a bunch of devils. And devils is what they are.
So, why don't you run for president, if you can do such a better job, angel.
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You can talk about the prosperity of our current situation after we go into another great depression. Just don't expect too many people to take you seriously.
I haven't said anything about prosperity or the economy, but good try.
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I know. I talk to people every single day on the street just as you suggested (As if you knew what I do when I'm not online anyway).
I didn't suggest that you talk to people about their personal economics. That's easy. I said that your time could be better spent getting out and talking to people about the damned state of their soul and the grace that God offers through His Son, Jesus Christ.
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And none of them seem to be as happy with our situation as you would appear to be. Go figure.
Everyday that I get to further spread the gospel of the God Who died for me is a good day. I'll let you know if some kind of financial hardship takes that away. According to His promises, however, it is not likely.
In Christ,
Billy.
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Jesus is the solution, He always was!
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Simple Faith:
Must we run at a pace between maddening and insane to prove we're among the faithful? Is this really how the Prince of Peace would have us live? In this classic work, Swindoll answers with a resounding no, showing how Christians can break free from exhausting, performance-based faith.
http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?item_no=44196&event=CF
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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What about the President, Congressmen, and high-level administrators at the Treasury and IRS? Do they feel the pinch? Hardly - they're all pulling six-figure salaries (or more), enjoy lavish expense accounts, and they have chauffeurs driving them to work every morning.
So, who does that leave as the scapegoat - the one who bears the brunt of this system? You guessed it - the American taxpayers! Do you think we should look into changing this system? I mean, there's a lot more of US than there is of THEM!
Well, let's look at our elected leaders in terms of simple psychology.
When they borrow and spend someone elses money and don't have to pay it back from their own pockets, what motivation do they have to be frugal? Even worse, they get paid very well to spend this money regardless of whether they successfully balance their budgets or not. If this were the business World, every one of them would be fired on the spot. And finally, to add insult to injury, these shysters even get to determine their own salaries, and how much their next pay raise will be! Boy..I bet most people wish that they could to that huh? Does something seem a little unbalanced with this equation?
And while all this nonsense is taking place, what do we all do? We work forty or fifty hours a week, then we get a paycheck that has been raped and pillaged by the very same people that dine on filet mignon and charge it off on their expense accounts. And as you stare in disbelief at your pay stub, can you hear their mocking laughter from Washington D.C., New York City, and other financial centers in Europe?
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Over the past decade I've noticed a disturbing trend that is ruining our culture - which is the fact that our populace is being weakened as a whole through a variety of subtle techniques (advertising, social conditioning, political correctness, certain movements, ect.). Concepts such as strength, conviction, and belief are seen as detrimental and counter-productive. Instead, the power elite are promoting an agenda of societal weakness that will ultimately result in any fight that we have left being taken away from us.
As we move toward this end, remember one thing, which is that as the social conditions push to weaken us, they will always retain their strength and NEVER deliberately surrender one iota of it (gun control is a perfect example).
And what is the key to this weakening process? It lies in one word - conduct. Because the Controllers want us to be TOLERANT of everything, but this tolerance only applies to those acts that follow their patterns of behavior, but not to anything that falls outside of this realm.
In a sense, the Controllers are tolerant of everything except for speech and thought.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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First, the lies being thrown at us are systematically created. What's taking place is not accidental. The people deceiving us do so because that is their purpose within the system. By manipulating communications and the dissemination of information, they ultimately want to create a uniform opinion among the masses that fully supports their control.
Now, what happens if we are perpetually bombarded with doses of unreality? We'll eventually lose our ability to reason through a situation or come to accurate conclusions. Reality will become lost in the shuffle, and we'll accept any pablum or nonsense that the Controllers spoon-feed to us.
And as sad as it may sound, this transformation is already taking place. Because people are now able to escape the consequences of their actions through the clever manipulation of image and LANGUAGE! A good example would be the question, "Could you define what "is" is? Like Bill Clintons words when he said, "I never had sexual "relations" with Miss Lewinsky."
He was able to tell a bold faced lie, while at the same time, in his own twisted mind, was able to tell the truth. At least in his way of thinking.
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People. Look at how the AIDS virus, a man-made disease, is decimating large parts of the World, especially the continent of Africa. Take a second to examine how many fossil fuels are being burned to choke our atmosphere when an alternative - hydrogen energy - is so much more efficient. Consider how many trees, animals, waterways, farms and endangered species get eliminated each day due to "the bottom line".
I could ramble endlessly about these plights, such as how our sickening tax system is destroying our country, but instead I'll simply say that those who want to run the World are willing to sacrifice anything, including LIFE ITSELF on this planet, to promote their evil agenda.
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How do you think David Rockefeller, or one of the other "Invisibles", spends each day? They're obviously not digging ditches, sitting in an office deciding who gets a new home quality loan, or punching a clock and working a nine-to-five. Him, and those of his ilk, have SO much money that it is no longer the driving force in their lives. You see, because they OWN money, and control how it's created, distributed, and stored. Thus, those at the very upper echelon of control, those who actually call the shots, spend their time on one primary task - situating the World so that they can perpetuate their realm of control.
And just how does a being continue to control once they've assumed such a position? Does it just happen at random, or by coincidence? Of course not. The planning involved is incredible.
One of the techniques used is called System Analysis, which is, essentially, a methodology used to examine any given situation or problem. Then, once a situation is arrived at, it is set into motion. During, this process, any number of different factors are set in place, all of which can change at any time, and all of which can affect the original proposition. All of these factors are analyzed in relation to how they affect or influence an array of possible outcomes.
In regard to World events, System Analysis is used to not only examine each situation, but also to manipulate and direct a set of goals that have already been determined. In other words, this technique is an instrument of CONTROL, that is wielded behind the scenes without the knowledge of those being controlled. The most dangerous type of control is that which cannot be seen.
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Here's what we need to remember - there are men whose sole function (one that they assumed for themselves) is to manage the World. Thus, if they're able to control the variables and different factors that affect our daily lives without us even being aware of such a force, try to imagine how this contributes to our identities, and to our decision making processes.
Many of us believe that a form of "horizontal control" is what keeps societies working. In other words, all of the elements of control are essentially laid flat on a table and exist at roughly the same level. This type of thought would characterize a government where elected leaders are chosen by the people, then serve them in a way that would be most beneficial to everyone in that society.
Now, a second group realizes that horizontal control is merely an illusion that we're conditioned to believe in by our educational system and the media. They can see that the way our system works is more through "vertical control" where there are hierarchies and levels of influence. In this system, a pyramid-like structure exists where those at the top (the few) rule over those at the bottom (the masses).
Finally, a third group sees that although vertical control holds some truth, the reality of our situation is one of "vertical manipulation", a system where control is exercised from hidden quarters and isn't readily explained to those being subjected to it.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Here is another example of how certain factors can be manipulated to achieve a desired result. Let's say a group of World leaders wanted to examine what would happen to an area if a temporary police state bordering on martial law were implemented. First of all, a very distinct segment of the populace would be targeted as the control group, then systematically and continually bombarded with information that keeps them perpetually disgruntled. When they're brought to the peak of outrage, another injustice (either actual or perceived), is the final straw that sets them over the edge. The target group then rebels and begins acting in a "socially unacceptable" manner that triggers violence. After a pre-determined period of time, the "Law" comes in and cracks the whip, establishing martial law across the area.
Now, some may say that'd never happen. They would claim that it's only conjecture.
Well, back in the 90's, people lived through this precise scenario as it unfolded across an entire city. Do you remember the L.A. Riots in 1992? First of all there was a disgruntled group (the Blacks) who had an ongoing beef with the LAPD, and were primed for action by Spike Lee's Do the Right Thing. Then Rodney King got beaten, and the videotape was replayed thousands of times to keep the target group's anger festering. Finally, a trial was conducted and the police officers were found innocent.
Incensed, the blacks rioted for three days, and then the National Guard, County Sheriff's, State Police, and local Police departments set-up what was essentially martial law, complete with curfews, restricted areas, and so forth.
So, if System Analysis was used PRIOR to the riots to examine each divergent scenario, can you now see how things could be mapped-out rather than allowed to simply happpen at random, and also how certain situations are manipulated to garner a GUARANTEED response?
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At this point, I'm going to switch gears a bit and look at a concept that runs parallel to Systems Analysis - the Corporate Organization Model.
The first area of interest that we need to examine is how prevalent the use of conditioning is in our society today. Take for example the use of marketing campaigns that get us to purchase products that we don't even need. Rather than focusing on what is actually required for our survival - that which keeps us alive, like food - these companies create various "needs" in our minds that stimulate our greed and hunger.
Now some people may say, "Who cares if we are tricked into buying pretty air fresheners, or baboozled into taking our dogs to pet psychologists 'for their own good'. Whats the big deal?
Well, if you think about it, how is our personal life, and society in general, molded by this type of subtle conditioning? If you don't believe me, think back to a time one hundred years earlier when advertising didn't play such a prevalent role in our lives. Look at how we've been "seduced" by this deceptive organism. We have teenage and college-aged girls starving themselves to death because we've embraced a culture of thinness. We're also obsessed with youth, so women in their 40's and 50's are having face lifts and tummy-tucks, while girls of all ages have boob jobs because flat-chested girls "don't stack up". What a load of bull.
In addition, adolescent girls dress like they're 20 years old because "sex sells", while our throwaway, consumer culture has led to rampant personal debt and an environment that is literally exhausted. All because we're told that these are the "things" we need to make us happy.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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One hundred years ago we didn't think this way guys. But we do today. Why? Well, if you take a child that's six months old and sit them in front of a television set for six hours a day (or more), and then allow their minds to be poisoned by the public conditioning system (it can no longer be classified as "public education"), and then feed them garbage propaganda on our nightly newscasts, what would you expect? All of these forces combine to do a pretty good job of defining our identity.
Often times, people, and entire cultures, are fashioned, shaped, and molded without even knowing that such a process is taking place.
So, in light of the Corporate Organization Model, everyone is viewed as a consumer, which is why there are always different products being constantly redesigned to fill our "needs".
Now, being that the Machine is such a vital part of our Control System, what does it take to keep it running? The answer, of course, is ENERGY. This is why our current Corporate Organization Model way of thinking is persisting today. Look at some of the wealthiest corporations in the World - Exxon, Texaco, Mobil, and Gulf. What do they all specialize in? Burning fossil fuels. In regard to homes, what is the largest utility cost that we face? Again, the answer is energy. To get from one place to another, which corporations do we support? Ford, Chevrolet, Dodge, ect. Related to this are the peripheral companies that keep our automobiles running - Goodyear, Firestone, Valvoline, ect. If our cars are too slow, we flock to the airline industry - United, U.S. Air, ect. Finally, to protect our borders, we throw money to an industry that capitalizes on energy - Hughes, Northrop, ect.
And so now that we've seen the connection between energy and our economy, we need to analyze how we rely on endeavors that fail to take into consideration the Human Race or our planetary concerns. How can we still be burning fossil fuels after all these years when hydrogen energy is so much better? By perpetuating this practice, we keep filling our air, water, ground, and lungs with a poison that is destroying us en masse.
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As the Controllers continue to poison our planet, they're simultaneously examining ways to save their own hides. As Hugh Fox says, "The Invisables in no way depend on what we consider to be survival conditions for their own survival."
Now being that we've taken a peak at the Controller's motives, why don't the masses revolt and alter their destiny? The Controllers realize that this reaction is a very REAL possibility, and so they punch a number of factors into their Systems Analysis Model and arrive at a variety of ways to keep the populace appeased and docile.
The three most important variables to keep the American people in line:
1. Economic well-being - If our income, taxes, and cost of living are kept within "acceptable limits," then the citizenry will not cause trouble.
2. Social well-being - If crime rates and the quality of our neighborhoods are maintained, the people will feel safe in their surroundings.
3. Personal well-being - if our family life, our sex life, and our ability to "meet our goals" are kept within acceptable levels, then the masses will remain calm.
Thus, when the Controllers collude with global corporations, American business, industry, government, and the financial centers by calculating the effect of each factor within a Systems Analysis Model, we begin to see that things in our society don't just happen at random. There are hours upon endless hours of planning - and complex strategies - needed to keep the Machine rolling. With this in mind, we find that people can be kept contented with three centers of well being - economic, social, and personal. If you also keep them distracted with sports, gossip, scandals, and the overall rat race; then there isn't much they're going to do to rock the boat.
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So Zeena,
How's your day going? I'm a little sore from my experience at the gym, the other day. I think I overworked myself. Also, I'm a little perplexed by a conversation I'm having online. I just spent a good hour or so typing up a message to a guy that I thought was well worth reading and responding to, and he seems to have just completely ignored me. Oh well. Some people just don't want to be bothered with solutions that are personally applicable and readily attainable. They would rather just whine about the problem, over and over again. "Let go, and let God," I say. Well, hope all's well with you. Talk at you later.
Billy.
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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It's ok Zeena. We're on the same team in the end.
Thank God!
May I please ask another question then?
What is 'that' team?
Is it Heaven against Hell, good against evil?
Or is it God in control of everything?
For indeed, the Scripture does say that He is.
He even goes so far as to set our mind at ease by allowing us to know He is even in control of governments..
Romans 13:1
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Corinthians 10:4
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
I would be so bold as to go so far as to say that He created calamity for His own purpose, for His Glory!
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
http://worldinvisible.com/courses/romans/rom0921.htm
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Thus, who cares whether one is a door-keeper in the house of the Lord or the leader of the angel choir, whether one is a mighty staff in God's hand or a little insignificant nail-as long as one is doing what we were made for-there lies perfect, perfect peace!
Romans 9:21
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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So Zeena,
How's your day going?
My day went well thank you. I was able to give two HUGE containers of spicy chilli to hungy people, praise God! I was even exhausted to the point of collapse and He still worked in and through me!
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I'm a little sore from my experience at the gym, the other day. I think I overworked myself.
The body, your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, whom you have from God. Ergo, it is His body now, and He can overwork it if He likes
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Also, I'm a little perplexed by a conversation I'm having online.
1 Corinthians 14:32-33
And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
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I just spent a good hour or so typing up a message to a guy that I thought was well worth reading and responding to, and he seems to have just completely ignored me.
And he still is worth it. And if he ignored you will you look away from Christ?
Galatians 1:3-10
Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
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Oh well. Some people just don't want to be bothered with solutions that are personally applicable and readily attainable.
There's only One who does..
Life in Christ is not a passive rest, it is an active rest.
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We also discover that this spiritual rest is DISTINCT FROM SELF-EFFORT. "For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His." (Heb 4:10). This is grace! When we rest in Christ through repentance and faith for salvation, we receive Him as a person. "And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. (1 John 5:11-12). How amazing that eternal life is not only inherited after death, but is the PRESENT POSSESSION of the true child of God! Jesus promised, "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. "(John 6:47). Notice the verb tense--"has"-- right now!
So if we have come to a place of rest for salvation, (with the promise of eternal rest in heaven-Rev 14:13), we are also called to rest fully in Christ as our source of spiritual life.
"Jesus, I am resting, resting,
In the joy of what Thou art,
I am finding out the greatness
Of Thy Loving heart."
Instead of passivity, rest involves active fellowship and trust. This is the message of the paradoxical exhortation of Hebrews 4:11: "Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest. . ." (Heb 4:11). Diligent to rest? Yes--diligent to set our minds on things above (Col 3:1-3), diligent to surrender our self-will by taking Christ's shared yoke (Matt 11:29), diligent to depend fully on the sustaining life of the Vine (John 15:1-8).
Many readers are pastors and missionaries--occupations (like many others) which are prone to the condition of "burn out." Christ says to us, "Come apart and rest a while." (or you may end up just "coming apart"!).
Do you have a burden you need to lay down? Climb into the hammock! Be diligent to REST.
"And the night shall be filled with music,
And the cares that infest the day,
Shall fold their tents like Arabs,
And silently steal away." (Longfellow)
JBW
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They would rather just whine about the problem, over and over again. "Let go, and let God," I say.
You sound burdened, time to lay it down my brother.
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Well, hope all's well with you. Talk at you later.
Talk at me huh.. What am I a wall?
Be blessed, in Jesus Name.
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Talk at me huh.. What am I a wall?
Southwestern, American figure of speech. No offense intended. It means let's keep the line of communication open for another time.
Posted by Zeena (Member # 7223) on
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Talk at me huh.. What am I a wall?
Southwestern, American figure of speech. No offense intended. It means let's keep the line of communication open for another time.
No offense taken, I thought it was strange is all ![[updown]](graemlins/updown.gif)
Good night.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Originally posted by GreenCandle:
It's ok Zeena. We're on the same team in the end.
Thank God!
May I please ask another question then?
What is 'that' team?
Is it Heaven against Hell, good against evil?
You Hit it right on the money Zeena. Make no mistake, we are here to battle against Evil as well.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
but against principalities, against powers, against the
rulers of the darkness of this World, against spiritual wickedness
in high places.
- Ephesians 6:12
I am not going to argue with you about whether God is ultimately in control. Because of course He is. But you seem to be forgetting about the gift of Free-Will. God's will and Man's will are two different things. God gave Man his OWN will, to use it as he pleases. And even though we have total freedom in that sense (can you think of some of the horrible things people do everyday without being zapped by lightning or vaporized by the forces above?), even though we have total freedom to CHOOSE as we wish, many times we take the EVIL path, and just like God separated the Light from the Dark, there are 2 sides, positive and negative, "good and bad" Black and White.
2 Teams. I know which one I'm on.
But Zeena, the World is not as "orderly" as you might believe it to be. God does NOT interfere with Man's Free-Will to choose, unless He is ASKED to do so. And even then, there is no guarantee that He will. Especially if it's already something that you MUST go through in order to grow closer the Source through He who opened the Way.
There are forces here Zeena, who answer to no one but themselves. The things they are capable of doing Zeena are far beyond anything you have heard or read about in public information sectors.
The things you have heard about, babies being ripped out of their mothers wombs, after their mothers have been raped, people being tortured to death with the most horrific little devices you could ever imagine, believe it or not, they don't compare.
Just because it hasn't happened to you YET Zeena, doesn't mean it couldn't. So THE FIGHT AGAINST EVIL MUST CONTINUE. Until the day that those forces no longer exist within our realm.
If you don't believe me about God not interfering, stand outside, ask a friend to point a gun at you, ask God to stop the bullet from hitting you, and have your friend pull the trigger.
God will not interfere with a choice that YOU make. It's your responsibility to choose. And your's alone.
Posted by Billy (Member # 7193) on
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GreenCandle wrote:
If you don't believe me about God not interfering, stand outside, ask a friend to point a gun at you, ask God to stop the bullet from hitting you, and have your friend pull the trigger.
God will not interfere with a choice that YOU make. It's your responsibility to choose. And your's alone.
Spoken like a true deist. So God created the world, and then just sat back and watched everything happen, huh? He never interferes, huh? This is so inconsistant with the Bible.
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Question: "What is the difference between God's sovereign will and God's perfect will?"
Answer: When speaking of God’s will, many people see three different aspects of it being revealed in the Bible. The first aspect of it is known as God’s decretive, sovereign, or hidden will. This is God’s "ultimate" will. This facet of God’s will comes out of the recognition of God’s sovereignty and the other aspects of God’s nature. This expression of God’s will focuses on the fact that God sovereignly ordains everything that comes to pass. In other words, there is nothing that happens that is outside of God’s sovereign will. This aspect of God’s will is seen in verses like Ephesians 1:11; where it tells us that God is the one “who works all things according to the counsel of His will” and Job 42:2, "I know that You can do everything, And that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You.” This view of God’s will is based on the fact that because God is sovereign, His will can never be frustrated. Nothing happens that is beyond His control.
This understanding of His sovereign will does not imply that God causes everything to happen. Rather, it acknowledges that because He is sovereign, He must at least permit or allow whatever happens to happen. This aspect of God’s will acknowledges the fact that even when God passively permits things to happen, He must choose to permit them, because He always has the power and right to intervene. God can always decide to either permit or stop the actions and events of this world. Therefore, as He allows things to happen, He has “willed” them in this sense of the word.
While God’s sovereign will is often hidden from us until after it comes to pass, there is another aspect of His will that is plain to us. That aspect is what is known as His perceptive or revealed will. As the name implies, this facet of God’s will simply acknowledges that God has chosen to reveal some of what His will for us is in the Bible. The perceptive will of God is God’s declared will concerning what we should or should not do. For example, because of the revealed will of God, we can know that it is God’s will that we do not steal, that we love our enemies, that we repent of our sins, and that we be holy as He is holy. This expression of God’s will is revealed both in His Word as well as in our conscience, through which God has written His moral law upon the hearts of all men. The laws of God, whether found in Scripture or in our hearts, are binding upon us. We are accountable when we disobey them.
Understanding this aspect of God’s will acknowledges that while we have the power and ability to disobey God’s commands, we do not have the right to do so. Therefore, there is no excuse for our sin, and we cannot claim that by choosing to sin we are simply fulfilling God’s sovereign decree or will. Judas was fulfilling God’s sovereign will in betraying Christ, just as the Romans who crucified Him were. That does not justify their sins. They were no less evil or treacherous, and they were held accountable for their rejection of Christ (Acts 4:27-28). Even though in His sovereign will God allows or permits sin to happen, we are still accountable to Him for that sin.
The third aspect of God’s will that we see in the Bible is God’s permissive or perfect will. This facet of God’s will describes God’s attitude and defines what is pleasing to Him. For example, while it is clear that God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, it is also clear that He most surely wills or decrees their death. This expression of God’s will is revealed in the many verses of Scripture which indicate what God does and does not take pleasure in. For example, in 1 Timothy 2:4 we see that God desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth,” and yet we know that God’s sovereign will is that “no one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:44).
If we are not careful, Christians can easily become preoccupied or even obsessed with finding the “will” of God for our lives. However, if the will we are seeking is His secret, hidden, or decretive will - we are on a foolish quest. God has not chosen to reveal that aspect of His will for us. What we should seek to know is the perceptive or revealed will of God. The true mark of spirituality is when people desire to know and live according to the will of God as revealed in the Scripture, and that can be summarized as “be holy for I am Holy” (1 Peter 1:15-16). Our responsibility is to obey the revealed will of God and not to speculate on what His hidden will for us might be. While we should seek to be “led by the Holy Spirit,” we must never forget that the Holy Spirit is primarily leading us to righteousness and to being conformed into the image of Christ so that our lives will glorify God. God calls us to live our lives by every word that proceeds from His mouth.
Living according to His revealed will should be the chief aim or purpose of our lives. Romans 12:1-2 summarizes this truth as we are called to present our “bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.” To know the will of God we should immerse ourselves in the written Word of God, saturating our minds with it, and praying that the Holy Spirit will transform us through the renewing of our minds, so that the result is what is good, acceptable and perfect—the will of God.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Gods-will.html
Consider the words of Spurgeon, regarding the spread of the gospel...
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Who ought to preach, then? Everyone who can preach should do so. The gift of preaching is the responsibility for preaching. I often wonder at some Christian men who can fire away so grandly on the hustings, or the platform, but who never speak for Christ; they will have to account for those prostituted tongues.
Charles Hadden Spurgeon
The C.H. Spurgeon Collection; Evangelism, pg. 12
I have seen that you have a gift and a desire for writing and research. Why don't you use that gift to save souls? You might say, "How do you know that I don't preach Christ, when I am out and about?" Because you don't preach Christ, here. Christ is not merely an accessory that Christians adorn themselves with. One that they can put on and take off whenever they please. Christ is the very substance of their life! Every aspect is touched by their desire to further the gospel. All that I've see from you is a desire for revolution. Christ is just a means by which you try to justify the beliefs that you bring to us.
The passage you quoted is correct. Our war is not against flesh. Our war is spiritual, in nature. Thus, we should take it to the One that can do something about it; the Lord Jesus Christ. If we hope to have an affect on the world, we will not do so by cleaning up the outside of dirty cups or by whitewashing the tombs of rotting corpses. We will only change the world by introducing people to the One that can change their hearts. It is not enough to argue with them. It is not enough to complain about them. These endeavors are worthless and get us nowhere. We must spread the gospel and let God do the rest. It only takes a little something called faith.
In Christ,
Billy.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Originally posted by Billy:
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GreenCandle wrote:
If you don't believe me about God not interfering, stand outside, ask a friend to point a gun at you, ask God to stop the bullet from hitting you, and have your friend pull the trigger.
God will not interfere with a choice that YOU make. It's your responsibility to choose. And your's alone.
Spoken like a true deist. So God created the world, and then just sat back and watched everything happen, huh? He never interferes, huh? This is so inconsistant with the Bible.
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Question: "What is the difference between God's sovereign will and God's perfect will?"
Answer: When speaking of God’s will, many people see three different aspects of it being revealed in the Bible. The first aspect of it is known as God’s decretive, sovereign, or hidden will. This is God’s "ultimate" will. This facet of God’s will comes out of the recognition of God’s sovereignty and the other aspects of God’s nature. This expression of God’s will focuses on the fact that God sovereignly ordains everything that comes to pass. In other words, there is nothing that happens that is outside of God’s sovereign will. This aspect of God’s will is seen in verses like Ephesians 1:11; where it tells us that God is the one “who works all things according to the counsel of His will” and Job 42:2, "I know that You can do everything, And that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You.” This view of God’s will is based on the fact that because God is sovereign, His will can never be frustrated. Nothing happens that is beyond His control.
This understanding of His sovereign will does not imply that God causes everything to happen. Rather, it acknowledges that because He is sovereign, He must at least permit or allow whatever happens to happen. This aspect of God’s will acknowledges the fact that even when God passively permits things to happen, He must choose to permit them, because He always has the power and right to intervene. God can always decide to either permit or stop the actions and events of this world. Therefore, as He allows things to happen, He has “willed” them in this sense of the word.
While God’s sovereign will is often hidden from us until after it comes to pass, there is another aspect of His will that is plain to us. That aspect is what is known as His perceptive or revealed will. As the name implies, this facet of God’s will simply acknowledges that God has chosen to reveal some of what His will for us is in the Bible. The perceptive will of God is God’s declared will concerning what we should or should not do. For example, because of the revealed will of God, we can know that it is God’s will that we do not steal, that we love our enemies, that we repent of our sins, and that we be holy as He is holy. This expression of God’s will is revealed both in His Word as well as in our conscience, through which God has written His moral law upon the hearts of all men. The laws of God, whether found in Scripture or in our hearts, are binding upon us. We are accountable when we disobey them.
Understanding this aspect of God’s will acknowledges that while we have the power and ability to disobey God’s commands, we do not have the right to do so. Therefore, there is no excuse for our sin, and we cannot claim that by choosing to sin we are simply fulfilling God’s sovereign decree or will. Judas was fulfilling God’s sovereign will in betraying Christ, just as the Romans who crucified Him were. That does not justify their sins. They were no less evil or treacherous, and they were held accountable for their rejection of Christ (Acts 4:27-28). Even though in His sovereign will God allows or permits sin to happen, we are still accountable to Him for that sin.
The third aspect of God’s will that we see in the Bible is God’s permissive or perfect will. This facet of God’s will describes God’s attitude and defines what is pleasing to Him. For example, while it is clear that God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, it is also clear that He most surely wills or decrees their death. This expression of God’s will is revealed in the many verses of Scripture which indicate what God does and does not take pleasure in. For example, in 1 Timothy 2:4 we see that God desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth,” and yet we know that God’s sovereign will is that “no one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:44).
If we are not careful, Christians can easily become preoccupied or even obsessed with finding the “will” of God for our lives. However, if the will we are seeking is His secret, hidden, or decretive will - we are on a foolish quest. God has not chosen to reveal that aspect of His will for us. What we should seek to know is the perceptive or revealed will of God. The true mark of spirituality is when people desire to know and live according to the will of God as revealed in the Scripture, and that can be summarized as “be holy for I am Holy” (1 Peter 1:15-16). Our responsibility is to obey the revealed will of God and not to speculate on what His hidden will for us might be. While we should seek to be “led by the Holy Spirit,” we must never forget that the Holy Spirit is primarily leading us to righteousness and to being conformed into the image of Christ so that our lives will glorify God. God calls us to live our lives by every word that proceeds from His mouth.
Living according to His revealed will should be the chief aim or purpose of our lives. Romans 12:1-2 summarizes this truth as we are called to present our “bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.” To know the will of God we should immerse ourselves in the written Word of God, saturating our minds with it, and praying that the Holy Spirit will transform us through the renewing of our minds, so that the result is what is good, acceptable and perfect—the will of God.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Gods-will.html
Consider the words of Spurgeon, regarding the spread of the gospel...
quote:
Who ought to preach, then? Everyone who can preach should do so. The gift of preaching is the responsibility for preaching. I often wonder at some Christian men who can fire away so grandly on the hustings, or the platform, but who never speak for Christ; they will have to account for those prostituted tongues.
Charles Hadden Spurgeon
The C.H. Spurgeon Collection; Evangelism, pg. 12
I have seen that you have a gift and a desire for writing and research. Why don't you use that gift to save souls? You might say, "How do you know that I don't preach Christ, when I am out and about?" Because you don't preach Christ, here. Christ is not merely an accessory that Christians adorn themselves with. One that they can put on and take off whenever they please. Christ is the very substance of their life! Every aspect is touched by their desire to further the gospel. All that I've see from you is a desire for revolution. Christ is just a means by which you try to justify the beliefs that you bring to us.
The passage you quoted is correct. Our war is not against flesh. Our war is spiritual, in nature. Thus, we should take it to the One that can do something about it; the Lord Jesus Christ. If we hope to have an affect on the world, we will not do so by cleaning up the outside of dirty cups or by whitewashing the tombs of rotting corpses. We will only change the world by introducing people to the One that can change their hearts. It is not enough to argue with them. It is not enough to complain about them. These endeavors are worthless and get us nowhere. We must spread the gospel and let God do the rest. It only takes a little something called faith.
In Christ,
Billy.
I agree with many of the points you made Billy. That we should always be working harder to bring people closer to God. Which I do (I know, you expected me to say that).
But...alas, you are right. I haven't done it on here yet. But, I am currently working on something else at the moment. However, could you please fill the void then while I am doing it?
Also, if you don't like reading my thread here, then why bother? Or perhaps you do, but you just wish I would speak a little about Jesus? Very well, I will do just that tonight then. I will post a thread of my very own, of my very own opinion, on Christ, and how I believe we are United in Him (And God).
Posted by Billy (Member # 7193) on
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GreenCandle,
I'm sorry that I've been so hard on you. I've been where you are. Not necessarily on the war in Iraq issue, but nonetheless, I understand your fervor for political interests. As a young man, I always said that I would not concern myself with politics and would never vote. When I was 18 years old, I had a car that only had AM radio. After listening to many political talk shows, I became vehemently political. I would debate the issues with anyone that I came across. I favored myself a Libertarian, and I still like a lot of their stances, though I can't get down with their views on abortion, the war on drugs and many of their foreign policy issues.
Regardless, after Christ changed my life, I began to realize that the idealism of man is worthless if it does not line up with God's glory, and is fruitless without the spread of the gospel. Individuals must be changed. Only after that will governments be changed. Do you think we could install a Libertarian government in a place like Iraq? Of course not. It would get overthrown in a matter of minutes. We would first have to win them to Christ. Then they might be willing to allow so much freedom.
The same is true for America. We are not in the state that we are in because of governments. We should expect governments to fail, in as much as they are made up of fallen men. We are in the state that we are in because professing Christians aren't doing fulfilling their duty to the One that they claim is their Lord. If the gospel was soundly preached, from the pulpit as well as in the streets, we would see a drastic change in America, today.
There are workers out there, but they are few and far between. People are too concerned with their kids' next soccer game, who's going to win on American Idol and "What can I do now? I'm so bored." Here's an idea; "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." We are such a spoiled nation. Spending all of our time on the internet, playing games, rushing from here to there. We should just stop it already. All of it! If it is not necessary, cut it out. Take every thought captive, and waste not a moment that could be spent bringing the lost to repentence and faith in Jesus Christ.
I see your fervor. You remind me of a great man from the Bible. His name was Simon Peter. He was a man of great conviction. At times it was misplaced, but when he placed it on the work of spreading the gospel, the Lord really used him. I pray that the Lord use you in the same way.
In Christ,
Billy.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Thank you very much for the kind words Billy and I do respect your opinions even if I don't always agree with them. I apolagize if I offended you in any way myself.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Alright kids, back to work for me.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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I see your fervor. You remind me of a great man from the Bible. His name was Simon Peter. He was a man of great conviction. At times it was misplaced, but when he placed it on the work of spreading the gospel, the Lord really used him. I pray that the Lord use you in the same way.
In Christ,
Billy.
Man we've come a long way from that haven't we. lol. From that to you telling me I am going to burn hell. talk about a 360 degree turn.
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Can't you see? We're seen the same as a company that manufactures bars of soap. But instead of factoring in ingredients, raw materials, cost of production, logistics, and advertising, they plug in social variables, tax rates, crime statistics, inflation, and a slew of other numbers.
Thus, by keeping us occupied with the Machine, we don't have the time or the effort to get enraged about the sale of our Presidency to the New World Order, blatant assassinations (i.e. Princess Diana), the loss of our input in the electoral process ("Votescam"), the creation of a horrendous disease (AIDS), ongoing CIA mind control experiments, how our guns are slowly being taken away from us, the inception of new laws that continually remove our freedoms and right to privacy, or the way our planet is being decimated and destroyed.
The sad part is, that for some people, all of that stuff is alright, as long as they still have their jobs, they still have food on the table, and that they still have a stable social structure with a belief that they are part of the greatest nation of all time.
For some people, as long as those things remain in tact, they are willing to let the "Controllers" get away with whatever the hell they want to. And it makes me sick. And I despise it.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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Similar to a reverse-version of Abraham Maslow's famous "hierarchy of needs" model, if the Controllers can manipulate the basic elements needed to keep us satisfied, (the least common denominator), and keep us distracted at the same time, than they can continue to chip away at realizing their dream - the creation of a One-World Government.
One may now ask, if the Controllers are so ingenious, does that mean that they never make mistakes or screw up? Of course not, but they are aware of those factors that hold the most potential for disaster. They are:
1. Any person (or group) that wants to overthrow the existing order.
2. Any reconciliation between groups usually at odds with each other.
In other words, the Controllers seek to maintain and promote CONTAINED INSTABILITY. Not full-blown anarchy or insurrection, mind you, but enough conflict to perpetuate a Hegelian Dialectic that falls within the desired parameters that have been pre-determined via System Analysis.
Someone may also wonder - why would those in control want a state of constant conflict or strife? Well, because limited wars, limited crime, limited drug use, limited auto fatalities, limited industrial accidents, limited pollution, and limited organized crime all mean that people will always be told that something needs to be done to maintain the status quo (the three centers for well-being).
What we are not told, though, is that their status quo is one of deliberate instability - there is always one force being pitted against another - constant tension - and a continual formula of conflict that is being set in motion. And, it is ALL being calculated and implemented behind the scenes, just like the Wizard of Oz.
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Another reason for this instability is that whenever there are problems (which is always), the masses will constantly be looking for people to SOLVE these problems. How is this done? By introducing new products, new governmental programs, new investments, and new spending. And what results from all this "newness"? People keep consuming, and the Machine keeps rolling!
So what happens if things get out of hand? What if people get so fed up with the status quo that they feel like rebelling, or starting a war? At first glance, such a scenario would seem like a very detrimental thing. But in reality, according to the Controllers, long-term peace is not in the best interest of society (See The Report from Iron Mountain).
The reason for this is twofold. First, those who rule society view certain segments of the population as "useless", or a tax on our resources. Thus, they need a way to eliminate them. And to the Controllers, what could be better than war? And secondly, war is the most effective way to stimulate a nation's economy. Plus, from a purely "business" aspect, war allows the Controllers to expand into new markets, rebuild cities that were destroyed (via interest-garnering loans), and to create new consumers (those who were conquered).
Also, for the Controllers, arms production doesn't require an advertising budget or buyers that need to be convinced of a product's merit. The only thing they have to worry about is distribution - getting the bombs and guns to the areas being warred upon.
The ultimate method of keeping the Machine in motion is via social unrest, uneasiness, and conflict, all of which hold the potential for war. Peace and tranquility are looked upon with disfavor.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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To try and convince us all of this system's virtue, the Controllers use "double-agents" and "double-talk" to create an illusion that their programs will ultimately benefit us.
A prime example of this would be the rash of cameras that are being erected in large cities and small towns across America. As these constant forms of surveillance keep an eye on us, we're told that the ones at each street corner are used to stop red-light runners, while they tell us that the ones on top of each building are used to combat drug dealers, gangs, or riotous behavior. While some people protest, we get double-talk from newspaper editorials, surveys, phony polls, and TV commentaries that tell us how great the idea is. The end result is that Big Brother slowly becomes more and more apparent through the implementation of creeping surveillance.
And yet another example of how double-think affects us is by what were taught versus the rules under which the Controllers operate. Throughout our lives, we've been told to be honest, peaceful, virtuous, and fair. And yet look at how those who wish to run our World operate. Do you think that they follow, or play by, the same rules that they've told us to adhere to?
What I'm trying to convey is this: any time "doubles" are used, different layers of "reality" can be seen. It's similar to peeling back the layers of an onion. Once one is stripped away, other levels still exist beneath it. But we can't stop simply by exposing only one layer, because many more are still hidden that we're not even aware of until we keep peeling away at the Controller's veneer. All of these layers, then, are literally "fronts" and "double-fronts" that the Invisables use to cover their essential CORE.
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By saying one thing in the guise of another, the Invisibles create an illusion where their outer layers conceal the true nature of their inner core.
By now, someone may be thinking, everything sounds so utterly controlled, calculated, and analyzed. What would happen if somebody stepped out of line?
Not only is this an excellent question, but again, for the answer, all we have to do is look at what played-out right here in America in the early 1960's when President John. F. Kennedy was killed right before our eyes. This quote by Hugh Fox is a good starting point:
"There is a truisim in espionage circles that runs something like ASSASINATIONS ARE EASY, PLANNING "NATURAL DEATHS" TAKES TIME."
"By 1963, the Invisibles had so perfected their technique that there was no longer any need to fake natural deaths. Assassination could look like assassination - only the actual assassin's and assasination game-plan would be projected out on the Invisibles Counter-world in such a way - and on such a level - that anyone searching for motivations or logistic links on the straight level of Single - (or even Double) Think would hardly even begin to understand the Logistics of this Invisable Counter-Reality."
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You see folks, President Kennedy didn't play by the pre-established, traditional rules that the Controllers had set down for him (and other Presidents). A lot of time and money was invested in President Kennedy, but he reneged on his deals and turned his back on the CIA, the Mafia, and all the goals they wanted to accomplish in Cuba, Russia, and Vietnam. Everything had been planned via their Systems Analysis techniques, but President Kennedy refused to fit into their "game-model".
How so? Well, President Kennedy didn't fall into the Pentagon's fanatical campaigns against Russia or Vietnam (either a perceived "Cold War" or an actual bloodbath in the jungles), and thus, he negated the profitability of their War Machine. In fact, by Spring of 1963, Kenneth P. O'Donnel reported that President Kennedy vowed to start withdrawing all troops from Vietnam in the near future.
So what we have is a variety of powerful men who have a vested interest in how certain events unfold. They had created an Corporate Organization Model that took into consideration EVERY possible factor that affects a number of outcomes. When thing's didn't work out, the final option was to create a "game-model" scenario to assassinate President Kennedy (the source of their problems) that contained a multitude of variables.
By placing numerous false-leads and built-in decoys to divert attention away from (rather than toward) the true killers, a "counter-reality" was created similar to the "doubles" that I mentioned earlier.
If you are having a hard time believing that.....all you have to do is look at all the different theories that have been put out into the World regarding JFK's assassination. Look at all the phantom cars theories, the grassy knoll scenarios, the hidden tunnels beneath the freeway theories, misdirection, patsies, double-identities, and missing evidence. It's incredible!
Once the kill had taken place, the "selected person" had taken his fall and the surface charade was ended as the link between "visible" and "invisible" disappeared.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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To the Controllers, Exhaustion will always take the place over regeneration. Those who try to halt the consumptive nature of the Machine will be in serious danger of duly being eliminated. But let that not stop anyone in this World from standing up for what is right.
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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So now that we've established a basis for how the power elite operate; we should also reexamine the reality of our situation at the present moment.
1. Power isn't derived from governments, and national boundaries are nothing but an illusion.
2. Supranational companies are the ones who are currently attempting to call the shots here on Earth.
3. At the top of the corporate-financial power structure are the international bankers.
4. At the head of this power structure - the very men who want to rule the World - are the chairmen of the World's largest financial structures (i.e. Chase Manhattan).
5. These entities attempt to control both war and peace.
6. They are not concerned with conservation, but with depletion.
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In a sense, we need a new perspective for looking at the World. The concept of sovereign nations is slowly becoming a thing of the past, and is being replaced by global corporations that are controlled by international financiers. If seen in this light, the United States is nothing more than a supranational, government-subsidized business that is interlocked with every other "country/corporation," all of whom are subordinates of the World money interests.
In essense, then, what we have are national interests bowing to the global Controllers' demands. We are no longer seen as Americans, Canadians, or Australians; no, we're seen by the Controllers as cogs in the Machine that must keep churning away through the process of consumption (consumerism).
Gundrun Tempel, in The Chairman is God, comments on how these financiers have become god-like beings:
"Every man, woman and child is a mini-market....we are units in the biggest data bank the World has ever known."
Posted by GreenCandle (Member # 6763) on
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To the Controllers, we are ALL viewed as the "workable units" of the machine. We are seen as nothing more than insignificant elements of a colossal machine that is hooked-up to a planetary data bank, with layers upon layers of bureaucratic hullabaloo, distraction, illusion, and various modes of conditioning acting as a barrier between us and them.
At the other end of this maddeningly complex process, hidden from view, are the "Invisables". If you don't believe me, try to discuss these issues with Mr. David Rockefeller in New York City. Do you think that you'll be able to get to him? No! He's untouchable....out of reach....invisible.
We're simply viewed as cogs in the mega-machine that can be manipulated on a project-by-project basis by a group of elite planners who are hidden from public view.
People are no longer seen as Human entities, but as units or variables in a grand, machinistic design.
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