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Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
Can You Guess Who said these things?

"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior... I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

"Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross."

"For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator"
 
Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :
 
Adolf Hitler


Kind of shoots holes in the theory that just because a politican says he is a Christian, doesn't make it so. [Frown]
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
Wow! I really didn't think anyone was going to guess that.

Yes, it does make one think... doesn't it? [Frown]
 
Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
Hey Deb: This could be a very interesting thread: I have one for you.... Who said this?

"Oh, I hope I am converting, I don't mean what you think....if in coming face to face with God we accept Him in our lives, then we are coverting. We become a better Hindu, a better Muslim, a better Catholic, a better what ever we are......

What approach would I use? For me naturally it would be a Catholic one, for you it may be Hindu, and for someone else Buddhist, according to one's conscience. What God is in your mind, you must accept."
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
John Paul II??

I remember reading something like that awhile ago that he said.
 
Posted by peh (Member # 4446) on :
 
I don't think Hitler could be classified as a politician in the same sense that President Bush is a political figure, any more than Jim Jones could be called one. Hitler thought he was the Christ according to one biographer. And we know according to all evidence that he was a nutcase.

Jesus said many would come saying....doesn't make politicians who say they are Christian automatically suspect.

But, as Jesus also said, according to your faith, so be it unto you...
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
Jesus also said:

Matthew7:15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

But this one I can't seem to find:
quote:
Originally posted by peh:
But, as Jesus also said, according to your faith, so be it unto you...
Where is this?
 
Posted by peh (Member # 4446) on :
 
quote:
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Originally posted by peh:
But, as Jesus also said, according to your faith, so be it unto you...
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Where is this?
Mt 9:29
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
Thank you. I don't know why that didn't come up on a search?

Yet, I still don't get what you were trying to say?
 
Posted by peh (Member # 4446) on :
 
Jesus said in many ways what you get is according to your faith.

You and others apparently have faith in things that are printed which accuse government officials of many terrible plots and actions. I don't.

According to your faith, you will see what you see. According to mine, I will see what I see.
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
...wow

Peh, You can choose to believe what you want. I know that it has been the enemy's plan since the beginning to try to make himself god. You can choose to believe that he doesn't have followers that are doing things according to the plans he's made with his minions throughout the ages... but we've been told it would happen. God's Word tells us this. God didn't choose to lay out the specific plans, but Daniel said that there would be those who understood and would instruct many. Now, I am NOT one of those, but I can see what's happening and I'm simply forwarding what I find. It's up to you rather you choose to believe it or not... Many people have tried to shed light on the darkness (Eph 5:11), but as usual, most people want to keep their heads in the sand. Do you really think the AC is going to come about out of some spiritual vaccum? That he's just going to magically appear on the world stage?

You do have a choice about reading these threads you know... you don't have to. I am most definitely NOT advocating militant behavior or any revolt against government, I have very simply been sharing what I find. If you find this unacceptable, then please don't read my posts. Thank you [Smile]
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by helpforhomeschoolers:
Hey Deb: This could be a very interesting thread: I have one for you.... Who said this?

"Oh, I hope I am converting, I don't mean what you think....if in coming face to face with God we accept Him in our lives, then we are coverting. We become a better Hindu, a better Muslim, a better Catholic, a better what ever we are......

What approach would I use? For me naturally it would be a Catholic one, for you it may be Hindu, and for someone else Buddhist, according to one's conscience. What God is in your mind, you must accept."
Linda, Is it John Paul II?
 
Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
Did I miss something? What exactly did Bush have to do with this quote from Hitler?

Jesus said according to your faith, be it unto you and then he touched their eyes. Their faith was in Christ.

I really do not see how this applies to believing something one reads to be true or not. Some people believe everything they read, some people believe nothing they read some 1/2 what they read and I think that there are many factors that influence what whether we believe what we read. Is it about someone you know, like, care about? Is it written by someone you know like or care about? Have you had any experiences that would lead you to believe or disbelieve what you have read or the person wtiting it? Do you have any previous knowledge that supports the truth of what you read. What if anything will it cost you personally, emotionally or otherwise to believe what you have read? Does it challenge your paradigms? will it cause you to have to change a paradigm? and on and on.

I really do not know what Bush had to do with this thread, but you know what, I voted for Bush, I would vote for him again, I believe that God put me in a place where the government is elected and made me free to vote and so I vote and I voted for Bush because I thought he was the best candidate and I still do think that. I prayed ferverently regarding the election for God's will to be done, what ever that may be and I believe that his will was that Bush would be president. I continue to pray that this government would be led by God and that those in power would seek HIS will.

But I am not so blind as to think that the very coming of the AntiChrist himself to power is not the will of God, and if that man be bush himself then so be it. Even the destruction of the last days are within God's plan. God is in control.

Personally, wrong nationality IMHO, but this government is not now above conspiracy nor has it ever been above conspiracy. Do we remember Jimmy Hoffa? Do we remember the Cuban Missle Crisis or the Iran Contra Scandal or those that were poisoned with agent orange in Viet Nam or the assisinations of Kennedy, Martin Luther King, or what about the attempts to assisinate Castro, or Watergate or TWA 800, or Monsanto, or what about Manuel Noriega and the "War on Drugs", what about the CIA created, trained, and armed death squads in Guatemala. Where ever there are men and power and money, there is opportunity for corruption and conspiracy.

Do we somehow think that the Beast is going to not be here one day and be here the next? The beast has been here from the beginning and it arose up from a sea of people.

I do not think that there is anything wrong with seeing what is going on in the world and trying to discern if it be of God or if it be of the enemy.

However, I will say this, if we find our selves reading more of what the enemy is doing in the world than we find ourselves reading God's word, then we might check ourselves.

If we find ourselves meditating more on what the enemy is doing in the world that the scriptures or what God has done and is doing in the world, then we better check ourselves.

If we find our selves more concerned about what the enemy is doing in the world than what God is doing and wills to do in the world, then we better check ourselves.

But, as much as I know that I want to live in a vacume with nothing but God and my Bible, I know that this is not God's way, He has called us to be light and love and salt in the world and to live in the world and so sometimes it is good to know what is going on in the world.

How would we know how to pray, of we did not know what was going on?

Ok, I am off the soap box.

by the way...... The quote is Mother Theresa.

Here is another for you. Who said this?

I have held many things in my hands, and have lost them all; but whatever I have placed in God's hands, that I still possess.
 
Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
by the way...... The quote is Mother Theresa.

Here is another for you. Who said this?

I have held many things in my hands, and have lost them all; but whatever I have placed in God's hands, that I still possess.
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
Well said Linda, and I am indeed checking myself (and have been) [Smile] I don't necessairly like all that I see, but I'm in constant Prayer regarding it. The Lord will see me through all of this - I have no doubt on that!

I voted for Bush too because I felt he was God's choice as well. But I've done a whole lot of flip-flopping (even more then Kerry did [Big Grin] ) on how I feel about his presidency and his past (Skull & Bones that is). I just can't ignore all of the Bad Fruit he has produced as president. Especially the role he's taken against Israel. Or the Freedoms we're going to be giving away under the Patriot Act (among other things). I also can't ignore what I Know about Freemasonry either. Believe me, I Fought believing what I do now! I didn't want to believe it! But I asked for the Truth...(And NO, I don't think he's the AC)


As for you last quess who said... I don't really know, but I'm going to guess "Spurgen?" (sp?) (I know I've heard this quote before, but as usual... memory fails me [Wink] )
 
Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
Well, I will wait and see if someone else can guess who said it and if not I will tell you, but I think that this thread is cool! I would like to see it continue.

You know, I have always been kind of awed by some of the people God has chosen to bring about his will. Think about it; It was Nebuchadnezzar that God used to bring judgment on the ruthless Assyrians when their time came for judgment. Then look at Cyrus! He was as pagan as they come, but God used him, a Pagan, Persian King, to return Judah to Jerusalem and to finance the the rebuiding of the wall and the city and the temple. And he sent back all the things that Nebuchadnezzar had hauled out of the temple as spoil! An Cyrus come perhaps more closely than any other pagan I can think of to giving glory to God's sovereignty with his decree:

Ezra 1:2 Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.

hah! I should have saved that for a "Who said this?" [Razz]
 
Posted by whitesands777 (Member # 3424) on :
 
Peh, I really don't think it's fair to make a blind sided statement about a persons faith and implying they don't have faith in God...

Soft has faith in Jesus and His Word and is watching for His coming as He commanded. Jesus gave us many prophecies of future events that will ocurr in the world before His return.
 
Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 4667) on :
 
"Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country." Guess who said this.
 
Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on :
 
John F. Kennedy I believe said that. Shalom
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
Thank you Whitesands [hug]

Can anyone guess Homeschoolers question? I tried...
 
Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 4667) on :
 
"I came out of Bataan and I shall return." Do you know who said this and why?
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
Excuse me, but we're still on this question:

quote:
Originally posted by helpforhomeschoolers:
Here is another for you. Who said this?

I have held many things in my hands, and have lost them all; but whatever I have placed in God's hands, that I still possess.

 
Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 4667) on :
 
It will be really good to know the answer as to who said that.
 
Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :
 
Martin Luther ??????
 
Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on :
 
Okay GramaJo, the suspense is getting to me. Please let us know who said that? Was it a military leader?

I like this game, lets keep it going as its very educational. Shalom
 
Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 4667) on :
 
Texas Grandma and Yahsway,

No it wasn't Martin Luther King, Texas Grandma - good try though. Yahsway, you came the closest - yes it was a military leader. The answer is as follows: During world war two General Douglas MacArthur and his family were stationed in the Phillipine Islands. Word came that there was an impending invasion by the Japanese forthcoming.
General MacArthur and troops retreated to Bataan. An evacuation of General MacArthur and his family was ordered and right before he and his family left he stated "I came out of Bataan and I shall return." He did not want to have to leave his troops or the Phillipino people but he was ordered to do so.
Bataan is where the infamous Japanese death march occurred when they ordered all the prisoners of war to march giving them no mercy of any kind.
 
Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 4667) on :
 
"Let's Roll." Do you know who said those two now famous words?

Yahsway, yes I agree with you that it would be very educational to keep this game going.
 
Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :
 
I have held many things in my hands, and have lost them all; but whatever I have placed in God's hands, that I still possess.

This is not Marther Luther?
 
Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
TexasGrandma:

This is indded Martain Luther:

" have held many things in my hands, and have lost them all; but whatever I have placed in God's hands, that I still possess."

Grandmajo: "Let's Roll" were the brave words of Todd Beamer as he rallied the passengers aboard Flight 93, to try and stop their hijackers on Spetember 11th.
 
Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on :
 
Great GJ, I thought perhaps it was MacArthur. Yes, I remember learning anout that death march but the place Bataan illuded me.

I just love learning history and new things as well. okay, i got one. This is from memory so the quote maybe a little off. Here goes:

Madamn I may be drunk but you are sure ugly. Tomorrow i will be sober but you will still be ugly.

This maybe not the exact words but the meaning is the same. Know who said it?
 
Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :
 
Madamn I may be drunk but you are sure ugly. Tomorrow i will be sober but you will still be ugly.

I did some searching and came up with

Winston Churchill
 
Posted by redkermit (Member # 4059) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by helpforhomeschoolers:
Did I miss something? What exactly did Bush have to do with this quote from Hitler?
Perhaps. I also got the impression that this was a "shot" at Bush. Being the line of thought that just because he claims to be a Christian doesn't mean he is one. Maybe we are reading too much into it, but compared to the content of a couple other threads, I thought the underlying message was pretty clear.

Anyway, to Gramajo's quote, "Let's roll" belongs to Todd Beamer, I believe. I hope I got the name right.
 
Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
Who said this?

"God and man are one. Man is incarnate God."
 
Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 4667) on :
 
Texas Grandma,

I misunderstood your reply - I thought you were replying in reference to mine. I'll try not to misunderstand again.
 
Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :
 
redkermit

My point was that many voted for President Bush because they thought he was a Christian, but just because someone says there are does not mean they will. He would have thought that Vice President Cheney would use the "F" word and then refuse to apologize for it.
betty
 
Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on :
 
You are right TG!! I think that is sooo funny. I believe he was a great person.
 
Posted by redkermit (Member # 4059) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:
redkermit

My point was that many voted for President Bush because they thought he was a Christian, but just because someone says there are does not mean they will. He would have thought that Vice President Cheney would use the "F" word and then refuse to apologize for it.
betty
TG - I understand your point, my comment had nothing to do with your post. I was just saying I got the same impression as Peh did about the original post of this topic.
 
Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 4667) on :
 
Red Kermit,

Yes you are right. The words "Let's roll" were the last words Todd Beamer spoke before he and two other men attacked the terrorist thereby forcing the plane to crash in a field in PA.
 
Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :
 
Gramajo320


No problem whatsoever. Believe me I live in a state of confusion sometime. [Wink] It does make life interesting. [spiny]
no harm no problem.
so you have a great day.
betty
 
Posted by Gramajo320 (Member # 4667) on :
 
Betty,

Thank you - God bless - have a great day too.

Joanne
 
Posted by hardcore (Member # 4492) on :
 
Who said this?

"A cultist is anyone who … Has a strong belief in the Bible & the second coming of Christ; who frequently attends Bible studies; who has a high level of giving to Christian causes; who home schools their children; who have accumulated survival foods and have a strong belief in the 2nd amendment; and distrusts big government. Anyone who fits any of these characteristics is cause for concern, but someone who fits two or more of these traits is a threat, and any family exposed to this is at risk, which would require government intervention."
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
Tom Ridge, the First Head of Homeland Security!
 
Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
quote:
Perhaps. I also got the impression that this was a "shot" at Bush. Being the line of thought that just because he claims to be a Christian doesn't mean he is one. Maybe we are reading too much into it, but compared to the content of a couple other threads, I thought the underlying message was pretty clear.
Thank you for explaining Redkermit. It never would have occured to me that it was anything but a post about "who said this". Most people are shocked to find these are the words of Hitler.

In fact, I recall another thread in this regard where someone posted the same thing. I dont remember who it was, Dale or Drew or someone posted this and I was shocked, and did not know that Hitler had posted these things.

I dont think that it is a good thing to think that we know what motivates people. I think that this is the very thing we cant be judges of....the intents of the heart of men.

I once wondered about someone I knew who seemed to blindly uphold things someone else I knew said and I thought this so strange; I thought "talk about blind allegence" I mean this person could have said the sky is falling and this other person I thought would have said..."Yes, the sky is surely falling!" Then I learned that she was his mother!

Someone else I know used to condemn everything someone else I knew said; "I thought....ughhh what a negative attitude!" It didn't seem to matter what this person said, it was evil and mean and ugly and wrong.... then one day, I learned that the one being condemned was the exhusband of the one condemning.

You make think that is funny...or even not so funny..but both situations are true; and both show me that we most times do not know what things motivate the actions or words of others and we should not try to judge the intents of people's hearts.

We all have paradigms that color the way we view the world and the people and events in our lives.

If we want to know if this was a stab at Bush, we should ask; maybe it was; maybe it was not. Maybe it was a stab at all of us who would believe that a person who says they are a Christian is a Christian. Maybe it was genunine shock on her part; maybe it was an earnest shared feeling that things are not always as they seem. Maybe it was just an interesting thing to post!!!

But if we assume that we know the motivation of her heart then we might just find that the devil has allowed us to be offened that we sin against Deb by judging what we cannot judge justly.

I know that if someone says to me "I am a Christian, then I believe them to be a Christian." If I then learn that they believe that Jesus is something other than the Jesus of the scripture, that while they might believe themselves to be Christians, they are deceived. But even then, It is not I that discerned the intents of their heart, but it is the word of God that did so. I was only able to see it because I knew the word of God.

We can look at Hitler and see that he was not a Christian, but we can only do this because 1. his actions do not line up with the word of God and 2. We have lived long enough to see his end and know that it was worse and more evil than his beginning.

As long as a man lives, we do not know what God will do with his life. Moses, was a murderer...so was David. Paul persecuted believers. Paul was an evil man, but Paul was ordained from birth to be what Paul would be.

Time will tell what Bush is or is not; maybe we will be given privy to see it, as we are now with Hitler, maybe we will not be given privy. In the mean time, can we call sin that we can see sin? You betcha we can and we should, because to call evil good is a sin every bit as much as to call good evil.

When I hear Bush says things like this while professing the Christianity of the Holy Bible and the Faith of Abraham Issac and Jacob, there is a problem in that the walk and the talk are at odds with one another and to say differently is to call evil good.

"According to Muslim teachings, God first revealed His word in the Holy Qur'an to the prophet, Muhammad, during the month of Ramadan. That word has guided billions of believers across the centuries, and those believers built a culture of learning and literature and science. All the world continues to benefit from this faith and its achievements."
Remarks by the President George W. Bush At Iftaar Dinner
The State Dining Room, Washington, D.C.
November 19, 2001


"The Islam that we know is a faith devoted to the worship of one God, as revealed through The Holy Qur'an. It teaches the value and the importance of charity, mercy, and peace."
President George W. Bush's Message for Ramadan
November 15, 2001
 
Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
Hardore! Is deb right? Is that who said this? Please quote your source??? God help us all!
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
Honest Linda! It was on one of the DVD's I got from the Cutting Edge. Hopefully Hardcore has a source we can check on the internet as well
 
Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
Woa! I hope that is not true! Anyway, since both my questions and my replies seem to be being skipped over here, let me try again.

Who said this:

"God and man are one. Man is incarnate God."
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by helpforhomeschoolers:
Who said this:

"God and man are one. Man is incarnate God."
I'm guessing either Copeland or Hinn?

(I have another one after this, K?) [Wink]
 
Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
Well, I will be interested in a source because that quote is listed on snopes as an urban legend attributed to Janet Reno and was reported to have been said in a 60 minutes interview in 1994. I will continue checking but the urband legend site says there was not a 60 minutes interview by Reno in 94. I also found the quote on a christian site that had this comment:

"A cultist is anyone who... Has a strong belief in the Bible & the second coming of Christ; who frequently attends Bible studies; who has a high level of giving to Christian causes; who home schools their children; who have accumulated survival foods and have a strong belief in the 2nd amendment; and distrusts big government. Anyone who fits any of these characteristics is cause for concern, but someone who fits two or more of these traits is a threat, and any family exposed to this is at risk, which would require government intervention." - Attorney General Janet Reno, in a statement made on June 26, 1994 while on the TV show '60 Minutes'. [60 minutes subsequently destroyed their master copies of the interview and denied its' existence.]

But just the fact that it was attributed to Reno in its intirety and now to Ridgland makes it suspect in my book.
 
Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
Rev Sun Yung Moon - You go now.
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
egggh.... Shiver

OK...

Who Said These Things? (Exerpts from an interview)

Asked what he thought of Mormonism, Catholicism, and other such faiths, _______ responded, “Oh, I think I have a wonderful relationship with them.”

_________ was especially commendatory of Catholicism. He explained, “I am very comfortable with the Vatican. I have been to see the Pope several times. He and I agree on almost everything.”

“are you comfortable with Judaism?”
“Very comfortable,” answered ________. “I depend on a Jewish rabbi, Rabbi Tannenbaum in New York, constantly, theologically and spiritually in every way.”

(From an interview I watched the other night on DVD):

“God is calling a people out for himself. Among the Muslim, Buddist, Hindu, all people, rather they know Christ or not. I believe they are saved.” (paraphrase)
 
Posted by hardcore (Member # 4492) on :
 
Hey all ...

Sorry I don't have a source on the "Janet Reno" quote. Someone sent a few quotes to me a while back and this was included. I haven't done anything with them, so never checked into them any further. Thanks for taking the time to do so.

Based on what you all are finding, it definitely seems suspect.

Too bad that the sentiment is pervasive in some circles, even if this particular quote is bogus.

I'll have to try and find another one for the thread.

Sorry for the bad info.!

hc
 
Posted by hardcore (Member # 4492) on :
 
Okay Soft Touch - this one's for you:

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
I apologize too... here is the quote that came from Tom Ridge:

"To those Americans who would lash out at your fellow citizens, simply because they worship differently, or dress differently, or look differently than you, there is one word for such behavior: terrorism." (Governor Tom Ridge, in his farewell address to the State Legislature as Pennsylvania Governor, before taking up his new position at the White House as Director of Homeland Security.)
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by hardcore:
Hey all ...

Sorry I don't have a source on the "Janet Reno" quote. Someone sent a few quotes to me a while back and this was included. I haven't done anything with them, so never checked into them any further. Thanks for taking the time to do so.

Based on what you all are finding, it definitely seems suspect.

Too bad that the sentiment is pervasive in some circles, even if this particular quote is bogus.

I'll have to try and find another one for the thread.

Sorry for the bad info.!

hc
I don't think it was bad info. That was on the DVD I watched from "Hope for America Ministry" which I got through the Cutting Edge. And I guess it was Reno... I thought he said it was Ridge, but then again my memory is nothing to count on!
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by hardcore:
Okay Soft Touch - this one's for you:

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
George Orwell
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
I'll try this one one more time LOL

Who Said These Things? (Exerpts from an interview)

Asked what he thought of Mormonism, Catholicism, and other such faiths, _______ responded, “Oh, I think I have a wonderful relationship with them.”

_________ was especially commendatory of Catholicism. He explained, “I am very comfortable with the Vatican. I have been to see the Pope several times. He and I agree on almost everything.”

“are you comfortable with Judaism?”
“Very comfortable,” answered ________. “I depend on a Jewish rabbi, Rabbi Tannenbaum in New York, constantly, theologically and spiritually in every way.”

(From an interview I watched the other night on DVD):

“God is calling a people out for himself. Among the Muslim, Buddist, Hindu, all people, rather they know Christ or not. I believe they are saved.” (paraphrase)
 
Posted by hardcore (Member # 4492) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SoftTouch:
I'll try this one one more time LOL

Who Said These Things? (Exerpts from an interview)

Asked what he thought of Mormonism, Catholicism, and other such faiths, _______ responded, “Oh, I think I have a wonderful relationship with them.”

_________ was especially commendatory of Catholicism. He explained, “I am very comfortable with the Vatican. I have been to see the Pope several times. He and I agree on almost everything.”

“are you comfortable with Judaism?”
“Very comfortable,” answered ________. “I depend on a Jewish rabbi, Rabbi Tannenbaum in New York, constantly, theologically and spiritually in every way.”

(From an interview I watched the other night on DVD):

“God is calling a people out for himself. Among the Muslim, Buddist, Hindu, all people, rather they know Christ or not. I believe they are saved.” (paraphrase)
Billy Graham?
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
Unfortunately, Yes. Billy Graham

The first part was from an interview with Larry King. The second was an interview with Robert Schuller (which I watched a clip of that interview on that DVD I mentioned earlier)

The DVD is called "The Shocker" (and boy is it ever!) I got it through Cutting Edge Ministries.
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
People seem to be wondering about my motive for starting this thread. It's simple... To show that things are not always what they appear to be.
 
Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SoftTouch:
The DVD is called "The Shocker" (and boy is it ever!) I got it through Cutting Edge Ministries.
My opinion about Cutting Edge - [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by HisGrace:
quote:
Originally posted by SoftTouch:
The DVD is called "The Shocker" (and boy is it ever!) I got it through Cutting Edge Ministries.
My opinion about Cutting Edge - [Eek!] [Eek!]
Could you please explain your reason for this opinion?
 
Posted by hardcore (Member # 4492) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SoftTouch:
Unfortunately, Yes. Billy Graham
I almost didn't guess Graham because of the Rabbi comment. That one threw me off.

Sad indeed. And yet there are those who will still defend him.
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by hardcore:
I almost didn't guess Graham because of the Rabbi comment. That one threw me off.

Sad indeed. And yet there are those who will still defend him.
It's very hard to believe that such a strong man of God (as he was at one time) could have fallen so completely. I once thought he was the only Evangelist that satan couldn't touch. I was heartbroken to find out I was wrong. Even after I knew the truth, it was hard for me to see him say those words to Schuller (who himself is an Apostate teacher - it hurt for me to find that out too).

I'm sorry, because I know this is going to hurt some folks to read, but we have to KNOW that we can't put any human above God's Word. Sometimes it's painful to realize this [Frown]

We need to PRAY for these men, that God will open their eyes before it's too late.
 
Posted by whitesands777 (Member # 3424) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SoftTouch:
I apologize too... here is the quote that came from Tom Ridge:

"To those Americans who would lash out at your fellow citizens, simply because they worship differently, or dress differently, or look differently than you, there is one word for such behavior: terrorism." (Governor Tom Ridge, in his farewell address to the State Legislature as Pennsylvania Governor, before taking up his new position at the White House as Director of Homeland Security.)
I wonder what he means by lashing out ? Could speaking out about false religions the same as lashing out?


Did Bush appoint Tom Ridge ?

The whole homeland security thing is creepy...It seems like it's a noose being so slowly tightened that by the time it's snug around the neck the victim doesn't realize it's there.
 
Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
I think that most of us under estimate the enemy's ability to deceive.

As to the Reno quote: Reno might not have said it, but I do believe the day is coming when someone will.

Deb, I am very glad to hear your DVD was not spreading this as something Ridge said, but what ridge said is scary enough because lashing out can be a lot of things. My husband and I were talking the other day and he said you know, today we could not have a boston tea party, and I thought boy oh boy is that the truth, you would be met with the national guard and heaven knows who else in armored vehicles with guns cocked.

What is sad is that this kind of consideration is certainly not given to Christianity in Muslim nations. And what about religions that practice things that we would consider human rights issues? What if in this country people began stoning women caught in adultery? Would we be terrorsits to lash out in protest against them? Worship differently is a broad broad concept! What of pagans that worship by sacrificing animals, can we not lash out against these things without being labled a terrorist. I have nothing against my neighbor, but if I come home one day to find an altar in his yard with a flesh sacrifice on it, I just might lash out with my voice if nothing else!
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
Therein lies the rub... just what IS the definition of "lashing out"? It's a broad term. From what I've been reading, all the laws that have been implemented (or are on the table) after 9/11 were written with a broad brush. Allowing for broad interpretation. Apparently, this was done on purpose.

Look at Canada now with their Hate Speach thing. They've declared the Bible as Hate Speach because it speaks against (lashes out against) homosexual lifestyles...

I see troubled times coming upon America.
 
Posted by hardcore (Member # 4492) on :
 
quote:
Originally postd by Soft Touch:
I'm sorry, because I know this is going to hurt some folks to read, but we have to KNOW that we can't put any human above God's Word.
I think you hit the nail right on the head with this ST. There are some Christians who unwittingly hold men up too high. And as you said, it is difficult to come to grips with the truth when one of our favorites is falling.

My husband and I have always joked that if Charles Stanley starts preaching heresy, we're going to hang it up, 'cause we'll know the end is near.
 
Posted by hardcore (Member # 4492) on :
 
quote:
whitesands777 originally posted:
The whole homeland security thing is creepy...It seems like it's a noose being so slowly tightened that by the time it's snug around the neck the victim doesn't realize it's there.
This reminds me of another quote. Think Patriot Act. It hits a little too close to home in America today.

Who said this?

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

hc
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by hardcore:
Who said this?

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin
 
Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SoftTouch:
quote:
Originally posted by HisGrace:
quote:
Originally posted by SoftTouch:
The DVD is called "The Shocker" (and boy is it ever!) I got it through Cutting Edge Ministries.
My opinion about Cutting Edge - [Eek!] [Eek!]
Could you please explain your reason for this opinion?
As I quoted in another thread -

"How reliable is the information on this cutting edge site and others like it??"

"Our Goal - (Cuttingedge)
-To explain the goals and aspirations of the New World Order
-To explain how its implementation will affect the average American citizen and family.
-To show how families are being influenced now, before we actually move into this system. seen and heard.
The most exciting aspect of our ministry is that through our teaching process, we show you that all of the New World Order plans, when completed, will fulfill dozens of Bible prophecies to the letter!"

Quote from Religious Counterfeits -
Our site provides the public with very unique and comprehensive information regarding the New World Order and its ultimate implication upon Society. We believe in the Bible as God's guide book for life and realize that in it we are told beforehand of some very startling and momentous events which are to take place upon planet earth before the second coming of Christ. As we witness the unfolding of these events, it is our conviction that we are guided by God to reveal the meaning of and broad-ranging effects of them to our fellow man.

Whether you are a Christian who already has some knowledge of the New Age Movement and New World Order, or one who has limited or no knowledge of these things... we believe that after reading the articles on our site you will come away benefited by having taken the time to do so. In all probability you will begin view the things that you see going on in the world around you in a totally different way than you ever had before.
Our Statement of Faith -Our Purpose
There are several reasons for our site's existence:

We want to reveal the true plans of those who are endeavoring to implement the New World Order in our Society.
To wake people up so that they will realize what is going on do that they may protect themselves from those who would harm both their spirituality and their religious liberty under the guise of "goodwill".
We want to provide the public with information of how this "New Age Thinking" is permeating nearly every aspect of society today. Also we seek to educate others so that they will be armed with the information they need to detect this "new thinking" and avoid absorbing it into their own way of thinking."


http://www.religiouscounterfeits.org/
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
His Grace,

I've never been to the site "Religious Counterfits" (that I know of). But please tell me what it is you find wrong with those who see what's going on (those who have done the research) showing the rest of us? Have you not read:

quote:
Daniel 11:32And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

33And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.


You still haven't said what you think is Wrong with The Cutting Edge Ministry.
 
Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 
New Age and New World Order certainly set off alarm bells for me.
 
Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 
Want to know who made the following quotes -
1. When you lose, don't lose the lesson.
2. Follow the three Rs: Respect for self, respect
for others, and
responsibility for all your actions.
3. Don't let a little dispute injure a great
friendship.
4. When you realize you've made a mistake, take
immediate steps to correct it.

It was the Dalai Lama - We can learn much from other faiths, but that doesn't mean that we have to embrace their doctrines.

Billy Graham is showing maturity as a Christian by showing unconditional love towards the Muslims, Jews, Catholics etc. I don't believe for a second that he is willing to accept their core doctrines.

Isn't that how Jesus would treat everyone no matter what their beliefs?? He was admonished for mingling with the publicans and sinners. He did it in order to save souls. Do you ever think that maybe Billy Graham's witness may bring many of these unbelievers to Christ?
 
Posted by hardcore (Member # 4492) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by His Grace:
It was the Dalai Lama - We can learn much from other faiths, but that doesn't mean that we have to embrace their doctrines.
I don't need to learn anything from other faiths. My bible has all I need. Learn about them, maybe; but not learn from them.

quote:
His Grace:
Billy Graham is showing maturity as a Christian by showing unconditional love towards the Muslims, Jews, Catholics etc. I don't believe for a second that he is willing to accept their core doctrines.
Mature Christians don't say that you can get to heaven without Jesus. He has been compromising his faith for some time now. You are in denial.
 
Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by hardcore:
Referring to Billy Graham -
Mature Christians don't say that you can get to heaven without Jesus. He has been compromising his faith for some time now. You are in denial.
That is a downright lie. I have not heard any preacher repeat on TV more than him words to the effect. "Ye must be born again."

Once again, I wish members would post remarks from the individual's own site, rather giving us second-hand information. Please show me a Billy Graham site that says this.

BTW hardcore I am not calling you a liar. You just have been the wrong information.
 
Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 
More empty gobbly-goop by the Cutting Edge "Ministries" titled- What is a Fundamentalist Christian and Why are they being Reviled by other Christians.?"

The problem with fundamentalism is not that fundamentalists put God first. The problem is that they do not put God first. They put a particular simplistic, limited, human understanding of God above all else. In most cases the fundamentalist understanding of God's will for mankind is that God wants things to be the way they used to be. God's laws are the ones we were taught since we were young. Fundamentalists then become neither Christian or Islam but rather defenders of the culture, dedicated to the preservation of "all we hold dear." In this regard, Christian fundamentalists are a lot more like the Pharisees than they are like Christ. Christ was a cultural and social revolutionary who disregarded the conventions of polite society, broke the religious laws regularly, associated with the "wrong crowd," and generally challenged the emptiness and superficiality of societies traditions and beliefs. Christ was crucified, at least partly, for being a modernist and an ethical relativist. If Christ came to live among us in the 21'st century, the fundamentalists would have him crucified again, not because they hate Christ, but because they would not recognize him.
 
Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :
 
Who are fundamentalists? How do I know if I am one?
betty
 
Posted by MySavingGrace (Member # 4697) on :
 
quote:
My point was that many voted for President Bush because they thought he was a Christian, but just because someone says there are does not mean they will.
I think Bush could believe he is a Chrsitian and doing right with God. Not to be mean to Bush but he did use a lot of drugs in his past. It could alter his head too. He could really think God tells him to go to war with Iraq. And, maybe he did tell him to take action with Iraq and Bush interpreted differntly. He might even go to church or mass or whatever regularly. He may honestly feel that he is diong the right thing. If he believes in God he may feel he is a "Man of God" doing the right thing. Or that since he's God's child he is right about his decisions etc

My main objection to Bush is more his invovlement with skull and bones society. I dont knwo much on them but I think someone named prescott bush was in it and george bush sr was in it too. Very dark occult like from what I'm read. Not sure if they sacrifice people but I have a feeling its dark. There was a movie with paul walker about the society. This also doesn't mean that its all true of what they do. But, I"m sure some things are. They just named it i think "the skulls"

Even if he feels he is a christian, even if he prays with his heart and means what he prays. and than means what he says when he speaks about things, I still don't seem him as fully christian. Unless he's cut all ties with that scretive society, then I can't consider him a full christian. Maybe hes full but not true. Again I just took a sleeping pill cause I need some sleep so excuse my possible bad typing and how i phrase things.


with Bush and Hitler:
Maybe Hitler honestly felt what he did was what God would want. I have a feeling there were things in his past and of people he knew with a few exceptions to how jewish people are that hurt them. they may not of even directly or intentionally done it I'm sure If I reserched what his parents and other family were doing and did for a living i'd understand more. The Jewish were very successful in banking and business. I think they've been even in scriptures as such.

the thing that was wrong with Hitler wasn't so much hate as fear to me. He may have "hated" them but he must have feared them too. There was a holocaust in the mideval days i hitnk in 1349 It was even called a holocaust. not sure if there were concentratoin camps. I think they were just burned right then and killed. I've heard that those who converted to christianity and were baptized got saved. still, it was a horrifying experience. I feel kinda worse than with Hitler in a way. They didnt even get the chance to live thorugh camps once being liberated.

I do believe hitler feared them more than hated. It may of been hate on the outside but fear within. His propaganda was to make people first know his propaganda about things. they were probably very desperate for money too and when peole are desperate they are weakened. He maid people lots of promises. and he actually came through with bettering the economy! This gained their following. And as the Nasi's got more powerful, he turned people to fear the jewish. he used the gestapo to make the jewish afraid but also others. Especialy if they had jewish people hidden with them. Especially if that meant they though being non jewish might go.

Nazism grew stronger by people funding it politically and with money etc. "good" people who believed in God supported him until it was too late. And they were too scared. Now they feared the Nazis. Probably nated them too in time. They were in fear of everything.

The reason Hitler can't claim anythignwith this speech is becasue not only did he kill people but Jewish people. God's children are the Jewish. He may also feel that since Jewish don't view Jesus as their saviour, that they are wrong though and he is right. He forgets its the same God either way. And, if he honestly believed in God, killing people at all let alone God's chosen people, that is wrong. He may of also done lots of drugs. I have a feeling he was manic and psychizophrenic or borderline disability.

Nazism would of proabbly gotten started and been big anyay even without him. maybe not as big but he didnt start their Idea he jsut became their leader and knew the propaganda. But, he probably also was an extream idealist in he tehologies and theories.

I'm leaning more towards Hitler wasn't do any of this for good etc. I don't think bush is doing things for good. But, in his mind he may be. This doesn't mean its not Satan misleading him. Satan is great at dissillusioning people too.


the first quote on the top of the board I thought was Bush. I see many similarities in things with them. But, thats comparing one dictator to another. And, if you want I can find the quote Bush actually said about him being a dictator etc.

But, the fact Hitler's mom or aunt was Jewish makes it more messed up. Maybe he disliked Jewish all cause of her who knows. And, I dont know if he really killed himself. or if he was told if he doesnt someone else will very soon theyre coming to do it etc and it'll make things even worse for our declining system.


excuse me if I made no sense thouogh due to the sleeping pill.
 
Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
quote:
It was the Dalai Lama - We can learn much from other faiths, but that doesn't mean that we have to embrace their doctrines.
Hi: I was curious as to how you see that this is in agreement with this below? Know that I have no intention of debating; this is a sincere request to understand how you reconcile or find harmony in this thought I quoted and these scriptures. Thanks in advance for your reply.

Jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen,

Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Jeremiah 8:9 The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?

1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
 
Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 
HFHS, if I hadn't told anyone who made these quotes, (Dalai Lama) you would have been reminded that these would be great lessons to be learned.

The scriptures you quoted would apply if I studied their philosophy and delved into their teachings, and that certainly is not what I am saying. BTW, I also believe that is not Billy Graham's intent either.

God loves the Dalai Lama just as much as he loves anyone, and he is no respecter of persons. There is no way I would practise Buddhism. but when I see how dedicated someone like the Dalai Lama and others of different religions are, it should put us to shame.
 
Posted by hardcore (Member # 4492) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by HisGrace:
quote:
Originally posted by hardcore:
Referring to Billy Graham -
Mature Christians don't say that you can get to heaven without Jesus. He has been compromising his faith for some time now. You are in denial.
That is a downright lie. I have not heard any preacher repeat on TV more than him words to the effect. "Ye must be born again."

Once again, I wish members would post remarks from the individual's own site, rather giving us second-hand information. Please show me a Billy Graham site that says this.

BTW hardcore I am not calling you a liar. You just have been the wrong information.
His Grace,

With all due respect, Billy Graham's comments are on record in many, many, many interviews; both in written publications and on-camera - including in my own hometown when he was here for a crusade. All of his interviews do not go on his website.

He has said many things contrary to scriptural teaching and endorsed many others who are downright heretical. Of course these comments aren't on his website. The "it's not on the website" argument is one of the weakest given for him and other false teachers as well.

If Satan had a website do you think he would announce his true intent in his mission statement? Of course I am not calling Graham Satan, but hopefully you see my point. Sorry, but the website argument doesn't wash.

If you want to continue to ignore the truth, on this and other issues, that's fine. But please don't insist that things aren't true just because you don't want to believe them.

If you can't handle some of the stuff that's discussed here, how in the world are you going to deal with the increased deception to come? I'm afraid you and many others are going to be in for a seriously rude awakening one day. This stuff is nothing compared to what lies ahead.
 
Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
Thank you for your reply HisGrace.
 
Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
This is in no way intended to be offensive to you HisGrace, but I am not able to let go your last statement that said, if I had not known that these were said by the Dali Lama, I would have been reminded that they are great lessons to be learned.

I post this because I want to show that there is a different perspective.

See, I did not know these were the words of the Dali Lama, infact, I recognized the quote on repspect or self, others and responsibility as being from the code of chivalry.

I also do not see them as "great lessons"; and I would not have no matter who said them; I would like to show why:

1. When you lose, don't lose the lesson.

The scripture teaches that if we walk in the spirit and not the flesh, it is impossible for us to lose, because even when it looks like we have lost, we have not because God is working ALL things for our good and his glory if we are one who loves him and is called according to his purpose. So for me, this statement is nonsensical. If my prayer and my heart's desire is to live my life squarely in the path of his perfect, and not his permissive, but his perfect will, then lose is not something that can happen to me.

2. Follow the three Rs: Respect for self, respect
for others, and responsibility for all your actions.

This one as I have said, I know from the code of Chivalry, having been involved The Society for Creative Anachronism.

From a Biblical wordview, this is incorrect. Respect is to give attention, notice, acceptance, honor to someone.

The Bible says God is not a respector of persons and that we are not to give respect to persons.

In our unregenerate state we ourselves are worthy of no respect; in our re-generate state HE who is in us is the one worthy of respect. The only respect that I belive that we can give to another human being is the respect of God that is in them.

The Bible does not teach us to give respect to self or to others but to give love. Sometimes giving love can appear to be very disrespectful, as when Jesus called the Pharisee hypocrites or vipers, or when he turned the tables over in the temple.

Lastly, any responsibility for our actions that does not lead us to the cross is not responsibility. Taking responsibility for our actions requires us to humble ourselves enough to go to God in repentence or it is not taking responsibility at all.

3. Don't let a little dispute injure a great
friendship.

I think that this depends entirely on what the dispute is about. And, apart from Christ, we have no friendship because there is no fellowship between light and darkness.

4. When you realize you've made a mistake, take
immediate steps to correct it.

David realized he made a mistake with Bathsheba and set about taking immediate steps to correct his mistake. This resulted in the murder of Bathsheba's husband and a curse upon David's house. When we realize that we have made a mistake the thing to is repent! Then go to God in 1.) confession of our sin, and 2.) prayer to seek what HE would have us do if anything.

So, for me these statements were to broad and left to much room for something other than Christ, for me to have felt that they were "great lessons" to learn.


Lastly:

quote:
The scriptures you quoted would apply if I studied their philosophy and delved into their teachings, and that certainly is not what I am saying.
I wanted to let you know that I do appreciate seeing how you look at this.

For me, this would not work, because my worldview is such that the scripture tells me that God has said not to learn their philosophies and teaching and yet it still tells me these things about what is not of God. So whether I know the first thing about Buddhism, I know that Buddhism is contrary to the Gospel of Christ and thus is anti christ and any wisdom that a Buddhist has is not of God and that Satan does come as an angel of light. (Light - Wisdom, knowledge, understanding - godliness)

If theres is no fellowship of light with darkness, then all that is not light is darkness.

Again, I do not post any of this to contend with you or try and debate; I post only to show that there are different perspectives.

Sometimes I think it is more enlightening - we can have more understanding - if we know why one believes what they believe than it is to know what they believe. It helps each of us to not judge things unjustly.
 
Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by hardcore:

HisGRace,With all due respect, Billy Graham's comments are on record in many, many, many interviews; both in written publications and on-camera -
He has said many things contrary to scriptural teaching and endorsed many others who are downright heretical. Of course these comments aren't on his website. The "it's not on the website" argument is one of the weakest given for him and other false teachers as well.
Endless garbage has been printed about powerful men of God on this Board, all from websites, and if it is second-hand information, it doesn't wash with me either.

You said "Billy Graham's comments are on record in many, many, many interviews; both in written publications and on-camera "

There are many Billy Graham websites; if he has given many, many, many interviews both written and on camera, why would it be such a big secret to keep such remarks off of a website.

When I made this remark on this Board about another high-profile evangelist I was given the exact same excuse from someone else. You know why you don't have an answer? It's because you can't provide the proof.
 
Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by helpforhomeschoolers:

I also do not see them as "great lessons"; and I would not have no matter who said them;
I am a quote addict. Maybe I am naive, but I don't care who the quote is from, Mother Teresa, a Chinese Proverb, Einstein, I manage to look past the person and grasp the meat of what they are saying.

Maybe we don't always learn "great lessons," but quotes can be very uplifting.
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
The reason you all haven't heard from me is because I've had ANOTHER Fatal Computer Crash. My laptop is Toast (along with all my documentation - Again!). I'm on Ian's computer right now, so I won't be able to 'keep up' as my time using his computer is very limited.

HisGrace,

First, I SAW that interview with Graham with my own Eyes and heard his words with my own Ears! I can not 'quote' a video clip - sorry.

Second, you 'seemed' to quote something from The Cutting Edge Ministry on Fundamental Christians... but you didn't post a link back so anyone could check the source document. I have no idea what context that statement was made in at all. The people who run that ministry are Independent, Fundamental Baptists, so I find that statement very odd and suspect.

Lastly, I am not posting 'garbage' (as you've said), I am posting Real Quotes and Real Information to HOPEFULLY wake a few people up (as Hardcore said). If you don't want to wake up, then there's nothing I can do about that. But you don't have to accuse me of posting lies because I'm not.

We need to Stop putting People above God's Word. We need to let go of any alligence that is not in accord with God's Word. If we don't wake up now... we're in for a Very Rude awakening! Are you ready?
 
Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 
Soft Touch, as requested from the Cutting Edge

Cutting Edge
 
Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by HisGrace:
Soft Touch, as requested from the Cutting Edge

Cutting Edge
quote:
Originally posted by HisGrace:
More empty gobbly-goop by the Cutting Edge "Ministries" titled- What is a Fundamentalist Christian and Why are they being Reviled by other Christians.?"

The problem with fundamentalism is not that fundamentalists put God first. The problem is that they do not put God first. They put a particular simplistic, limited, human understanding of God above all else. In most cases the fundamentalist understanding of God's will for mankind is that God wants things to be the way they used to be. God's laws are the ones we were taught since we were young. Fundamentalists then become neither Christian or Islam but rather defenders of the culture, dedicated to the preservation of "all we hold dear." In this regard, Christian fundamentalists are a lot more like the Pharisees than they are like Christ. Christ was a cultural and social revolutionary who disregarded the conventions of polite society, broke the religious laws regularly, associated with the "wrong crowd," and generally challenged the emptiness and superficiality of societies traditions and beliefs. Christ was crucified, at least partly, for being a modernist and an ethical relativist. If Christ came to live among us in the 21'st century, the fundamentalists would have him crucified again, not because they hate Christ, but because they would not recognize him.
This Article is an Examination of someone else opinion of Fundamentalism. There are two other articles being cited from in this paper. If you had read the entire article, you would have seen this. The portion you quoted above (on the original article) is in BLUE Lettering… Everything in BLUE comes from the article being examined by The Cutting Edge (see quote below):

quote:
So with this background information in mind, we will examine an Internet article entitled, "What Is Fundamentalism And Why Is It So Dangerous?", by Dr. Nielson. I will show the original text in blue and my comments in regular black font. (Due to length and redundancy of content, a few comments near the end were omitted.)
Everything in RED Lettering are statements made by the Cutting Edge writer or quotes of Scripture. The Below quote is an example of one of the Cutting Edge’s comments:

quote:
The point we intend to emphasize is that a true Fundamentalist is one who accepts the Bible as being the sole authority in matters of faith and practice and believes, with apology to none, that it is "the divinely and verbally inspired, inerrant, and authoritative Word of God."
Most of the writers words are in black lettering (except where he quotes the first article and it’s plainly pointed out). The Red lettering are important points or scripture references.

So, what you ‘quoted’ as coming from The Cutting Edge Ministry, in fact, Did Not. It was a quote from another persons article that they were rebuffing.

THIS is the Cutting Edge's Description of what a True Fundamentalist is:

a true Fundamentalist is one who accepts the Bible as being the sole authority in matters of faith and practice and believes, with apology to none, that it is "the divinely and verbally inspired, inerrant, and authoritative Word of God."
 
Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
quote:
a true Fundamentalist is one who accepts the Bible as being the sole authority in matters of faith and practice and believes, with apology to none, that it is "the divinely and verbally inspired, inerrant, and authoritative Word of God."
I guess that I are one!
 
Posted by whitesands777 (Member # 3424) on :
 
I don't listen to Billy Graham but if he does say things that aren't scriptural IMHO he hasn't done it with evil intentions or a hidden agenda...When this happens from a well meaning person it seems like they may have gone the compromise route because of pressure.

The bad part is that it accomplishes the agenda of the enemy and has detrimental affects...

satan's most powerful tool is being so very subtle that it begins the process of the slippery slope. Like the church gowth movement and things of that sort.

I can imagine roman catholicism starting off that way, with compromise and subtle doctine changes till you get what we have today.
 
Posted by peh (Member # 4446) on :
 
Who said this?

"There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, in the end, "Thy will be done."'
 
Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
I believe it was C S Lewis, was it not?
 
Posted by peh (Member # 4446) on :
 
Dead on!
 




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