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Posted by Carol Swenson (Member # 6929) on :
 
I think it's wonderful when we can join with millions of others to pray for our country. I would not want to see this freedom of religion destroyed by atheists.

Congress declared a National Day of Prayer in 1952. The National Day of Prayer Task Force (NDPTF), whose mission is to "publicize and preserve America's Christian heritage," launched a "Save the National Day of Prayer" campaign after Judge Barbara Crabb, a federal judge in Madison, Wis., issued a ruling declaring that the National Day of Prayer is unconstitutional.

But the bigger problem, as I see it, is that the National Day of Prayer is multifaith, embracing Islam and all.
 

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Posted by byfaith (Member # 8061) on :
 
Prayer can be done with or without the government's consent.

I don't fret over "losing" a right to a National day of prayer.

It is a funny thing really, as Christ instructed to go pray in your closet where you are not seen by others.
 

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Posted by becauseHElives (Member # 87) on :
 
Pray the Church awake from its slumber and get out of bed with the world.

we are living in a world where Yahshua and His true follower are being rejected on every level of societies....

True believers are drawing closer to the Lord...while the false church embraces the whole world system through evangelicalism of the world council of churches.

2 Corinthians 6
14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols (Easter and Christ-mass) ? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
 

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Posted by byfaith (Member # 8061) on :
 
I agree becausehelives, this is a time that the churches are really holding hands with the world on so many issues and catering.

~ better to be , rather than to seem ~
 

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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :
 
Friday, May 7, 2010

To: Friends & Supporters

From: Gary L. Bauer


National Day of Prayer

Yesterday, hundreds of people, including members of Congress, met on Capitol Hill to observe the National Day of Prayer. Jim and Shirley Dobson chaired the event. We prayed for America, for each branch of government and for the American military.

The keynote address was delivered by Reverend Franklin Graham, who had been disinvited from speaking at the Pentagon, allegedly because he has on occasion been critical of Islam’s hostility to women and to freedom of religion. (His son, Captain Edward Graham, is currently serving in his fourth tour in Afghanistan.) Reverend Graham’s message was powerful and many in the room were moved to tears by his plea that America turn back to God.

By the way, even though the legislative and judicial branches of government were represented, the Obama Administration failed to send a representative to the event.
 

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Posted by Betty Louise (Member # 7175) on :
 
By the way, even though the legislative and judicial branches of government were represented, the Obama Administration failed to send a representative to the event.

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That is because he is Muslim.
betty
 

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Posted by Carol Swenson (Member # 6929) on :
 
WildB
 

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Posted by Eden (Member # 5728) on :
 
byfaith wrote

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Prayer can be done with or without the government's consent.

I don't fret over "losing" a right to a National day of prayer.

It is a funny thing really, as Christ instructed to go pray in your closet where you are not seen by others.

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byfaith wrote

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Prayer can be done with or without the government's consent.

I don't fret over "losing" a right to a National day of prayer.

It is a funny thing really, as Christ instructed to go pray in your closet where you are not seen by others.

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Exactly, I like the way you think, byfaith.

And it's a good thing that the founding fathers proclaimed that "no one religion shall be made into the state religion", so that "it all remains voluntary".

There is only one kind of love, and that is voluntary love. And we can pray any time of the day, and on any day, and who will know it? No one needs to know it. I pray every day because I need help from God to guide me every day and to overcome life's obstacles with God's favor.

For all I care they can abolish National Prayer Day any time, because the Devil likes National Prayer Day. Why? Because that leaves the impression for people who don't normally pray that "praying one day out of the year is going to help".

God knows who believes in Him, so a one-time prayer by an otherwise barely believing person is not going to be honored by God anyway. Jesus knows His sheep and He is not fooled by one-time National Prayer Day. Better to abolish it, so we can "pray in secret in our closet", as byfaith said.

love, Eden

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I expected a response like this from the specular board that I witness on, not here.

Standing in front of City Hall with other born again believers praying for ones Nation is not the same as one standing in front of the Temples entrance praying to be seen how religious you are. You have missed what Christ was really teaching.

Your faith is so very shallow.

Jesus also said where 2 or more are gathered in my name there I am. So we all got in our mobile closets not to be see, but herd for our Nations sake.

Did not Danial open up his windows to pray even after he knew that the Law said he would be making a lions den trip?

When Davids own men were going to stone him because all their families had been kidnapped because of one of his decisions did he go into his closet? No he did not!

1Sam.30

[6] And David was greatly distressed; for the people spake of stoning him, because the soul of all the people was grieved, every man for his sons and for his daughters: but David encouraged himself in the LORD his God.

Doesn't sound like a man that ran off into a closet to me.

You closet Christians greatly trouble me.

Repent.
 

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Posted by Carol Swenson (Member # 6929) on :
 
God calls forth His people to come out of obscurity into the light so that we can each become the light to the world that we are called to be. Jesus says:

“You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.” (Matthew 5:14-16)

A city that is set on a hill cannot be obscure. So also when the light of Jesus is shinning through you, no longer will you be obscure. A light can never be obscure unless it stops being a light.
 

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Posted by byfaith (Member # 8061) on :
 
So, if I don't get upset about our country holding up a national day of prayer (to the god of one's choice mind you) I am now a closet christian?

The National Day of Prayer is for ALL religions, why would this make me a lesser diligent follower of Christ?

I guess I should repent for not following the prayer time set aside that all the people regardless of the god they pray to, shame on me indeed.
 

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Posted by Betty Louise (Member # 7175) on :
 
No, shame on you, for taking so lightly our freedoms slipping away little by little. Shame on you for joking about such a serious subject. Our Country is in grave danger and to make fun of the desire of Americans who want to see our Country to come together in prayer, is sad.
There will come a day when there will be no closet Christians. We will have to stand up for the truth of God's Word and be counted.
betty
 

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Posted by byfaith (Member # 8061) on :
 

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No, shame on you, for taking so lightly our freedoms slipping away little by little. Shame on you for joking about such a serious subject. Our Country is in grave danger and to make fun of the desire of Americans who want to see our Country to come together in prayer, is sad.
There will come a day when there will be no closet Christians. We will have to stand up for the truth of God's Word and be counted.
betty

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Sorry to ruffle your easily ruffled feathers.


I DO NOT understand your take on this at all....you have no idea how we as a country ARE NOT a Christian country.
Do you not read Revelations? The end is already written, and if you think America's freedoms are in danger, you have seen nothing yet.

**and By the way, I am no closet Christian as you say** because I said something about prayers done in secret.

My point is this- Let them take the National day of praying to the god/gods of your choice day, YOU can still pray as per usual...
 

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Posted by Carol Swenson (Member # 6929) on :
 
When our freedom is gone, then the only way anyone will be able to pray in secret is by renouncing Christ in public.
 

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Posted by byfaith (Member # 8061) on :
 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/prayerday.asp
 

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Posted by byfaith (Member # 8061) on :
 

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Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
When our freedom is gone, then the only way anyone will be able to pray in secret is by renouncing Christ in public.

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There are Christians all over the world that have no freedom...does that change the fact they are Christians? No.
So while I understand that you are saying that it is a hard pressed time ahead of us if and when we lose our freedom to express our beliefs in public...I am saying that it is going to happen, nothing you can do to stop it.

The end is written. We will be persecuted.
 

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Posted by Carol Swenson (Member # 6929) on :
 
And so...the sooner the better?
 

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Posted by byfaith (Member # 8061) on :
 
sigh.....no that is not my feeling.

God is in charge, right? His time.

He won't let anything happen but in the order it is supposed to.
 

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Posted by Carol Swenson (Member # 6929) on :
 
I agree with that!!!

And we know that when a nation full of Christians pray, God will answer.
 

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Posted by byfaith (Member # 8061) on :
 
Yes! that is true, regardless of whether they do it on a certain declared day

WE do need to pray, I agree! And we need to pray for strength to deal with what we or our children will have to deal with.


 

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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :
 
You know I looked real hard for some of these other religions and other god followers in front of the Court house the 6th and all I seen was Born again Spirit FILLED! SPIRIT LED! AMERICANS!
 

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Posted by Carol Swenson (Member # 6929) on :
 
Hey WildB!

Let me add one last thing.

It's true we can all pray individually, and indeed we should. But that isn't the same as when millions of us all pray together on the same day for the same thing - for our country.

I can't think of a better way to organize that than to have a National Day of Prayer.
 

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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :
 
It was good I was up front today at City hall in Lapeer @ 6:00 because my Guidon training came in handy.

During the National Anthem the wind blew over the Young Marines Company Flag!

As I was uncovered and at attention I quickly recovered and ran forward and re-posted it and came to a parade rest till the National Anthem was over then quietly returned to the hundreds who had gathered.


NATIONAL DAY of PRAYER LAPEER COUNTY

May 6,2010 59th Annual Observance

Color Guard Flag Presentation.... Lapeer County Young Marines

National Anthem... Taylor Weir MapleGrove Church

Pledge of Allegiance.....Retired Snior Master Sergeant Jake Little US Air Force

Welcome @ Opening Prayer.... Pastor Gary Gillim MapleGrove Church

America the Beautiful....sang by Liz Gillim

Scripture Reading, Psalm 91:1-4...Tim Martin New Life Christian Fellowship

Quote from John Hancock.....Kevin Daley MI State Representative

Scripture Reading, 1 Timothy 2:1-4.......Pastor Jim Lorch Hunters Creek Community Church

Quote from Samuel Adams... Byron Konchub Lapeer County Prosecuting Attorney

Scripture Reading,Deuteronomy 4:30-31...Pastor Jeff Wells Faith Christian Family Church

Quote from James Buchanan...Sheriff Ron Kalanquin

Quote from Continental Congress on June 12,1775...Commissioner Lenny Schneider District #4

Scripture Reading,Psalm 31:24 and Psalm 130:5 Pastor Dan Burger Lapeer Assembly of God

Small Group Prayer

Amazing Grace... sang by Liz Gillim

Quote from Rober E. Lee..... Rev. Dr. Lisa Saliga


Qute from Samuel Adams, 1794.... Pastor Don Hadley

Quote from Francis Scoot Key... Pastor Anthoney Kinsler

Scripture Reading, 1 Samuel 43:1-2...Pastor Gerald Sims

Quote from Pedsident George Washington, 1784... Pastor Keith Atwood

Invitation to Children.... Elizabeth Gillim

"Pray"..... Mary Alessi

Closing Prayer..... Pastor Gary Gillim
 

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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :
 

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Hey WildB!

Let me add one last thing.

It's true we can all pray individually, and indeed we should. But that isn't the same as when millions of us all pray together on the same day for the same thing - for our country.

I can't think of a better way to organize that than to have a National Day of Prayer.

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Originally posted by WildB:
You know I looked real hard for some of these other religions and other god followers in front of the Court house the 6th and all I seen was Born again Spirit FILLED! SPIRIT LED! AMERICANS!

You are a closet professor of Christ. Even going as far as to post a snopes thing to support YOUR PRESIDENT.

You like fighting with the sisters I see well Im back.

Try me on for size.

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I posted a snoped link to clarify.
I suppose he is my president, although I did not vote for him.

I think you are missing the point wildb.

I am not fighting with anyone, are you? You have been calling me a name "closet christian" that my sir, is something someone who wants to start a fight would say.
 

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Posted by byfaith (Member # 8061) on :
 

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Originally posted by WildB:
You know I looked real hard for some of these other religions and other god followers in front of the Court house the 6th and all I seen was Born again Spirit FILLED! SPIRIT LED! AMERICANS!

You are a closet professor of Christ. Even going as far as to post a snopes thing to support YOUR PRESIDENT.

You like fighting with the sisters I see well Im back.

Try me on for size.

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I posted a snopes link to clarify that what was being reported is false.
I suppose he is my president, although I did not vote for him.

I think you are missing the point wildb.

I am not fighting with anyone, are you? You have been calling me a name "closet christian" that my sir, is something someone who wants to start a fight would say.

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Originally posted by byfaith:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/prayerday.asp

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Google this National Day Of Prayer

National Day of Prayer - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_Prayer

And stop hiding behind 1 verse taken out of context and mixing it with the PC thought of the day.
 

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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :
 
Prayer has always been used in this country for guidance, protection and strength-even before we were a nation or a handful of colonies. The Pilgrims at Plymouth relied on prayer during their first and darkest winter. Our founding fathers also called for prayer during the Constitutional Congress. In their eyes, our recently created nation and freedoms were a direct gift from God. And being a gift from God, there was only one way to insure protection-through prayer. None of these went to their closets....
 

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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :
 
Hum- no prayer at the White House this year because some Moztecs that work at the PENTAGON complained?

Yet look at who Humbles himself in a Moztec nation for the camera to feed the sheeple back home last year April?



US Presiden Barack Obama (2nd R) and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan (L) take off their shoes as they visit the Blue Mosque with Muslim clerics Emrullah Hatipoglu (R) and Mustafa Cagrici (L) in Istanbul, Turkey, 07 April 2009. US President Barack Obama has ended his European tour by saying he is committed to opening a "new chapter in American engagement" with the Muslim world. EPA/KAYHAN OZER
 

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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :
 

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Originally posted by WildB:
You know I looked real hard for some of these other religions and other god followers in front of the Court house the 6th and all I seen was Born again Spirit FILLED! SPIRIT LED! AMERICANS!

You are a closet professor of Christ. Even going as far as to post a snopes thing to support YOUR PRESIDENT.

You like fighting with the sisters I see well Im back.

Try me on for size.

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I posted a snoped link to clarify.
I suppose he is my president, although I did not vote for him.

I think you are missing the point wildb.

I am not fighting with anyone, are you? You have been calling me a name "closet christian" that my sir, is something someone who wants to start a fight would say.

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Congress declared a National Day of Prayer in 1952. The National Day of Prayer Task Force (NDPTF), whose mission is to "publicize and preserve America's Christian heritage."

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US Presiden Barack Obama (2nd R) and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan (L) take off their shoes as they visit the Blue Mosque with Muslim clerics Emrullah Hatipoglu (R) and Mustafa Cagrici (L) in Istanbul, Turkey, 07 April 2009. US President Barack Obama has ended his European tour by saying he is committed to opening a "new chapter in American engagement" with the Muslim world. EPA/KAYHAN OZER

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Originally posted by Eden:
Carol Swenson wrote

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Congress declared a National Day of Prayer in 1952. The National Day of Prayer Task Force (NDPTF), whose mission is to "publicize and preserve America's Christian heritage."

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In 1952, the USA was still mostly a "Christian" country, but to enact a National Day of Prayer to "publicize and preserve America's Christian heritage" is against the Constitution of the United States, whose founding fathers said that "the government shall NOT enact any one religion as the State religion".

A true Christian PRAYS EVERY DAY to His Lord and Savior anyway, so enacting a National Day of Prayer to "publicize and preserve America's Christian heritage" UNNECESSARILY RILES the other religions and UNNECESSARILY POINTS THE FINGER again at Christians (the Devil loves that!!!).

A true Christian does NOT need a National Day of Prayer; only LUKEWARM Christians may need to be reminded "once a year" that there IS a Lord and Savior in heaven.

love, Eden

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More PC sillyness,

Establishing a National day of prayer is not the establishment of a religion.

Better learn how to rightly divide.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,

REPENT!
 

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Posted by Eden (Member # 5728) on :
 
love, Eden
 

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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :
 

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Originally posted by Eden:
love, Eden

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Ed I have always wondered why you post behind a woman's name? Care to share.

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Originally posted by Eden:
So if Congress in 2010 enacted a SECOND National Day of Prayer, whose mission is to "publicize and preserve America's recent Moslem heritage", would that be okay? There are MILLIONS of moslems in American nowadays, don't they deserve a National Day of Prayer too?

It is therefore better that we have NO National Day of Prayer for ANY religious group.

love, Eden

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Originally posted by Eden:
WildB, in an especially low blow, wrote

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Ed I have always wondered why you post behind a woman's name? Care to share.

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The name originally referred to the "garden of Eden":

Genesis 2:8
And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Secondarily it referred to the "merchant of Eden":

Ezekiel 27:23
Haran, and Canneh, and Eden, the merchants of Sheba, Asshur, and Chilmad, were your merchants.

Thirdly, it referred to the "children of Eden who were in Telassar":

Isaiah 37:12
Have the gods of the nations delivered them which my fathers have destroyed, as Gozan, and Haran, and Rezeph, and the children of Eden which were in Telassar?

Fourthly, it referred to "the priests":

2 Chronicles 31:15
And next him were Eden, and Miniamin, and Jeshua, and Shemaiah, Amariah, and Shecaniah, in the cities of the priests, in their set office, to give to their brethren by courses, as well to the great as to the small.

"Eden", in the Bible, is always a MAN'S name.

Any other questions, WildB? Perhaps you'd like to explain why you would have the word wild in YOUR User ID?

love, Eden

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The Constitution grants freedom of Religion, NOT freedom FROM Religion.
betty

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Originally posted by Eden:
Betty Louise wrote

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The Constitution grants freedom of Religion, NOT freedom FROM Religion.
betty

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The Constitution provides that "the government shall NOT make any one religion the State religion". That way all people are free to choose Whom they want to believe in and worship.

And I'm confident that God loves it that way too bccause He only wants people to love Him VOLUNTARILY. Only VOLUNTARY love is True Love. MANDATORY love, as is found in Islam, is abuse: let us Christians not be guilty of that kind of "love".

Eden

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It's true that some members thought that Eden was a woman's name and they called me a sister instad of a brother. I really wasn't important to me at the time so I just let it go; I was more interested in the contents of the posts.

In any caase, my profile has always said that I was a male, so if any member had they done their due diligence, they would and should have known that I was a male.

The fact that some members thought that "Eden" was a female name does not excuse for failing to check my profile to make sure. I check every profile if I can't tell from the User ID itself, to see if it's a male or female.

I used the User ID "Eden" because it was easy to type for other members, and I was thinking of the garden of Eden when I chose it. And it turns out that all occurrences of "Eden" in the Bible are names for males.

But in retrospect I think that I should have said earlier on than I did that "Eden" was a brother and not a sister, eventhough my profile said I was a male. I never pretended to be a female; it's just that some members thought that "Eden is a female name", which it is not, and I just let it go because it was not important to me.

love, Eden

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Originally posted by Eden:
WildB, if it makes you feel any better, I'm a U.S. Army combat veteran.

love, Eden

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Whats the dates on your DD214?

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Originally posted by Eden:
WildB wrote to Eden

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Whats the dates on your DD214?

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I don't want to divulge that information on a public forum because both I and one of my family members have said some harsh things about I*s*l*a*m and I don't want some fanatic targeting my family. The less they know the safer it is; they have long memories and use long revenge periods to carry out their revenge.

love, Eden

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So is that why you try to pacify them by attacking this thread?

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So is that why you try to pacify them by attacking this thread?

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WildB wrote to Eden

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So is that why you try to pacify them by attacking this thread?

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My opposition to this thread has nothing to do with the fanatic Islmaics.

I am opposed to this thread because it violates the law of the land, and the LORD told us to obey the authorities of the land:

1 Timothy 2
1 I Exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior.

Here's my problem with this thread. In 1952, probably no one was bothered by it because Christianity was definitely the MAJORITY RELIGION in the USA.

But by 2010, there are many religions in the USA and the LEGAL and CONSTITUTIONAL fact is that IF we are going to have a National Day of Prayer to "preserve and remember our Christian heritage", then LEGALLY the Congress is ALSO OBLIGATED to establish a National Day of Prayer FOR EVERY RELIGION that is now, for better or worse, IN THE USA.

And that would both be an UNPRACTICAL and UNECONOMICAL thing to do in 2010. It is therefore MORE PRACTICAL and ECONOMICAL for the tax-payors' Congress to establish NO National Days of Prayer, and to let EACH MEMBER of each religion PRAY their hearts out to God, 24/7, 365 days a week, as they wish, and LEAVE IT UP TO GOD TO HONOR WHICHEVER PRAYER HE HONORS.

That's where I am coming from, WildB, it was okay to have a National Day of Prayer from 1952 to say 1990, but now by 2010 there are too many religions that legally would have to receive a Natioinal Day of Prayer of their own, to make it either practical or economical.

So WildB, to repeat what you said

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So is that why you try to pacify them by attacking this thread?

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I despise the Islamics and consider Islam to be Lucifer/Satan's counter-religion to try to usurp the Lord Jesus's throne to rule over the nations from Jerusalem.

Howbeit, I have to be "wise as serpents" and "not cast my pearls before swine", so I have at the same time to be careful that I give no information away about myself that could help those low-lives to track me down and hurt my family.

So, stand down, my man. Take it easy, okay?

love, Eden

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Originally posted by Eden:
Definition of "tripe" (second definition):

"informal, something of no value; rubbish."

I'll bet byfaith agrees with me, and probably some other members on this bbs agree with me?

love, Eden

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Care to put it to a vote!
 

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Posted by byfaith (Member # 8061) on :
 
I don't see disagreeing with a thread as an attack, in fact this happens on the majority of the threads.

We should be able to discuss this without name calling.

I start to turn away from the discussion once it reaches a level that someone starts going three kinds of crazy on others.

When we start shame-throwing and name calling remember, that none of us are perfect.

I love all of you, and usually glean something from most everyone here in different threads.

Regarding what I believe for this thread, my view isn't as offensive as you may perceive.

I don't hate this country, far from it...I don't wish it to lose every right and freedom.

I just believe that if we are in the last days... that should make me look more to God for comfort, rather than to man.

Man can do nothing that God has not set forth for him to do.

So I see this as God-is-in-control. Let us pray for each other so that the enemy does not have a foothold....he has certainly had ample opportunity in this thread.

Eden, I do understand and agree with what you were trying to get across.

wildb, I can respect that you are out there defending rights and freedoms, and that I don't disagree with. Just remember that love and kindness gets us further than rage ever will.

I myself have to remind myself of this daily!

I ask forgiveness if I have offended anyone of you, that was not my intention.
 

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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :
 

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Eden, I do understand and agree with what you were trying to get across.

wildb, I can respect that you are out there defending rights and freedoms, and that I don't disagree with. Just remember that love and kindness gets us further than rage ever will.

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Originally posted by Eden:
What SHOULD have happened is that Franklin Graham should have been allowed to pray for those in the Pentagon who wanted to be prayed for by a Protestant Christian preacher.

Then next the Catholic Christians should have been allowed to pray for those in the Pentagon who wanted to be prayed for by a Catholic Christian preacher.

Then next the Moslems should have been allowed to pray for those in the Pentagon who wanted to be prayed for by a Moslem preacher.

Then next the Ba'hai should have been allowed to pray for those in the Pentagon who wanted to be prayed for by a Ba'hai preacher.

Then next the Buddhists should have been allowed to pray for those in the Pentagon who wanted to be prayed for by a Buddhist preacher.

Then next the Hindus should have been allowed to pray for those in the Pentagon who wanted to be prayed for by a Hindu preacher.

And so on and so on ... so this could become somewhat impractical and also a waste of the Pentagon's time and the taxpayor's money, since under the Constitution, EVERY religion in the USA has a right to do "its share" of preaching to the Pentagon.

However, the reality is that probably NOT ALL of the religions in the world (I've only named the most prominent ones) would want to pray at the Pentagon, so in this case, the Moslems simply should have asked to have THEIR TURN to pray at the Pentagon too (and in that case, [all the Christians at the Pentagon should have boycotted the Moslem prayer session or for that matter the Christians should have boycotted ALL the nonChristian prayer sessions).

love, Eden

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I thought you said you were a combat vet?

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I thought you said you were a combat vet?

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I am a bornagain Christian saved by the blood of Jesus and I'm not just a combat veteran but a combat veteran decorated with a bronze star.

So please have a little more respect for me. As Christians we should be nicer to each other than people out there in the world, but sadly that is often not the case. Stand down ...

love, Eden

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Who signed the recommendation?

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A two-star general signed the recommendation.

"full speed ahead, 30 knots, no smoke!"

love, Eden

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Who authorized the recommendation for the President?

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That I don't know. It was signed in the combat zone by a two-star general. It was a bronze star (but withtout a V for valor which is a higher decoration than mine). But still worthy of respect.

love, Eden

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Just go to your dd214. Im shur you will be able to find the info.
 

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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :
 
Title 18 § 702 covers wearing of the uniform without authority in the context of impersonating a soldier and Title 18 § 704 covers falsely claiming military medals (to include a section specifically for fraudulently claiming a Medal of Honor).

Fellow [real] veterans that he worked with said, “It seems like his heart was in the right place. He was a really hard worker. He did a lot of good by raising a lot of awareness, but then you find out that he’s a fraud.”
 

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Posted by Eden (Member # 5728) on :
 
Hi, WildB, this is all the information that I can give on a public forum. I even hesitated to mention that I received a bronze star because that narrows the search by fanatic Moslems a lot already.

As I have said previously, both I and one of my family members have said some harsh things about I*s*l*a*m on this bbs and I don't want my family to be targeted, and Jesus told me to be "wise as serpents" and "harmless as doves" when dealing with dangerous fanatics like the Moslems. So that's all I can tell you about my military career, that I was decorated with a bronze star (without the V for valor) and that it was signed by a two-star general in the combat zone. Have a good day.

love, Eden
 

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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :
 

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Originally posted by Eden:
Hi, WildB, this is all the information that I can give on a public forum. I even hesitated to mention that I received a bronze star because that narrows the search by fanatic Moslems a lot already.

As I have said previously, both I and one of my family members have said some harsh things about I*s*l*a*m on this bbs and I don't want my family to be targeted, and Jesus told me to be "wise as serpents" and "harmless as doves" when dealing with dangerous fanatics like the Moslems. So that's all I can tell you about my military career, that I was decorated with a bronze star (without the V for valor) and that it was signed by a two-star general in the combat zone. Have a good day.

love, Eden

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Title 18 § 702 covers wearing of the uniform without authority in the context of impersonating a soldier and Title 18 § 704 covers falsely claiming military medals (to include a section specifically for fraudulently claiming a Medal of Honor).

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Title 18 § 702 covers wearing of the uniform without authority in the context of impersonating a soldier and Title 18 § 704 covers falsely claiming military medals (to include a section specifically for fraudulently claiming a Medal of Honor).

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I'm fully aware of Title 18's provisions. I'm not a fool. I'm a smart person, and now that I'm a bornagain Christian with the Spirit of God inside of me, I'm even smarter than I was before. Be nice.

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The ACLU and the Rutherford Institute got involved with Strandlof’s defense, claiming First Amendment rights protect his freedom to speech and expression as the lie of his background doesn’t hurt anyone as in the clear and present danger application. The government has responded to the defense arguing the Stolen Valor Act of 2005 (pdf) does not trample First Amendment rights, indicating the case will move forward.


 

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Posted by Eden (Member # 5728) on :
 
Since this is a public forum I can defend myself only to the extent that I have revealed. As for you asking me in a previous post to send the DD214 dates to you confidentially by way of a PM, after the way you have treated me on this forum I think it's better for me to guard my own confidentiality than to leave it up to you.
Let's move on with Christian subjects ...

love, Eden
 

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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :
 

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Since this is a public forum I can defend myself only to the extent that I have revealed. As for you asking me in a previous post to send the DD214 dates to you confidentially by way of a PM, after the way you have treated me on this forum I think it's better for me to guard my own confidentiality than to leave it up to you.
Let's move on with Christian subjects ...

love, Eden

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Posted by Carol Swenson (Member # 6929) on :
 
My US Navy dates are 1979 - 1987.

I don't need to make false claims, post silly excuses, or fear men. I'm not afraid the Muslims will come after me or my family if I post my service dates.

That excuse sounds like a whole bucket full of hogwash.
 

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Posted by Eden (Member # 5728) on :
 
Carol Swenson wrote

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I don't need to make false claims, post silly excuses, or fear men. I'm not afraid the Muslims will come after me or my family if I post my service dates.

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I don't need to make false claims, post silly excuses, or fear men. I'm not afraid the Muslims will come after me or my family if I post my service dates.

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You don't have to be afraid that the muslims will come after you or after your family because you have not spoken any harsh words about I*s*l*am on this Bible forum that would cause the muslims to come after you to kill you. I have , so I have to be more careful than you do. I'm actually very amazed that they have not killed Salman Rushdie yet.

Matthew 7:6
Give not that which is holy to the dogs, neither cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet and turn again and rend you.

But just "posting your in-service dates" on a Bible forum isn't going to make any muslims want to kill you.

Carol Swenson also wrote

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I don't need to make false claims ...

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This evil, unabashed statement is clearly aimed at Eden.

1 Peter 3:16
Having a good conscience, that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed who falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

But know this, Carol Swenson, that "with what judgment you judge, and with what measure you mete, the same shall be measured back to you":

Matthew 7:2
For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged; and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Neither is the Lord slack concerning His promises ...

(Repent!)

love, Eden

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More tripe.

The only one you have to be afraid of is the US authorities for making FALSE claims of having medals.

Matt.7

[16] Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[17] Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
[18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

[19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[20] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

You can give a drunk $5 and he will quote scripture and confess Christ.

Please stop your sillyness.

Oh by the way my medal recommendation was approved for the President by W. Graham Claytor, Jr.


 

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Posted by John Hale (Member # 8034) on :
 


Test

The forum was out of kilter yesterday...

Apparently its back up and running.

Ahhhh technology... it's like the permanent capital one commercial with Vikings and everything...
 

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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :
 
So John whats your take on Born Again(eden)s opinion concerning the national day of prayer?

I am fully confident that he is a liar concerning his claim of military service and being awarded a...

 

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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :
 
quote:Originally posted by Eden:
WildB wrote to Eden

quote:Whats the dates on your DD214?

I don't want to divulge that information on a public forum because both I and one of my family members have said some harsh things about I*s*l*a*m and I don't want some fanatic targeting my family. The less they know the safer it is; they have long memories and use long revenge periods to carry out their revenge.

love, Eden

Then maybe you should re examine yourself to see if your still in the Faith.

2Cor.13

[5] Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Learn from this Brother in Christ.

Swedish Cartoonist to Muslims After Attack: Bring It On
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37105541/ns/world_news-europe/
 

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Posted by Eden (Member # 5728) on :
 
Hey, thank you, WildB, the picture above your last post of the Bronze Star with the red ribbon and the blue stripe running down the center, but without the V for valor, that's the one I got, for "exceptionally meritorious service".

But admittedly, the bronze stars with the "V" for valor were and are "the real deal"; the US Army frankly issued "too many bronze stars without the "V" for valor" in the process the US Army "diluted" the "valor" worth of the bronze star.

To be sure, even a bronze star without the "V" for valor, but for "exceptionally meritorious service", are blessed to receive, but the bronze stars with the "V" for valor belongs to the "real" American heroes.

But, WildB, the bronze star without the "V" for valor pictured in your post above this last one, that's the decoration I got on the field of combat, signed by a two-star general on the field of combat, for "exceptionally meritorious service".

Admittedly, I was not a bornagain Christian at the time and I really did not deserve it but I did get it.

love, Eden
 

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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :
 

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Originally posted by Eden:
Hey, thank you, WildB, the picture above your last post of the Bronze Star with the red ribbon and the blue stripe running down the center, but without the V for valor, that's the one I got, for "exceptionally meritorious service".

But admittedly, the bronze stars with the "V" for valor were and are "the real deal"; the US Army frankly issued "too many bronze stars without the "V" for valor" in the process the US Army "diluted" the "valor" worth of the bronze star.

To be sure, even a bronze star without the "V" for valor, but for "exceptionally meritorious service", are blessed to receive, but the bronze stars with the "V" for valor belongs to the "real" American heroes.

But, WildB, the bronze star without the "V" for valor pictured in your post above this last one, that's the decoration I got on the field of combat, signed by a two-star general on the field of combat, for "exceptionally meritorious service".

Admittedly, I was not a bornagain Christian at the time and I really did not deserve it but I did get it.

love, Eden

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If you have it who signed it for the president?You can find the signature at the bottom of your citation that was given at the same time as the medal.

The Captain of the ship recommended mine but the recommendation had to be approved for the President by W. Graham Claytor, Jr.




Title 18 § 704 covers falsely claiming military medals (to include a section specifically for fraudulently claiming a Medal of Honor).
 

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Posted by Eden (Member # 5728) on :
 
My brother in Christ WildB wrote about me:

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Well according to Born Again (eden)we should also get rid or at least rename GOOD FRIDAY?

It's just the same Christian **** as the national day of prayer.

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Well according to Born Again (eden)we should also get rid or at least rename GOOD FRIDAY?

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You liar.

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Numbers 12:2
And they said, Has the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? Has He not also spoken by us?" And the LORD heard it.

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And they said, "Has the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? Has He not also spoken by us?" And the LORD heard it.

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And the Lord was angry. Miriam got leprosy for saying that.

Better choose a different verse to make your point.

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Numbers 12:2
And they said, "Has the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? Has He not also spoken by us?" And the LORD heard it.

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And the Lord was angry. Miriam got leprosy for saying that.

Better choose a different verse to make your point.

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In the case of the Old Testament, Moses was indeed the only person to be God's mouthpiece, so Miriam and Aaron were out of line.

But in the New Testament, ALL bornagain Christians are a mouthpiece of God with the help of the Holy Spirit that is in each bornagain believer.

So it was with the New Testament context in mind that I quoted Numbers 12:2, because in New Testament times, God speaks through every believer and no longer "just by Moses" or "just by WildB and Carol Swenson" (by whom God also speaks of course, but not exclusively as it was in Moses's time.

Hence, the use of the Numbers 12:2; has the LORD only spoken by WildB and Carol Swenson? Indeed not.

love, Eden

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State the facts, clear and true. If you don't want to give out personal information then you shouldn't have made the claims in the first place. As it stands now, you look like a liar.

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State the facts, clear and true. If you don't want to give out personal information then you shouldn't have made the claims in the first place. As it stands now, you look like a liar.

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Do you really think that I, as a bornagain Christian, would think it that it was worthwhile to forfeit the blessings and favor of God by telling the world on this bbs that I am a decorated combat veteran? The blessings and favor of God are worth much more to me than the momentary convenience of telling a lie, my Christian friend.

love, Eden

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I thought so. You liar. Maybe I can have one of my military buds give you the answer that you can't find on Google.

IF you have a star who authorized it for the president?

A first name, last name?

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Do you really think that I, as a bornagain Christian, would think it that it was worthwhile to forfeit the blessings and favor of God by telling the world on this bbs that I am a decorated combat veteran? The blessings and favor of God are worth much more to me than the momentary convenience of telling a lie, my Christian friend.

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(At least the Topic has been) long playing time at the top of the charts
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I wonder if he does his song and dance routine other places too?

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What does God say?

TAKE A STAND FOR CHRIST!


2 Chronicles 36:11 - 17 (NLT)

11Zedekiah was twenty-one years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem eleven years.

12He did what was evil in the sight of the LORD his God, and he refused to humble himself when the prophet Jeremiah spoke to him directly from the LORD.

13He also rebelled against King Nebuchadnezzar, even though he had taken an oath of loyalty in God’s name. Zedekiah was a hard and stubborn man, refusing to turn to the LORD, the God of Israel.

14Likewise, all the leaders of the priests and the people became more and more unfaithful. They followed all the pagan practices of the surrounding nations, desecrating the Temple of the LORD that had been consecrated in Jerusalem.

15The LORD, the God of their ancestors, repeatedly sent his prophets to warn them, for he had compassion on his people and his Temple.

16But the people mocked these messengers of God and despised their words. They scoffed at the prophets until the LORD’s anger could no longer be restrained and nothing could be done.

17So the LORD brought the king of Babylon against them. The Babylonians killed Judah’s young men, even chasing after them into the Temple. They had no pity on the people, killing both young men and young women, the old and the infirm. God handed all of them over to Nebuchadnezzar.
 

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Posted by Carol Swenson (Member # 6929) on :
 
The Promise of Empowerment

1. Acts 1:8--Jesus said to His disciples, "You shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you. "

2. Luke 24:49--He promised, "You [will be] clothed with power from on high. "

3. Ephesians 3:20--God "is able to do exceeding abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the power that works within us. "

The Reminder About Our Resources

When we forget our spiritual resources and rely on our own strength, we'll experience discouragement, weariness, and disillusionment. Spiritual warfare is hard and never stops. Timothy, like us all, needed to be reminded of the source of spiritual strength. Scripture records many such reminders.

1. Joshua 1:6-7--God said to Joshua, "Be strong and courageous, for you shall give this people possession of the land which I swore to their fathers to give them. Only be strong and very courageous; be careful to do according to all the law which Moses My servant commanded you; do not turn from it to the right or to the left, so that you may have success wherever you go. "

2. 1 Chronicles 22:13--David said to his son Solomon, "You shall prosper, if you are careful to observe the statutes and the ordinances which the Lord commanded Moses concerning Israel. Be strong and courageous, do not fear nor be dismayed. "

3. 1 Corinthians 16:13--Paul exhorted the Corinthians to "be on the alert, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong. "

4. Galatians 4:19--Paul spoke to the Galatians as those "with whom I am again in labor until Christ is formed in you. " He wanted them to be fully like Christ: strong, mature, and powerful (cf. Eph. 4:13) .

5. Colossians 1:28--Paul proclaimed Christ, "admonishing every man and teaching every man with all wisdom, that we may present every man complete in Christ. " To be complete in Christ is to be strong spiritually.

6. Ephesians 6:10--Believers are to "be strong in the Lord, and in the strength of His might. "

A Soldier (2 Timothy 2:3-4)

"Suffer hardship with me, as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. No soldier in active service entangles himself in the affairs of everyday life, so that he may please the one who enlisted him as a soldier. "

1. He knows he's at war

Paul likened the Christian to a soldier. That implies we are at war--a picture used elsewhere in Scripture.

a) Ephesians 6:11-12--"Put on the full armor of God, that you may be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. "

b) 2 Corinthians 10:3-5--"Though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh, for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ. "

Second Timothy 2:3 says we are to be "good" (Gk. , kalos) soldiers. We are not to be soldiers simply in terms of function and duty--we are to be excellent, noble, and heroic soldiers. Those are the kind of soldiers who earn medals of valor and honor.

The Real War

It's often hard for us as Christians in the United States of America to remember we are at war. We live in a society that, while philosophically hostile to Christianity, has not been hostile legally or politically. That's unlike other countries in the world where the battlelines are more clearly drawn. There Christians have often been required to make extreme sacrifices in every area of life. Here heroism for Christ's cause is not thrust upon us, so we can forget we are warriors. Though our warfare may not seem evident, the battle is all around us.

• Against Demons

I will never forget a battle with a demon-possessed girl one night at church. She was in one of the rooms of the church kicking, screaming, and throwing furniture around. When I walked into the room, she said, "Don't let him in!" But the voice that said that wasn't her own. My first response was, "Fine, I'm leaving!" But I realized that if the demons didn't like me, it was because I was on God's side. I went in and the girl attacked me, kicking me in the shins so violently I began to bleed. In the power of God several of us spent hours there until she confessed her sin and God, in His grace, purified her. As I left that night I realized for the first time the extent of our warfare against demons.

• The War against Unbelief

A number of years ago a UCLA philosophy professor who was Jewish expressed a desire to know Christ. I presented the gospel to him and met with him early in the morning for six months. After that time he told me he didn't want to meet with me anymore. He went on to attend a liberal seminary, and became an Episcopalian rector. I don't know his present spiritual state--but he's not where I intended him to be. Our warfare is for the hearts, minds, and souls of people. It's often most evident in our discipling relationships because that's where unbelief becomes most evident.

• Against Sin

In the past I have sought out wayward husbands from places they should not have been. Our church has experienced lawsuits, threats, and accusations. Those kinds of experiences affirm that as Christians we are at war against sin.

First Thessalonians 4:11 says "to make it your ambition to lead a quiet life and attend to your own business. " There are quiet times in the Christian life, but they seem to be more the exception than the rule. They give us time to catch our breath before the next wave of battle hits, for the battle continues to rage.

2. He knows he must suffer hardship

In 2 Timothy 2:3 the Greek word translated "suffer hardship with" (sunkakopath[ma]eson) could also be translated "endure affliction together," "take your share of suffering," or "take your share of rough treatment. " Too often Christianity is presented to non-believers as the cure to all anxieties, difficulties, and trials. That results in a lot of false disciples. Too few present the gospel by saying, "Come to Christ, pick up your armor, and join us in a lifelong struggle against the world, the flesh, and the devil. "

3. He knows he's on active duty

Christians are "in active service" (v. 4) . The Christian army does not have any members on rest and recreation. All are on the front lines of an active battle. We all suffer together.

Some think they can be Christians but not fight as Christian soldiers. They're only deceiving themselves--we're on the front line. Such Christians are asleep on the firing line--a very dangerous position to be in.

4. He knows he must avoid entanglements

The Greek word translated "entangles" (Gk. , emplek[ma]o) in verse 4 means "to interweave. " A believer's life is not to be wrapped up in the non-essentials of this life. Because we live on the battlefront, all things are to be subservient to winning the battle.

Luke 9 gives three examples of people entangled in the things of this life and who thus could not follow our Lord. One was concerned about his personal comfort (vv. 57-58) . Another wanted his inheritance first (vv. 59-60) . The third was unwilling to give himself wholeheartedly to Jesus as Lord (vv. 61-62) . Their lives were interweaved with non-essentials.

No Time-Outs

A soldier on active duty is always a soldier. He can't call a "time-out" in the middle of battle. The same is true of Christians. Like soldiers in the field must avoid anything that would hamper us in battle. We're to be so consumed with our duties that though the enticements of the world pass by, we are oblivious to them.

5. He seeks to please his commander

A soldier desires to "please the one who enlisted him as a soldier" (2 Tim. 2:4) . That refers to a soldier's commander. A Christian's commander is Jesus Christ. That's whom we endeavour to please.

As Christian soldiers we're to serve our Lord "with all humility" (Acts 20:19) . With that kind of attitude, each of us should be able to say, "I do not consider my life of any account as dear to myself, in order that I may finish my course, and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus" (v. 24) . Our Lord is the preeminent example of one about whom the Father could say, "[With Him] I am well pleased" (Matt. 3:17) . The greatest joy of a Christian will be to hear, "Well done, good and faithful soldier" (cf. Matt. 25:21, 23) . Our instinctive response to our Lord ought to be respect and obedience from the heart.

John MacArthur
http://www.biblebb.com/files/mac/sg55-6.htm
 

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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :
 
Manny VETs were there kneeling in the grass at the Court House steps tossing their medals and honor before Christ in a National Day of Prayer.

But one that claims to have A Star on this board says we should not do this because the other religions are getting up set.

Just go back and review this thread in total.

Because Next thing that people like this will be demanding will be that Memorial Day is unconstitutional because of all them little crosses that marked the graves of OUR DEAD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS here and abroad.
 

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Posted by Eden (Member # 5728) on :
 
WildB wrote

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OK Ed and byfaith lets do it your way.

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Hey, thank you, WildB, the picture above your last post of the Bronze Star with the red ribbon and the blue stripe running down the center, but without the V for valor, that's the one I got, for "exceptionally meritorious service".

But admittedly, the bronze stars with the "V" for valor were and are "the real deal"; the US Army frankly issued "too many bronze stars without the "V" for valor" in the process the US Army "diluted" the "valor" worth of the bronze star.

To be sure, even a bronze star without the "V" for valor, but for "exceptionally meritorious service", are blessed to receive, but the bronze stars with the "V" for valor belongs to the "real" American heroes.

But, WildB, the bronze star without the "V" for valor pictured in your post above this last one, that's the decoration I got on the field of combat, signed by a two-star general on the field of combat, for "exceptionally meritorious service".

Admittedly, I was not a bornagain Christian at the time and I really did not deserve it but I did get it.

love, Eden

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If you have it who signed it for the president?You can find the signature at the bottom of your citation that was given at the same time as the medal.

The Captain of the ship recommended mine but the recommendation had to be approved for the President by W. Graham Claytor, Jr.




Title 18 § 704 covers falsely claiming military medals (to include a section specifically for fraudulently claiming a Medal of Honor).

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That's correct. If a competent authority with jurisdiction deems that a crime has been committed, the courts have ruled that Internet service providers have to provide the competent authority with the IP of that individual, as in the case of hackers, and so on.

In any case, if any competent authority with jurisdiction wants to look at my DD214, I will be happy to provide them with my US Army ID number.

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Thank God for that. But by the way, I'm not "on my own". Jesus is always watching out for me and is "instructing me and is "teaching me which way I should go" and is "guiding me with His eye" (Psalm 32:8). And I also have the Holy Spirit inside me. Greater is He who is in me than he who is in the world. I'm not alone like I used to be.

But I'm thankful we can finally put this matter to rest. If any competent authority wants to review my military records, they are welcome to do so.

love, Eden

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