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Posted by Found in Him (Member # 7596) on :
 
What will happen in the last days? What kinds of things will be destructive and lead people down the wrong path? The Bible is clear that in the last days there will be such a strong delusion that if it were possible even the elect would be deceived (Matthew 24:24). What seems white will actually be black and what seems like the truth will be a lie.

 The Bible warns us about this spiritual darkness; "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" (Isaiah 5:20)

 A way that will give us discernment in the evil days that we are living in is to learn how Satan deluded Eve in the Garden of Eden. He told her five big lies. These SAME five lies have deceived people throughout all of history and are getting much stronger in our day. Satan will use what has worked in the past and will give it a modern upgrade to fit the fast-paced world we now live in.

"Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat" (Genesis 3:1-6)

The Five Lies that Satan told in these verses were:

1). "Yea, hath God said?"
2). "Ye shall not surely die"
3). "then your eyes shall be opened"
4). "ye shall be as gods"
5)."knowing good and evil"


1). "Yea, hath God said?"
As Satan lied to her about God's word she began to QUESTION it. She began thinking maybe what God said was not true after all. As Eve believed this first lie, she took her first step towards disobeying her Maker. This lie caused Eve to doubt what God had said to her. This first deception of Satan, starting in the Garden of Eden, and then all throughout history, has continued to get people of all cultures to doubt the word of God.

2)."Ye shall not surely die"
Satan now attempts to CONTRADICT God's word as he proclaims to Eve "Ye shall not surely die". God had already told Adam that he would die if he ate of "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" (Gen 2:16-17). Satan calls God a liar!


3)."then your eyes shall be opened"
Satan deceitfully continues, "then your eyes shall be opened," Could this be the lie of esotericism? Esotericism is that special hidden knowledge revealed to those who are ENLIGHTENED through the practice of occultism. It is to pursue knowledge "APART FROM" and "forbidden by GOD".

4). "ye shall be as gods"
If man considers that he is God he will believe that he will never die. He will think HE KNOWS BY HIS OWN HEART what is good and evil (relativism) and will decide his own truth because he believes he is god of his own universe! Oh, how Satan has fit these lies together so well! This dangerous lie has urged man to depend on his inner self (what they believe is the god within themselves) to determine what is right and wrong and to follow the desire of their own heart.

5."knowing good and evil"
Satan ends with: "knowing good and evil". Could this be the lie of relativism? The theory of relativism teaches that everyone HAS THEIR OWN TRUTH as long as they are sincere.
Relativism teaches that every person must follow their own path in life and it will ultimately lead them to the same ultimate goal (or to god or what they call god). Think about it, if there is no absolute truth then there is no need to trust in the Bible. This lie takes away the fear of God and His mighty judgments.

These are the last days, let us...

11 Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. Ephesians 6 (New International Version)
 

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Posted by oneinchrist (Member # 6532) on :
 
In the last days, which I do believe we are in, sexual immorality is at the top of the list of destructive things that lead people down the wrong path.

With love in Christ, Daniel
 

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Posted by becauseHElives (Member # 87) on :
 
Found in Him very thought provoking, isn't it interesting Satan in scripture is given the title the father of lie.

To me one of the most important verses of scriptures for the child of Yahweh to continually remember is 2 Thessalonians 2....

10And by unlimited seduction to evil and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing (going to perdition) because they did not welcome the Truth but refused to love it that they might be saved.

11Therefore God sends upon them a misleading influence, a working of error and a strong delusion to make them believe what is false,

12In order that all may be judged and condemned who did not believe in [who refused to adhere to, trust in, and rely on] the Truth, but [instead] took pleasure in unrighteousness.

One prayer that is continually on my lips and upon my heart is Father please don't let me believe any lie about my Salvation and what You desire of my life...

let the believer understand 1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Satan devours with lies....
 

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Posted by yahsway (Member # 3738) on :
 
Hi Daniel, yes, sexual immorality is a sin, but its the lie from Satan to people that practice sexual immorality that is leading them down the wrong path.

I have heard it said that a "lie is a brother to murder".

I think about that phrase when i think about abortion.
 

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Posted by bluefrog (Member # 7448) on :
 
I have been doing a lot of reading and listening to the news trying to catch up on the madness in congress. Those folks are absoultely insane !

It reminded me of one of the verses above: 2 Thes. 2:11 but first I will show 2:10...
10) And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11)And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, (a working of error) that they should believe a lie.

However, I think that if you want to really pin point the end times go to Mark 13 and read it all. It isn't that long but it will slam dunk you right into the hoop called Trib.
 

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Posted by Copper25 (Member # 7464) on :
 
john 8:44)Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

O the shame and the tragedy, Satan lies to the entire world one way or another, he will either make someone believe a lie or trust in the delusions of there own mind! Mark 13:6) "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." O when the bible says many consider that Psalm 12:6) "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times." O how many is a biblical many? Only 7000 were reserved during Jezebel’s reign while king Ahab just for the most part just stood aside (save when he hide certain number of prophets in a cave)! Only one in a thousand did Solomon find! Ecclesiastes 7:28) "Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found." Now imagine the FEW who are not caught in the lie of Satan compared to those many that are! O the Shame and tragedy!

Psalm 91:7) "A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee."
 

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Posted by Found in Him (Member # 7596) on :
 
We will keep our minds feasting on Your word Lord!

The TRUTH sets us free!

He whom the Son sets free is....?


AMEN!
 

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Posted by oneinchrist (Member # 6532) on :
 
Hi Yahsway,
I read your response to mine and I agree. I put my response in this morning in a hurry as I was off to work. After I proof-read my response later in the day I realized that it was sloppy, loosely associated with Found in Him's post, and didnt make much sense. I certainly agree that the "lies" of the devil that people believe are what lead them down the path of destruction. In saying that, sexual immorality would just be outward evidence of a world falling away from God. Thanks for your heart in fellowship Yahsway.

With love in Christ, Daniel
 

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Posted by bluefrog (Member # 7448) on :
 
FOUND IN HIM...Let me ask you...If you were Eve at that time when the 5 lies were told what do you suppose you would do? It is not a fair question I don't suppose, especially now that we know what the results were.

So, let me changespeak...do you think most any man or woman would do the same? Even if it was a snake ?
 

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Posted by Found in Him (Member # 7596) on :
 

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Originally posted by bluefrog:
FOUND IN HIM...Let me ask you...If you were Eve at that time when the 5 lies were told what do you suppose you would do? It is not a fair question I don't suppose, especially now that we know what the results were.

So, let me changespeak...do you think most any man or woman would do the same? Even if it was a snake ?

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Originally posted by oneinchrist:
Hi Found in Him,
You stated above that you posted your testimony.
Can you tell me where its at? I would like to read it. Thanks from your friend in the Lord.

With love in Christ, Daniel

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In the last days, which I do believe we are in, sexual immorality is at the top of the list of destructive things that lead people down the wrong path.

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oneinchrist, in this particular statement you do exhibit some (understandable) ignorance of the history of the inhabited world or earth.

Historically, every successful earthly kingdom or empire starts out lean and mean and thus wins wars over the epicurian fat cats of the kingdom or empire which is "on its way out".

The sequence is always the same, lean for war, win victories over lands, bring home their gold and silver and spoil, get richer, hire others to do the work with your riches, while you yourself become fatter and lazier and less able for war, until the next lean and mean kingdom or empire takes over from you.

Let me therefore assure you, oneinchrist, that in EVERY kingdom or empire, be it the Egyptian, the Assyrian, the Babylonian, the Persian, the Greek, the Ottoman Turk, the Chinese Dynasties, the Japanese Dynasties, and the Indian Dynasties, [b]there was sexual immorality of the same measure, and indeed of far greater measure, than anything that we are seeing "in these last days".

Only those ignorant of history would make such a statement to support the idea that "in the last days sexual immorality is at the top of the list of destructive things that lead people down the wrong path".

Dear brother, I'll give you this, though: sexual immorality has always been one of the things that occurs toward the END of a kingdom or empire, so if these be the last days, guess what, sexual immorality is on the increase since World War II?

love, Eden
"Lord, awaken my heart"
 

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Posted by oneinchrist (Member # 6532) on :
 
Good Morning Eden,
I dont think you saw my most recent post on this topic. I confessed that it was sloppy and loosely associated with Found in Him's post; therefore I dont really desire to argue any points on it. Part of my mistake was that I posted it in a big hurry. One thing I do believe without a doubt though, is that, closer and closer to the end we will see more and more increase in sexual immorality, but I certainly agree with you that sexual immorality is nothing new.

With love in Christ, Daniel
 

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Posted by Michael Harrison (Member # 6801) on :
 
Perhaps, eden, you missed this pontification:

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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
Will, drillmaster, maybe I wasn't clear enough:
1). "Yea, hath God said?"
2). "Ye shall not surely die"
3). "then your eyes shall be opened"
4). "ye shall be as gods"
5)."knowing good and evil"

These have been represented in this thread as being things that Christians should be wary of. It is as though one determined person would 'caution' others about 'supposing' him or herself to be something that the one considers to be a dangerous and unhealthy direction for the true believer. However, as pertaining to Jesus:

1)"Yea, hath God said?"
Ans: Rather, "It is written!" Matt 4:4,6,7. That is what it means to us now as the fallen, that "Yea, God hath indeed said."

2)"Ye shall not surely die"
Ans: Mat 19:16 "Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?" For we shall not die, or Jesus died in vain.

3) "then your eyes shall be opened"
Ans: (Mat 6:22) The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.


HE made the blind to see! That is the meaning of the above verse, and the below.
(Joh 9:6) When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay,
(Joh 9:7) And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.
(Mat 5:8) Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

4)"ye shall be as gods"
(Joh 14:12) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Ye shall be as God's, by His Spirit, according to HIS will, and not our own, i.e. not according to the flesh, or any deception.

And lastly 5)) "knowing good and evil"

On this last count, it is the state of the redeemed that he indeed does know 'good and evil' and this accounts for the fallen state, or the condition of "struggle." For to be 'evil' is to be "separate," i.e. 'act, and or perform' separately from God, doing one's own thing. It is the mortal sin of Cain. Therefore the one is 'condemned' thereby, for it cometh not by faith, but rather, by way of unbelief. And that leads to sermons which all the pages I have written here cannot contain.

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Originally posted by bluefrog:
FOUND IN HIM....Subject: 5 lies that kill.

Know what ? I was just reading some comments made by someone on each of your five lies listed, and it occured to me that like the answers above, do you suppose that Eve didn't understand what Satan was saying?

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Originally posted by Betty Louise:
Found in Him,
I think the desire was for the fruit, simply because God had said no. I heard a preacher the other day preach on this. He said that there is something about human nature that makes us want to do want what we can't have and do what we can't do.
He said when you see a sign that says do not walk on grass, it makes you want to walk on the grass.
Hope this helps.
betty

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Originally posted by bluefrog:
It was a think through question that I raised of which I am probably the only one who knows what I was talking about.

In other words...(I will try again) read the comments made on each lie and see what you think about it. Or, skip it.

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I see.
I think it's a little more than lack of understanding.
 

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Posted by Found in Him (Member # 7596) on :
 
and no one ever said i was the brightest lightbulb on the board
 

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Posted by The Beauty of Holiness777 (Member # 7380) on :
 
You may not be the brightest light bulb on the board but your posts are enlighten. Good post!
 

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Posted by Found in Him (Member # 7596) on :
 
Yes you are right about the brightness! -- This post is proof that God can nudge even the not so bright to declare "That devil is a LIAR!!!"

hehehe.
 

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Posted by bluefrog (Member # 7448) on :
 
If I hear someone say you aren't bright I'll give em' warts. Nice loving warts, don't ya know.

5 lies that kill.

Lie with your neighbor
Lie in a bed of snakes
Lie to Jesus
Lie to your mother in law
Lie in fire and brimstone with knashing of teeth
 

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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :
 
What about when one says I WILL and don't?

Matt.21

[29] He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
 

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Posted by Found in Him (Member # 7596) on :
 

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Originally posted by bluefrog:
If I hear someone say you aren't bright I'll give em' warts. Nice loving warts, don't ya know.

5 lies that kill.

Lie with your neighbor
Lie in a bed of snakes
Lie to Jesus
Lie to your mother in law
Lie in fire and brimstone with knashing of teeth

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You crack me up!
 

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Posted by Eden (Member # 5728) on :
 
Found in Him wrote

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my questions

1. she was innocent and had not sinned as of yet. i'm not sure we can understand that state yet?

2. she viewed God's word as authority and repeated it to satan. could she understand a lie?

3.james 1 speaks of being drawn out by his own desire....she had desire to sin? i don't know

4. to understand evil is to exit from it and overcome?

was this disobedience in ignorance?

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Found in Him,
I think the desire was for the fruit, simply because God had said no.

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Well, not only "simply" because God had said "no", but also because Lucifer-Satan made the eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge "sound much better than it was". I.e., it was not just that God had said no, but Lucifer also pumped them up on what they were missing out on if they DID NOT eat of the fruit. no...very good...no...very good...no...very good....hmmm, which is it?

And from that we can further surmise that she had trouble "valuing God aright" as compared to "Lucifer's value" who was, at least formerly, the overarching cherub:

Ezekiel 28:14
You are the anointed cherub who covers; and I have set you so: you were upon the holy mountain of God; you have walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

And, maybe by this time Eve had ONLY MET two persons, the LORD God walking in the garden and her husband Adam, so it must have been a matter of great astonishment if she first met Lucifer in a form other than "just a talking serpent". If she only knew the LORD and Adam, it must have been shock-city for her.

love, Eden
 

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Posted by Found in Him (Member # 7596) on :
 
Eden,

The questions that I had asked about Eve a few boxes up was because I misunderstood what bluefrog was asking me (just above)about another subject.

I agree with bluefrog about these 'questionable' issues that are arising-- I am mostly to blame for this because I think I just have to know everything I possibly can, all at once about The Lord! That's just my make-up I guess.

If God's word is not specifically clear on a thing it's probably better concentrating on what we do know from the word.

Otherwise we are surmising, maybe this, and maybe that... Questioning mysteries not yet to be revealed.

The Author of the bible, I feel, gave us what we need to understand... He knows that we have are limits. His word is so good though, isn't it?
 

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Posted by Glory belongs to Him (Member # 7432) on :
 
You speak like a bright light bulb to me and one with wisdom.

God's Word do hold many mysteries that's why when we study it deeply the Holy Spirit that guides us and teaches us will manifest God's Word to us.

"Not to be showoffs to see who know more than who but to be helpers one to another."

Found in Him wrote:
If God's Word is not specificly clear on a thing it's probably better concentrating on what we do know from the Word.

Otherwise we are surmising maybe this, and maybe that...questioning mysteries not yet revealed.

Even the rapture seems to be a mystery to some people that's another one some don't yet understand.
Behold, I show (tell) you a mystery, we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed....
(1Corin:15:51)

Even the "Trinity" is a mystery to some!

1 Corinthians 2:7;
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory.

God's Word is some deep that even the worldly intellects cannot attain it nor the unbeleivers.
But even to the elect what is not fully understood now will all be revealed in time.
 

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Posted by Found in Him (Member # 7596) on :
 
We do need to take heed when looking past what is written in scriptures. When The Spirit of God reveals a thing-- There is no question about that thing. It's an absolute. A truth.

This is what we do know:
Jesus is the main theme of the bible.
He is to be, Our ministry, our focus, our knowledge, our hope, the encouragement that we give to others, our life.

He is The Word of God.
 

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Posted by bluefrog (Member # 7448) on :
 
EDEN, old bud...Subj: 5 lies that kill.

This has nothing to do with the subject but to your script on 2/10/09 at 11:42. lol

First of all, Adam and Eve were not destined to die unless they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The simplicity of the story (until some bible lawyers get ahold of it) is to lay out a mind-set (stage) and then tell us how we got into the mess we are in.

The amount of time before the father of skumbags got wind of the "don't touch, don't eat, or die" rule was set down doesn't really matter does it?
Why does the location of the tree matter? Me thinks you sorta miss the point.

The "millenia" is spoken of several times, but why? Don't get cranky now, I'm just asking. What millenia are you referring to?

Why would Adam and Eve be curious about the tree? My guess is that if anything they avoided it as a done deal. However, Ole' Sewer Mouth got a glimmer in his eye when he got to thinkin.
As it turned out, he was the one curious. He was curious to see if he could employ his tacky tactics and use the tree as a tool and introduce doubt in Eve's mind. It wasn't a matter of Eve being innocent around the tree, but trusting and faithful.

Adams naming animals had nothing to do with deciding things, especially between good and evil.

You suggested that Satan made eating the fruit sound better than it was...pumped them up..Yummy!
Again, I don't think so. He was suggesting to Eve that she didn't need God to tell her what she needs to do or not do.

If ya think that Eve was comparing God to Lucifer and Lucifer came as a snake as most believe, and he spoke to her hissing or whatever what kind of comparison could be made?

You quoated Ez 28:14 which speaks of the first world age, the age of the dinasours. Adam and Eve were created in this world age.

So, my friend, I refrain from turning this over to the bible attorney general for trial, just comments. rivit You have a real creative mind.
 

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Posted by Eden (Member # 5728) on :
 
bluefrog, you wrote

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Why would Adam and Eve be curious about the tree? My guess is that if anything they avoided it as a done deal.

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They probably had to watch each other and stop one another from doing the forbidden thang. It was just awful.

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What makes you think that they were celebrating....never mind, you are just pullin my leg anyway, I know you know better.

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EDEN..The freedom of Choice was a GIVEN to them. It was something they were born with, like a liver or the ability to communicate.

It wasn't until they chose to go against God's word that they even knew the difference.

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Furthermore, In that God knows what we are thinking if Eve was having a problem wanting to eat from the tree don't you think that it would be a sin?

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"Not to be showoffs to see who know more than who but to be helpers one to another."

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Desires and Lusting for something is not like Wondering is it?

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It is not a sin to be tempted. It is a sin to 'obey' the temptation.

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It is not a sin to be tempted. It is a sin to "obey" the temptation.

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bluefrog ask.... Why would Adam and Eve be curious about the tree? My guess is that if anything they avoided it as a done deal.

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