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Originally posted by AMH:
HisGrace,I will first ask of you-
Can a person be a Christian and hold grudges?

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by AMH - And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. (Genesis 3:15)
When shall we say that this scripture has been fulfilled.

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Originally posted by AMH:
Has Genesis 3:15 been fulfilled?
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The extrapolation that Eve had hopes that Cain was to be the fulfillment of Genesis 3:15 does have a certain pull.

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Originally posted by AMH:
HisGrace,Will you show us where the Bible verses are that say that Christians can “absolutely” as you put it, hold grudges.

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Originally posted by AMH:
HisGrace,(Your not finding reference to “grudge” is not surprising since you are looking in the wrong places.)

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Your signature that you are using has deep spiritual meaning, not something to be taken lightly, (example: by His grace we live and have our being). So bringing your signature into the discussion would not be so unusual, besides you are the one wearing the emblem of our faith as though it were your own personal property And any way, your signature was questioned when you and I first started but maybe you missed that.

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Originally posted by AMH:
HisGrace,
When you wrote in another thread about Dr. Rodgers you insinuated several things that did not add up.
In your second post in this thread you insinuate that believers will receive glorified bodies at death. But in the thread where you spoke of Dr. Rodgers you hold the position that believers receive their glorified bodies at the rapture, not death.

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“When Christ comes the second time He will come in great power.” Implying that Christ’ first coming was in weakness or at least not in great strength.

Maybe if we look closely we will be able to tell which is greater-

Christ’ first coming or Christ’ second coming.

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Is this up fpr discussion in this thread? I think that this is a fantastic topic!

I am not sure that I would say one was greater than the other; but certainly HIS first coming was one of unspeakable power.

His appearance to the Jew that denied HIM was that of weakness... of having been smitten of God, of one cursed, but that is not the reality.

Isaiah says that He was led like a lamb to slaughter and He did not open his mouth to speak against those who transgressed against HIM.

I see that there is tremendous strength in willful submission to the will of another.

Meekness and timidity are not the same things. Jesus was meek; He was not timid nor was HE weak.

What about HIS power over HIS own flesh, could you fast for 40 days and still deny the cunning of the devil?

These are things of HIS humanity, but what of HIS God-nity? He came with power that no human has ever had before HIM... the power to lay down HIS own life and pick it up again.

What about HIS power over tempest wind and sea? What about HIS power over demons, powers and principalities of darkness?

What about the power to set captives free that had been imprisoned in death for thousands of years?

What about the power to call forth the dead?

What about the power to send for the Holy SPirit?

What about the power to without weapon or warfare establish a kingdom that men were willing to give their lives to be persecuted to be part of or to give all they had that was earthly to be part of?

I think that this and so much more than I could possibly comprehend much less speak with this humand mind and mouth was the glory and the majesty and the power and might of HIS first coming. I think that this is the revelation that John was given.... that all the glory and majesty and might that will be seen by the world at HIS second coming was present in HIS first and made known progressively to HIS saints.

THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD DWELLED IN HIM BODILY!!! Can WE even comprehend the power and might and glory of that?
 

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Posted by RedeemTheTime (Member # 5161) on :
 
Last post by helpforhomeschoolers...awesome and yes, an awesome God and topic!:-) Revelation 22:20
 

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Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 
Jesus was God and he had every power available to Him with just a mere whisper, but he came as flesh and wanted to be humbled and identify with mankind in every way possible.

John the Baptist didn't feel worthy to baptize Jesus, but insisted that He be baptized like everyone else. He even washed the disciples' feet to show his humility.

There is a scripture that says he could have called on legions of angels to help him in once instance, but he chose not to do so.

He made the ultimate sacrifice of humility and shame by being crucified on that cruel cross and dieing in the flesh as a human.
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
(Yes this is an open forum and everyone is welcome.)

To give as a first proof for my argument-

The imagination has out paced the facts that the Second Coming of Christ shows greater power than that of the First Coming of Christ.
 

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Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
You lost me with the last post AMH. Not hard to do, sometimes I just dont follow; I admiditly am sometimes a great example of why dumb blonde jokes came to be, even though I am a redhead or was before the grey.

So...

Huh???
 

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Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 

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Originally posted by helpforhomeschoolers:
: Huh???

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I was thinking exactly the same thing, but I thought I was missing something.
 

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Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
ha ha ha Hisgrace. I am so glad to know that I am not alone! I am sure that we are both missing something! God has probably been gracious to us in allowing us to miss it!


 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
HisGrace and helpforthehomeschoolers,

As a kid in elementary school I was introduced, (academically) to the Greeks, Romans, (and on my own to the Vikings). There was something very attractive about these people. I read things like Gibbon’s “Rise and Fall…” but that was not it. I found their mythology, especially Nordic Mythology very pleasing.

Norse Mythology gave rise to interesting characters like Oden, Thor, Loki. It even had a prophetic culmination to it.

(This thread is meant to examine why not how, [with a minimal of background].)

I will observe that today’s “Christian” thought is partly determined by past mythology. The reason that I say this is because some of it follows closely to mythology. You can even go further in this statement if you like and say that at least a portion of “end time” teaching is past mythology with “Christian” name tags attached. (All you have to do is study the mythology and use your imagination which is what mythology is.)

If anyone would like, after this thread reaches its natural conclusion, we can study the above further. But for now I would really like to continue without having to “prove” everything. Sort of like an overview, with a willingness to come back later and fill in some of the blanks.

7) By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. (Hebrews 11:7)

The people living in Noah’s day did not understand the coming destruction. When it came they were taken completely by surprise. (They understood nothing.) It will be just like that again. So a good question would be-

How many people today understand the “kind” of destruction that “end time” “Christians” are preaching and teaching?

It does not look that good for the above Christians.

(But that is not what this thread is meant to be about. It is the “why” not the “how”.)

AMH
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 
AMH
Advanced Member
Member # 4895

(Yes this is an open forum and everyone is welcome.)

To give as a first proof for my argument-

The imagination has out paced the facts that the Second Coming of Christ shows greater power than that of the First Coming of Christ.

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HisGrace and helpforthehomeschoolers,

As a kid in elementary school I was introduced, (academically) to the Greeks, Romans, (and on my own to the Vikings). There was something very attractive about these people. I read things like Gibbon’s “Rise and Fall…” but that was not it. I found their mythology, especially Nordic Mythology very pleasing.

Norse Mythology gave rise to interesting characters like Oden, Thor, Loki. It even had a prophetic culmination to it.

(This thread is meant to examine why not how, [with a minimal of background].)

I will observe that today’s “Christian” thought is partly determined by past mythology. The reason that I say this is because some of it follows closely to mythology. You can even go further in this statement if you like and say that at least a portion of “end time” teaching is past mythology with “Christian” name tags attached. (All you have to do is study the mythology and use your imagination which is what mythology is.)

If anyone would like, after this thread reaches its natural conclusion, we can study the above further. But for now I would really like to continue without having to “prove” everything. Sort of like an overview, with a willingness to come back later and fill in some of the blanks.

7) By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. (Hebrews 11:7)

The people living in Noah’s day did not understand the coming destruction. When it came they were taken completely by surprise. (They understood nothing.) It will be just like that again. So a good question would be-

How many people today understand the “kind” of destruction that “end time” “Christians” are preaching and teaching?

It does not look that good for the above Christians.

(But that is not what this thread is meant to be about. It is the “why” not the “how”.)

AMH

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More generalities without substance, accusations without credibility, from AMH.

You post with all of the clarity of thick mud.

State clearly that which Christians are teaching, that you feel is in error.

State clearly from the Word why you disagree, AFTER you state what you disagree with.

2 Tim. 3:
16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

AMH you condemn, rebuke, and seek to correct that which you perceive as being error, but you post with confusion, without clarity, without precise substantiation from the Word, and with a tendency to skirt the issues.

Definition. Clarity. Substance. Substantiation.

Seek to post with clarity so that your posts are not dismissed as a muddled mishmash of invective.
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
Again with the personal attacks.

What is the real matter Caretaker? Is the heat being turned up a little too high for you?

AMH
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 
AMH:

Again with the personal attacks.

What is the real matter Caretaker? Is the heat being turned up a little too high for you?

AMH

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Once again you skirt the issue.

State clearly that which Christians are teaching, that you feel is in error.

State clearly from the Word why you disagree, AFTER you state what you disagree with.

2 Tim. 3:
16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

AMH you condemn, rebuke, and seek to correct that which you perceive as being error, but you post with confusion, without clarity, without precise substantiation from the Word, and with a tendency to skirt the issues.

Definition. Clarity. Substance. Substantiation.

Seek to post with clarity so that your posts are not dismissed as a muddled mishmash of invective.


No heat because you have yet to post with any kind of clarity, without dodging the issues.
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
I just don’t get it Caretaker????

You post something about Mordecai that I ask a question about. Then 12 pages later you still never answer a word. We are still on the first page of this post. Don’t you think it would be polite to wait your turn?

AMH
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 
AMH:

I just don’t get it Caretaker????

You post something about Mordecai that I ask a question about. Then 12 pages later you still never answer a word. We are still on the first page of this post. Don’t you think it would be polite to wait your turn?

AMH

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Still another rabbit trail, dodging and evading and avoiding.

State clearly that which Christians are teaching, that you feel is in error.

State clearly from the Word why you disagree, AFTER you state what you disagree with.

2 Tim. 3:
16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

AMH you condemn, rebuke, and seek to correct that which you perceive as being error, but you post with confusion, without clarity, without precise substantiation from the Word, and with a tendency to skirt the issues.

Definition. Clarity. Substance. Substantiation.

Seek to post with clarity so that your posts are not dismissed as a muddled mishmash of invective.
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
Caretaker,

I was taught as a youngster that conversation was a two way street, (you know manners, you do have some don’t you); that if conversation is going to continue with honesty that there will be give and take on both sides.

You seem determined to force me to answer you in a way that is in keeping with your lofty position here at the BBS. But before I do so you must come down to my level.

Tell me how Esther’s uncle Mordecai is so like your jesus. Then if you are up to it we will discuss all that you would like in terms high and lifted up.

(You seem gifted at entomology. But your thunderings have only scared away a couple of moths. Not very exciting that. Do you really think that you will be able to change this light bulb to yellow? I dare say that even though you may have found someone to do your typing for you success will be only fleeting at best.)

AMH
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 
AMH:

I was taught as a youngster that conversation was a two way street, (you know manners, you do have some don’t you); that if conversation is going to continue with honesty that there will be give and take on both sides.


Caretaker:

You must first speak with clarity, definition, and substantiation, so that the parameters of a positive dialogue may be established.


AMH:

You seem determined to force me to answer you in a way that is in keeping with your lofty position here at the BBS. But before I do so you must come down to my level.

Caretaker:

No lofty position, but several years of postings, and a heart for truth. If you refer to your level of communication, then it is difficult because of the evasive murkiness of your content.

AMH:

Tell me how Esther’s uncle Mordecai is so like your jesus. Then if you are up to it we will discuss all that you would like in terms high and lifted up.

Caretaker:

The subject content is irrelevant to this thread, and the need for clarity in your postings, so that whoever reads your posts might have a clue as to the perspectivbe and parameters of the discussion at hand.

AMH:

(You seem gifted at entomology.

Caretaker:

Not really, as I am not very knowledgeable in the study of insects:
Main Entry: en·to·mol·o·gy
Pronunciation: "en-t&-'mä-l&-jE
Function: noun
Etymology: French entomologie, from Greek entomon insect (from neuter of entomos cut up, from en- + temnein to cut) + French -logie -logy -- more at TOME

AMH:
But your thunderings have only scared away a couple of moths. Not very exciting that. Do you really think that you will be able to change this light bulb to yellow? I dare say that even though you may have found someone to do your typing for you success will be only fleeting at best.)

Caretaker:
Evasion, invective, sarcasm, denigration all serve to reduce the credibility of your postings and leave them murky and rejected. My two old fingers on this keyboard have sufficed these last few years to clarify my position and communicate my perspective. Folks can understand where I stand, and from the Word why I support that particular position.


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Still another rabbit trail, dodging and evading and avoiding.

State clearly that which Christians are teaching, that you feel is in error.

State clearly from the Word why you disagree, AFTER you state what you disagree with.

2 Tim. 3:
16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

AMH you condemn, rebuke, and seek to correct that which you perceive as being error, but you post with confusion, without clarity, without precise substantiation from the Word, and with a tendency to skirt the issues.

Definition, clarity, substance, substantiation, all will assist you AMH in establishing a substantive dialogue, for a change.

Evasion, invective, sarcasm, denigration all serve to reduce the credibility of your postings and leave them murky and rejected.
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
Undertaker,

I was saddened to learn of the demise of your comparison of Mordecai to the real Jesus.

My deepest heart felt condolences. (So sorry that you and I will not be conversing directly.)

AMH
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 
AMH:

Undertaker,

I was saddened to learn of the demise of your comparison of Mordecai to the real Jesus.

My deepest heart felt condolences. (So sorry that you and I will not be conversing directly.)

AMH

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Caretaker:
Definition, clarity, substance, substantiation, all will assist you AMH in establishing a substantive dialogue, for a change.

Evasion, invective, sarcasm, denigration all serve to reduce the credibility of your postings and leave them murky and rejected.
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
Retrotaker,

The heathen think that by their vain repetition that God will answer.

AMH
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 
James 1:
5: If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6: But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
There is an attempt, (how ever feeble) to deny the truth.

Timetaker is really saying that he is not susceptible to the same mistakes of the early Church. Probably he does not recognize sound history.

Here we go-

The Roman Catholic Church under Emperor Constantine wedded the dominate mythology of the day to Christian thought. They had a very specific idea in mind when they did it.

But like the ancient Jews, mythology is forbidden to them.

Timetaker wants us to believe that he is above even this mistake.

Sorry Timetaker, foiled again.

AMH
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 
AMH:

There is an attempt, (how ever feeble) to deny the truth.

Timetaker is really saying that he is not susceptible to the same mistakes of the early Church. Probably he does not recognize sound history.

Here we go-

The Roman Catholic Church under Emperor Constantine wedded the dominate mythology of the day to Christian thought. They had a very specific idea in mind when they did it.

But like the ancient Jews, mythology is forbidden to them.

Timetaker wants us to believe that he is above even this mistake.

Sorry Timetaker, foiled again.

AMH

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Well as AMH,(Always Muddled Hermeneutics), Hermie has pointed out, Constantine and the Roman Catholic Church has taditionally compromised with the pagans in certain festivals and practices, ie. Easter, Christmas, All Saints Day, etc. Hermie got one right.

As usual Hermie continues with his usual invective-riddled diatribe. Hermie accuses us of feeling ourselves to be above the common error, without once dealing with specifics nor substantive evidence which leads Hermie to his supposition.

Come on Hermie. Specifics. Definitions. Scriptural evidences. Clarity, not invective riddled accusation without substance, will lend credibility to your position.

John 14:
26: But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

2 Peter 3:
5: And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17: Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18: But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

2 Tim 3:
13: But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14: But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15: And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

One is led through his innumerable accusatory posts, his use of sarcastic invective, and lack of scriptural substantiation, if Hermie is more reliant upon God's Word as a yardstick of truth, or a supposed angle of accusatory rhetoric against the Brethren. Then again true and effective discourse would require Hermie to establish a declared foundation of substance, rather than a shifting sand of railing accusation.

The Barbarians found it far easier to destroy then to preserve and operate constructively.


Proverbs 15:
1 A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.

2 The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.

3 The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

4 A wholesome F66 tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit.

5 A fool despiseth his father's instruction: but he that regardeth reproof is prudent.

6 In the house of the righteous is much treasure: but in the revenues of the wicked is trouble.

7 The lips of the wise disperse knowledge: but the heart of the foolish doeth not so.

8 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is his delight.

9 The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.

10 Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
 

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Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
AMH: It is very sad because your intended point in this tread to show how the devil blinds is lost in your lack of spiritual fruit in dealing with others.

You are right the devil does manipulate the word and use it with a cavalier attitude, but I assure you that Caretaker is not among those who do this.

Further, in many years on this board with him, I have seen him respond out of his flesh only once and I see that in you with almost every post. You have now resorted to name calling and addressing a brother of Christ and Son of the living God with outright contempt and disrespect and disregard. You should be ashamed.

I really had high hopes for this tread for in it there was a thread of truth. Semantics do matter. It was Eve's very statement "God said we are not to touch" that allowed the devil to know without a doubt that Eve did not know what God had said.

There are many here who need to get hold of that. The devil blinds my misrepresenting, misusing, misapplying the Words of God in the minds of men.

But you will have to come down from your place of condescention to get that or anyother point across.

And as to Mordecai... you have vaild points in that discussion.

The comparison of Christ to Mordacai was my submission, not Drew's and was intended only in this sense: I do not discount the things that you have said as to why He is not a good literaly comparison, but I do think that the alligory is there in the story of Mordecai:

Modecai was to Esther her blood relation, the brother of her father.

Jesus is to the Hebrews, their blood relation the brother of their fathers.

Mordecai was the decendant of the First Earthly King of Israel.

Jesus is the decendant of THE heavenly King of Israel.

It was not known to the earthly king of the Persians over Israel that Esther was a Jew and a Hebrew.

It is not known to the earthly kings over Israel that the lost sheep of the house of Israel are Hebrews.

Mordecai took Esther as his daughter and in doing so, she would become his heir and earthly queen over their people.

Through Christ, the Iraelites that have become orphaned from the family of God are adopted into the family of God.... the stick that is in the hand of Ephrahim is being united with the stick that is in the hand of Judah.

Mordecai was exhalted to a place of esteem among his people... so shall Christ be.

I am going to stop there. I realize that we have different views of eschatology and perhaps also of the position of Israel... though I am not sure, and I again do not argue the points you brought out about Mordecai. I just think that it making the statement that Jesus is in the book of Esther our Mordecai I make a comparison of different things than you point out.

Moses, is in the exodus compared allegorically to Christ, and yet Moses is a murderer; Moses does not enter the promised land; Moses does not sanctify God before the people and instead strikes the rock twice and the rock was Christ... so literally speaking Moses is no Christ... but allegorically speaking Jesus is our Moses in Dueteronomy and Exodus.

You may not agree with my point, but I hope that at least you can see it.

I pray that God will speak to your spirit and you will stop this garbage that you are running around here slewing at God's children that the focus that you have heaped to yourself might be turned to Christ and what He perhaps has given you to share might be heard. It does not edify that you run around here calling names and being condescending and ugly and fleshy to the brethren. If you possess some understanding of God and the scriptures that is lacking it is given to you for the sharing and not for the belittling of others. It is fine to show how the words of God are twisted and they are twisted. It is not fine for you to be rude and act like a heathen mocking people's screen names and railing unsubstatiated accusations.

I am here now to bear witness that what my brother Drew says is true; your posting is not always clear and is often overshaddowed by your seemily pompus personal attacks and demeaning remarks to others. your posts often appear as though you feel you have some great and secret understanding of God that the rest of us do not have and cannot have and the truth is that if any of us has any understanding at all in the truth it is because of God's mercy and grace that HE has shown us in spite of ourselves and not because we are something to be puffed up about....if he has shown us, HE will show others as HE is not a respector of persons but a rewarder of those who seek.
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 
Amen Sis!!!!!

Satan is the great deceiver, and he has led so many astray through deception and compromise. It is only through the Grace of God and through His Word that one can perceive the truth.

In the Book of Esther Mordecai is in many ways a type for Christ.

He adopts Esther, we become the children of God through the spirit of adoption.

It is Haman who is the enemy, a type for Satan against Mordecai.

Mordecai does not bow down and worship. Jesus did not bow down and worship.

Est. 3:6
And he thought scorn to lay hands on Mordecai alone; for they had shewed him the people of Mordecai: wherefore Haman sought to destroy all the Jews that were throughout the whole kingdom of Ahasuerus, even the people of Mordecai.

Esther 3:6
And when he learned of Mordecai's ethnic identity, Haman decided not to do away with Mordecai alone. He set out to destroy all of Mordecai's people, the Jews, throughout Ahasuerus' kingdom.


Esther 10:
1: And the king Ahasuerus laid a tribute upon the land, and upon the isles of the sea.
2: And all the acts of his power and of his might, and the declaration of the greatness of Mordecai, whereunto the king advanced him, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Media and Persia?
3: For Mordecai the Jew was next unto king Ahasuerus, and great among the Jews, and accepted of the multitude of his brethren, seeking the wealth of his people, and speaking peace to all his seed.

Isaiah 11:
1: And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
2: And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
3: And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
4: But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5: And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
6: The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7: And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8: And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9: They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
10: And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Zech. 14:
8: And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9: And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Mordecai saved the Jews, the people of Mordecai. Jesus has saved His people, the Body of Christ.

One sees so many types and foreshadows throughout the Word. The Lord Jesus Christ from Genesis to Revelation.

God bless you Sis.
 

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Posted by BORN AGAIN (Member # 5) on :
 
Dear sister helpforhomeschoolers, how are you sister? You also write:

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It was Eve's very statement "God said we are not to touch" that allowed the devil to know without a doubt that Eve did not know what God had said. {bold by BORN AGAIN}

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But didn't God say, "You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil". In other for Eve to "eat of it", Eve knows that she has to "touch it", so I think she can legally and correctly say, "God told us not to touch the tree".

Well, actually, now that I think more about it, maybe they were allowed to touch the tree, even to feel the fruit of it, but "not to eat of it".

"For in the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die", and not "in the day that you touch it you shall surely die". So the Devil at least knew that Eve had added something to the truth.

Interesting thoughts. Thanks for setting that off in me.

God blessings to all on this CBBS, I am BORN AGAIN by the
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
Caretaker (of whom we do not know, of what we do know),

You want us to believe that you are immune to the onslaughts of the peculiar intellect.

But your own words belie the fact that you are easily infected.

You really know a lot about mythology, (that is whether you realize it or not).

And if it were not so sad it would be comical.

Let us have a little grammar school lesson shall we-

Hermes was the son of Zeus the fastest of the ancient gods, (known more commonly to us by the name Mercury).

Caretaker (of whom we do not know, of what we do know), references the mythological god by invoking the word hermeneutics, (a very sophisticated word that actually means nothing because if you follow this swift moving “thought process” it leads absolutely no where), but he, Caretaker (of whom we do not know, of what we do know) needs desperately to be looked up to so he, Caretaker (of whom we do not know, of what we do know) pulls the sophistication card, (you know, those rumpled cards that were mentioned in the original post to this thread) to use on all of us.

But “sound” hermeneutics is just more of the “forbidden fruit” that Caretaker, (of whom we do not know, of what we do know) is beginning to realize that that is what this particular thread is all about. Very good Caretaker (of whom we do not know, of what we do know)-

But so sorry, you are foiled once more.

AMH
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
helpforhomeschoolers,

So you finally found the time to address your claim that Esther’s uncle compares favorably to Jesus our Messiah.

But before we go there, (for me, again- for you who knows how many times) let us look at your veiled, (not very well) insinuation that I am not a Christian because I do not give you and your tag team members the dignity that you seem to think that you command.

First of all you take phony names in order to pretend to be something that you are not. Then you pretend to be highly educated, (but in fact the only gift that you have is the ability to cut and paste).

Then after years of this type of behavior you suppose that you can belittle the Savior by comparing Christ to the morbid Mordecai.

Just tell me one thing if you can-

What gives you the right?

AMH
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 
Well AME(Always Murky Hermeneutics), Hermie you are right back at it again with the invective and irrelevant sarcasm, with neither substance nor merit.

Main Entry: her·me·neu·tics
Pronunciation: -tiks
Function: noun plural but singular or plural in construction
: the study of the methodological principles of interpretation (as of the Bible)

One can communicate clearly and effectively when one uses: Specifics, Definitions, Scriptural evidences. Clarity, not invective riddled accusation without substance, will lend credibility to your position Hermie.

I utilize the English language, Hermie. You are the one that seems quite enamored with the Greek/Roman/Norse mythological.

It in no way belittles our Lord and Savior to point-out the prophetic types and forshadows, nor to connote the attributes of Christ as emphasized throughout the Old Testament. Jesus is our all-in-all, from Genesis to Revelations. Just as Esther is a type for the Church, certain attributes of Mordecai are a type for Christ in the Book of Esther.

And by the way Hermie I am Caretaker for a lake and park, and of those who gather there. Just so that now you might know, not that you care.
 

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Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 

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helpforhomeschoolers,

So you finally found the time to address your claim that Esther’s uncle compares favorably to Jesus our Messiah.

But before we go there, (for me, again- for you who knows how many times) let us look at your veiled, (not very well) insinuation that I am not a Christian because I do not give you and your tag team members the dignity that you seem to think that you command.

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First of all you take phony names in order to pretend to be something that you are not. Then you pretend to be highly educated, (but in fact the only gift that you have is the ability to cut and paste).

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Then after years of this type of behavior you suppose that you can belittle the Savior by comparing Christ to the morbid Mordecai.

Just tell me one thing if you can-

What gives you the right?

AMH

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Caretaker (of whom we do not know, of what we do know), references the mythological god by invoking the word hermeneutics, (a very sophisticated word that actually means nothing because if you follow this swift moving “thought process” it leads absolutely no where), but he, Caretaker (of whom we do not know, of what we do know) needs desperately to be looked up to so he, Caretaker (of whom we do not know, of what we do know) pulls the sophistication card, (you know, those rumpled cards that were mentioned in the original post to this thread) to use on all of us.

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Other than that, AMH, I am not quite into the human mind as you seem to be, although you may be quite brilliant and trying others to join in, but the Spirit of God is also easy and comforting so I don't spend as much time in the human mind's abilities as you seem to be.

In other words, though I may be humanly intelligent, AMH, I am willing to "deny myself" and use the Holy Spirit's easy and simple and comfortable expressions to get His point across.

I haven't participated much in this Topic, eventhough the Topic "has" gone on for a long time, and it's probably that, for the cause of Christ, I find your writing to be a bit unnecessarily esoteric--like you're fishing with Albacore Tuna instead of sardines.

I like Albacore Tuna, AMH, don't get me wrong, your quote above to Caretaker made me LOL, but mix it with the sauce of mercy and of compassion and of lovingkindness and justice, and it can be loved easier; because most of us are dwelling at the sardine + the Holy Spirit level.

God bless, BORN AGAIN
 

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Posted by BORN AGAIN (Member # 5) on :
 
Dear AMH, after posting the above post, I read a couple more posts, and I do think that "as a Christian" you have an obligation to be more "soft-hearted" in your approach to your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.

I don't doubt for a moment that you are a very bright Christian, the Holy Spirit is probably working on your natural brightness, to get it tempered "with mercy" and "with compassion" and "with lovingkindess".

Did not Paul say that if we have not "charity" we are still as "tinkling brass".

AMH, mix mercy and compassion and lovingkindness and thankfulness with your natural brilliance and you will be allright.

But if you insist on talking the way you "have" been talking, your posts will generate unnecessary resistance. Deny yourself your brilliance for the cause of Christ and speak kindly to your brothers and sisters in Christ.


May the LORD God of Israel bless this CBBS and enlarge it, amen? I am BORN AGAIN by the of Yahshua-Jesus of Bethlehem-Judah, of the family of David, as Micah 5:2 said.

God bless, BORN AGAIN
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
BORN AGAIN,

I am not arguing with you.

AMH
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
Tag Team,

Do you remember reading about Peter trying to defend Jesus by drawing his sword and wounding another?

Jesus rebuked Peter.

Do you know why Jesus would rebuke someone that was trying to be “helpful”?

Because the Truth does not need defending.

(If I came to you, butter dripping from my lips, then you would call me your friend and tell all what a nice little Christian boy AMH really is, [and it would not really matter what was behind those lips].)

Let me decipher another riddle-

Caretaker is not caring so much for other human beings, his main concern is with the care of a broken down decrepit bed ridden belief system. He defends this sorry belief system because it can no longer stand on its own two feet, (its knees have given out). And then Caretaker complains that AMH is not playing fair because he does not defend any system.

I do not have to defend. The Truth needs no such. The Truth requests no such. The Truth rejects all such. The Truth not only must stand on its own two feet-

It does stand on its own two feet.

(Of course we must be able to give a reason for our faith. But that is no defense.)

I did not address anyone at the beginning of this thread. You came here looking for a fight. My premise was a simple statement that mythology is a draw to men and women. It has been that way since the beginning and continues right up to the present.

I can accept that you do not like me. So take my humanity and consider me sort of like a mirror.

I leave this thread not in defeat for you are the ones defeated. (This is no gloat, I am crying.)

AMH
 

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Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
Well, I think that BA you've hit the nail on the head. AMH is far to brilliant a mind for my brain to follow. I need elementary organization of thought and while I love a mystery, as a mystery can be discoverd by plodding along step by step as HE lights the path; I have never liked riddles where you are just supposed to pull the solution out of thin air and I hate having to make assumptions or presumptions about what you think someone is saying. Nope, just not brilliant enough for that.

Thanks BA for helping me understand what my problem. I simply an unable to contribute anything intelligent here and am too dull of mind to follow the brilliance of the brilliant. I mean really, now I hear that we are defeated and I did not even know that there was an enemy in here.

I think I shall go back and read my Bible instead. God who is merciful meets me where I am there.
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
helpforhomeschoolers,

Yes you should go back and read your Bible. You see, if God had intended for your interpretation to be taken by us as equal to the inspired Word then He would have had it written down and placed in the Record Book for all to examine, (instead of just a wee spirit like me).

AMH
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 
Nothing but obtuse invective from the Always Murky Hermeneutics. Not one iota of definition, substance, clarity, in order to facilitate a viable dialogue.

Like the blind man who rants and raves and curses the dark, and no one hears him, because they are walking in the light and he crouches all alone and does not fathom.
 

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Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 

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Yes you should go back and read your Bible. You see, if God had intended for your interpretation to be taken by us as equal to the inspired Word then He would have had it written down and placed in the Record Book for all to examine, (instead of just a wee spirit like me).

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This is not true of you of course!
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
helpforhomeschoolers,

Take the Word as given.

There is a curse that says adding and/or subtracting is a no no.

Or does this curse only apply to those that disagree with the pride of the BBS?

It should be obvious to you that you are in a fight because you know so much about Eve. (She did not understand that the snake was trying to destroy her and the focus of her bow, thereby including us in the fight.)

The peculiar intellect has been defeated at the cross.

His, (the peculiar intellect’s) defeat was utter.

It took a miracle for him to rise up from the ashen heap.

But was it such a miracle? Only if you call deceit one.

AMH
 

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Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
AMH: Your brilliance is too much for me; I have no idea what you have said.

I dont know about peculiar intellect, that is not in my Bible.

I dont know who has risen from an ashen heap. I dont believe that deception is a miracle but I do not either know what you are taking about.

I dont know who has added to the word. I dont know who it is that you think is the "pride" of this bbs.

I am not in a fight with anyone here and you have claimed me defeated.

If you are speaking here about the fight in the heavenlies... I have read the book and I know whose the battle is and who has already one and I am resting in HIM, so again I have no idea of what you speak.

I just am not brilliant enough myself to follow you. I sincerely hope that it is nothing earth shattering that you are trying to convey, because if it is then I am in trouble as I dont get it. IF you really want me to follow you then you are going to have to speak less intellectually to me. If you just want to rant at someone, rant on; enjoy yourself. I am pleased to have been of service.


 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
helpforhomeschoolers,

That is too bad. But there is still hope and help.

The peculiar intellect is at his best when a person does not recognize who they are dealing with-

A serpent in the garden
An angel of light
A king of Tyre
A prophet
Even one of the twelve

He, the peculiar intellect, comes to you in sheep’s clothing with “good words and fair speeches” in order to deceive the “hearts of the simple”.

17) Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18) For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
19) For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
20) And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen. (Romans 16:17-20)

Even though you are trying your hand at sarcasm, you admit that there is a touch of the simple present. Exactly what the peculiar intellect requires to proceed.

AMH

Before signing off I would ask a question of you-

I thought that the “seed of the woman” was going to “bruise” the head of the “serpent”?

Why then does the Apostle Paul write that God will bruise Satan under our feet in the above passage?
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
There can be no debate that men of the stock of ancient Greece such as for example Pythagorean were highly intelligent. These people could discover the atom using only the intellect. It would not be hard to conclude that deceiving them and keeping them deceived would take imagination and intricacy. “Solid” proof would be of foremost importance. On top of that they would need to stay very busy so that they would not have the time to recognize what was being done to them.
 

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Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
Wow! You do have the ability to construct an orderly thought and present it in a way that even a simple minded person can understand it. There is indeed hope.

Let me say to you that I am not attempting sarcasim; if I am sarcastic, it is a remnant of my flesh, as I was once a very sarcastic person, or it is my wierd sort of wry sense of humor. Since I dont know the specific instance that you speak of I will leave that to you to decide. If you feel it was the former rather than the later then I apologize and hope you will accept.

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The peculiar intellect is at his best when a person does not recognize who they are dealing with-

A serpent in the garden
An angel of light
A king of Tyre
A prophet
Even one of the twelve

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He, the peculiar intellect, comes to you in sheep’s clothing with “good words and fair speeches” in order to deceive the “hearts of the simple”.

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Even though you are trying your hand at sarcasm, you admit that there is a touch of the simple present. Exactly what the peculiar intellect requires to proceed.

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I thought that the “seed of the woman” was going to “bruise” the head of the “serpent”?

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Why then does the Apostle Paul write that God will bruise Satan under our feet in the above passage?

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“I dont see him as an intellect, but as a spirit being. Intellect does not have material boundries a Spirit being does. We know that Satan is not an intellect, but a spirit being with material boundires as he is able to be chained and thrown into a lake of fire.”

Don’t you get this idea from extending your stance on “literalism”?

A spirit such as Satan cannot be bounded by material of any sort.

Where does God ever give Satan a fleshly body that can be tied up with a physical chain?

The problem here is that “literalism” breaks down as it is applied to the entire Word. (By doing this you begin to lose credibility. My suggestion is that you stop immediately.)

Also, changing the words of our Text is not in keeping with the doctrine of inerrancy. By doing this you must then take the position that the Word as it was first given was inerrant but what we have been given is not inerrant.

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As per the fall there was in short time set up an apparatus politico. It surrounds us and even exudes from us. Even here at this website lies just beneath eye level the pecking order if you will. The Greeks had it, then the Romans, then the Roman Catholics and then the Protestants, the Protestants a broken clan whose ball bounces to and fro from time to time and tomb to tomb. But even this situation is not lasting as John Nobody longs for the day when the ball returns to him.

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“So did he good to none, to many ill,/So did he all the kingdom rob and pill,/Yet none durst speak, no none durst of him plain,/So great he was in grace and rich in gain."

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There is a mind behind this spirit, so called, that even plans ahead for various outcomes. Mainly this spirit mind infiltrates in order to dominate. Usually the dominated are defeated without knowing it. If the defeated knew about the domination they would strive to overcome, (not the sort of thing that would be pleasing to the peculiar intellect).

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Believers are to overcome the wicked one. This often costs. Costs dearly. If you are not willing to pay then certainly you will not play.

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Before you opened this “conversation” with me I found several slipups on your part. Then in the last few postings you admit to one, (I asked you to desist at that point) and then another, (guess you were not paying attention-you know-credibility). These last few you give the excuse that it was the only way.

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You do not seem able to follow the rules. (What else is there that you would like to confess before I tell you all that your heart desires?)

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I think that our “conversation” is over. What do you think, (any scripture that you would like to quote-probably something on forgiveness my guess).

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You seem mighty stuck on Ezekiel, (one of the better Diaspora). Here is some more from the very modern, New Testament type of writing by the good prophet-

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“Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel? For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.”

Do you like that one helpforhomeschoolers?

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Just like the Greeks and Romans, Israel was not immune to mythology; they worshipped just like all the other nations round about them. And yes animal worship played a big part. Israel worshipped sheep and dogs and foxes and wild geese and lions etc, etc, etc. (Please do not ask me to prove this, you look foolish enough already), nothing special about Israel.

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The peculiar intellect dominated Greece, Rome, Israel, and he the peculiar intellect dominates the nations today.

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There is a very specific reason why the peculiar intellect runs roughshod. But of course, those responsible do not accept what is rightfully theirs.

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The Greeks were deceived, the Romans were deceived, and Israel was absolutely deceived, I am sure that you would say that the Roman Catholics were deceived. What makes you think that you are not deceived?

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I know, because you read the Bible, (or better, someone reads it for you).

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Just who do you think has read and studied the Holy Book more than anyone? And he certainly is deceived. Besides, you are willing to change the unchangeable just to meet your ever changing standards.

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(You sign off with the same insipid passage as though you are that prophet. Ezekiel wrote an entire volume, do you quote only what you like? Give us the full Ezekiel not some little tid bit to tide us over until the next great encounter. Do you claim that we are to follow what Ezekiel said or not? If so then boy have you got problems. Why don’t you just drop the Ezekiel stuff while you are ahead?)

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While I am ahead of what? Well at least I know why you think I am partial to Ezekiel. Most of your comment above is too foolish to respond to. I realize that you have a problem with people displaying scripture on their signatures. That scripture became my signature when the Lord God almighty spoke to my spirit that it should be proclaimed here. If you have a problem with that you need to take it up with HIM. I have witnessed you to speak on the very same situation here that God was speaking to me about when he gave me that scripture to proclaim. Were you not led by the Spirit in doing so? Now you dare speak against the leading of the Holy Spirit in my life? How do you know you are not deceived AMH? Do you know all things AMH... Is there no darkness in your mirror? No sin? No arrogance or pride? No corruption of your own wisdom? No carnality in your flesh or the mind thereof? No leaning on your own understandings?


Do you like Chaucer?

"The greatest scholars are not usually the wisest people."
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 
Little minds mistake little objects for great ones, and lavish away upon the former that time and attention which only the latter deserve. To such mistakes we owe the numerous and frivolous tribe of insect-mongers, shell-mongers, and pursuers and driers of butterflies, etc. The strong mind distinguishes, not only between the useful and the useless, but likewise between the useful and the curious.

(Philip Dormer Stanhope, 4th Earl Chesterfield (1694-1773)


"To God's revealed message men must humbly submit.... I believe that this 'let him become a fool' is one of the hardest words of Scripture to the proud hearts and minds of men. Like the brilliant intellectuals of ancient Greece our contemporaries have unbounded confidence in...human reason. They want to think their way to God by themselves, and to gain credit for discovering God by their own effort. But God resists such swellings of pride on the part of the finite creature. Of course men have been given minds to use, and they are never to stifle or smother them, but they must humble them reverently before the revelation of God, becoming in Paul's word 'fools' and in Christ's word 'babes'. It is only babes to whom God reveals himself, and only fools whom he makes wise." Stott, John R.W. The Preacher's Portrait. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdman's, 1961, p. 99.


Interesting to peruse Hermie's attempt at weaving a facade of intellectual superiority through obscure and obtuse invective. I have known those who would walk a mile to travel a foot. Those so enamored with their own intellect that they refuse to post with clarity, substantiation, or substance. Spun sugar with empty air produces a great deal of cotton candy, fluff without substance, sweet to the palate but harmful to the Body.

Definition. Clarity. Substance. Substantiation.
 

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Posted by BORN AGAIN (Member # 5) on :
 
Dear AMH, you are obviously quite bright, but brightness can be a sin too you know when it's not properly mixed with mercy and compassion and the simplicity which is in Christ Jesus.

Is the object not to be a fisher of men and hence to deny our grand intellect and speak plainly so that persons needing to hear the good news of Jesus Christ can understand what is being said?

Denying ourselves means also simplifying our intellect into useful, easy-to-understand presentations, so that it is not "just" about us, but being about the Father's business with simplicity unto salvation.

God bless, BORN AGAIN
 

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Posted by Carmela (Member # 4817) on :
 
AMH said:

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(You sign off with the same insipid passage as though you are that prophet. Ezekiel wrote an entire volume, do you quote only what you like? Give us the full Ezekiel not some little tid bit to tide us over until the next great encounter. Do you claim that we are to follow what Ezekiel said or not? If so then boy have you got problems. Why don’t you just drop the Ezekiel stuff while you are ahead?)

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ha ha ha ! Well, Praise God at least we now know that your are hinding in the right place Drew! If one is going to hide at least he should be hid in the right place!!!!!

Colossians 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

You gotta love God - The enemy seeks to use one to curse His people and all they can do is bless!




That was really good AMH!
 

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Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :
 
You are My Hiding Place
Words and Music by Michael Ledner
© 1981 Maranatha! Music
Psalm 32:7
"Thou art my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble;
thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah."


You are my hiding place,
You always fill my heart with songs of deliverance.
Whenever I am afraid, I will trust in You.
I will trust in You.
Let the weak say I am strong in the strength of my Lord.

(repeat 3 times)

(tag)
I will trust in You!
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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
Terrible Twos,

Your standards are just too high for me. I give up in disgrace!

But wait-

God did give me the ability to read-

English no less. Hurray, I even have in my possession a Bible of all things. And this Bible just so happens to have a standard of its own. What joy.

It claims a standard also. And I can compare your standard to its standard.

Wow. Because of such deviations one of these standards must needs be thrown out.

(Would you two be willing to compare what you have written with the standard in the Bible and take the consequences meeted out in the Biblical way? If you will I will.)

AMH
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 
God bless you Sister Linda and Sister Betty!!

Thank you Linda, and one is in good company when one "hides behind the Word", LOL.





Mt 4:4 -
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Mt 4:7 -
Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Mt 4:10 -
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Mt 11:10 -
For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

Mt 21:13 -
And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Mt 26:24 -
The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

Mt 26:31 -
Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.

Mr 1:2 -
As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

Mr 7:6 -
He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

Mr 9:12 -
And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.

Mr 9:13 -
But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.

Mr 11:17 -
And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Mr 14:21 -
The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.

Mr 14:27 -
And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.


Lu 3:4 -
As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

Lu 4:4 -
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Lu 4:8 -
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Lu 7:27 -
This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

Lu 19:46 -
Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Lu 24:46 -
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Joh 6:31 -
Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

Joh 6:45 -
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Joh 8:17 -
It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.


Lets face it God's Word stands, and all who follow Christ Jesus our Lord must honor His Word in their hearts and in their lives. The fruit of the Brethren will be judged against the Word.


2 Tim. 3:
13: But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14: But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15: And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

May God so bless His precious children, our beloved Brethren in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 
AMH:

English no less. Hurray, I even have in my possession a Bible of all things. And this Bible just so happens to have a standard of its own. What joy.

It claims a standard also. And I can compare your standard to its standard.

Wow. Because of such deviations one of these standards must needs be thrown out.

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Wow for three pages you have been asked to do so, and continued to avoid doing so like the plague.

It would be beneficial to compare belief and practice with the Word of God, with substance, clarity, definition, within context, without obtuse accusation.
 

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Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 

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The terrible twos, (Caretaker and helpforhomeschoolers) would like very much to have us believe that their way is The Way. First the terrible twos fiddle then they belittle and all the while they whittle. We need not worry as their bark is much and their bite is crutch.

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You have the corner around here on fiddling and belittling AMH. I came into this thread because you were ruthlessly belittling Hisgrace. I dont always agree, in fact I rarely agree with Hisgrace and I might even think that she twists a scripture or wrangles it out of context, but no one should have to go through what you were doing to her in this thread and had done to her in another that I saw; it is one thing to attack one's doctine if you can and are willing to substantiate your claim with the Word, that people hear the truth and be moved by the Spirit of God to understand it, but it is quite another to rail against one's person for no other purpose but to puff yourself up in your own perverted mind and hurt them. It was my hope that to encourage you to speak what you had to speak without your railing insults. You have done little else in this thread or any other since being on this board than to insult people. What an absolute tragic waste. Rant to yourself AMH, I will engage with you no longer. I hope no one else does either. You should have the last word that you can officially set stamp and seal upon the documentation of your vain and perverted wisdom for all to see.
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
Maybe you did not see my offer? Maybe you ignore my offer? But my offer stands.

Shall we compare our writings to the Word?

Or is silence really golden?
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
I want to say something about HisGrace for the record.

HisGrace is an honest and sincere person that I respect.

AMH
 

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Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :
 
AMH

You put your self on a pedestal of superior intelligence. I have no intention of knocking you off of your pedestal. Me, I would rather be the most slow thinker in Heaven then the most intelligent person in hell. I have no problem with your self appraisal of intellectual superiority, but I do have a problem with how you look down on others and seek to destroy them with your words that needlessly cause pain to others.
You are arrogant and cruel and this is totally unnecessary. The Lord can bring more sinners to him using the simplest person than he can by someone like you who look down on all as somehow less worthy than yourself. You look down on others, but the truth is most people feel only pity for you. You might want to stop patting your self on the back for your intelligence and began to spend more time on your knees in prayer.
betty
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
TexasGrandma,

I sincerely want you to know that it is good to hear from you once again. Yes I am still in to it with some here.

If you per chance misread my posting on hiding, it was not a mean meaning, as we must as you so rightly say hide in our Savior. But my meaning was lost on the mean. Even though we may look through a glass darkly someday face to face.

Nothing but kindness to you and yours dear lady.

AMH
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
The reason for the existence of this thread is to point out the fact that we humans have a sweet tooth for mythology, in what ever form you may like.

Mythology seems to be as much a part of our make up as politics. As a matter of fact politics and religion makes much use of mythology for just this very reason.

The peculiar intellect would not be so formidable if he neglected the basic premise of war-

Knowledge of the enemy.

The only group that I can find that so whole heartedly denies its weaknesses is the deceived.

Do you enjoy being a victim?

Until the next thread victor.

AMH
 

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Posted by BORN AGAIN (Member # 5) on :
 
We humans have a sweet tooth for mythology? When I met the living Christ, I gave up mythology. Didn't you, AMH?

I know the heathen like mythology because anything that can make unsaved humans "seem" to be "superior" to all those other "dumber" humans, that's how it is done, to "set oneself off from the crowd" so that perhaps "one gets noticed". That's the devil's way. In the Devil's music bands, the weirder one can look, for instance, the "better".

But not so with the Lord. Mythology is far inferior to the Living Lord and like the devil's movies, books, and ancient history, it all fades into oblivion compared to the Living Christ.

Just "say no" to mythology.

God bless, BORN AGAIN
 

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Posted by Carmela (Member # 4817) on :
 
AMH I'm in bible school, not math school. However, I still see nothing wrong with HFHS's quote.

Like the others, I find you hard to understand sometimes. I'm sure glad Jesus didn't make it so hard to understand the truth. In that time, they didn't understand because they didn't know what was going to happen in the future, but Jesus never spoke a word that no one could understand.
 

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Posted by BORN AGAIN (Member # 5) on :
 
Carmela writes

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but Jesus never spoke a word that no one could understand.

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But He did speak in parables so that "hearing they would not understand"

Matthew 13:13
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

God bless, BORN AGAIN
 

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Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 

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Originally posted by helpforhomeschoolers:
I came into this thread because you were ruthlessly belittling Hisgrace. I dont always agree, in fact I rarely agree with Hisgrace and I might even think that she twists a scripture or wrangles it out of context

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Whoa, that is getting rather personal don't you think?

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I want to say something about HisGrace for the record.
HisGrace is an honest and sincere person that I respect. AMH

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Thanks AMH. Coming from you that's a real compliment.
 

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Posted by BORN AGAIN (Member # 5) on :
 
I like HisGrace, she and I agree often. So how can I also often agree with helpforhomechoolers AND HisGrace when helpforhomeschoolers and HisGrace disagree often? I dunno.

We'all gots our favorites, don't we? Sorry, I'm into ebonics tonight.

God bless, BORN AGAIN
 

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Posted by HisGrace (Member # 3438) on :
 
helpforhomeschoolers and I disagree and then we agree to disagree, but oh no we disagree again, but when will we ever give up and agree to disagree - never.
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
Carmela,

OK, like most of the other perfectos you may not appreciate my humidor. But really, you do not get what helpforhomeschoolers is doing with the Word? (Maybe your bible school is also home based, I never thought of that, sorry.) So I’ll SPLAIN it to you, without any slang if that is acceptable-

helpforhomeschoolers only brings the part that helps their cause, not the whole story. Ezekiel most definitely preaches that a person can lose their salvation.

Did you get that Carmela? Ezekiel preaches against once saved always saved. There is no denying that.

But of course their answer to that one is that you must interpret in light of the New Testament.

Then how come they don’t interpret Haman in light of the New Testament?

Because it does not help their cause. That’s why.

Here at the bottom we call that duplicity. Sorry for the big word, I simply forgot about your alma mater. How about false doctrine. Do you understand that one?

AMH
 

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Posted by BORN AGAIN (Member # 5) on :
 
AMH, this one is for you:

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John 16:29
His disciples said to Him, Look, now you speak plainly, and speak no proverbs.

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God bless, BORN AGAIN
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
BORN AGAIN,

That you believe your immunity is sure, (concerning the mythology) I would extend for a short space…………………………………………………………………………………


The Bible does sometimes make allowances for the archaic. There is the antiquated story of Saul before he became King-

I Samuel 9:9 gives the word “seer” as being out dated.

How did this obsolescence come to be?

As the people were given more light the term in question, “seer” fell out of favor for the more robust “prophet”.

The term “seer” landed thus in the domain of the other side so to speak.

And the other side was happy to have it.

In medieval times and before the “seer” had certain methods of obtaining future information. Example-

Specific animals would be dissected with the intent of prophesying based on what the “seer” could determine from its entrails.

The important part, (at least the part that I would have) is that of the dissection.

It does not really matter what the focus of the analysis is. What matters is the dissection.

Example-

Residing in the U.S. government is the high and lofty Supreme Court. Even today its importance is being stressed.

The argument is upon how it, (the Supreme Court) will go about dissecting the Constitution of the United States.

If the Supreme Court dissects the Constitution in a certain way then it, (the Supreme Court) will “see” abortion on demand.

Christians are not immune to this type of behavior. They dissect the Word in order to “see” what they want to “see”.

AMH
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
While we are at it-

There is a very good example of “Christian” dissecting that needs to be mentioned.

How much money would you give for a house beautifully built using all the modern furnishings. Oh did I for get to mention that the house has absolutely no foundation?

That is what certain “believers” here at the BBS want you to buy. They barter the New Testament void of the Old Testament.

What a laugh.

AMH
 

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Posted by AMH (Member # 4895) on :
 
If some in the audience thinks that AMH is at it again with the “laugh” then think again-

Just what do you think that He that sitteth in the heaven is doing and why, (Psalm 2:4)?

(Are the bands a little too tight? Maybe a diet would help. I suggest you eat only of the Lord and leave off the sugar coating. There is that nasty sweet tooth again. Someday we will have to pull it. By the roots.)

AMH
 

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