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I figure well if this can help me out than maybe it can help you out - so there is actually alot of love behind my posts, even though some people can't see it...

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I could certainly see it in that post. As well as the leading of the Spirit!
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Philippians 1:12 - Philippians 1:20 (KJV) 12But I would ye should understand, brethren, that the things which happened unto me have fallen out rather unto the furtherance of the gospel; 13So that my bonds in Christ are manifest in all the palace, and in all other places; 14And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear. 15Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: 16The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: 17But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. 18What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice. 19For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, 20According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.

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I have to say that this is not what I expected. I find myself lately trying to strengthen my faith and find a better understanding of what God has in mind for me. I hoped to find inspiration on some Christian message boards, and this is what I find instead -
people slinging threats of eternal damnation as if it were theirs to give. I may be no Biblical scholar, but I understand enough of God’s word to know that everything you are discussing is simply your interpretation of it. Goodness, how arrogant to sit there and say that you and you alone have the authority to speak for God. And to state “may God strike me dead if I’m wrong” is a little juvenile – not to mention naïve. There is no evidence that God works that way. I believe Jesus is God – and if I’m right let me wake up tomorrow as a millionaire. Seems ridiculous, doesn’t it?

I suppose that message boards themselves have a tendency to create this kind of environment, but it still seems disappointing to me. Aren’t you all Christian? Shouldn’t you be working together to understand God, instead of locking the doors to your bunkers and sniping at each other.

Say what you want about me – this is my first and final post here. I just hope you can settle down and realize that we all come to boards like this looking for help. And if you chase people away with insults and some kind of bizarre grandiosity then you may want to familiarize yourself with at least one more word – hypocrisy.

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I am sorry if my post causes you, Trafield or anybody else affiliated with this board to feel uncomfortable or angry at me.

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let me just discredit Bush for being the Anti-Christ right here and right now:

The Jews will accept the anti-christ as the messiah. That means that in order for that to happen the anti-christ will have to be Jewish. BUSH IS NOT JEWISH. also the anti-christ will come out of the lands of the North of Isreal.
Now unless Bush's past is secreat, I don't think he is either Jewish nor is he from the lands of the North of Isreal

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Bro. Greg:

Allow me to start by saying I am sorry if I hurt your or anybody else’s feelings with my post. I did not intend to offend or hurt anybody.

I can not speak for everybody; but as for myself I can tell you I hope you change your mind about leaving this board. I have had and hopefully will continue to have the pleasure and good fortune of reading your posts and I am interested in you views on most of the subjects I have read or visited. As I stated earlier to Trafield;

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I understood the posts and fully took them NOT as aggressive insults but as injected statements to emphasize the importance of the point being made at the time.

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I am sorry if my post causes you, Trafield or anybody else affiliated with this board to feel uncomfortable or angry at me.

As to rather or not all posts are biblical and/or are not promoting Jesus Christ; only by the constant vigilance by The Followers of Christ can these false teachings be countered. Which takes me right back to what I said before, I hope you change your mind and remain an active and loved part of this board.

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Thanks for your logical comments, Whitesands.
However, I believe we are called to test the spirits so that we can know who is of God, but I agree we are not to judge them. For we were all unsaved at one time, and we all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

Adv. Christian...
I know by your post you were grieved by the tone of these posts. But I wanted to clarify about a quote of mine that you copied on to your post:

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Regardless, I really don't care if you believe if I am a believer or not for God knows who are his. Sorry to burst your bubble

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Are you one of those "many people today" as well? Are you denying that Jesus was God making Him a man just like Paul?

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WHEN you understand 1John you will stop the condemnation of "people" and determine what is "OF GOD".

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If you reject this again then you must think that Jesus is not the SON OF GOD yourself!

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Your view that Satan and his demons don't know who Jesus is, is lame, humanistic understanding of "spirit". Why is it lame? Because you will not listen to the Spirit of God for the answer and understanding. You are to busy going about testing the "people" condemning them when you should be testing the "spirit" determining whether it is "of God" as the scriptures have instructed.

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You parrot these words very well but do you even know what you are saying? Obviously not! If you did you would not be passing judgement upon who is a "christian" or not with your testing!

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Regardless, I really don't care if you believe if I am a believer or not for God knows who are his. Sorry to burst your bubble

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You are the non-beleiver of God's Truth not me. you judged me, and as the scriptrues has says judge not lest ye be condemned, you have made judgement against me for being a non-beleiver, so you are the one that is being judged as a non-beleiver - remember this today you have died, you will no longer find your place in the book of life, because you have beared false witness against the Truth. Wether or not you repented from the time you have gotten to this point God may have mercy on your soul, but if you have been ignorant and stubborn to this point your name is blotted out of the book of life. Only you know what happened. Never ever call someone a non-beleiver again - you DO NOT know the relationship that, that person has with God or the effort and heart and mind and soul and spirit that person gives to God. This was a grave error in your part.

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Cool Trafield! You get a cigar! The scripture didn't say every spirit that confesses...is a christian. It says, "is of God".

So the issue is NOT about who is a christian or not but about what is of God or not. In testing the spirit we determine whether the spirit is OF God! NOT whether the person is a christian or not! NOTE that 1John did not say PERSON but spirit! You seem to equate "spirit" with "person". That is the flaw in the crackerjack testkit.

The scripture makes NO distinction between the "spirit" that confesses either way. It says, "spirit" NOT "human", "demon", or "plant" yet all CONTAIN "spirit" and the conclusion that is looked for is whether it is of GOD or not. NOT whether it is a christian or not. Your testing the spirit is determining whether the "person" is a christian or not. Hense, it is NOT scripturally based because you do not understand 1John at all dear soul!

You parrot these words very well but do you even know what you are saying? Obviously not! If you did you would not be passing judgement upon who is a "christian" or not with your testing! You would be determining if the "spirit" is of God or not.

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1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

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The word "spirit" in EVERY case is the same:

G4151
πνεῦμα
pneuma
pnyoo'-mah

From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit:—ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.

So did the evil spirit know who Jesus was? Sure it did! Did the demon know who Jesus was in the account of the demoniac that went into the swine? Absolutely! Did it not say, "Thou Son of God"? Accept it or not..it DID know who Jesus was. If you reject this again then you must think that Jesus is not the SON OF GOD yourself! For SATAN was the #1 angel and knew who GOD was! If you hold that he didn't know who JESUS was then you say that Jesus is NOT God yourself! Think about it Trafield! Be careful as you test yourself! Remember that you are using your spirit testkit now ok! Do you really want to test yourself with the same testkit you have been testing others with? Doesn't the scriptures say, Do unto others as you would have others do unto you and Love thy neighbor as thyself?

Now, the obvious question is if the evil spirit knew who Jesus was and the demoniac knew who Jesus the Son of God was, and confessed it, then what is 1John talking about? WHEN you understand 1John you will stop the condemnation of "people" and determine what is "OF GOD".

One last thing Trafield and I will leave you to think, but you might be better off praying!

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Very obviously, and whether we like it or not, the Biblical evidence overwhelmingly proves that the Antichrist could only come from the United States of America

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Test this spirit, was this demon or demons christians?


Matthew 8:28 - Matthew 8:29 (KJV) 29And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

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How bout this demon was it a christian?


15And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? 16And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

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• Matthew 8:28 - Matthew 8:29 (KJV) 29And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

• 15And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? 16And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

Beings the spirit once walked in heaven he would obviously know who Jesus was and rightly said, "Jesus, I know".

I think your testkit has a flaw in it Trafield. Maybe you should consider trading it in on a "real" one and stop the testing and condemnation you practice.

A smart man can read a book and build a nuclear bomb, but the same smart man becomes an idiot when he sits on it and pushes the button to detonate it!

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Keep on bearing false witness my brother after all this is what God wants us to do and this is how we enter into eternal life. Like i said you represent the Messiah really well keep up the good will of God and keep doing what your doing and you will have great riches in heaven , keep on preachin your one world government and lead people to the truth that God wants all mankind to hear, remember always worship the Angel over the Creator this is what God wants for us. After all this is how we will be saved from the wrath to come and prepared for the return of Christ by watching CNN.

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Keep on bearing false witness my brother after all this is what God wants us to do and this is how we enter into eternal life.

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If only one scripture referred to Jesus as God, would you not believe that He is God? Would this make it untrue?

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If only one scripture referred to Jesus as God, would you not believe that He is God? Would this make it untrue?

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Aren't we supposed to be concentrating on other things like visiting those in prison, and feeding the hungry, and clothing those who need clothes and making the strangers in our churches feel welcome??? I think Jesus said we should do this cuz not only is it kind and compassionate(so like Him) but these things will make the unsaved listen to us maybe, when we speak of Jesus to them.
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Then I swat you on your bottom and send you on your way.

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You don't understand old elizabean. This passage does indeed talk about the Holy Spirit hindering evil. And as long as the Spirit remains in the world the antichrist will not be reveiled.

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By my posts that i have made on this message board since i came, you can't tell whether or not i beleive that Jesus is the Christ and that all eyes will see him and every knee will bow down and worship him, than yes YOU are BLIND. who is the one that just made a post saying Jesus is the Wisdom of God and no one responded, i have made several posts dedicated to the magnifecence and glory that Jesus is, and no one responds or has anything else to add or say and your saying i am a non-beleiver?

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I don't know that this is true but I have heard that America would be more effected by the rapture than any other Country. Of course there are Christians all over the world but probably more Christians in America than any other Country.
After the rapture there will be alot of people gone in goverenement and this could weaken the control that America has over the world. Or the influnece. Plus the world will be in such a panic that when the anit christ comes on the scene every country will give into him pretty easily.

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Furthermore, to say that the Holy Spirit lets iniquity continue until he is taken away makes no sense. If the Holy Spirit is letting the iniquity work now, He would not have to go away to cause further iniquity.

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