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KnowHim
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Agree Bloodbought
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I think for those who die in Christ, whither absent from the body or in their resurrection body, they go to heaven or paradise if you like, because that is where Jesus is.
Those who die without Christ go to hell or the lake of fire, because without Christ there is nothing but torment
So there are really only two eternal abodes, eternal bliss or eternal torment.
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Now that is true WildB.
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Question: "What is paradise?
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I believe that paradise and heaven are the same place.
Question: "What is paradise? Is it different than Heaven?"
Answer: Paradise is a place of blessing where the righteous go after death. The word paradise is usually used as a synonym for “heaven” (Revelation 2:7).
When Jesus was dying on the cross and one of the thieves being crucified with Him asked Him for mercy, Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). Jesus knew that His death was imminent and that He would soon be in heaven with His Father. Therefore, Jesus used “paradise” as a synonym for “heaven.” The apostle Paul wrote of someone (probably himself) who “was caught up to paradise” (2 Corinthians 12:4). In this context, paradise obviously refers to heaven.
There has always been a separation of believers and unbelievers after death (Luke 16:19-31). The righteous have always gone to paradise; the wicked have always gone to hell. For right now, both paradise and hell are “temporary holding places” until the day when Jesus Christ comes back to judge the world based on whether or not individuals have believed in Him. The first resurrection is of believers who will stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ to receive rewards based on meritorious service to Him. The second resurrection will be that of unbelievers who will stand before the Great White Throne Judgment of God. At that point, all will be sent to their eternal destination—the wicked to the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15), and the righteous to a new heaven and a new earth (Revelation 21—22).
There are cases in which paradise can refer to the Garden of Eden, such in the Douay-Rheims translation of Genesis 3:8, which speaks of Adam and Eve hiding “amidst the trees of paradise.” The context of the word will determine whether it refers to heaven or Eden.
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/paradise.html#ixzz2l2EIys9D
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I wondered about that too. In our Lord's story about The Rich Man and Lazarus Luke 16:19-31, He describes the place of the dead, known as Hades, as having two areas. Paradise and torment.
But after the crucifixion our Lord went to Hades and set free the captives, that is, the Old Testament Saints, so they could enter Heaven. Before His imputed righteousness no one could enter the presence of God.
Now it is understood that the saved go to Heaven after death, but the unsaved still go to Hades until judgment when they will be cast into the lake of fire, which is Hell.
That's my understanding anyway. You can read more here:
http://thechristianbbs.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=006987#000000
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I know we can’t pay our way to heaven, but where is the temporary holding place that the dead go to. Is it limbo? I was of the opinion that there is only two places for the dead, heaven or hell.
Can anyone explain the temporary holding place please?
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For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:16
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Christianity is the only religion that teaches man can do nothing to earn or pay his way into heaven. Man, a slave to the sin nature he was born with, must completely rely on the grace of God in applying Jesus Christ’s sacrifice to the sins of the believer. Upon death, the spirits of Christians go to a temporary paradise, while the spirits of unbelievers go to another temporary holding place. At the final judgment, Christians are given a new body and spend eternity with God in paradise, while unbelievers are separated from God for eternity in hell. Some people have the erroneous belief, thinking, "I'm basically a good person, so I'll go to heaven." "OK, so I do some bad things, but I do more good things, so I'll go to heaven." "God won't send me to hell just because I don't live by the Bible. Times have changed!" "Only really bad people like child molesters and murderers go to hell." These are all common rationalizations, but the truth is that they are all lies. Satan, the ruler of the world, plants these thoughts in our heads. He, and anyone who follows his ways, is an enemy of God (1Peter 5:8). Jesus is the only way of salvation because He is the only One who can pay our sin penalty (Romans 6:23). No other religion teaches the depth or seriousness of sin and its consequences. No other religion offers the infinite payment of sin that only Jesus Christ could provide. No other “religious founder” was God become man (John 1:1,14) – the only way an infinite debt could be paid. Jesus had to be God so that He could pay our debt. Jesus had to be man so He could die. Salvation is available only through faith in Jesus Christ! “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).
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