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Thunderz7
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Who is on the Throne?
Again the faulty Trinity mindset that Father and Son must be forever seperate and can't be one.
GOD is on the Throne.
John 10:30 - I and my Father are one.
John 17:21 - That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Revelation 4:1 - After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
In Bibles that use italicised words to show what is not present in the original language;
the word "one" in v.2 of ch.4 is italicised;
"he" in v.3 is singular, so "he" on the throne is one, and is sitting.
In 5:6, the Lamb is standing in the midst of the Throne, and thus in ths mist of everything else there.
If the Lamb is standing in the midst of the Throne, he is in the midst of He who sits on the Throne.
The Father in the Son,
the Son in the Father,
the same Spirit,
occupying the same space,
in the same mass,
at all points in time,
but not subsject to time, mass and space.
The human mind can't accept the Biblical concepts of ONE GOD in Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Let your spirit, led by The Spirit, teach you and get the understanding for your satisfaction;
that is the only explination you will ever be content with,
no person, with human language, can get it across to you, only the Holy Spirit can.
T7
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Eden
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They are probably BOTH sitting on a throne, but the Bible says that Jesus is seated on the right hand of the Father:
Matthew 22:44
The LORD {YHWH-Yahweh} said to my Lord {Yeshua-Jesus}, Sit on my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.
Be blessed,
Eden
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TEXASGRANDMA
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The Father
Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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J4Jesus
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so who is sitting on the throne?
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Thunderz7
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Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
YHWH created the universe(uni=one)of three things
time, space and mass.
no one of the three can be experienced without he other two.
One GOD who is triune;
man is created in his image;
when I look in a mirror I see
a father,
a son,
and a husband,
but only one person in the mirror.
(the difference being that I am not my own father)
Oneness doctrine falls short in saying GOD can never be manifested in multiple forms and places.
GOD is not subject to His creation,
He has dominion over it,
time space and mass do not limit Him.
Trinity doctrine comes up short saying GOD is always three distinct persons and can never be one person;
again GOD is not limited by time, space and mass,
nor is He limited by man's understanding of His existance.
Father/GOD is God, He is #1
Jesus/GOD is God, He is not the "second person" of the Trinity, He is #1, second to none.
Holy Spirit/GOD is God, He is #1, not the "third person".
Second and third are less than first,
GOD is never less.
YHWH - His personal name.
Yeshua - YHWH saves
Holy Spirit - testifies of YHWH's salvation
GOD who spoke the very creation into existance,
Who sees EVERYTHING,
Who promised the seed of a woman,
Who fortold the firstfruit,
looked into Mary with His all seeing eyes,
saw the first egg/fruit produced by her womb,
pointed to it and said,
I AM,
and He was, is, and is to come.
T7
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Kristy2007
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God The Father
God The Son
God The Holy Spirit
All 3 distinct members of the Trinity
Hope that helps you ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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lonlesol
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This is how I understand this...
The Father is the Father,
The Son is the Son,
The Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit.
They are three different 'persons' or 'characters'...but they are also one 'person' because they are all part of the 'Trinity'...
When Jesus talks to His Father, He isn't talking to Himself but to His Father...and Jesus said that He was sending the Holy Spirit to the ones that believe and put their trust in Him...Jesus has never said that He was His Father or that He was the Holy Spirit...Each of them has feelings and emotions of their own...Each of them is Holy and Divine...
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Eden
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Hi, J4Jesus. You said:
“Is Jesus the Father AND the Holy Spirit?
man what is going on with that?
Are they all just one person or three disctinct bodies?”
Eden here:
Actually, I see them as being both. There are three parts to the Godhead, namely the Father YHWY and the Son Yehoshua (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit, and these three are SEPARATE.
But, because they all have exactly the same talents and abilities and character, they act in one accord and thus also LOOK LIKE ONE PERSON and they might as well also be CONSIDERED as One Person.
None of them are earthly and all three are divine and heavenly. Only THEY are heavenly, and they can act and be in Three Persons and yet, because of their agreement of mind and emotion, They might as well be One Person for all I care, it makes no difference in practice.
I tend to go with the Father YHWY and the Son Yehoshua (Yeshua, or Jesus) and the Holy Spirit, ALL DIVINE, ALL PART OF THE SAME HEAVENLY FAMILY, like, in, hello already?
But I can also see the Father YHWY saying something to the Son Yeshua on the Father’s right hand, and I can also see Jesus relaying to us bornagain Christians via the Holy Spirit, which can act like a wireless connection to the spirit of bornagain Christians, so the Father YHWH and the Son Yeshua and the Holy Spirit and the spirit of bornagain Christian, communicating with each other.
I think YHWH and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit CAN ALL TALK TO EACH OTHER TOO.
The Bible says for instance that the Holy Spirit PRAYS for us because we are too “out of it” to even know all the things that need praying for:
Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
So those three Deities of the Same Family are talking to each other all the time, back and forth:
Luke 12:12
For the Holy Spirit shall teach you in the same hour what you ought to say.
John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
J4Jesus, it does not really matter WHO is doing WHAT exactly, but we can be sure that THEY ARE ALL THREE DOING IT TOGETHER, that’s for sure.
So what do you think of your Topic question:
Is Jesus the Father And the Holy Spirit? They might as well be.
Be blessed,
Eden
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J4Jesus
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man what is going on with that?
Are they all just one person or three disctinct bodies?
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