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Thunderz7
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God is ONE God Triune in nature -Father - Son and Holy Spirit manifest not 3 times and not three ways and not as three persons, but manifest in the FLESH and in that flesh dwelled the fullness of the Godhead... the GODHEAD bodily...
Linda, for a long time I have thought your position on One Triune GOD was the closest to mine on the CBBS, (still think that)
I really couldn't believe you didn't get attacked by Trinitarians over your statements of the truth of scripture on the issue. Maybe some are finally measuring out another 1000 cubits on the subject.
be blessed in Jesus
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Originally posted by helpforhomeschoolers:
In another thread on this subject someone gave the example of TD Jakes who is a oneness pentecostal and they used his statement of faith to show that TD Jakes professes a triune Godhead.
This is TD Jakes belief statement:
God--There is one God, Creator of all things, infinitely perfect, and eternally existing in three Manifestations: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
From the Other Thread -
T D Jakes is CEO of the Potter's House. For some reason it is pegged as a Oneness Church.
The truth -"The Potter's House is a nondenominational church, located in the southern sector of Dallas, Texas, that was founded in 1996."
Part of their doctrinal statement -
We believe in one God who is eternal in His existence, Triune in His manifestation, being both Father, Son and Holy Ghost AND that He is Sovereign and Absolute in His authority.
We believe in the father who is God Himself, Creator of the universe. (Gen 1:1; John 1:1)
We believe that Jesus is the Son of God. (Col 2:9)
He suffered, died, was buried, and rose from the dead for our total salvation (Luke 3:21-22; Philippians 2:5-11).
We believe that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Him (John 3:36; John 3:31-32; John 14:6).
We believe in the Holy Spirit who is God indwelling, empowering and regenerating the believer. This Holy Spirit is called the Comforter. The Spirit of Truth (John 14:17, 14:26
It is pretty difficult to peg someone as being a Oneness Pentecostal if they explicity say that they believe in a triune God.
I don't understand what the fuss is about all of this 'manifestation' mumbo jumbo. If we have to nitpick every little word just because someone doesn't dot their i's or cross their t's and use the our choice of words to articulate exactly the way 'we' see the scriptures, this is being very legalistic. All of this National Enquirer hiding in the bushes to get some little morsel , only to twist it, doesn't cut it with God's proper discernment.
I know you have a hard problem accepting the fact that I say I love you Linda, but I am having a very difficult time right now watching the devil and all of his deceitfulness throughout the world, especially seeing the pandemic of child abuse, sexually and physically, permeating every society. ![[Cross]](graemlins/cross.gif)
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Originally posted by Bandit:
A blind man does not necessarily lead you into the ditch intentionally, for he does not see the ditch. Such a person simply has no business leading because of his "blindness". (He should learn to "see" for himself before he assumes the role of "leader".) The warning from Jesus is that such "blind leaders" should not be followed, because their end is not good.
Sincerely,
Bandit.
In regards to the Pharisees: Jesus said they were blind because they did NOT know God. They were blind because their motives and goals were to Control others. If their goals and motives were pure they would have been seeking God's true will and voice, but instead they placed themselves as God and wished to control and manipulate the Law, for their own advantage.
Perhaps the blind ones can't "see" their own motives, but us on the outside can discern it, if we step back and look at what their goals and fruit are becoming.
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It was interesting that last night this web site was attacked by the enemy through a person who in into pornography. He titled one topic "I love Jesus", and then as some of us know printed pornograpic pictures under that heading, as well as in many other places here.
Afterwards I sat down to watch some TV and found the movie on Turner Classic Movie station that was playing called "Night of the Hunter" 1955.
It's about an evil schemer, Robert Mitchem, who portrays himseld as a traveling preacher. He goes around singing hymns such as "leaning on the everlasting arms", and it shows him talking to god about how god blesses him in providing him rich widows to rob and kill. He believes his god doesn't mind "killin'" but hates things like perfume and curly hair.
He ends up in prison for a short time for stealing a horse, and mets a condemmed man who did kill two people and robbed them for $10,000. and has hid the money somehwere as the authorities never recovered it. He finds out the condemmed man leaves a wife and 2 children, and he becomes determined to find that money after he get out of prison.
Anyway this movie shows bluntly and up front how evil operates. What it shows is not always so obvious in reality.
As watchers of the movie we get to see it all. We see Robert Mitchem, the false preacher, deceive the dead man's widow and the whole town into thinking he's a gift from God.
He uses shaming and blaming to control his new wife, and manipulates the little girl's innocent love for him to his advantage. Only the little boy realizes how evil he really is and he protects his sister from this man after he kills their mother.
The little children run away from him and get on a row boat and go down the river at night after he tries to find out where the money is and threatens to kill them. They are alone at this point, as the neighbors still think he is Mr Wonderful and he had told them his wife ran away.
The amazing thing about this Hollywood movie is that they are resuced by a true woman of God, and the movie shows the difference in stark contrast.
We see the false professer of God versus the true believer of God.
Lillian Gish plays the hardened loving woman who takes in abandoned chidren. She knows her mission in life. She's steadfast and she has discernment. The false preacher comes to her house to claim the 2 little ones, and the little girl still runs into his arms, but the boy states "He is not my father".
She immediately sees the truth and states, "You're right and he's NOT a preacher either." She goes and gets her rifle and makes him leave the property, but he does come back that night, and she's ready and waiting for him.
The movie has a strange scene in which Robert Mitchem is outside her house singing "Leaning on the Everlasting Arms". (He's planning murder, yet still keeps up the pretense of being a godly man)
She's sitting in her rocking chair with her rifle over her knees, and she sings "Leaning on Jesus, leaning on Jesus."
Then it hit me, that even in this movie the producer is showing us the difference between the real and the fake. Robert Mitchem in all his preaching never Mentions Jesus' name. She does!
One way to discern a false preacher or teacher is "Do they lean on Jesus, or do they lean on their own understanding?"
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Rebut all you want,
but you've been warned.
Oh, did you need someone to warn?
Without His precious love where would I be?
Forever longing to be free, if it had not been for the goodness of the Lord.
Jesus brought me out of darkness into His marvelous light and set me on a Rock to stay, without His love I would be like a ship upon a stormy sea, forever longing to be free, if it had not been for the goodness of the Lord. Don’t be angry with me, brother. I am saved and redeemed, and so are you.
In Jesus’s Name, I am BORN AGAIN by the of Yahshua-Jesus of Bethlehem of Judah
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Rebut all you want,
but you've been warned.
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wparr writes quote:
Jude 1:4
For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
Crept in SHOWS they are in the Church.
If they "creep in", that most likely would not make them the pastor or the local teacher, would it? Because a local church and pastor/teacher would already have to be present before someone can "creep into" that church.
A distinction should probably also be made between the churches "back then" and "now", in that the population of the earth, and hence the size of the churches, was much smaller, and in those early days there were also Judaizers who taught that the laws of Moses still had to be kept.
The above-quoted verse says: quote:
...who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ
Does "licentiousness" refer to "liberty to sin now that we are saved", or what? And what does it mean for this same person to "deny our only Master and Lord Jesus Christ--is that in addition to licentiousness or part of the same issue?
TEXASGRANDMA mentioned Jim Jones, but Jim Jones was never a bornagain Christian--Jim Jones was a Marxist who used a few Christian phrases, thinking he could have a "Christian commune". From the very first, bornagain Christians stood up in their pews and shouted to the congregation that Jim Jones was not a bornagain Christian--and he wasn't.
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A false teacher is ANYONE teaching contrary to the true contextual meaning of God's Word.
A TRUE teacher is CALLED by God, EQUIPPED by God, teaching UNDER THE POWER of The Holy Spirit.
ALL bornagain Christians have some of our teaching wrong or only have a half-truth about certain Biblical issues. Not because they WANT to have a half-truth, but all they've been able to acquire thus far.
I don't think there is a Christian alive who has it ALL CORRECT, and according to the definition set forth by some of you on this BBS, all of us have to be tarred as false teachers at various times, to be fair, and that is complete nonsense.
God bless, BORN AGAIN
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It DOES NOT MATTER ONE LITTLE BIT what you, I, or ANYONE else thinks.
ALL that matters is what GOD TELLS US IN HIS WORD.
According to the Bible - YOU ARE WRONG.
Read the Bible - in context - prayefully.
The False teachers Paul, Peter, Jude, John and Jesus are warning us about ARE IN THE CHURCH.
Jude 1:4
For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
Crept in SHOWS they are in the Church.
A false teacher is ANYONE teaching contrary to the true contextual meaning of God's Word.
A TRUE teacher is CALLED by God, EQUIPPED by God, teaching UNDER THE POWER of The Holy Spirit.
I don't say this to belittle you, or to be mean to you, but so that your eyes might be open to all the numerous false teachers, deceptive teachings and doctrines PASSING themselves off as "christian
2 John 1:9-11
(9) Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching (doctrine: singular not plural - ALL of what Jesus taught as 1 teaching) of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son.
(10) If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting;
(11) for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.
Look at verse 10 - DON'T LET THEM IN YOUR HOUSE (this includes tv and such)
Look at the end of 10, and all of 11.
WARNING WARNING WARNING
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Originally posted by BORN AGAIN:
Thank you, White Eagle, for your support in that other Topic...
In an earlier post I wrote that a false teacher is someone who has an intent to deceive, or who is trying to draw someone back out of the Christian faith.
The Judaizers of Paul’s day were false prophets because they were trying to pull people back under the law of Moses.
But modern Christian teachers are not trying to pull people back out of faith in Jesus Christ and back under the law of Moses.
Nor are modern Christian teachers trying to pull Christians into Bhuddism or into voodoo or into Hinduism or into Judaism.
Christian teachers are trying to teach the Word according to their understanding, but that does NOT MAKE THEM A FALSE TEACHER because there is no intent to deceive or draw away or draw back, because people read the Bible because of them and draw their own conclusions.
God bless, BORN AGAIN
I believe I disagree with this accessment, but then I'm not sure to what extent I disagree. Jesus spoke of the "blind leaders of the blind" in Matthew 15:13,14. Also read the preceeding few verses (especially 15:7-9) to see what Jesus says concerning these "blind leaders". It is quite possible that a "blind leader" does not mislead by intent (i.e., they don't necessarily recognize what they are doing as "wrong"). Jesus also warned of the "leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees" a little later in Matthew 16:11.
Anyhow, I do hear what you are saying, but these words of Jesus would tend to indicate that some can be the equivalent of "false teachers" without necessarily misleading by intent.
A blind man does not necessarily lead you into the ditch intentionally, for he does not see the ditch. Such a person simply has no business leading because of his "blindness". (He should learn to "see" for himself before he assumes the role of "leader".) The warning from Jesus is that such "blind leaders" should not be followed, because their end is not good.
Sincerely,
Bandit.
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Amen Drew! You can believe that every heretic that ever has been has believed sincerely that what they held was the truth. Thus the warning of Paul...
1 Corinthians 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
What is truth?
John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Not our understandng of it and not our interpretations of it, but THY WORD. HIS word is discerned in the Spirit, by the Spirit and does not contradict that which is written.
In another thread on this subject someone gave the example of TD Jakes who is a oneness pentecostal and they used his statement of faith to show that TD Jakes professes a triune Godhead.
This is TD Jakes belief statement:
God--There is one God, Creator of all things, infinitely perfect, and eternally existing in three Manifestations: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
It does not matter what we think Jakes means by this statement. It does not matter how sincerely Jakes believes this statement. What matters is this: Is the statement true according to scripture?
Where does the scripture speak of the manifestation of the Father? Where does it speak of the manifestation of the Spirit?
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,
In the Father's flesh? NO!
In the Spirit's flesh? No!
God was manifest in the flesh of the Son. Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
God did not cease to be a Spirit and not a man when He sent forth the Son of God in the Flesh of the Son of Man - God manifest in the flesh....
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
God is ONE God Triune in nature -Father - Son and Holy Spirit manifest not 3 times and not three ways and not as three persons, but manifest in the FLESH and in that flesh dwelled the fullness of the Godhead... the GODHEAD bodily...
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
The Father God is not a manifestation of God. God is our heavenly Father. The Spirit is not a manifestation of God. God is a Spirit -THe Holy Spirit. There is ONE God.
There is ONE manifestation of God and that is a manifestation in the flesh. Whose flesh... Jesus of Nazareth's Flesh.
Not only does the scripture not support 3 manifestations.... 3 manifesations contradicts the scripture that says God was manifest in the flesh... that is ONE manifestation of God wholly- Father, Son and Spirit indwelling ONE body- Jesus.
The Father and the Spirit are NOT manifestations of God. The Father is God the Father. God is a Spirit- The Holy Spirit.
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Main Entry: 1false
Pronunciation: 'fols
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): fals·er; fals·est
Etymology: Middle English fals, from Old French & Latin; Old French, from Latin falsus, from past participle of fallere to deceive
1 : not genuine <false documents> <false teeth>
2 a : intentionally untrue <false testimony> b : adjusted or made so as to deceive <false scales> <a trunk with a false bottom> c : intended or tending to mislead <a false promise>
3 : not true <false concepts>
4 a : not faithful or loyal : TREACHEROUS <a false friend> b : lacking naturalness or sincerity <false sympathy>
5 a : not essential or permanent -- used of parts of a structure that are temporary or supplemental b : fitting over a main part to strengthen it, to protect it, or to disguise its appearance <a false ceiling>
6 : inaccurate in pitch <a false note>
7 a : based on mistaken ideas <false pride> b : inconsistent with the facts <a false position> <a false sense of security>
8 : threateningly sudden or deceptive <don't make a false move>
Main Entry: teach·er
Pronunciation: 'tE-ch&r
Function: noun
1 : one that teaches; especially : one whose occupation is to instruct
2 : a Mormon ranking above a deacon in the Aaronic priesthood
A teacher that teaches subject matter which is in error, is false, is not true in content or interpretation, is teaching falsehood, is a false teacher, (a teacher of falsehoods), no matter the intent of their heart.
Jesus warned us that “false Christs and false prophets” will come and will attempt to deceive even God’s elect (Matthew 25:24-25; see also 2 Peter 3:3 and Jude 17-18).
To best guard yourself against falsehood, know the truth. To spot a counterfeit, study the real thing. Any believer who, “rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15), makes a careful study of the Bible can identify false doctrine. For example, a believer who has read the activities of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Matthew 3:16-17 will immediately question any doctrine that denies the Trinity. Therefore, “step one” is to study the Bible and judge all teaching by what the scripture says.
Jesus said “a tree is known by his fruit” (Matthew 12:33). When looking for “fruit,” here are three specific tests to apply to any teacher to determine the accuracy of his or her teaching:
1) What does this teacher say about Jesus? In Matthew 16:15, Jesus asks, “Whom say ye that I am?” Peter answers, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,” and for this answer Peter is called “blessed.” In 2 John 9, we read, “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.” In other words, Jesus Christ and His work of redemption is of utmost importance; beware anyone who denies that Jesus is equal with God, who downplays Jesus’ substitutionary death, or who rejects Jesus’ humanity. First John 2:22 says, “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.”
2) Does this teacher preach the gospel? The gospel is defined as the good news concerning Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection, according to the scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). As nice as they sound, the statements “God loves you,” “God wants us to feed the hungry,” and “God wants you to be wealthy” are NOT the complete message of the gospel. As Paul warns in Galatians 1:7, “There be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.” No one, not even a great preacher, has the right to change the message that God gave us. “If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:9).
3) Does this teacher exhibit character qualities that glorify the Lord? Speaking of false teachers, Jude 11 says, “They have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.” In other words, a false teacher can be known by his pride (Cain’s rejection of God’s plan), greed (Balaam’s prophesying for money), and rebellion (Korah’s promotion of himself over Moses).
The teacher that teaches what is false is a false teacher, no matter how sincerely they believe it to be true.
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16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..
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I believe there are Christian Preachers who started out on the right path and lost their way and become false preachers. Jim Jones started out as a Preacher of the Gospel.
I believe that there are Preachers today, who stopped preaching the truth because the truth was not making enough money.
betty
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Thank you, White Eagle, for your support in that other Topic...
In an earlier post I wrote that a false teacher is someone who has an intent to deceive, or who is trying to draw someone back out of the Christian faith.
The Judaizers of Paul’s day were false prophets because they were trying to pull people back under the law of Moses.
But modern Christian teachers are not trying to pull people back out of faith in Jesus Christ and back under the law of Moses.
Nor are modern Christian teachers trying to pull Christians into Bhuddism or into voodoo or into Hinduism or into Judaism.
Christian teachers are trying to teach the Word according to their understanding, but that does NOT MAKE THEM A FALSE TEACHER because there is no intent to deceive or draw away or draw back, because people read the Bible because of them and draw their own conclusions.
God bless, BORN AGAIN
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