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becauseHElives
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Sir, we do differ, I never tire of trying to compelling people to think logically.
Yeshua commands me to never give up the fight against evil where ever I may find it and what ever form it takes.
Sir, how naïve of you to think everybody has a conscience, have you never read in the scriptures of those that have been turned over to a reprobate mind. Do you not realize the Apostle Paul killed thousands in the Name of Yahweh, he thought, do you not realize those that killed 12 million Christians during the Spanish Inquisition for the Roman Catholic Church did so with no remorse, they had no conscience, that in Nazi Germany without any conscience murdered 6 million Jews, and there are those today that desire a “New World Order” at any cost.
President George W. Bush and associates are such men. I can not believe anyone can not view the facts and at least question the lies being told by our government.
They got the golfer but couldn't get the Terrorist,
911 Smoking Gun -
The Story They Don't Want You To Read
By William Thomas
Senior Correspondent
It happens all the time. When a small private plane recently entered the 23-mile restricted ring around the U.S. Capitol, two F-16 interceptors were immediately launched from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away. In a similar episode, a pair of F-16 "Fighting Falcons" on 15-minute strip alert was airborne from Andrews just 11 minutes after being notified by the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) of a Cessna straying towards the White House. [AP Nov11/03; CNN June20/02]
These were well-practiced routines. With more than 4,500 aircraft continuously sharing U.S. airspace, between September 2000 and June 2001 the Pentagon launched fighters on 67 occasions to escort wayward aircraft. [FAA news release Aug/9/02; AP Aug13/02]
But on Sept 11, 2001, NORAD and the FAA ignored routine procedures and strict regulations. In response to a national emergency involving hijacked airliners as dangerous as cruise missiles, interceptors launched late from distant bases flew to defend their nation at a fraction of their top speeds. [NORAD news release Sept. 18/01]
WHAT NORAD KNEW A recently resurfaced NORAD news bulletin released seven days after Sept. 11 explains that America's aerial defenders were slow to counter rapidly developing air attacks because they didn't hear from the FAA that American Airlines Flight 11 had been hijacked until 8:40 that fateful morning. [NORAD news release Sept. 18/01]
But at the National Military Command Center (NMCC) in the basement of the Pentagon, Air Force staff officers monitoring every inch of airspace over the northeastern seaboard would have caught that first hijacking when Flight 11's identification transponder stopped transmitting at 8:20 - automatically triggering a radar alarm.
With their capability to monitor developing "situations" by tapping into military and civilian radars, U.S. military commanders would have also seen Flight 175 turn abruptly south 25 minutes later ö just as they had watched on radar in October 1999 when pro golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet abruptly departed its flight path while enroute o Dallas. [CNN Oct26/1999]
In that legendary intercept, a fighter jet out of Tyndall, Florida was diverted from a training flight to escort the Lear, whose pilot had become incapacitated, trapping Stewart in the stratosphere. An F-16 was reportedly sitting off the left wingtip of Payne's pilotless business jet within 19 minutes of the FAA alert. [ABC News Oct25/99]
If NORAD had been as quick to scramble or divert airborne fighters on Sept. 11, two "anti-terrorist" F-15's on armed alert could have been sent south from Otis Air Force Base on Cape Cod. Flying at full afterburners without edging over the Atlantic to disperse their sonic footprint, two of the fastest fighters on the planet would have broken a few windows. But all the glass in the Twin Towers might have stayed intact had the "fast-movers" intercepted Flight 11 over the Hudson Rive at least six minutes from Manhattan.
NO HURRY SAYS NORAD Instead, in a stunning admission that received little press scrutiny at the time, NORAD noted that for all interceptions flown against the hijackers on Sept. 11, "Flight times are calculated at 9 miles per minute or .9 Mach." In other words, every interception flown by the world's hottest air-combat aircraft was flown at less than a third of the planes' top speed.
A Defense Department manual insists, "In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA." To make this happen, the Federal Aviation Administration permanently posts a liaison officer in the Pentagon air defense room. [CJCSI 3610.01A, June1/01]
Yet, according to NORAD, after air traffic controllers realized that Flight 11 had been hijacked, 38 vital minutes passed before a pair of F-15's was scrambled from Otis. As they lifted off, American Airlines Flight 11 struck the North Tower of the World Trade Center, 153 air miles away as a Falcon flies. [NORAD Sept. 18/01]
United Airlines Flight 175 was still 20 minutes out.
"The F-15 pilots flew ''like a scalded ape, topping 500 mph but were unable to catch up to the airliner," Maj. Gen. Paul Weaver later told reporters. [St. Augustine Times Sept16/01]
Scalded apes? Airliners fly at 500 mph. An F-15 can fly almost four-times faster.
STEP ON IT One of the Otis intercept pilots dubbed "Duff", later lamented: "We've been over the flight a thousand times in our minds and I don't know what we could have done to get there any quicker."
For starters, he and his wingman could have tried pushing their twin throttles fully forward. Instead of flying two-and-a-half times faster than a bullet, "Nasty" and "Duff" drove their expensive air superiority fighters at a leisurely 447-mph ö supposedly to intercept a Boeing 767 flying 43 mph faster! Utilizing only 27% power, the F-15's were "eight minutes/71 miles" away, according to NORAD, when Flight 175 struck the South Tower with 56 souls and more than ten tons of fuel onboard. [Christian Science Monitor Mar8/02]
HONOR THE THREAT With both Trade Towers burning, and hijacked United Flight 93 shadowed by a circling F-16 over Pennsylvania, American Airlines Flight 77 was the only threat left in the sky. When that Boeing 757 silenced its transponder signal, made a U-turn over Kentucky and headed directly for the White House and the Pentagon, one billion viewers riveted to the big networks knew this was a kamikaze run. [Telegraph Sept13/01]
With no other bogeys on eastern seaboard scopes, air combat doctrine dictates that the two unemployed Otis F-15s already in the area be redirected to "honor the threat" of an incoming flying bomb, 330 miles out. Even loafing along, the fighters would have more than 20 minutes to confront Flight 77 before it neared the Pentagon.
Instead, Pentagon professionals defending their country's nerve centers waited more than an hour after watching Flight 11 go rogue - including 30 critical minutes after Flight 77 turned abruptly toward them and the nearby White House - before scrambling two F-16's out of Langley Air Force Base to protect the capitol.
Nearly half-an-hour after receiving the belated order to scramble, two Falcons coasted in over the burning Pentagon. Slowed down to just 410 mph, it had taken the 1,500 mph-capable fighters 19 minutes to cover the 130 miles from Virginia. It should have taken just over seven minutes to reach the Pentagon ö at about the time Flight 77 was making a predatory circle overhead. [NORAD Sept18/01; USAF]
GROUNDED The supersonic jets were flown no faster than WWII prop-driven fighters. But it hardly mattered. Sitting on the Andrews ramp just 10 miles away, were two fully armed and fueled supersonic interceptors tasked with protecting the capitol from airborne terrorist threats on 15 minutes' notice!
Isn't it about time someone asked why those routinely launched Andrews interceptors were "stood down" as Flight 77 bored in toward the headquarters they were supposed to protect? [San Diego Union-Tribune Sept12/01
In the most heavily armed nation on Earth, at least two-dozen air force installations were within fast flying time of the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Does anyone else wonder why none of those aircraft were ordered launched - or why none of the armed fighters on training flights or patrolling Air Defense Intercept Zones just off the Atlantic Coast were diverted to intercept four commandeered airliners until after the Pentagon was struck ö one-hour and 18 minutes after Flight 11 was hijacked? [www.af.mil/sites/alphabetical.shtml#a]
According to NORAD, the F-16s from Langley were still "12 minutes/105 miles" away when the big Boeing they were "chasing" soared past the White House and the Andrews runways. Allegedly flown by an incompetent Egyptian flight student who couldn't solo a Cessna, the 757 peeled off and piled into the Pentagon after an abrupt dive and pull-up that left veteran pilots agape. [San Diego Union-Tribune Sept12/01; NBC Nightly News Sept11/01; All Fall Down]
Immediately after the Pentagon was hit, the Andrews alert jets were launched to guard empty skies. [Mirror Nov13/03]
ASLEEP AT THE SWITCH Responding to questions from a Senate confirmation committee two days after this suspicious fiasco, the Joint Chief's acting air defense chief on Sept. 11 said he was in a meeting while all hell was breaking loose in his sector.
Air Force Gen. Richard Myers had not let a TV report about a small plane hitting the World Trade Center interrupt his routine. As jumbo jetliners kept diving into buildings, apparently no one thought to inform the acting commander of U.S. air defenses that his country was under attack. Myers said he came out of his meeting just as the Pentagon was hit.
Asked repeatedly when the brass were first informed of the emergency, and when interceptors were scrambled, Myers repeated a muddled mantra six times, saying ""I'll have to get back to you on that." [www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2001/n10232001_200110236.html]
Instead of being court-martialed like the luckless commanders defending Pearl Harbor, or even reprimanded, General Myers was awarded command of the entire U.S. military as new chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Bush publicly commended the air force general for his "calm manner, sound judgment, and his clear strategic thinking." [White House press release Oct15/01]
As this bizarre and possibly treasonous story goes to press, the FAA has refused to disclose documents relating to when that agency notified U.S. air defenses about the four hijacked airliners. A second subpoena served on the Pentagon by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States has been similarly unsuccessful in attaining records concerning whether NORAD responded quickly enough in dispatching interceptors on Sept. 11. [Washington Post Nov8/03]
Instead of fingering air traffic controllers for not following procedures, these documents could show that the FAA did follow its own Standard Intercept Procedures and notify NORAD within a few minutes of each hijacking ö which would leave the Air Force with even more explaining to do. [AP Oct18/03]
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bHl,
There is not a single thing I can say nor that I can show you that will affect you decision to believe this absurd theory so I am left to pray for the LORD to impart Wisdom to you. That sir is exactly what I have just done. For such a plot to be successfully pulled of there would need to be thousands of people that would never seek their 15 minutes of fame and nothing in my 60+ years has shown me such a possibility. Man is far to vain a creature to pull such a broad based scheme off and there would need to be an earth shaking reason for them to be faithful throughout the years.
Killing people is a very disturbing business and I should be certain of that if never another thing. 40 years after the fact I still wake up screaming and trying to protect my wife from the people that I had to kill in war because they were coming after me. I can't even imagine the nightmares that these conspirators would suffer, having, just murdered, that many innocent people and many of them women and children.
I pray God's blessing upon you and I will not argue the point, I long ago tired of trying to compel people to think logically.
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Brian thanks for the link but I am familiar with both.
There is nothing that can be done but I don’t like the thought that the government think I am stupid enough to buy their lies.
And it really scares me that people have so been brain washed that they believe anything that the government tells them.
I just hope Yeshua returns soon!
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But, just so you know, Bush didn't conspire to destroy NY -
Bush didn't conspire to just destroy New York; he is part of a “conspiracy” to destroy the whole of America and bring us into a “New World Order”!
You posted back so quickly you could not have bothered to view the links I provided.
Why did Bush lie about seeing the first plane?
How can something fall faster than the “Laws of Physics” allow unassisted?
How can metal melt when the fuel feeding the fire can not reach the temperatures needed to melt steel?
How/Why did Building 7 fall when it was not even hit by a plane?
How did the buildings all three fall symmetrically perfect unless aided by explosives.
Can you or anyone else point to one occurrence on the planet where anything unassisted fell into a neat little pile unassisted by mans help?
Is there even one occurrence in the history of fires in steel frame high-rise buildings that completely collapsed before 911?
How Giuliani know “building 7” was going to collapse before it feel when it had not been damaged as of yet?
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I deleted itbecause you are right - No names like fool, stupid or foolish.
Aside from that, it is all hooey.
Guess we'll all have to wait and see who is right.
But, just so you know, Bush didn't conspire to destroy NY -
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Favor Minded, I held back calling you names, I don’t believe a Christian should call other people names like fool and stupid just because they disagree.
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The amount of eye witnesses who reported seeing a plane and described it with words like: 'airliner', 'big', 'silver', 'roaring', etc.*** at least 45
I don’t doubt they saw something, but were it a “757”
When there are hundreds of confiscated films in the government’s possession that can clearly stop all this “conspiracy theory” talk, why not just release them to the public?
Bush a professional liar in action.
Maybe Bush was Psychic that morning he saw on TV what no other person on the planet saw?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2010989612272140456&q=Bush+says+he+saw+1st+plane+hit+on+TV&total=29&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Laws of Nature put aside on 911 / amazing
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7947177935164144435&q=The+Twin+Towers+did+not+collapse+on+their+own&total=23&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Eye witnesses …and others
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8076200333701191665&q=The+Twin+Towers+did+not+collapse+on+their+own
The US government claims that a Boeing 757 impacted the Pentagon on 9/11, many people dispute this, yet the same American government refuses to release video tapes that would put the matter to rest and show once and for all what hit the Pentagon. Use your head and ask yourself, "why?"
There is one very obvious answer.
http://www.kasjo.net/ats/ats.htm
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Favor Minded you stated:
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You know, he is the ONLY president to openly take a stand against homosexuality, same sex marriage, abortion, stem cell research, etc. Among other things - You will have to answer to God for not supporting who he placed in power.
Remember Yahweh also put satan as prince of the power of the air. - Over the kingdoms of this world.
Are you stating that your a supporter of the governments of this world?
The same principal your stating would apply to those under (or were under) Husen, Hitler etel; would it not.?
Seems to me you pray for those that have rule over you, i dont have to support evil. Pres Bush is a tool of the "kingdoms of this world". i owe no support to him, nor the evil he perpetrates. Nor any other worldly kingdom.
As a child of the KING of Glory we owe all alliance to HIM. Yahushua (Jesus) the King of King and Lord of Lords.
Pres. Bush is a 32 degree mason is he not?
He belives in "God" research which god he believes and has alliance to.
Albert Pikes Book Morals & Dogmas...This would prob. help your understanding of what he is about.
There are many conspiracy theories some true some false, but as far as allegience or support, i cannot have for evil.
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Favor minded, your films show nothing. Your explanation ridiculous….
They (the government) only released one still photo on 9/11/2001 of the Pentagon…but they had all the films from the Pentagon itself (hundreds of surveillance cameras and all the confiscated films surrounding the Pentagon (at least 4) that are in known in existence.
5 years later they (the government) have released 5 stills from…
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5 Stills from CCTV video released on May 16, 2006
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/pentagon_hit.gif
Why not just show us (the American people and the world) the whole video, better yet show us all the video footage that has been confiscated.
Some may be too naive as to see what is right before their eyes, but not me.
If there was nothing to hide then why confiscate all the films that could show the truth and relieve all the doubt and suspicion?
The sad fact is if you will swallow this story, the antichrist want have any trouble deceiving you when he gets here.
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Oh, and...
REAL footage - REAL news - And REAL Audio from the planes - And all that "missing" footage is NOT missing.
We should always remember what was really important about it - here is a video I made a couple of years ago regarding this very heartwrenching subject...
Zero to Eternity
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These ridiculous "No 757" claims CANNOT be substantiated properly, however the "REAL" truth can.
I know, I was VERY close to ALL of this, and I can prove it.
This conspiriacy theory garbage is just ridiculous and has been since it's Anti Bush inception.
Some REAL information
I find it sad that people actually fall for some of the most ridiculous conspiracy theory claims out there.
Had you actually been involved in it, you would realize how ignorant these government controlled crash claims are.
These DVD's have been around in all shapes an sizes, all trying to claim that we are terorizing our own country.
They, like so many who twist the scriptures to create a context, have used certain pictures, and certain footage to create a perception. If you want all of the real footage, all of the real news, and all of the real people who were involved, I have it.
But stop making a mockery of our president, and stop believing in foolishness.
The amount of eye witnesses who reported seeing a plane and described it with words like: 'airliner', 'big', 'silver', 'roaring', etc.*** at least 45
The amount of eye witnesses who specifically said they saw an American Airlines jet. In all cases there's no indication the witnesses were talking about a small jet. at least 25
The amount of witnesses who reported the noise of the plane was very loud to deafening. at least 22
The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw a plane running down light poles when crossing the the highways. at least 19
The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw and heard the plane went full throttle only at the last seconds. at least 12
In the last several months, largely as a result of Mr. DiNardo's work, there has been growing Internet discussion of the lack of Boeing 757 debris outside the Pentagon. Now, magically, new photos of "Boeing 757" Pentagon wreckage are beginning to appear. Check out the websites of Mike Rivero and Joe Vialls for copies of these fakes. Rivero and Vialls, by endorsing them as real, have surely identified themselves as members of the fake opposition.
During the Jim Garrison trial of Clay Shaw in the JFK assassination, a witness showed up who linked Lee Oswald and Shaw. Despite warnings from his staff, Garrison used this witness. But once he was on the stand, the witness claimed that he fingerprinted his own daughter every night to prevent substitutions by "them". During the House Select Committee on Assassinations, the committee made a point of calling a witness who claimed that the open umbrella by the motorcade route in Dallas was actually a poison dart gun that had fired a dart at JFK to paralyze him, in order to make him an easier target. The actual umbrella was then displayed amidst jokes and laughter and great rolling of eyes, and shown to be merely an umbrella. More recently, Congressional hearings into abuses by the BATF featured one witness, dressed in camo and identifying himself as a member of a free militia, who claimed that the US Government had built and was testing a machine that made tornados.
In all three cases the witnesses were plants by the government whose job it was to taint any real questions of what the government was up to with silliness that the media could use to make fun of the whole issue and those who dared question the official story. The media focused on the "fingerprint man" to ridicule Jim Garrison. (Years later Richard Secord admitted under oath that Clay Saw had been a CIA contract agent after all.) The story about the umbrella at Dealey Plaza was focused on by the media to show how silly the entire issue of questioning the Warren Report was (but fell flat on its face when the HSCA concluded that there had been more than one gunman in Dealey Plaza that day) and, of course, "Tornado man", camo and all, was the featured video clip on the news reports of the hearings into BATF, to the exclusion of the family members of dozens of people mistakenly shot by the BATF when the BATF raided the wrong homes. BATF, it should also be remembered, was the agency which, in an attempt to stage a news-worthy raid on "gun nuts", initiated the Waco disaster.
The game is an old one, to plant bogus and easily disproved claims in any inquiry into what the government is doing, in order to ridicule those asking questions. In the old days it worked, because the media was under government control and could be counted on to withhold exposure of the fraud until it could most damage those who asked questions. These days, in the age of the Internet, such planted hoaxes do not survive because the questions the media should ask but refuse to do so ARE asked and answered.
For example, the claim is that the 9-11 masterminds used a missile on the Pentagon to simulate the impact of the aircraft then spirited away the actual plane and killed the crew and passengers. Why would anyone bother? If the end result is the death of the occupants, why not go ahead and carry the crash out?
Those who argue that there was no plane at the Pentagon are foolish - those whose knowledge of physics is based on cartoons where characters leave clear outline shapes in walls they penetrate.
Airplanes are built to fly through the air, not burrow through solid objects. Built for economy, not combat, passenger jets are, compared to a building, as light and as fragile as a glass Christmas tree ornament.
The "No plane at the Pentagon" story has failed to catch on to the degree where it can be used to discredit those who wonder just who was really behind the 9-11 staged terrorist attacks. Those who promoted the story realize that they are at risk of exposure so their only remaining tactic is to try to claim that anyone who does not agree with them must be the government plant. If I directly responded, their goal would be not to conduct a debate, but simply to tie up as much of my limited time as they could in an endless unwinnable argument while they stand there with their hair on fire claiming they cannot smell any smoke.
The Internet has become the high ground in the war for the minds of America. The other side likes to play dirty. The claim that there was no plane at the Pentagon is a hoax by an enemy that survives by deception and lies.
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Brian or anyone else did you look at DVD?
Hunt the Boeing 757! And test your perceptions!
Clue wings should be in front lawn on either side of impact.
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Let me ask you this, is the problem that this was some grand conspiracy by our government, or that our government is big enough to be suspected of doing such a thing?
I'd rather worry about removing power from being centralized, than what these men are doing with their concentrated power.
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A conspiracy theory attempts to attribute the ultimate cause of an event or chain of events (usually political, social, or historical events), or the concealment of such causes from public knowledge, to a secret, and often deceptive plot by a covert alliance of powerful or influential people or organizations. Many conspiracy theories claim that major events in history have been dominated by conspirators who manipulate political happenings from behind the scenes.
Hunt the Boeing! And test your perceptions!
http://www.american-pictures.com/gives/help/finding/the/PLANE/truth/index.htm#Main
The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State.
– Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels
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