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![[thumbsup2]](graemlins/thumbsup2.gif) That's it!
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Male Virgins
Revelations 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Only 144,000 celibate men will be saved at this time. (Those who were not "defiled with women.")
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What are we to understand by sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel—twelve thousand out of every tribe?
We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn
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sorry, I was just trying to be funny. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
I still would be interested if anyone can help with scriptures on this 144,000 tho.
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Originally posted by becauseHElives:
everything in scripture can be found in real life...tangible things that can be touched ....
I broke my pinkie toe on a kitchen chair one time. That was tangible! I walk far away from it now.
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everything in scripture can be found in real life...tangible things that can be touched ....
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um, I'm lost then. I have found that every thing listed in the Bible-- there is an answer within the bible for it. I need to put this 144,00 together based solely on scriptures.
You can call me stupid if ya want -- but that's how I digest truth.
Need lots-o-scripture ![[1zhelp]](graemlins/1zhelp.gif)
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There is strong evidence that Isaiah spoke of the Pyramid:
"In that day there shall be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the Land of Egypt, and a monument at the border thereof to the Lord, and it shall be for a sign, and for a witness unto the Lord of Hosts in the Land of Egypt" (Isaiah 19:19-20).
THE GREAT PYRAMID AND CHRIST
In a remarkable passage in Job the earth is compared to a building. The question is asked Job –
“Where wast thou when I laid the FOUNDATIONS of the earth?
Declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the MEASURES
Thereof, if thou knowest? Or who hath stretched the LINE upon it?
Whereupon are the FOUNDATIONS thereof fastened? Or who laid the
‘CORNER-STONE’
thereof; when the ‘Morning Stars’ sang together, and all the ‘SONS OF GOD’
SHOUTED FOR JOY?”
Job 38:4-7.
Now we know that the earth has no foundations, for it is a sphere and hung upon nothing, as Job well knew. Job 26:7. The building referred to in the above passage must therefore be one with which Job was familiar. And to what can it better refer than to the Great Pyramid of which, as we shall see, Job was the probable builder, for what other form of building is there that has FOUR FOUNDATION STONES, and a CAPSTONE, or HEAD CORNER-STONE, but a pyramid? In the above passage the “Foundations” are distinct from the “Corner-Stone,” and it was not until the building was completed b y the laying of the chief “CORNER” or “CAPSTONE,” that the “SONS OF GOD,” the angels, shouted for joy, as doubtless did the builders of the “Great Pyramid” when it was finished and dedicated.
The Great Pyramid is the only form of building that conforms to the symbolic description of the “SPIRITUAL BUILDING,” spoken of in Scripture, of which Christ is said to be the “CHIEF CORNER-STONE.”
“Ye are built upon the FOUNDATION OF THE APOSTLES AND PROPHETS,
Jesus Christ Himself being the
‘CHIEF CORNER-STONE’;
in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an ‘HOLY TEMPLE’
in the Lord; in whom ye also are builded together, for an
‘HABITATION OF GOD’
through the Spirit.” Eph. 2:21-22.
There is no “CHIEF CORNER-STONE” in architectural construction but in a building of Pyramidal form, and in shape it is exactly like the building it tops out. To its angles is “ALL THE BUILDING FITLY FRAMED TOGETHER.” Being five-sided there is no place for it in the building until the finishing touch is given, and therefore the builders rejected it until needed. So we read of Christ –“The stone, which the builders DISALLOWED (REFUSED Psa. 118:22), the same is made the HEAD OF THE CORNER (“Chief Corner-Stone” Verse 6), and a ‘STONE OF STUMBLING,’ and a ‘ROCK OF OFFENCE.’” 1 Pet. 2:7-8. Rom. 9:32-33. The “Capstone” of a pyramid until needed would be in the way, and a “Stone of Stumbling,” and “Rock of Offence” to the workmen. So with Christ. Paul says –“We preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a ‘STUMBLING BLOCK,’ and unto the Greeks ‘FOOLISHNESS,’” or a “Rock of Offence.” I Cor. 1:23.
The “Capstone” of a pyramid is 5 sided and 5 pointed, with one sharp point always sticking up. Anyone falling on it would be “broken” or injured, and when on its way to its lofty position, were it to fall on anyone, it would “GRIND HIM TO POWDER.” Matt. 21:42-44. From what has been said we see that the Great Pyramid is symbolic of the Spiritual Building of which Christ is the “Chief Capstone.”
THE GREAT PYRAMID AND DISPENSATIONAL TRUTH
Here we must tread softly lest we be charged with “Time Setting” and subject ourselves and our subject to ridicule. The interior measurements, while carefully and accurately made, can only be used approximately, for there are other things to be taken into account in drawing conclusions from them. All we shall essay to do in broad outlines to suggest what the interior arrangement of passageways and chambers may be intended to teach Dispensationally, leaving to others who may come after to verify them.
As the polished descending passageway (BB) pointed in B. C. 2170, the date of the building of the Pyramid, to “ALPHA DRACONIS,” the “chief star” in the Constellation of the “DRAGON” or “GREAT SERPENT,” we see that the Pyramid reveals the existence of the “DEVIL,” and as the passageway continues downward to an unfinished Chamber (H), which may be intended to represent “Hell,” we see that mankind, marching down that passage , would be under the sign and dominion of the Dragon with “Hell” as their destination.
About quarter way down the descending passageway we come to an ascending passage (D). This seems to indicate an upward trend of a part of the human race, and is believed by many to represent the period from the Exodus to the Birth of Christ.
The “Grand Gallery” is supposed to represent the Dispensation from the Birth of Christ to the Rapture of the Church. Measured in Pyramid inches the length of the Grand Gallery is 1882 inches, and if each inch stood for a year, that would make this Dispensation 1882 years long. But it is already 1920+ years long, and this shows us that we have not yet discovered the unit of measurement if we are going to use the measurements of the interior passageways and chambers to set dates. There are, however, several striking thins connected with the “Grand Gallery.” If the commencement of the ”Grand Gallery” indicates the Birth of Christ, we have to measure but about 30 inches before we come to the mouth of an open well, that leads downward by a serpentine passage to the Chamber “H.” At “S” this well opens into a wide cavern.
The edges of the mouth of the well are ragged, as if its cover had been violently forced upward from below. The well then may represent the grave, and the open and ragged mouth the Resurrection of Christ, who could not be “holden of death,” and the cavern (S”) the “UNDERWORLD,” where His soul and spirit went to meet the penitent thief in its Paradise compartment. The seven overhanging courses of stone that form the sides of the “Grand Gallery” may represent the “Seven Church Periods.” If the “Grand Gallery” represents the present Dispensation, and the low horizontal passageway (“T”), in which it ends, represents the “Tribulation,” then we would naturally expect some outlet from the “Grand Gallery” for the “Rapture of the Church.” Upon investigation, such an opening was found in a corner of the ceiling leading into the open spaces over the ceiling of the “King’s Chamber.” See (“R”). This opening was filled with the remains of bats, showing that only winged beings could find an exit there.
The end wall of the “Grand Gallery” at this point leans inward as if to indicate that the Rapture of the Church will precede by some years the “Tribulation Period.” That the “Grand Gallery” was constructed with such grand proportions, out of all harmony with the “Tomb Theory,” seems to indicate that it was constructed with special reference to the Present Dispensation.
If the low passageway (“T”) represents the “Tribulation,” and the “Ante-Room” (“M”), the “Millennium,” the low passageway (“P”), represents the Apostasy of Gog and Magog at the close of the Millennium, and the “King’s Chamber” (“K”) the New Heavens and the New Earth, or the Eternal State.
The “King’s Chamber” is so called because it was supposed to have been built to contain the body of the King, and the “Queen’s Chamber” to hold the body of the Queen. But as we have seen the Great Pyramid was not constructed for a tomb. In the “King’s Chamber” we find the only article of furniture in the Pyramid, a “COFFER.” It is a lidless, empty box, cut from a solid block of red granite, and polished within and without, but without ornamentation or inscription. Its inside length and width is large enough to receive the Sarcophagus of a man 6 feet tall, but there is no indication of its ever being used for that purpose. The remarkable thing about it is, that its interior capacity is exactly equal to that of the Ark of the Covenant of the Tabernacle, or one-fiftieth of Solomon’s molten sea. Here again we note an agreement between the Pyramid and the Scriptures, as if the “Coffer” and the “Ark of the Covenant” were designed by the same Divine Architect.
Says Dr. Siess, “If the Pyramid was built to symbolize spiritual things, we would naturally look for some chamber or room representing the ‘NEW JERUSALEM’.” No such chamber has as yet been found, though there is evidence of the existence of an as yet undiscovered chamber. Among the debris of building material fragments of a green and white “DIORITE” stone have been found, and no stone of that kind has as yet been found anywhere in the Pyramid. If such a chamber exists it will probably be found on the 100th layer of masonry, on the vertical line of the Pyramid (“N”), and cubical in form with 3 entrances on a side.
From the mouth of the well (“W”) a horizontal passageway (“J”) leads to the chamber (“Q”), called the “Queen’s Chamber.” One-seventh of the way from the “Queen’s Chamber” it drops to a lower level and forms the unfinished floor of the “Queen’s Chamber.” This horizontal passageway is supposed to represent the Jews in their present dispersed condition, and the beginning of the passageway about 70 inches from the commencement of the “Grand Gallery,” the date of their dispersion, A. D. 70. The fact that this low horizontal passageway terminates in the “Queen’s Chamber” seems to confirm the teaching of Scripture that the Jews will again become a great and leading nation.
Paul tells us in Rom. 11:25, that “BLINDNESS IN PART is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in,” and a remarkable thing, connected with the “Queen’s Chamber,” is that it was noted for its foul air and noisome smell for lack of ventilation, but in the year 1872 a visitor to the Pyramid noticed in the south wall of the Queen’s Chamber a crack, into which he inserted a piece of wire that met no obstruction. A workman was sent for who, with a hammer and chisel, cut into the wall and disclosed an air tube (Y), evidently purposely made, and extending back about 7 feet, and then turning upward. The mouth of this tube, for 5 inches back from the side of the chamber, for some mysterious reason, had been filled up, and the existence of the tube left unknown. At the same location, on the opposite wall of the Chamber, a similar tube was discovered hidden behind the surface of the wall. Why were these tubes thus hidden if it were not with some symbolic intent? How beautifully then do they symbolize the blindness of the Jews that is to remain as Scales upon their eyes until they are converted, and as their conversion is not to be until after they have been restored to their land, symbolized by the “Queen’s Chamber,” we see how the removal of the scales from the mouth of the tubes beautifully symbolizes the removal of Israel’s blindness. The “Queen’s Chamber” might therefore well be called the “JEW’S CHAMBER.”
The position of the “Queen’s Chamber,” almost directly under the ending of the “Grand Gallery,” would seem to teach that the gathering back of the Jews would begin about the time of the ending of this Present Dispensation, which harmonizes with the teaching of the Scriptures.
The strange thing about the “Great Pyramid” is, that, if it were simply built for the sepulcher of a king and his wife, why does it record so many mathematical and astronomical facts, and why were the interior passageways and chambers so constructed and arranged as to harmonize with the prophetic teachings of the Scriptures?
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Thanks for your input. Can you give me scriptures?
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The “Grand Gallery” is supposed to represent the Dispensation from the Birth of Christ to the Rapture of the Church. Measured in Pyramid inches the length of the Grand Gallery is 1882 inches, and if each inch stood for a year, that would make this Dispensation 1882 years long. But it is already 1920+ years long, and this shows us that we have not yet discovered the unit of measurement if we are going to use the measurements of the interior passageways and chambers to set dates. There are, however, several striking thins connected with the “Grand Gallery.” If the commencement of the ”Grand Gallery” indicates the Birth of Christ, we have to measure but about 30 inches before we come to the mouth of an open well, that leads downward by a serpentine passage to the Chamber “H.” At “S” this well opens into a wide cavern.
The edges of the mouth of the well are ragged, as if its cover had been violently forced upward from below. The well then may represent the grave, and the open and ragged mouth the Resurrection of Christ, who could not be “holden of death,” and the cavern (S”) the “UNDERWORLD,” where His soul and spirit went to meet the penitent thief in its Paradise compartment. The seven overhanging courses of stone that form the sides of the “Grand Gallery” may represent the “Seven Church Periods.” If the “Grand Gallery” represents the present Dispensation, and the low horizontal passageway (“T”), in which it ends, represents the “Tribulation,” then we would naturally expect some outlet from the “Grand Gallery” for the “Rapture of the Church.” Upon investigation, such an opening was found in a corner of the ceiling leading into the open spaces over the ceiling of the “King’s Chamber.” See (“R”). This opening was filled with the remains of bats, showing that only winged beings could find an exit there.
http://thegreatpyramid.net/pyramid3.htm
Here we must tread softly lest we be charged with “Time Setting” and subject ourselves and our subject to ridicule. The interior measurements, while carefully and accurately made, can only be used approximately, for there are other things to be taken into account in drawing conclusions from them. All we shall essay to do in broad outlines to suggest what the interior arrangement of passageways and chambers may be intended to teach Dispensationally, leaving to others who may come after to verify them.
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The Great Pyramid did not always look as "rough" as it does today.
Originally it was encased with a layer of tight-fitting, highly polished 20-ton stone slabs.
* The casing stones, 144,000 in all, were so brilliant that they could literally be seen from the mountains of Israel hundreds of miles away. On bright mornings and late afternoons, sunlight reflected by this vast mirrored surface of 5-1/4 acres distinguished the Pyramid as being visible from the moon.
(Note: For those interested in possible symbolic significance, in Bible prophecy 144,000 is the number of people-12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel-who are supposed to evangelize the world at the endtime.)
SOLVING A PROPHETIC RIDDLE
There is strong evidence that Isaiah spoke of the Pyramid: "In that day there shall be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the Land of Egypt, and a monument at the border thereof to the Lord, and it shall be for a sign, and for a witness unto the Lord of Hosts in the Land of Egypt" (Isaiah 19:19-20). In the Hebrew language, each of the original 30 words has a numerical value because each Hebrew letter is also a number. When the 30 words are added up, the total is 5,449, which is one of the most significant and dominant numbers of the Pyramid. It is the exact height of the Pyramid in sacred Jewish inches.
Although the first books of the Old Testament were written at least 1,000 years after the Pyramid was built, the height of the Pyramid could not have been measured when the book of Isaiah was written, because the geometry required to make such a measurement had not yet been developed. Also, the base of the Pyramid was obscured by shifting sand.
Of course, being located both "in the midst" of Egypt and at the same time "at the border" seems to be a logical impossibility. However, in ancient times before the unification of the country, there was lower Egypt (north) and upper Egypt (south). The borderline between the two Egypts goes right through the Pyramid, thus placing the Pyramid both in the center and at the border of Egypt.
more information below links
http://www.europa.com/~edge/pyramid.html
http://www.europa.com/~edge/giza.html
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22What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25As he says in Hosea:
"I will call them 'my people' who are not my people;
and I will call her 'my loved one' who is not my loved one,"[i] 26and,
"It will happen that in the very place where it was said to them,
'You are not my people,'
they will be called 'sons of the living God.' "[j]
27Isaiah cries out concerning Israel:
"Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea,
only the remnant will be saved.
28For the Lord will carry out
his sentence on earth with speed and finality."[k]
29It is just as Isaiah said previously:
"Unless the Lord Almighty
had left us descendants,
we would have become like Sodom,
we would have been like Gomorrah."[l]
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Symbolizing a "remnant" ?
I am asking.
We all know that God is gonna have Him a remnant. He makes this clear throughout scripture.
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Why 12,000 from each? When dealing with Israel God uses certain numbers like:
How often should we forgive?
70 x 7 = forever or always
Object of punishment or self denial?
40 ( Israelites wander)
Jesus fasted for 40 days
Moses remained on the Mountain of God 40 days
There are 12 tribes of Isreal (the annointed one)
There are 12 tribes of objection (Ishmael)
144,000 signifies global. They go out by twos, like Noah brought in the land breathers in by twos. So if you look at how many groups 12,000.
The 13th so claimed psuedo-tribe of Israel are wolves in sheep clothing they are from the synagogue of Satan ( Khazia of Gog). I know in the KJV av 1611 almost all multiple of 13 has something to with sin, the Devil or evil. (Rev 3:9)
Its a God thing why he chose to love the world and it would take a multitude to reach them
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They appear to be found also in Revelation 14?
1Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads. 2And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.
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Thoughts:
*Is 144,000 an actual number or metaphor?
*Gentiles have been "grafted" in (Romans 11) because of the jews unbelief...did 144,000 turn into the "multitude"?
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Question:
The 144,000 in Rev 7... are these 144,000 part of the "multitude" in verse 9?
Can you explain these 144,000. Obviously they are jews but why 12,000 from each tribe?
Help me out?
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