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Chaplain Bob
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"I have her the definition of 'shrine" and the reason why "shrine" is not a Christian Concept."
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You're grasping at straws here. I would have no problem with calling the church I attend a shrine. If you keep nit-picking like this you'll be worn out before your next birthday.
There are a lot of "Christian concepts" that are not Biblical. Perhaps you should ferret out some of those and preach on them.
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Originally posted by MySavingGrace:
I don't consider the poster mean. Its a bit of mumbo, but its ok.
I smy havign a statue of jesus and a standing holy trinity cross ok then?
Is one of the things that thing the pope has that looks like a sun?
There is no problem with having statues or pictures of Jesus. The problem is praying to them or to statues of "saints" or the Virgin Mary.
The Roman Catholic church has many icons, apparently to make their faith more real to them. But there is no power or life in these icons and those elevated to "sainthood" by the RC church and the Virgin Mary cannot hear prayers as they are, at worst, dead or, at best, in Paradise with Jesus and cannot hear prayers. Also there is no Biblical support for prayers to these people.
Keep your eyes on Jesus and God and don't be distracted by non-Biblical things.
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MySavingGrace
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still, do you mean that sun looking thing priests and the pope have? I htink it has a relic of something in there.
Also, what do you think about relics and using them?
But, I hae a Jesus statue and a holy trinity cross. But, Jesus is part of God and the trinity I would never put a saint before jesus. Soetimes, I hear people say to pray to this saint for this but there is no mention of Jesus. We need to keep JEsus and God first, before all other things. There is nothing more holy, more powerufl, or more loving than them. I have a stained glass stick on window thing of the holy spirit, the dove for my window. I have one of Jesus too. But, I couldn't imagine me decorating my room with nothing but things that are not Jesus or God related. I also couldn't consider confession to a person for my sin being absolved. It should be with me and God. God is a jealous God and it puts mortals in a way as having more power than he does.
I think many Cahtolics say that it is suported in scripture that there is confession etc. But, I do'nt think so I also odn' tlike women not giving homilies or being ordained.
I think saints could be examples of how to live an dthings. But, I don't feel like putitng any saint before Jesus or God. I think its considered like how u ask a friend to pray for you, you are asking the saint. But, I could be wrong.
Are all shrines Catholic then? I see the word shrine, I don't associate with any particular branch of Christianity. Also, my faincee's parents are Catholic. So, if I wanna go to church with them, I don't wanna disrespect them either.
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C'mon Help. Obviously from the post MySavingGrace is not very mature in the faith. Why not just stick to answering those things that are not clear to him/her instead of preaching with what I'm sure will be mumbo-jumbo to MSG? The things you brought up can be explained in much simpler terms to a new Believer. You actually seem to be scolding.
Chaplain Bob:
I believe that there are very clear lines between Biblical Christianity and Catholicism and between those lines souls are at stake.
Reading many posts over a few months it is obvious to me that this line is not clear to all people.
This poster says that she did not know the definition of Shrine.
I have her the definition of 'shrine" and the reason why "shrine" is not a Christian Concept.
If you think that this is mumbo jumbo that is fine;you are entitled to your opinion.
I was surprised that MSG did because she seems much smarter than this to me and surely able to digest a Webster's definition of the word shrine and simple explainations of why Christians do not practice iconology and why church is what we are and not where we go.
Since you dont know me, let me say that my style is pretty direct or strait forward. My vocabulary also unashamedly includes the words sin, and repent and judgment and I dont mix psychobabble with Christianese and call it Christianity. I am against the currently popular eccumenical movement and I believe the term "Seeker Senstitive" is really a big huge flashing neon sign that says "Broad Path that Leads to Destruction", but it is written in a cleaverly disquised serpent language that too many cant read. And I believe that God who is love is both good and severe and jealous and at all times just, righteous and Holy.
These are not things that everyone appreciates. That does not offend me. God has made us a diverse body to minister to the diverse needs of a diverse body. If I preach, I preach when I am led to preach and I preach what I am led to preach. I let God work out the rest. I dont worry about who the hearing is for. That is HIS business. Mine is to be obedient to HIM.
If you feel led to answer the question what is a shrine in a different way, then by all means do so. We may be called to preach to different people.
If you dont like how I answered it, you will have to take that up with a higher authority than I.
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Originally posted by helpforhomeschoolers:
shrine- noun (plural shrines)
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1. holy place of worship: a sacred place of worship associated with a holy person or event
We who are born again do not worship in a HOlY Place - WE ARE a Holy Place - the temple of the living God. And we worship HIM in Spirit
2. container for holy relics: a case or other container for sacred relics such as the bones of a saint
Relics are not HOLY God is HOLY and WE who are the Children of God are Holy because He is Holy - but we are not our bones. We are Saints of the Most High God who are born again. We understand that our bones are seeds to be sown in corruption - food for the serpent. Dust that returns to dust.
3. tomb of holy person: the tomb of a saint or other revered figure
We do not reverence the tomb, but the rising from the tomb
4. niche for religious icon: a ledge or alcove for a religious icon, e.g. in a church
A church is not a place. We who are the born again children of God are THE Church. We do not cherish religious icons or anything made with hands for these are the things of men and the things of this world - we do not enshrine icons - this is known as Idolotry
5. something revered: an object or place revered for its associations or history
We do not revere things, but the things of God which are not temporal, not earthly but spiritual
transitive verb (past and past participle shrined, present participle shrin·ing, 3rd person present singular shrines)
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Same as enshrine (sense 2)
The only thing that the Born Again child of God enshrines is GOD and we enshrine HIM in our hearts. But we call it sanctifying HIM in our hearts.
There is not a place for Shrines with the body and Bride of Christ.
C'mon Help. Obviously from the post MySavingGrace is not very mature in the faith. Why not just stick to answering those things that are not clear to him/her instead of preaching with what I'm sure will be mumbo-jumbo to MSG? The things you brought up can be explained in much simpler terms to a new Believer. You actually seem to be scolding.
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helpforhomeschoolers
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shrine- noun (plural shrines)
Definitions:
1. holy place of worship: a sacred place of worship associated with a holy person or event
We who are born again do not worship in a HOlY Place - WE ARE a Holy Place - the temple of the living God. And we worship HIM in Spirit
2. container for holy relics: a case or other container for sacred relics such as the bones of a saint
Relics are not HOLY God is HOLY and WE who are the Children of God are Holy because He is Holy - but we are not our bones. We are Saints of the Most High God who are born again. We understand that our bones are seeds to be sown in corruption - food for the serpent. Dust that returns to dust.
3. tomb of holy person: the tomb of a saint or other revered figure
We do not reverence the tomb, but the rising from the tomb
4. niche for religious icon: a ledge or alcove for a religious icon, e.g. in a church
A church is not a place. We who are the born again children of God are THE Church. We do not cherish religious icons or anything made with hands for these are the things of men and the things of this world - we do not enshrine icons - this is known as Idolotry
5. something revered: an object or place revered for its associations or history
We do not revere things, but the things of God which are not temporal, not earthly but spiritual
transitive verb (past and past participle shrined, present participle shrin·ing, 3rd person present singular shrines)
Definitions:
( literary )
Same as enshrine (sense 2)
The only thing that the Born Again child of God enshrines is GOD and we enshrine HIM in our hearts. But we call it sanctifying HIM in our hearts.
There is not a place for Shrines with the body and Bride of Christ.
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MySavingGrace
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I htought shrine was a deifnition of church so I don't really know the difference. We're proably gorna go somewhere at a Calvary Cahpel if they have a night sevice (its non denominational I think.) I odn' treally know the differences between a shrine and a church. I ahve a Jesus statue and a holy trinity cross. I don't see that as a false idol though or antyhing. What is a graven image, I'm confused by that?
What is a shrine then? I thought a shrine just meant a fancy church or maybe older or type of churhc. I don't really know the difference. My fiancee's parents are CAhtolic, so if I go to church with them, I have no choice but to go to their church too.
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Please explain about the shrine?
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It sounds like manipulation. I wouldn't do it.
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I have a problem with the use of shrine. We do not pray to a shrine, nor is God housed in a shrine. Even to pray to a craving of Jesus is a sin. Simply, because the carving is man made, Jesus made us not the other way around.
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Bat Elohim
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what kind of shrine?
the rest of it sounds great! but be prepared for a negative reaction.
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Numbers 6:24 May ADONAI bless you and keep you. 25 May ADONAI make his face shine on you and show you his favor. 26 May ADONAI lift up his face toward you and give you peace.
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MySavingGrace
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So, my birthday is on Wednesday. My fiancee has day off, so this may work too. I odn't know if my dad would go along, but I can see my mom going along. Waht if I told her I don't want anything material or a fancy dinner but her to go to church with me/ Maybe visit the shrine I like on Wednesday and feel the presence of God there. And, maybe go to service that Saturday coming up.
And, maybe me giving her a Bible instead of her giving me something as the gift I'd like most. Maybe reading it with her.
What do you think?
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