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I am sorry, but I cannot relate taxes and the payment thereof, to the submission of my ability to be alone, to be private, to buy and sell, to get education, etc.
These two differ greatly in their implications.
The RFID chip and this technology, has the ability to track ALL personal information, banking info, usernames, passwords, pins, driver id, address, DOB, SSN, need I go on?
When the banking institutions REQUIRE the chip in order to transact (Just like Revelation) this is not simply paying taxes.
How is it then, that when something of this level of privacy invasion becomes law that you can reduce it to simply a requirement to comply with local law?
You cannot reduce the rapture, or ANY other prophetic event described in the Word down to one scripture. 100's of scriptures describe and lead to these events.
Line upon line, precept uppon precept, I can show you that we are indeed in the last days. Never before in history can it be shown, however it can now.
Substantiated beginning in 1948, we are now seeing prophecy unfold before our eyes every day.
And yes, MANY "experts" are preaching, teaching, and waiting / watching as they too see the end is near.
I would not put my faith in experts either - Put your faith in the Lord and pray for His revelation regarding these things.
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In regard to "end times prophecy", I believe that what we have are various "pieces" of a "prophetic" jigsaw puzzle. Some of these "pieces" have been identified from specific passages of Scripture, particularly those in Daniel and Revelation. And some biblical and historic scholars have been able to put some of these "pieces" together to present "images" of some particular features of the "prophetic" picture. We may have most of the "framing pieces" in place, but no one has been able to put all of the "pieces" together into a connected display that shows a clear connection between each and all of the features that may be identified. For example, there doesn't seem to be any total agreement among the "experts" in regard to the precise arrangement of the feature identified as the period of "tribulation" (from Daniel) and the "rapture" (from 1 Thessalonians).
Although some of these "experts" have tried to develop a time-line for the order in which some of these basic features would appear, they are not conclusive. So we are left with "images" of "prophetic" "features" that we cannot clearly connect to each other, and some of them are even difficult to place within an historic frame of time.
And this inability to connect all of the "features" together or to visualize a "time-line" or even a calendar for these prophetic events is in keeping with Jesus' statement that, "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" (Mt 24:36), which you cited.
He urged his disciples "to keep watch" and "to be ready", because "the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him" (Mt 24:43-44).
So I'm going to try to be "ready" without having to put all of the "prophetic pieces" together. These "pieces" include the feature in Rev. 13:16, which is the focus of much of this topic.
In regard to this particular passage of Scripture and its feature, I will just briefly indicate that I don't believe that we are currently under any worldwide political authority of anyone that is the "Anti-Christ", so I don't see anyone trying to impose his "mark" upon people throughout the world.
I will look at this passage of Scripture more closely, but I don't see any well-respected biblical commentator indicating that this "mark" is an ID chip that the "followers" of Jesus must refuse to accept under their skins. I may be able to comment further regarding this after I do some more study.
Please answer my question regarding the Pharisee's test to Jesus about paying taxes; are we being subjected to the same test in this discussion?
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So what DO you believe aboutg end times prophecy then Bob?
For starters, what is your belief in what this means?
Rev 13
16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.
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I'm not sure that accepting an ID chip is a "damnable sin". It may be just a necessary item for doing business in the world.
When the Pharisees tested Jesus with their question regarding whether or not those who follow "the way of God" should "pay taxes to Caesar or not" (see Mt 22:16 & 19), Jesus asked to see "the coin used for paying the tax". When he clarified with the Pharisees that it was Caesar's "portrait" and "inscription" on the coin, he told them to "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's" (see Mt 22:18-21).
Are we being subjected to the same test? It seems to me to be clear from Jesus' response to these Pharisees that he concluded that it was OK for followers of "the way of God" to pay their taxes with coins that had the mark of "Caesar" upon them. He apparently didn't feel that the use of such coins indicated that the user was in any way worshipping Caesar or engaging in any form of idolatry.
Not only did Jesus apparently approve of his followers paying their taxes to Rome, but he also apparently approved of them paying "the temple tax". When Peter was asked whether or not Jesus paid this tax, Jesus instructed him to pay this tax for him and Peter with a "four-drachma coin" that Peter would secure from the mouth of a fish that he would catch from the lake (see Mt 17:24-27).
I think that we need to be careful about relating participating in the commercial activities that are required for living "in the world" with worshipping the "beast", which may be identified as the "anti-Christ" or even Satan himself.
I'm not sure that God's "mark" of ownership for his children, the indwelling Holy Spirit, can be negated by a micro chip under one's skin. I don't think that we should be scareing each other and others who may be seeking to know Jesus with some of the interpretations of Scriptures that are being expressed in this topic. That is just my humble opinion.
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Wow.. lots to read. thanks for all the information . been wondering when this stuff was coming to us. just one step closer...one step...one step... i don't know about you folks , but i can't wait.. one step closer to see His face. to live in Glory... such peace ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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I put this page on my website a few years ago.
The Time of the Mark is Here
I believe most everyone is familiar with the now advanced, yet ever so subtle technology that is being used today to keep your kids located (In Europe particularly), identify felons and convicts, travelers, RFID for numerous patient health care reasons, and so on. It exists today, is being used now, and is being widely accepted as the right thing to do.
Presented as a need which outweighs concerns, it is very smoothly being integrated into our society, and people are buying into it rapidly for its ease of use, and much more.
Consider this first - John told us it would take wisdom -
Revelation 13 -
16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.
This cannot be "Spiritual" because it denotes a literal mark used for buying and selling (More on this in a moment)
The RFID and similar technology microchip is about the size of a grain of rice, or in some cases round and about the size of a small ibuprofen pill, only flat and thin.
Research proved that the only effective area to implant it are in the forehead or hand.
While they have used under the arm, and a few other places, the "IDEAL" locations are exactly as John described.
People have always wondered and attempted to "calculate" the names, causing disputes in regarding what it meant and how to determine the meaning of "666" and the "mark of the beast".
God brought to life The Revelation of St. John the Divine for a reason - To help us prepare for what lies ahead. To give insight and understanding without fear, so we as "His Chosen" would not "Take The Mark" when the time came.
God knew everything before it happened and has already planned our path through the soon to come Great Tribulation.
He has already determined the final outcome – WE WIN!! – through Jesus Christ - AMEN!!
During the time of the "Mark of the Beast", God will raise his church (at the rapture, the Catching Away, the Translating of the Restrainer) and pour out his wrath upon the rest of the world.
Over the last two or three decades there has been extensive advancement in technology, just as Daniel said there would be - Another fulfillment of prophecy never before seen as he described.
One in particular is that infamous "Mark of the Beast".
The original purpose of the RFID type chip was to restore mobility to people with severed nerves, then it was discovered that it could be used to modify behaviour. This opened a whole new area of research and development.
Certain World Governments, development companies, and several other foundations quickly realized that there were much more important uses commercially and personally.
These more important uses begin with simple versions already being used world wide to keep track of pets and other animals, as well as children, convicts, certain types of medical patients, travelers, and more as I mentioned earlier.
InfoPet has been endorsed by the ASPCA and has been selected as the global standard for zoos and aquariums by the Captive Breeding Specialist Group of the IUCN. Hundreds of zoos worldwide, as well as government agencies in at least 21 countries are using the trovan system for animal identification purposes.
Bracelet tracks kids by satellite - Two United States companies have unveiled tracking bracelets that can locate a child within 60 seconds of a distress call being sent.
The bracelets transmit a signal that is picked up by the Global Positioning System network of navigational satellites.
The devices are being sold by rival US companies.
It's most important applications they say are positive identification and control.
We can uniquely identify over 34 billion recipients and locate any one of them via satellite to within a few feet of their location.
Testing and development in humans is well advanced in numerous countries.
Several years ago Sweden tested the chip in 6,000 men, and the U.S. in 17,000 babies -neither found any reported side effects (Easing into the public, seemingly very helpful, useful and safe)
The chips usually contains a tiny lithium battery with charging circuits activated by skin temp changes.
Therefore, it must be placed in a position where temperature changes occur most rapidly.
More than 1.5 million dollars was spent finding out that the two places in the body that the temperature changes the most rapidly are in the forehead - Preferred, and the back of the hand.
Advanced versions of these chips contain the same information as the SmartCards.
They can store huge amounts of personal data like your photo, your identity, any criminal record and your purchasing history -(Most important for tracking Buying and Selling)
It also has the ability to be used in the same way as any credit, debit or EFTPOS card, but with the added ability that it can be filled up with a cash value that can be used whenever you do shopping. Touted as the wave of the future and the best thing to come along.
Plans are in place to make acceptance of the chip natural, logical and beneficial to the general public as is already being done at am alarming rate.
A beast that wants to appear as harmless and desirable – in order to obtain the greatest degree of acceptance.
Right now it is still voluntary – just like credit cards – and a great proportion of the population will receive them very willingly –
The benefits of using the "Voluntary" ID Chips -
Never fear losing your baby or any other relative again.
Never lose your money or credit card again.
No more credit card fraud – because nobody can steal your chip or even use your chip number (I wonder what the number of the AntiChrist's Chip will be) separately from your chip.
No need to carry money – just charge up your hand with a cash value that can be used in public transport and other places that don't have a phone link with banks - This is happening now in certain electronic maker corporate structures.
No need to carry a driver's license or passport because all the information can be contained in the chip.
It is rapidly becoming widespread and accepted.
We can expect to see alternate things like cash and credit cards slowly disappear until the chip becomes the only legal way to buy or sell (Sounds like Revelation to me)
Using cash, checks and credit cards will disappear - Banks will adjust their fees on these services to eliminate them for the "better" chip method -
People will not be able to use government services or receive government benefits without the chip to identify themselves.
People will not be able to get employment without the chip to identify themselves.
The governments will impose the highest tax rates to anyone not onboard with the ID chip.
You won't be able to get paid or use your $$$, bank or pay bills without the chip.
Hand readers will be everywhere, including the average home to allow internet buying and selling.
Passports are already doing it, and it is only a matter of time before driver's licenses will be completely replaced by the chip
International travel is already doing this and driving will eventually be limited to those who have the chip.
The ability to buy or sell ANYTHING – without the chip – will gradually diminish and eventually disappear altogether.
Laws are already in place, and others are on the way, in preparation for the chip.
Eventually, it will become law for everyone to have the chip.
Christians will refuse to accept it, creating a faster paced requirement and making it become law much faster.
The President of the United States already has the power to enforce the use of the chip - (Section 100 of the Emigration and Control Act of 1996.)
There are bills before the U.S. congress right now that will allow them to inject a microchip in your baby at the time of birth for identification purposes.
The book of Revelation was written in Greek, so it is important to note that any interpretation will need to consider the Greek version of the text in order to get the clearest possible understanding.
mark charagma
(khar'-ag-mah) A scratch or etching ie. a stamp (as a badge of servitude). It comes from charasso (which means to sharpen to a point.) {A microchip is an etching in a piece of silicon.}
name onoma
(on'-om-ah) A "name" (literally or figuratively) [authority, character] – eg. Having the authority of someone's name.
count psephizo
(psay-fid'-zo) To use pebbles in enumeration, ie. (in general) to compute or count. {Silicon chips are small pebbles of sand.)
man's anthropos
(anth'-ro-pos) Man-faced, ie. a human being – particularly a certain individual.
666 chi xi stigma
(khee xee stig'-ma) This can be interpreted as either a number (666) or as text:
"chi" means 600;
"xi" means 60.
"stigma" means 6, but also means a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership). It comes from stizo (to "stick", ie. prick).
In Context -
{16} He [the second beast] caused everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive an etching of servitude (a chip made with a sharp point) in their right hand, or in their foreheads; {17} so that no one could buy or sell unless they had the etching of servitude, or the authority of the beast, or the number of his authority. {18} Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast, for it is an individual's [identification] number. His number is incised with a pricking action.
"Etching" may refer to the incision into the skin, but more likely it refers to the chip itself, because that is exactly how microchips are made - by etching a piece of silicon with a sharp or pointed electron beam.
That some will be able to operate using "the authority of the beast" or with "the number of his authority" suggests that a select few, will have the authority to buy and sell etc without the chip being implanted in their hand or forehead.
If "the number of his authority" is interpreted as "the number of his name", then it could mean that you would be able to use your identification number manually (for phone or internet purchases) but this is inconsistent with the purpose of the chip.
In Rev 16:2 it says there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men who had the mark of the beast -
If the lithium in the chip escapes into the body, that's what'll happen!
Although there are numerous ways that the secular world has used the number 666 the interpretation of chi xi stigma as a number (666) is irrelevant.
The way to read it is, "Your identification number, incised or pricked into the skin."
Look at how closely the chip fits the description in Scripture. We are indeed very close to the time of the the Great Tribulation - Which means the Rapture IS INDEED VERY SOON!
The Bible says many Christians will give up their faith over the issue of whether or not to receive the mark - Again, another reason to believe it is tangible and not Spiritual.
They will do this because resisting will be too hard –
The Word of God says this
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receives the mark of his name - Rev 14:9-11
The time of the mark is here - We are better prepared because we trust and believe in God's Word -
The world will hate you for standing firm in your Christian faith. We must hold fast to the reward that God has for those who hold on to their faith and do not give in.
Christ IS coming to Rapture the Church Very Soon I believe!! AMEN!!
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Steven Van Fleet, an executive at International Paper, looks forward to the prospect. "We'll put a radio frequency ID tag on everything that moves in the North American supply chain," he enthused recently.
The ultimate goal is for RFID to create a "physically linked world" in which every item on the planet is numbered, identified, catalogued, and tracked. And the technology exists to make this a reality. Described as "a political rather than a technological problem," creating a global system "would . . . involve negotiation between, and consensus among, different countries." Supporters are aiming for worldwide acceptance of the technologies needed to build the infrastructure within the next few years.
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RFID employs a numbering scheme called EPC (for "electronic product code") which can provide a unique ID for any physical object in the world. The EPC is intended to replace the UPC bar code used on products today.
Unlike the bar code, however, the EPC goes beyond identifying product categories--it actually assigns a unique number to every single item that rolls off a manufacturing line. For example, each pack of cigarettes, individual can of soda, light bulb or package of razor blades produced would be uniquely identifiable through its own EPC number.
Once assigned, this number is transmitted by a radio frequency ID tag (RFID) in or on the product. These tiny tags, predicted by some to cost less than 1 cent each, are "somewhere between the size of a grain of sand and a speck of dust." They are to be built directly into food, clothes, drugs, or auto-parts during the manufacturing process.
Receiver or reader devices are used to pick up the signal transmitted by the RFID tag. Proponents envision a pervasive global network of millions of receivers along the entire supply chain -- in airports, seaports, highways, distribution centers, warehouses, retail stores, and in the home. This would allow for seamless, continuous identification and tracking of physical items as they move from one place to another, enabling companies to determine the whereabouts of all their products at all times.
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RFID chips, tiny tracking devices the size of a grain of dust, can be used to secretly identify you and the things you're carrying--right through your clothes, wallet, backpack, or purse.
Have you already taken one home with you?
A new consumer goods tracking system called Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) is poised to enter all of our lives, with profound implications for consumer privacy. RFID couples radio frequency (RF) identification technology with highly miniaturized computers that enable products to be identified and tracked at any point along the supply chain.
The system could be applied to almost any physical item, from ballpoint pens to toothpaste, which would carry their own unique information in the form of an embedded chip. The chip sends out an identification signal allowing it to communicate with reader devices and other products embedded with similar chips.
Analysts envision a time when the system will be used to identify and track every item produced on the planet.
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I'm really sick of the loss of freedom in this country and the maggots who are traitors pushing this crud.
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thank you green candle for sharing these links.
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Jesus said that we should not be troubled, that these things must happen.
So, the things that are happening in the world today move us closer to the time when He comes again.
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What is referred to as a "smart card" is the method by which these cards will operate.
They will contain the inclusion of RFID technology which will mean a tiny microchip implanted in their make up which will contain pertinent data on each cardholder respectively.
The data will be available to such machines as Card readers that will transmit a signal that the card will answer with a download to the reader of the contents of the cards chip.
This information will consist of medical records, and personall data like previous convictions, be they federal or state, perhaps a military record of service, and a link to the big computer data bases which hold other info such as financial, political, personal, and other data deemed appropriate for collection and storage of every ones personal lives....
Money and hardware has been allocated to this intelligence project in the past, but it was disassembled into chunks by congress, though they did not stop its separate entities from completion.
The re-combination of these elements will be swift and the original intentions of it met with the issuance of these national IDs.
The data base already exists!
The cards will also act as a survielance tool of unerring accuracy that will be employed against every american and foriegn resident.
All movement within the country and outside it will be monitored through large computing capacity,and the card will be required for so many things as to give a very detailed description of movements and whereabouts, as well as financial and other information that will make our lives transparant to analysis and subject to review and question with very little personal freedom or privacy allowed to exist.
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The ID card is only the first step of the process.
The second step is Human Microchip Implants.
The REAL ID act will be too easily counterfeited by illegals and criminals. It will be this way by design.
After the REAL ID act is shown to be obsolete, the implants will be introduced.
It's all part of the plan folks.
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Digital Angel Corporation develops advanced RFID and GPS technologies that enable rapid and accurate identification, location tracking, and condition monitoring of high-value assets
Since when did Human Beings become "High-Value Assets" for corporations?
I have never thought of myself as a high-value asset for a corporation. I've thought of myself as a piece of the Creator. Maybe thats just me though.
So folks, how is it going to feel to be monitored by a corporation that considers you to be a "High-Value-Asset" when you owe no allegiance what-so-ever to it?
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The corrupt section of our Government is going to combine all of this information into GIG (Global Information Grid) a tracking/information unit that is the next stage of Digital Angel.
Digital Angel Corporation develops advanced RFID and GPS technologies that enable rapid and accurate identification, location tracking, and condition monitoring of high-value assets. Applications for our products include identification and monitoring of pets, humans, fish and livestock through our patented implantable microchips as well as message monitoring of aircraft in remote locations through integrated GPS and geosynchronous satellite communications systems.
http://www.digitalangelcorp.com/ <--- Digital Angel's website.
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There has been a bill passed by our goverment that will force us into getting yet another form of national idetification. This card, labled "REAL ID", will be in full affect by May 11th 2008 and will be a requirement from our government to obtain jobs, use national transportation (airplanes, trains, etc...), and eventually in order to buy things.
Real ID is a card that transmits a signal to surrounding machinery providing personal information and documentation to whoever obtains control of these set scanners.
We the People do have the power to still prevent this from happening. By voicing your opinion to your state's senators through mail, email, phone calls, protesting; we can block our states from participating in vanquishing our freedom.
Again, this card will be distributed by May 11th 2008 and the bill for it has been passed by The House, The Senate, and The President. However each state has the right to not participate, as shown already by New Hampshire. If you do NOT want to participate in giving away your freedom, please advise your state representative and vote accordingly.
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The Real ID Act, passed by Congress and signed by President Bush on May 11, 2005, mandates that all U.S. citizens will receive a National ID card by May of 2008.
Without this National ID, you won't...
Drive your car
Board a plane, train, or bus
Enter any federal building
Open a bank account
Hold a job
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XObbEwI6P4
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