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1Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking. 2 I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles.
3First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." 5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

8But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

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Thanks, Peter. Seems you nailed it quite squarely on the head.

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Originally posted by NotsoFast:
Aaron...Is Paul speaking directly to you in this verse?..is the present 2007?...no need to run or ban me...anwser if you can..

1 Corinthians 15:6-After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto [this present], but some are fallen asleep.

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Speaking to me? No. Of course not. How is this even a challenge?

Might I ask: for whose sake is the Lord saying this prayer?

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"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

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Rev 22:12-13 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

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Rev 22:17 "And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely."

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For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;

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Everything I have posted is within guideline and scripture backed..most of those who have opposed what I have posted offered no scriptural refute.

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Oh I agree 100% that it is profitable for us today..and I am not debating it..what I am or was trying to present was how when we read scripture..we unconsciously slip ourselves into the conversation or verse and make it seem as though Paul or the writer was directly writing to us individually..when in fact..we read what WAS said to a individual or group..this is how I believe the Bible was written...it was written For us...but not TO us and that does not mean it has no implications..

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AH, ok. I've got no problem with that: there's an abundance of myth that is taught as "doctrine" in the church today. However, as I've noted, there are some passages that are clearly written to "future readers" not to mention the prophesies that have yet to be concluded. Some of your posts in other threads lend me to believe you may not believe that there is prophesy in scripture that is yet to be fulfilled (like the "666 Beast was really Nero Caesar" crowd). To which I can only say "hang on", for if you are not looking for it then it will take you by surprise.

If one makes such an assertion (that of scripture being "to us" not "for us") what, in your opinion, are the resulting errors? [edit]Nevermind, I've read more of your posts. I've heard this doctrine before; its roots are in the traditions of the gnostics and should not be tolerated. If you don't stop teaching these things I will press for your removal from this board.

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Oh I agree 100% that it is profitable for us today..and I am not debating it..what I am or was trying to present was how when we read scripture..we unconsciously slip ourselves into the conversation or verse and make it seem as though Paul or the writer was directly writing to us individually..when in fact..we read what WAS said to a individual or group..this is how I believe the Bible was written...it was written For us...but not TO us and that does not mean it has no implications..

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AH, ok. I've got no problem with that: there's an abundance of myth that is taught as "doctrine" in the church today. However, as I've noted, there are some passages that are clearly written to "future readers" not to mention the prophesies that have yet to be concluded. Some of your posts in other threads lend me to believe you may not believe that there is prophesy in scripture that is yet to be fulfilled (like the "666 Beast was really Nero Caesar" crowd). To which I can only say "hang on", for if you are not looking for it then it will take you by surprise.

If one makes such an assertion (that of scripture being "to us" not "for us") what, in your opinion, are the resulting errors? [edit]Nevermind, I've read more of your posts. I've heard this doctrine before; its roots are in the traditions of the gnostics and should not be tolerated. If you don't stop teaching these things I will press for your removal from this board.

Aaron

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Originally posted by Parousia:
Oh I agree 100% that it is profitable for us today..and I am not debating it..what I am or was trying to present was how when we read scripture..we unconsciously slip ourselves into the conversation or verse and make it seem as though Paul or the writer was directly writing to us individually..when in fact..we read what WAS said to a individual or group..this is how I believe the Bible was written...it was written For us...but not TO us and that does not mean it has no implications..

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If we have someone living today that witnessed this event alongside the 499 other persons who witnessed it...then by all means this letter was written directly to us today..

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The letter was clearly written to the Christians in Corinth. But it seems you are asking "Is the information in the letter significant to us today?" That is clear as well, "yes". Its significance has nothing to do with being a witness to Christ's resurrection nor does it have anything to do with the location of our house.

It's significant because it's "God-breathed" and "profitable" for our maturing in Christ... as is all scripture. I don't see how this is debatable.

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If we have someone living today that witnessed this event alongside the 499 other persons who witnessed it...then by all means this letter was written directly to us today..

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The letter was clearly written to the Christians in Corinth. But it seems you are asking "Is the information in the letter significant to us today?" That is clear as well, "yes". Its significance has nothing to do with being a witness to Christ's resurrection nor does it have anything to do with the location of our house.

It's significant because it's "God-breathed" and "profitable" for our maturing in Christ... as is all scripture. I don't see how this is debatable.

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Originally posted by Caretaker:
There you go again wresting scriptures out of their context.

The Word of God is divinely inspired, written to all Believers.

The verse you question, to try to substantiate your error, is written to establish Paul's position as an Apostle. This it does, as He was witness to our resurrected Lord, along with the 500.

The Word stands Perousia, and all your denials have zero credibility. Your position is contrary to the Word and rejected by any true follower of Christ Jesus our Lord.

HE will return and may HE not find you continuing to bring false teaching.

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This is just one of many scriptures that is found within the pages of the Bible.As you read this scripture I would like to have your input as if you think this scripture was written FOR you or TO you..There are those who seem to think the scriptures have been written directly to the audience of today rather than believe the original setting of the 1st century..


1 Corinthians 15:6-After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

Now..please be honest..Do we have some who have survived to this present day that have personally witnessed this event?

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To anwser your question Parousia...No we do not..that scripture should prove when we read that book chapter and verse..we are indee reading what was written to someone else

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There are those who deny scripture. Those who wrest the scriptures out of their proper context, to their own deception.

There are those who receive and believe the eternal Truth of God's Holy Word.

Actually the 1st Epistle to the Corinthians WAS addressed to us all:

1 Cor. 1:
1: Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2: Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
3: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

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This is just one of many scriptures that is found within the pages of the Bible.As you read this scripture I would like to have your input as if you think this scripture was written FOR you or TO you..There are those who seem to think the scriptures have been written directly to the audience of today rather than believe the original setting of the 1st century..


1 Corinthians 15:6-After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

Now..please be honest..Do we have some who have survived to this present day that have personally witnessed this event?

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To anwser your question Parousia...No we do not..that scripture should prove when we read that book chapter and verse..we are indee reading what was written to someone else

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This is just one of many scriptures that is found within the pages of the Bible.As you read this scripture I would like to have your input as if you think this scripture was written FOR you or TO you..There are those who seem to think the scriptures have been written directly to the audience of today rather than believe the original setting of the 1st century..


1 Corinthians 15:6-After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

Now..please be honest..Do we have some who have survived to this present day that have personally witnessed this event?

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When Jesus was on the cross. He knew me. If we believe that Jesus was and has always been God since the begining, then He knows all things. So, we can say that Jesus died for me, because he knew who I was before I was ever born. This has always been hard for me to grasp, but either we believe that Jesus is God and all knowing or we don't.
When Jesus told Thomas that blessed were those who would believe on Him without seeing with their own eyes, He saw all us who were born after He went back to Heaven.

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This is just one of many scriptures that is found within the pages of the Bible.As you read this scripture I would like to have your input as if you think this scripture was written FOR you or TO you..There are those who seem to think the scriptures have been written directly to the audience of today rather than believe the original setting of the 1st century..


1 Corinthians 15:6-After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

Now..please be honest..Do we have some who have survived to this present day that have personally witnessed this event?

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No. All who saw Jesus and His resurrected body have fallen asleep.

However, some saints alive today may receive a spiritual revelation of the Lord "in person".

As far as the Bible written "for" or "to" us the answer is "both". Discernment is needed to know the difference.

For instance this passage of scripture:

Jesus has just prayed for his disciples and then he prays: “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me."

This is definitely written "to" me and to all who believe in the Lord.

Aaron

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