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BrazilianMommy
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There are churches and churches..Right now we are in the Great Apostasy fase and even the elect are being deceived.
It does not surprise me that churches celebrate evolution. I saw on tv another day, people from a "Christian" church getting explanations from a Muslim on how to pray for Allah and guess what? Older and even some teens in the room, went down on their knees, did the signs whatever and even repeated the words (in Arabic) that the guy said.
Question, did this people ever seen a bible before? Do they know they are not supposed to bow down to anything else but Jeovah?
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there apparently is always a side to the church which seeks to compromise and "not make waves", like in China, they had the Government-"approved" registered, "Three-??? Church", whose members were registered Christians.
And then there were the more dangerous house churches.
You may remember the story that I think brother Andrew told about a Three-??? Church, into which Chinese soldiers stormed and yelled, "whoever is not a Christian, you can leave". When most of the registered Christians in the Three-??? Church ran safely out, when they were all gone, the soldiers took off their uniform and yelled, brothers, we too are Christians; now we know who truly believes! Let us pray.
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Originally posted by Stophie:
I have to say it is disturbing. I too, cannot understand why the churches would turn toward evolution or this "intelligent design." It makes you want to just shake your head in disgust. I really don't know what else to say.
I'm guessing many want to be "friends" and "loved" by everyone, rather than purveyors of Truth.
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I have to say it is disturbing. I too, cannot understand why the churches would turn toward evolution or this "intelligent design." It makes you want to just shake your head in disgust. I really don't know what else to say.
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This is truly pathetic. How could any "christian" church embrace evolution? You either believe that there was no death before the fall of man as ascribed in the Scriptures or you believe there's always been death, irrespective of what the Word of God says, and we are the result of billions times billions of mutations.
So, in effect, if the Scriptures are "wrong" about creation, then, their future point will be "Since the scriptures is wrong about creation, what else is wrong in Scripture? And what else can we change to fit our needs?"
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I didn't see this "sad" side as much of this Topic as the fact that the batttle lines are being drawn more sharply between Lucifer-Satan's people and the Lord God Jeshua-Jesus.
When reading the book of Esther recently, I got the distinct feeling that what happened to Mordecai and Haman will also happen to the Christians and we would go through a similar experience as "Haman against the Jews".
"You do not keep the laws of the king", they said, and by "king" the meant king Lucifer-Satan, they cry, "Oh christians, you are not keeping the laws of King Lucifer-Satan!"
In that regard, if Christians in the USA stopped going to King Lucifer's movies and stopped reading King Lucifer's books and stopped looking at King Lucifer's movies, then the Christians would stand out a lot more in King Lucifer's kingdom, and Christians would be attacked verbally as the cause of it all.
remember this Topic's title:
scientists want churches to back evolution
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Makes me cry to se supposed "christian churches" purposely spit in God's face. ![[crying]](graemlins/crying.gif)
Is therer any hope left for this nation ![[1zhelp]](graemlins/1zhelp.gif)
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Check this out:
Christian churches celebrate Darwin's birthday
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Sun, Feb. 12, 2006
Christian churches celebrate Darwin's birthday
By Lisa AndersonChicago TribuneNEW YORK -
Nearly 450 Christian churches around the country plan to celebrate the 197th birthday of Charles Darwin today with programs and sermons intended to emphasize that his theory of biological evolution is compatible with faith and that Christians have no need to choose between religion and science.
``It's to demonstrate, by Christian leaders and members of the clergy, that you don't have to make that choice. You can have both,'' said Michael Zimmerman, dean of the College of Letters and Sciences at the University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh, who organized the event.
Darwin's theory holds that all life on Earth, including humans, has a common ancestry and developed over millions of years through the mechanisms of natural selection and random mutation. The science is repugnant to many conservative Christians because it conflicts with their belief that humans were specially created by God in his own image.
``Evolution Sunday'' has drawn participation from a variety of denominational and non-denominational churches, including Methodist, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Unitarian, Congregationalist, United Church of Christ, Baptist and a host of community churches.
The event grew out of Zimmerman's Clergy Letter Project, another effort to dispel the growing perception among many Christians that faith and evolution are mutually exclusive. Since its inception in 2004, the project has drawn 10,000 Christian clergy members to sign a letter that concludes, ``We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.''
Zimmerman said the letter project, as well as today's event, were designed to educate Americans about two things. ``The first part was to demonstrate to the American public that the shrill fundamentalist voices that were demanding that people had to choose between religion and science were simply wrong. The second part was to demonstrate that those fundamentalist leaders that keep standing up and shouting that you can't accept modern science were not speaking for the majority of Christian leaders in this country,'' said Zimmerman, a former biology professor.
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I just read an article the other day where churches were celebrating Darwin's birthday.
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Churches urged to back evolution
By Paul Rincon
BBC News science reporter, St Louis
US scientists have called on mainstream religious communities to help them fight policies that undermine the teaching of evolution.
The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) hit out at the "intelligent design" movement at its annual meeting in Missouri.
Teaching the idea threatens scientific literacy among schoolchildren, it said.
Its proponents argue life on Earth is too complex to have evolved on its own.
As the name suggests, intelligent design is a concept invoking the hand of a designer in nature.
It's time to recognise that science and religion should never be pitted against each other
Gilbert Omenn
AAAS president
There have been several attempts across the US by anti-evolutionists to get intelligent design taught in school science lessons.
At the meeting in St Louis, the AAAS issued a statement strongly condemning the moves.
"Such veiled attempts to wedge religion - actually just one kind of religion - into science classrooms is a disservice to students, parents, teachers and taxpayers," said AAAS president Gilbert Omenn.
"It's time to recognise that science and religion should never be pitted against each other.
"They can and do co-exist in the context of most people's lives. Just not in science classrooms, lest we confuse our children."
'Who's kidding whom?'
Eugenie Scott, director of the National Center for Science Education, which campaigns to keep the teaching of evolution in public schools, said those in mainstream religious communities needed to "step up to the plate" in order to prevent the issue being viewed as a battle between science and religion.
Some have already heeded the warning.
"The intelligent design movement belittles religion. It makes God a designer - an engineer," said George Coyne, director of the Vatican Observatory.
"Intelligent design concentrates on a designer who they do not really identify - but who's kidding whom?"
Last year, a federal judge ruled in favour of 11 parents in Dover, Pennsylvania, who argued that Darwinian evolution must be taught as fact.
Dover school administrators had pushed for intelligent design to be inserted into science teaching. But the judge ruled this violated the constitution, which sets out a clear separation between religion and state.
Despite the ruling, more challenges are on the way.
Fourteen US states are considering bills that scientists say would restrict the teaching of evolution.
These include a legislative bill in Missouri which seeks to ensure that only science which can be proven by experiment is taught in schools.
I think if we look at where the empirical scientific evidence leads us, it leads us towards intelligent design
Teacher Mark Gihring
"The new strategy is to teach intelligent design without calling it intelligent design," biologist Kenneth Miller, of Brown University in Rhode Island, told the BBC News website.
Dr Miller, an expert witness in the Dover School case, added: "The advocates of intelligent design and creationism have tried to repackage their criticisms, saying they want to teach the evidence for evolution and the evidence against evolution."
However, Mark Gihring, a teacher from Missouri sympathetic to intelligent design, told the BBC: "I think if we look at where the empirical scientific evidence leads us, it leads us towards intelligent design.
"[Intelligent design] ultimately takes us back to why we're here and the value of life... if an individual doesn't have a reason for being, they might carry themselves in a way that is ultimately destructive for society."
Economic risk
The decentralised US education system ensures that intelligent design will remain an issue in the classroom regardless of the decision in the Dover case.
"I think as a legal strategy, intelligent design is dead. That does not mean intelligent design as a social movement is dead," said Ms Scott.
"This is an idea that has real legs and it's going to be around for a long time. It will, however, evolve."
Among the most high-profile champions of intelligent design is US President George W Bush, who has said schools should make students aware of the concept.
But Mr Omenn warned that teaching intelligent design would deprive students of a proper education, ultimately harming the US economy.
"At a time when fewer US students are heading into science, baby boomer scientists are retiring in growing numbers and international students are returning home to work, America can ill afford the time and tax-payer dollars debating the facts of evolution," he said.
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