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Sorry Catholics...
Don't apologize. People think the roman empire died. But it's alive and well in the Roman Catholic church. If people understood her abominations, the word protestant would still have meaning today. Make no mistake about that.
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Both are clearly saying that they are at the end. So, how can only the seventh vial be the end? Answer : It can't. Actually the same earthquake that happens when the two witnesses rise from the dead, is the same earthquake that happens in the seventh trumpet. The rapture of the two witnesses is the same one as ours
Revelation is my favorite book and I regard it with care...in the beginning we are given a blessing... Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. And in the end we have a cursing...Revelation 22: 18,19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Please be careful how you interpret this book, or the whole Bible for that matter, only God knows for sure the true meaning of His word, for He is the Word ![[clap2]](graemlins/clap2.gif) No man knows the Bible 100% for sure, God reveals what He wants us to know, someday when we get the Heaven then the answers will be revealed to our questions ![[hug]](graemlins/hug.gif) ![[thumbsup2]](graemlins/thumbsup2.gif) ![[hyper]](graemlins/hyper.gif)
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Interpreting and teaching the Word of God is not changing His Word, it is expounding on His Word. That, my friend, is taught throughout the scriptures as being VERY important. I have not removed from, nor added to, the book of Revelation. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
What this scripture in Revelation is referring to is those who would change it's (Revelation's) contents. So, most translations these days have done just that. And those who have could be in serious trouble, depending on what they did, whether they removed or added.
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I am always surprised that so few people understand the point of The Book of Revelations and, most specifically, the idea of the Beast. Just a brief summary: a Coptic Christian and Gnostic know as John of Patmos wrote this book. It only just scraped through the selection process to become part of the NT as it was written much later than the other books and was deemed impolitic by the Church of Rome. The narrative constitutes a kind of hindsight prophesy that alludes to the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD by the Romans - Revelations was actually written a couple of centuries later. Being Greek, John used Greek numerology to signify the Anti-Christ as 666 was the most inauspicious number in that system (888 was the most auspicious and was used to signify Christ). In Greek numerology, 666 could also be used to signify 'Nero and the Seven Emporers of Rome.' (This may seem weird now, but in ancient Greece this numerological system was common knowledge and commonly used - so much so that it has been found in graffiti of that time.)
So, basically, Revelations was a warning that they (the Romans) have destroyed the Temple (desecrated the faith) and they (the Romans) will do it again if we do not take care. Sorry Catholics...
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Both are clearly saying that they are at the end. So, how can only the seventh vial be the end? Answer : It can't. Actually the same earthquake that happens when the two witnesses rise from the dead, is the same earthquake that happens in the seventh trumpet. The rapture of the two witnesses is the same one as ours
Revelation is my favorite book and I regard it with care...in the beginning we are given a blessing... Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. And in the end we have a cursing...Revelation 22: 18,19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Please be careful how you interpret this book, or the whole Bible for that matter, only God knows for sure the true meaning of His word, for He is the Word No man knows the Bible 100% for sure, God reveals what He wants us to know, someday when we get the Heaven then the answers will be revealed to our questions
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Psalm 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem; they shall prosper that love thee.
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Revelation is indeed not in linear order. In fact, I don't even believe any give chapter is necessarily in linear order in terms of verses. I've seen much evidence to the fact that it might not be.
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Yes whitesands777, that's true. No matter what the outcome is, we should watch for our redemption as it draws nigh.
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In other posts I have commented that the chapters of the book of Revelation cannot be consecutive because already in Revelation Chapter 6, the following happens:
Revelation 6
12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
If the chapters of the book of Revelation unfolded consecutively, then the heavens would first have to be unrolled again and the stars would have to unfall on the earth and go back up into the sky, before Revelation Chapter 7 and the rest of the chapters of Revelation can happen.
The chapters of Revelation are therefore not consecutive (although some are consecutive) but concurrent, meaning groups of chapters describe the same events, but from different angles.
The Christian teacher Ellis Skolfield taught that the book of Revelation was written in the chiasmic style, which works like a stepladder.
One goes up the stepladder from Revelation 1 to and including Revelation 11, where the kingdoms of this world already have become the kingdoms of our Lord.
And then Revelation Chapter 12 through 22 goes down the backside of the stepladder again, and again describes the same events as on the front of the stepladder, but from a different angle.
See also my Topic "The Wild Language of Destruction in the book of Revelation" on this BBS.
God bless, ![[Cross]](graemlins/cross.gif) BORN AGAIN
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Trenton D. Adams writes quote:
Perhaps I should be posting these things on a different board?
Yes, you can put it on the Bible Topics, where it more properly belongs.
God bless, BORN AGAIN
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The pre trib and post trib debate used to bother me a bit but now all I know is that I need to study the prophecies and watch just as Jesus told us...Because the prophecies of His second coming could be fullfilled in stunning accuracy yet not in the ways that we have imagined it...So we must watch always and be ready for Him.
We are given some very detailed prophecies so we must keep watching and as the time for His coming gets closer if we are watching we will know that His coming is near.
Trent...you have some interesting points...It appears that the prophecies become more detailed as His coming gets closer.
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You obviously didn't read mine. Take a look at the seventh trumpet and the seventh vial.
One says "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."
The other says "It is done".
Both are clearly saying that they are at the end. So, how can only the seventh vial be the end? Answer : It can't. Actually the same earthquake that happens when the two witnesses rise from the dead, is the same earthquake that happens in the seventh trumpet. The rapture of the two witnesses is the same one as ours.
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Where the Rapture has no signs leading to it's occurring, the Second Coming of Christ does. It is known as the Seven Mystery Years or the Tribulation. The Tribulation is a seven year period that begins with the rise to power of the Antichrist. He will broker a seven year peace treaty / agreement /accord (Watch for this in the news - You'll SEE!) between Israel and the world. The signing of this peace treaty is the beginning of the Tribulation. The book of Revelation is dedicated to these years and describes in great detail the signs that will occur that lead up to Christ's return. These signs are in the form of judgments passed by God upon man. You will note that the judgments get progressively worse as time goes on.
In conjunction with the rise of the Antichrist Revelation 13:1 will be the arrival of the False Prophet Revelation 13:11 and of two witnesses Revelation 11.
These two witnesses will become arch-enemies of the Antichrist and will prophesy for 1260 days (the first half of the Tribulation). The two witnesses will be untouchable, no harm will come to them until the end of the given time. These two along with the 144,000 sealed witnesses of God Revelation 7:1-17 will bring countless masses to God during the Tribulation. During the first 1260 days of the witness's ministry they will be able to cause all rain to cease falling and have the power over water enabling them to turn it to blood.
The False Prophet on the other hand will complete the unholy trinity of evil (Satan, the Antichrist, and the Prophet....which to say is the antithesis of the Holy Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit or Word of God). The False Prophet will be the leader of the Antichrist's one world religion and will have been given the power to perform some signs to win over the people (he will call fire down from the Heavens..
The Seal Judgments - The seal judgments represents the judgments put forth by God during the first quarter (or 21 months) of the Tribulation.
The First Seal - A White Horse Revelation 6:1-2
The first horseman indicates a man of authority (the horse and the crown) who will conquer the world with diplomacy by offering peace 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 (symbolized by the bow with no arrows). This ruler is the AntiChrist 1 John 4:3 or the "man of sin" 2 Thessalonians 2:3.
The Second Seal - A Red Horse Revelation 6:3-4
As in all prior periods of peace concocted by man the promised peace of the Antichrist fails and the world erupts into war.
The Third Seal - A Black Horse Revelation 6:5-6
The black horse symbolizes world famine. A "penny" represents a days wage. The "oil and wine" symbolize the foods of the rich which will be unscathed. This shows that this famine will affect only the poor in the world.
The Fourth Seal - A Pale Horse Revelation 6:7-8
When the fourth seal is broken death will come to one fourth of the population of the earth due to the ravages of war, famine and an apparent rampage of wild animals against the people of the earth.
The Fifth Seal - The Martyrs Revelation 6:9-11
The Souls under the Alter symbolizes those who were martyred and beheaded for their faith at the beginning of the Tribulation. They will not recieve their resurrected bodies until Christ returns at the end of the Tribulation Revelation 20:4-5
The Sixth Seal - The Great Earthquake Revelation 6:12-17
The sixth seal represents the wrath of God pouring out on the world. It will prove to be the worst earthquake in the history of the Earth. At this point even the lost will now know these judgments are from the Christ they rejected.
The Seal of Israel Revelation 7:1-17
Between the opening of the sixth and seventh seals we see the divine protection of the earth by God while his angels seal 144,000 witnesses. God will select 12,000 Jews from each of the 12 tribes of Israel to be his special servants thought the remainder of the Tribulation. These witnesses who are spread throughout the world will spread the Gospel and convert more people to Christ than have been saved in the last 2000 years. Their persecution by the Antichrist will be great but they've received the gift of eternal life which can only be given by accepting Jesus as your savior.
I believe that those Christians living during this time and afterwards who commit to Jesus will also be sealed by God so they may recognize one another. It's a direct counter to the mark of those who receive the Antichrist and reject Jesus.
The Seventh Seal - The Trumpet Judgments Revelation 8:1-2
When the seventh seal is broken there will be a silence in heaven for a half and hour. Possibly this is similar to a moment of silence before temple worship. Otherwise the breaking of the seventh seal symbolizes the end of the seal judgments and ushers in the trumpet judgments.
The Trumpet Judgments - The seal judgments represents the judgments put forth by God during the second quarter (or 21 months) of the Tribulation.
The First Trumpet - Hail, Fire and Blood Revelation 8:7
Whether literal or symbolically speaking for some nuclear devestation, one third of the earth's vegetation will be burnt up by a rain of hail and fire mixed with blood.
The Second Trumpet - A Mountain of Fire Revelation 8:8-9
Again, whether literal or symbolic, "something" like a great mountain will be thrown into the sea and destroy one third of all sea life. Whether it is a meteor or asteroid or again some nuclear weapon based devastation the outcome is clear.
The Third Trumpet - A Star called Wormwood Revelation 8:10-11
Wormwood in Greek is apsinthos (a bitter, often poisonous, herb or drug). It may be the result of another meteor or asteroid strike that causes one third of the earth's fresh waters to become bitter (poisonous).
The Fourth Trumpet - Darkness Descends Revelation 8:12
Here we see that the earth will become one third more dark. A literal darkening of the sun, moon and stars. The cause...it may be something in the line of a nuclear winter. Or if the text is taken literally, God dims those sources of light which he put forth in the beginning Genesis 1:1 The effects of this are disastrous as it will affect growth of plants and therefore production of food.
The Fifth Trumpet - The Locusts of Apollyon Attack Revelation 9:1-11
Out of a pit will arise creatures like a combination of beasts. Their sting will drive those struck mad with pain to the point the person struck will wish to die, but will be unable to. Of note, these creatures are forbidden to strike those with the seal of God on their forehead. Again, this may be a literal event with actual creatures under the leadership of Apollyon (the "destroyer") or a figurative description for the tormenting of human inhabitants of earth by demons.
The Sixth Trumpet - The Four Angels Released Revelation 9:13-19
This judgment discusses the four angels bound at the Euphrates (most likely fallen angels or demons that God had bound to prevent from harming mankind) and upon releasing them how they unleash a 200 million strong army of demons that kill mankind with their "plagues". The creatures will kill with the power from their heads (fire, brimstone and smoke) or with a bite from their tail (which is of a serpant). Again, it seems that those who have received the seal of God will go unharmed by this judgment as they can only be killed by the Antichrist and his bad guys.
The Two Witnesses - Their Death and Resurrection Revelation 11:7-14
At the completion of their testimony the beast that ascends out of the pit will make war with them, overcome them and kill them. The beast (Antichrist and the people) will leave their bodies in the street for three and a half days. At the close of those three and a half days God will resurrect them and they will ascend to heaven in a cloud. At the same time a great earthquake will destroy a tenth of Jerusalem and kill 7000
The Seventh Trumpet - Loud Voices in Heaven Revelation 11:15-19
Upon the sounding of this judgment, the elders in heaven rejoice and worship God for they know the time of God's judgment of all things and His rectifying the world is only three and one half years away.
The Mid Tribulation Occurances - There are several things that occur during the mid time of the tribulation. After the death of the witnesses the Antichrist will be killed with a wound to the head, 3 days later he will rise again (this time though he will be indwelt by Satan). Another significant event would be the desecration of the Temple (This would imply that the temple first needs to be rebuilt being as much that the Dome of the Rock current stands in it's place). The Antichrist will blaspheme God and defile his Temple. Also the remnant of Israel (those Jewish believers remaining in Israel) will flee to the wilderness for 1260 days and be under the protection of God Revelation 12. The dragon (Satan) will send a flood after the woman, but the earth will swallow up the flood.
The Bowl (Vial) Judgments - The bowl judgments represents the pouring out of the wrath of God during the second half (or 42 months) of the Tribulation.
The First Bowl - Foul and Loathsome Sores Revelation 16:2
All who worship the image of the beast and took his mark will be infected by sores most likely similar to those received by the Egyptians in Exodus 9:8-12
The Second Bowl - The Sea turns to Blood Revelation 16:3
When this judgment is complete the seas will be completely polluted and kill all creatures in the sea.
The Third Bowl - The Rivers and Springs turn to Blood Revelation 16:4-7
Similar to the Second Bowl Judgment, the rivers and springs will turn to blood in response to the bloodlust by the Antichrist and his followers towards Christians.
The Fourth Bowl - The Sun Scorches Men Revelation 16:8-9
When this judgment is poured forth the heat and power of the sun will increase and cause men to be burned. Instead of repenting as is God's desire, they will curse Him instead.
The Fifth Bowl - Darkness on the Beast's Kingdom Revelation 16:10-11
When this judgment is poured forth darkness besets the kingdom of the Beast (maybe the capitol only) and much pain will be present.
The Sixth Bowl - The Euphrates Dries Up Revelation 16:12
When this judgment is executed the Euphrates River will dry up. The Euphrates was the western boundary of the Roman empire. At this point is clears the path for the Kings of the East (China etc) to march on Israel. Also, three demons are sent forth to convince the leaders of the lands to march on Israel. This sets the stage for what is known as the Battle of Armageddon. Ezekiel 39:17-22 / Revelation 16:13-26
The Seventh Bowl - The Greatest Earthquake in History Revelation 16:17-21
The final and most severe judgment is the Seventh Bowl Judgment. An earthquake so severe that it literally levels the planet, moving islands and flattening mountains. It is so severe that John describes it in detail in the next two chapters of Revelation. Revelation 17-18
The Second Coming
The Battle of Armageddon Revelation 19:11-21
Satan Bound and Cast into the Pit Revelation 20:1-3
The Millennial Kingdom Revelation 20:4-6
Satanic Rebellion and Final Judgment Revelation 20:7-15
New Heaven and Earth Revelation 21
Heaven on Earth Revelation 22
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Perhaps I should be posting these things on a different board?
Keep in mind that some of this is simply guesses. The basic part of this that seems to be obvious is the tying of the seven trumpets and vials together.
End Time Events
Below are some of the end time events that will occur. I try to explain some of them.
Seals, Trumpets and Vials
I heard that one should read the Seals, Trumpets and Vials together. I have done so, and the Trumpets and Vials match up with each other just perfectly. I don’t believe the Seals are loosed at the same time as the corresponding Trumpets and Vials because of Revelation 8:1-2. It indicates that the Trumpets start to get blown after the seals are loosed, not before. Revelation 7:1 also indicates that the Trumpets haven’t been blown yet due to the words “after these things”. It’s saying that “after these things” the angels go and seal the 144,000 Jews, then the last seal is loosed and then finally the Trumpets begin.
Some people are deceived into believing that we are going to get an early rapture out of here. Below you can see that this is simply not true. Revelation 6:9-11, 18:4 and I Corinthians 15:52 all show clearly that we can’t get out of here before we are persecuted like the believers of the past, or until the last trump. 18:4 indicates that we could be partakers of the ***** ’s plagues (vials) if we don’t come out of her. And seeing that these two items (Trumpets and Vials) all appear to happen in sequence together; 1st Trumpet and Vial; 2nd Trumpet and Vial; etc, we can’t possibly be getting an early rapture. We will be persecuted by the people of this earth, but we will be protected from the wrath of God that is poured out on the earth. In other words, we will be protected from the plagues and such, which will envelop this earth.
I’ve seen the odd scripture that might slightly indicate that we would get out before these things occur. I have also found other scriptures that refute these. Revelation does not appear to be in any particular order. It seems like there is some sort of overlay that occurs.
Seals
The seals are separate from the trumpets and vials as we will make clear at the end of this section.
1st Revelation 6:1-2 (KJV)
1And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 2And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
2nd Revelation 6:3-4 (KJV)
3And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
3rd Revelation 6:5-6 (KJV)
5And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. 6And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
4th Revelation 6:7-8 (KJV)
7And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. 8And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
5th Revelation 6:9-11 (KJV)
9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
6th Revelation 6:12-17 (KJV)
12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
This next scripture seems to indicate that the trumpets are given to the angels after the last seal is opened. The above scripture also states that “the great day of his wrath is come”. In other words, it’s just about to start which would seem like the Trumpets and Vials haven’t been blown or poured out respectively, at this point.
7th Revelation 8:1-2 (KJV)
1And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 2And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
Of course this paragraph is only speculation. I hate speculating, but some times it’s beneficial. This last scripture seems to me to indicate a period of peace on the earth, just before the wrath of God is poured out. Just when everyone thinks that all of their problems are over, the wrath of God hits. Not only would this indicate peace in terms of no wars, but peaceful in terms of natural disasters.
Trumpet and Vial Coupling
Below we show how the trumpets and vials are tied together. Not every trumpet and vial seems to match, but enough of them do to make the case that they are in fact tied together, and cannot be separated. In addition to the fact that some of them match up with each other, some other scriptures indicate this as well.
Temple Closed and Opened
The following scripture shows that the temple in heaven was filled with the smoke of Yahweh’s glory just before the vials are poured out. Notice how no one can enter during this time!
Revelation 15:8 (KJV)
8And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.
The following scripture shows that the temple of Yahweh is opened after the seventh trumpet is blown.
Revelation 11:19 (KJV)
8And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.
Is it not interesting that the temple was closed before and opened after the trumpets and vials were finished? This partly shows how the trumpets and vials are tied together.
1st Trumpet, and Vial
Revelation 8:7 (KJV)
7The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
Revelation 16:1-2 (KJV)
1And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. 2And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
2nd Trumpet, and Vial
Revelation 8:8-9 (KJV)
8And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
Revelation 16:3 (KJV)
3And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
You might ask yourself why the Vial says “every” living soul in the sea died, and the trumpet only says a third died. Well, we have to look up the definition for the word “every”. It can be any, every, all, the whole, etc. So, it appears that it was mistranslated, and could many “any”, or part of if you will. This might be a bit of a stretch, but it would appear that if it is a stretch, it’s been mistranslated completely. Don’t know for sure though. We have to use some common sense here since we don’t have John’s original revelation. And common sense really says that all of these trumpets and vials definitely match up with each other.
3rd Trumpet, and Vial
Before writing this document, I had believed that the Sun and the Moon would not give their light because of Asteroids that would fall from heaven that would create a dust cloud. I didn’t know why I believed this. I thought maybe I was just being a silly Sci-Fi Guy. The 3rd Trumpet is a star falling from heaven burning as it were a lamp. I believe it will cause a dust cloud that covers most of the earth. I believe this is what will cause the 4th Trumpet to smite the sun, moon, and stars. I also believe this is what causes the 4th Vial to scorch men. Could you imagine having a thick cloud of dust around the earth? I describe what will happen, in the part about the 4th Vial.
Revelation 8:10-11 (KJV)
10And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
Revelation 16:4-7 (KJV)
4And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. 5And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. 6For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. 7And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
4th Trumpet, and Vial
The thick cloud of dust would cause the sun, moon, and stars to stop shining.
Revelation 8:12-13 (KJV)
12And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. 13And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
The thick cloud of dust would cause a green house effect like we’ve never seen before.
Revelation 16:8-9 (KJV)
8And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. 9And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
5th Trumpet, and Vial
I’m beginning to wonder if these big tough locusts are that way because they’ve been living under the earth close to the core where it’s nice and warm. As we know, when creatures live close to nice warm places they tend to grow very large compared to normal. The scripture below indicates that a star falls from heaven and opens the bottomless pit. Could this possibly be an asteroid that punches a hole in the earth to give the locusts access to the surface of the earth?
Revelation 9:1-5 (KJV)
1And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. 2And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. 3And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. 5And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
Revelation 16:10-11 (KJV)
10And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, 11And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
6th Trumpet, and Vial
Revelation 9:13-16 (KJV)
13And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. 16And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Revelation 16:12-16 (KJV)
12And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. 13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. 16And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Notice how the 6th Vial is poured out in order to prepare for what the 6th Trumpet set loose. So in other words, the great river Euphrates was dried up so that the armies of the 6th Trumpet could pass by easily.
7th Trumpet, and Vial
Revelation 11:15 (KJV)
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Revelation 16:17-21 (KJV)
17And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. 20And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
Could this be when the Lord touches down on the Mount of Olives? I think so. After all, in order for the Mount of Olives to separate like Zechariah says, it would have to be a very great earthquake indeed.
I believe that the 7th Trumpet will sound just before the 7th Vial is poured out. I believe this because the scripture below says that the Lord will come with all of His saints. Since we can’t get out of here until the Last Trumpet call, it must happen before the 7th Vial.
Zechariah 14:4-5 (KJV)
4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
Azal = very near? Could this be an easy escape for the Messianic Jews? I’m not sure if we get out of here before, or at the same time as the Jews.
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