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Bat Elohim
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Originally posted by becauseHElives:
According to Favor Minded, Bat Elohim, and Texasgrandma there is no such thing as pagans.

wooooeee... wait a minute! this is the first time I've read through this thread. I KNOW I've never said that! and I know that FM and TG haven't said that either!

I do believe there are pagans. I delved in witch craft for a while. I was raised athiest but my dad encouraged me to learn about different "religions".

I find that very offensive BHL. What have I done to offend you?????

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The All New Warm and Fuzzy Feel-Good Church of the Non-Judgmental

By Drew (in response to a true abomination)

It might be quite “affirming” to offer a church for kleptomaniacs, instead of being light, they would be light fingered Louies. Might prove interesting when it comes time to “take-up” the collection.

It might be quite “affirming” to offer a church for alcoholics to drink and feel good about themselves, and then they could be the drunkard dunkards. It would offer the Pentecostals a run for their money in being “slain-in-the-spirit”.

It would be quite “affirming” to have the NAMBLA segment of the homosexual community be placed in positions of youth ministry. Whoops I think the RCC kind of has a handle on that one.

It would be quite “affirming” to place all of the liars in charge of the Bible study, that way the scriptures could be taught to scratch the itching ears. Whoops most of the liberals already have quite a handle on that one, with the removal and denial of so much of the truth of the Word.

It would be so “affirming” to offer a sports church, and instead of the old dry uncomfortable sermon, there could be a big screen TV in place of the pulpit, with ESPN, as the focus of worship. Cheerleaders could make a beer run.

It would be quite “affirming” for those who are ever learning and never able to decide, to offer a banquet of theology, with a table of crystals in the hall, yoga in the Sunday school room, whoops don’t forget to rub the Buddha Belly before entering the sanctuary, where today’s worship music will be provided by our new gothic rock youth band, while the latest teachings of Wicca will be presented for your enjoyment.

It is truly enlightening and absolutely “affirming” to bring the church out of the dark ages and all that out-dated Blood emphasis. It is absolutely ghastly for the self-esteem, to mention the mythos of sin-dogma. We have to discard the concept of repentance, for it makes humanity so uncomfortable to be told to go against their natural inclinations. The church must become modern for all enlightened accepted Bible scholars know that the mythical Jesus was the personification of the superior pathway to the Ultimate Unity for everyman.

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Romans 1:
18: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19: Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20: For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22: Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23: And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24: Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

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16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..

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Local Episcopal Priests Apologize For Being Druids
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Well, I guess we will see what happens next. It will be interesting. If they get discharged, they will most certainly continue the cult. If they are allowed to continue in the Episcopal church, they might turn back to Drudism in the future. Hmm... [Prayer]

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Once again the church makes headlines on something negative. This story made the mainstream press now:


Pagan rituals on Web site rile Episcopalians

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One, an "erotic ritual" for the spring festival of Beltane, used Christian phrases for the rite, including an opening "litany" and an "invocation" of the "Earth Mother." The ceremony, which culminates with the lead couple engaging in sex in front of the other participants, ends with a "chant of Communion and Praise" to the tune of the Irish hymn "St. Patrick's Breastplate." The Babylonian god "Bel" honored in the rite has been linked to the Canaanite god Baal, whose worship was condemned in the Old Testament.

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I admit your approach to things does make one chuckle here and there [Smile]
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Hello Favor Minded, I am very aware of my logs as you call them and am seeking the Lords help in the continuing removal of them.

But their are areas of my life where I have removed those beams/logs and it is in those areas that I am allowed to minister by His Grace.

Thank you for your comments, they made me smile, almost laugh out loud and roll on the floor. [roll on floor]

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BHL Writes -
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According to Favor Minded, Bat Elohim, and Texasgrandma there is no such thing as pagans.

I would recommend BHL, that you spend time in prayer and repentance in order to show yourself approved unto the Lord, rather than trying to take his place in judgement.

I would be careful with your comments here -

You may not think you have logs, but you do and you need to be far more concerned about them than you do anyone elses....Or is that a part of the Word you choose to ignore?

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Do you really feel that was called for? [Confused] or that HIS work will come from it?
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According to Favor Minded, Bat Elohim, and Texasgrandma there is no such thing as pagans.

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Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )

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Here is more to the pagan worship story. I am going to copy the whole article this time so they don't have a chance to erase the link like last time. LINK AT BOTTOM.

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PENNSYLVANIA PARISH PRIESTS PRACTICE PAGAN EUCHARISTIC CEREMONY

By David W. Virtue

MALVERN, PA (10/28/2004)--A husband and wife clergy couple in the Diocese of Pennsylvania practice pagan Wiccan worship with the woman priest using a rite called "A Women’s Eucharist" - A Celebration of the Divine Feminine, that can be found on the Episcopal Church's official website.

The wiccan-worshipping woman priest is Glyn Lorraine Ruppe Melnyk rector at St. Francis Episcopal Church on Sugartown Road who goes by the Wiccan name "Raven," and her husband Bill Melnyk, rector of St. James in Downingtown, PA goes by the Wiccan names "Bran" and "OakWyse". A source told Virtuosity that he does not wear a cross but a shell around his neck.


The pagan eucharistic rite reads in part: "The chalice of sweet red wine is raised and a woman says, "Blessed are you, Mother God, for you have given us the fruit of the earth. Red as blood, warm as life itself, sweet and intoxicating as love. We thank you for wine. We bless you for the power of this drink to remind us of our own power. We praise you for the strength and beauty of our bodies, and for the menstrual blood of womanhood. We embrace the mystery of life which you have entrusted to us, and we pray for the day when human blood is no longer shed and when woman’s blood is honored as holy and in your image."

The cup is passed hand to hand and all drink from it. Placing both hands on the fabric covering the table, one of the women says,

"Blessed are you, Mother God, for the fertility of this world. We thank you for the sight and scent of flowers, for the way their shape evokes in us the unfolding of our own sexuality, and for their power to remind us of the glory and the impermanence of physical beauty. May our days of blossoming and of fading be days spent in your presence."

"Thank you, Mother, for the abundance of life. Thank you for the rich, full, pleasing, and life giving milk of our bodies. Thank you for the children who drink from our breasts for they bring sweetness to our lives. We drink this cup as your daughters, fed from your own bosom. May we be proud of our nurturing and sustaining selves. May we honor our breasts as symbols of your abundance. Thank you for the milk and honey of your presence with us."

The cup is passed and shared by all.

The parish itself is barely five miles from the evangelical/charismatic Church of the Good Samaritan, in Paoli, the largest parish in the diocese, and from which some of the members broke away several years ago to form this revisionist parish. The church is sustained by a few well-heeled members from the hunt run horse set. The church does not use the Prayer Book, a source told Virtuosity.

Pennsylvania Bishop Charles E. Bennison said on hearing the news that he will not engage in a "witch hunt", meaning he is reluctant to declare that Pagan Wicca Druid ceremonies mean that those practicing these witchcraft-like ceremonies have abandoned the Communion of the Church. Yet, it is the same Charles Bennison who proclaimed that Father David Moyer had abandoned the Communion of the Church by being faithful to the Gospel of Jesus Christ."

Two summers ago the two "pagan" rectors lead an inter-faith pilgrimage to Stonehenge in England and conducted a service that included wiccans.

Recently however the Rev. Glyn Melnyk started using the pagan eucharist the language of which is lifted almost completely (without attribution) from a rite from Tuatha de Brighid, "a Clan of modern Druids … who believe in the interconnectedness of all faiths."

On hearing the news an orthodox priest said, "This is worse than the sin of sodomy, it is taking the Episcopal Church to a new level, that of paganism."

The Rev. Greg Brewer, rector of Church of the Good Samaritan in Paoli said, "My concern is for the parishioners at St. Francis, some of whom I know. They would be shocked and horrified to know that their rector was engaged in Druid and Wiccan practices."

The Office of Women's Ministries at the national church headquarters in New York City had the pagan liturgy posted at the church's official website, but it was later deep-sixed from the "Women's Eucharist" when a hue and cry went up from thousands of Episcopalians on the Internet.

However the liturgy is cached by Google at: www.dfms.org/41685_52038_ENGHTM.htm+A+Women%27s+Eucharist:+A+Celebration+of+the+Divine+Feminine&hl=en" target="_blank">http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:ynkovfgleRsJ:www.dfms.org/41685_52038_ENGHTM.htm+A+Women%27s+Eucharist:+A+Celebration+of+the+Divine+Feminine&hl=en

The story was first blogged at Christianity Today's website with a headline that screamed "Episcopal Church Officially Promotes Idol Worship," written by Ted Olsen. The story rocked around the world causing the Rev. Margaret Rose, Director of the office of Women's Ministries at the national church in New York to immediately withdraw the page on the skimpy grounds that the material was copyright protected. But another priest responded saying, "it cannot be a copyright issue.

The author of the liturgy in question is the one who posted it on the ECUSA website." At the very end of the "Women's Eucharist" page had the name and address of Glyn Lorraine Ruppe Melnyk, rector of St. Francis in the Fields Episcopal Church in Malvern, Pennsylvania. One might have expected the notation at the end to indicate that she submitted it to the site as well.

But the office's credibility is seriously undermined by its claim that it didn't promote the liturgy for actual use. A line from an earlier press release reads: "The Office of Women's Ministries is working towards creating a resource to be used by women, men, parishes, dioceses, small groups, within the context of a Sunday morning service, or any other appropriate setting where the honoring of a woman's life passages and experiences beckons a liturgical response. … Although traditional liturgy acknowledges little of these aspects of women's lives, many women have taken up the task of creating and writing such liturgies for themselves or others. The Women's Liturgy Project has begun collecting worship resources written by women for women in order to create a resource that is accessible to all."

This was followed by a link to the page with the "Women's Eucharist" listed as the second of nine resources. The "Women's Worship Resources" (not "Dialogue Resources") page of the Office of Women's Ministries has toned down its description of the rites, but still urges readers to "use them for … gathering communities of worship."

Rose said the liturgies listed at the website were intended to spark dialogue, study, conversation and ponderings around women and our liturgical tradition.

"The current liturgy project – A Call for Resources: The Women's Liturgy Project – and the Women's Worship Resources section on our website is a grassroots, organic, interactive process is an offering to open the awareness of the many voices and needs that exist among people in the church as we all strive to find expressions of our life, love and faith in God."

Outraged, the Rev. Canon David H. Roseberry, rector of Christ Church, Plano, the most attended parish in the Episcopal Church was shocked and horrified, wrote to both Rose and the church's Presiding Bishop.

In his letter to Griswold he said: "I am alerting you to the unfortunate fact that the web site of the Episcopal Church has been promoting a liturgy and a worship that is patently non-Christian. This afternoon, there was a liturgy celebrating the Divine Feminine posted on the web site of the Episcopal Church. It was outrageous and pagan. I understand that it has been removed as of about 4:30 today. With all due respect, I ask that you clarify the role that the Episcopal Church Office has in promoting non-Christian and pagan practices. I have been in touch with The Rev. Margaret Rose, the director of the Office of Women's Ministries, and she was sorry that the web page had been posted without attribution. (She said it was lifted from a Druid web site.)"

In a phone conversation with the director, Roseberry said she did not know that it was "lifted" from a pagan/Druid clan nor did she did mean to convey that the Eucharist was an official instrument or liturgy of the Episcopal Church.

Roseberry said Rose was somewhat apologetic, but said the "liturgy" was posted to inspire and promote dialogue. She said that the role of the Office of Women¹s Ministry was to look for ways of spreading the love of Jesus. She said, "It is my personal theology that the clarity of who we are as Episcopalians is often enhanced by our engagement with things that are "Other" and this is clearly "Other".

Roseberry blasted her saying that the liturgy was non-Christian, non-biblical and did not represent her hopes for spreading the love of Jesus. "I told her it was right out of The Da Vinci Code. (She hadn't read the book.) I told her that anything that promotes the earth as Mother is Pagan and non-Christian and non-biblical. She also mentioned that the Windsor report encouraged this kind of dialogue and conversation, recognizing that we live in a pluralistic society."

Roseberry asked her if she was authorized to open up a dialogue with a pagan religion as a function of the ecumenical office of the Episcopal Church. She said that there were many staff people (herself among them) that represent the Episcopal Church in all kinds of dialogues with the National Council of Churches.

"I asked her if her office would disavow the liturgy and disassociate themselves from it. She felt that the liturgy itself was a helpful tool in helping us to understand people of other faiths. She might, she said, put up a Muslim liturgy to engender the kind of debate and discussion that we are having about the Druid liturgy."

That "other faiths" comment is important, because a key question—if not the key question—is how the Episcopal Church leadership (Rose included) views this liturgy and the church's relationship to it. Is it of a different faith? By promoting it, has the Episcopal Church itself become a non-Christian faith? Rose doesn't seem clear about whether this liturgy is ecumenical (of the church) or of "another faith." Perhaps she's confused because the ceremony directly references the Old Testament. But is offering sacrifices to ancient Canaanite idols antithetical to Christianity or not?

Scripture seems awfully clear on this point. "What pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God," Paul told the church at Corinth. "I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons. Shall we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than he?"

Wrote another priest, "Imagine for one moment that you're a leader in the Episcopal Church USA. You know that within the next few days, a global commission is going to release a report on how the global Anglican Communion should respond to your church, and is likely to be critical of the ordination of an actively homosexual man as bishop. You know, and have said yourself, that the debate isn't just about sexuality: It's about how one views the Bible. And you know that all eyes will be on your denomination over the next few weeks. What do you do? Well, what the real leaders of the Episcopal Church did was to take an action that makes ordaining a homosexual man as a bishop almost a non-issue. They started promoting the worship of pagan deities!"

"Many scholars believe they were offerings to the goddess Asherah, the female counterpart to Baal, but in this context it may be more directly tied to Ishtar/Ashtoreth/Astarte, the 'Queen of Heaven'."

"Our ancient sisters called you Queen of Heaven," says the Episcopal liturgy. That's a reference to Jeremiah. And not a happy one. In Jeremiah 7, God complains, "The children gather wood, the fathers kindle fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven. And they pour out drink offerings to other gods, to provoke me to anger." The liturgy's reference to defiant women worshipping the Queen of Heaven with cakes comes directly from Jeremiah 44."

Wrote Ted Olsen, "and now Episcopal Church leaders want you to do the same. Defy God. Worship pagan deities. There is no other possible reading of this "Eucharistic" text."

The website also offered nine offerings, the second of which is the "Women's Eucharist." Another troubling entry is the Liturgy for Divorce, which includes a rite of divorce.

"This is not a joke, nor an overstatement. In all truth and seriousness, leaders of the Episcopal Church USA are promoting pagan rites to pagan deities. And not just any new pagan deities: The Episcopal Church USA, though its Office of Women's Ministries, is actually promoting the worship of idols specifically condemned in Scripture," wrote Olsen.

Both Episcopal priests belong to The Order of Bards, Ovates, and Druids.

The Rev. Bill Melnyk, a Druid priest who is also an Episcopal priest, serving in the Diocese of Pennsylvania included information at his website called "A Little Information Written by the Male Druid/Episcopal priest."

The Episcopal priest who goes by the name OakWyse when he's a "Druid" or "Wiccan" priest, was so concerned that news about his activities had leaked out that he sent a frantic message appeared on the Druidry.org message board saying; "My Dear Friends—Raven, Glyn Lorraine Ruppe Melnyk, the Episcopal rector and author of the "Women's Eucharist" and I have come under vicious attack from Anglican fundamentalists re our connection to druidry. Hour by hour the attacks are spreading on fundamentalist BLOGs across the country. For our protection, we must end all internet connection as soon as possible. I ask Kernos to leave this one notice up for a day or two, but then to do a universal delete of all references to Druis. Please delete my membership. I cannot stress how serious this is. If you respond, please do not use my name in your response. I will not be posting again." It is signed Druis.

Virtuosity also learned that Melnyk had been funding pagan Druid projects out of his Discretionary account which might be illegal.

On a posting to a Druid website posted on Mon Aug 23, 2004 Melnyk wrote regarding White Spring, Glastonbury. "Plans are nearing completion for the purchase of the White Spring properties on the side of Glastonbury Tor, across Wellhouse Lane from the Chalice Well Gardens. Please go to http://www.avalonwhitespring.org/ for the initial information. I am now soliciting funds to aid in the purchase and development of the White Spring. A Trust will be available soon. Until then, donations can be sent to me and made payable to "Saint James Church" earmarked for "Rector's Discretionary Fund-White Spring". These donations are tax deductible. We are also looking for folks who would be willing to make larger, interest free loans to aid in the purchase. We are not home yet, but we are now very close to making this a reality!"

Peace, Druis

Late last night the link was taken off the worldwide web clearly working hard to erase his tracks.

This is the organization that trained them according to his own words and it can be found here: http://druidry.org/ The OBOD Message Board Lughnasadh 2004 Eisteddfod Winners. The Druid Craft Tarot by Philip & Stephanie Carr-Gomm and Will Worthington.

The following is a piece of another pagan ceremony written by Mr. Melnyk, AKA (OakWyse) for the Celtic fertility festival of Beltaine.

"Participants draw a warm bath prepared with Lavender bath salts, or scented with a sachet filled with Vervain,, Mint, Basil, Thyme, Fennel, Lavender, Rosemary, Hyssop, and Valerian. The bath should be decorated with white candles, and a musky incense used. Wash each other in the bath, taking time to become relaxed and centered. Then dry each other with soft towels and anoint each other with Lavender or Musk oil on the souls of the feet, behind the knees, just above the pubic area (be careful with essential oils here!), on the breasts, under the chin, and on the forehead. Dress in plain or ceremonial robes, or simple peasant garb that is easily removed. Each take a burning white taper from the bath for the procession to the Nemeton. (If there are more people than will fit in the bath, take turns stepping in and being washed ceremonially.)

"As our ancestors once did, so we do today, and so our children will do in the future. We are here to pay homage to the divine as manifest in Boinn, Lady of Fertility, and to Bel, Lord of the Sun; to the Gods, to the Ancestors, and to the Earth Spirits; to the rising light of the year. Now is the time of fertility, when the flowering plants put forth their blossoms, and Mother Earth is fertile once again. Life is now awake, and the bees and butterflies travel from flower to flower. In the meadow come together the sire and the dam. This is the Feast of Beltaine, the Fires of Bell. As the Sun now burns brightly bringing warmth to Mother Earth, so warmth stirs in the loins, and the fires of joining burn again in the sexes. In the embrace of lovers new life is created. So let us join together as one to make our offerings in joy and reverence.

Boinn, Cow-Mother and Goddess of the Moon, River of Life, grant us this boon: That power of joining may flow in us soon!

AND THEN THIS: River Goddess, naked be!
He removes her clothing, and caresses her body.
They take some of the small wildflowers strewn about, and weave them into each other’s hair, on the head and in the pubic area.
And they eventually end up doing it: The couple join in love-making on the mattress, taking whatever time is needed.

(If there are more than one couple, appropriate actions agreed upon as a group beforehand now take place.)

The Very Rev. G. Richard Lobs III, Dean of The Cathedral Church of Saint Luke in Orland told Virtuosity, "This is an immensely important story. The primary significance is not that there are two heretical priests, deep into the occult, in the Diocese of Pennsylvania. That is important but secondary. The significance lies in the fact that a culture has been created by the top leadership, within the National Episcopal Church, where the writing of pagan priests is welcome at the Women's Desk for "exploration." It is important to note that this place was not arrived at overnight. Where we are at present is the result of thirty-five years of downward sliding. There really is a slippery slope. This is not simply about two priests. It is about a once great denomination where it is permissible to offend the Almighty and in the most provocative ways to date."

Peter Akinola, chairman of the Council of Anglican Provinces of Africa, has been saying that the Episcopal Church USA is "embroiled in a new religion which we cannot associate ourselves with."

Responding to the charges Pennsylvania Bishop Charles E. Bennison said, "the accusations against two local priests that they are practicing druids and in violation of their ordination vows are extremely serious and merit further inquiries to establish the Facts. At the same time, it’s imperative to ensure that the Revs. Glyn Ruppe-Melnyk and William Melnyk are treated fairly and not victims of a “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” mentality, he said. “I am extremely concerned by the charges made against the Melnyks, yet I am also concerned about the reputations and pastoral needs of two priests who have contributed very positively to their parishes and this diocese for four years,” Bennison said. “I will not allow this situation to turn into a witch-hunt of any sort.” Bennison indicated that he is looking forward to communication with the lay leaders of St.- Francis-in-the-Fields, Sugartown, where Rev. Ruppe-Melnyk is rector and St. James’, Downingtown, where her husband serves. The Bishop said he thought it crucial during this process to hear the voices of those now served by the Melnyks.

“The liturgy at the center of this unfortunate controversy was written years ago for study purposes for a small support group of women in a diocese where the priests previously served. Yet to be determined is the extent to which it represents the priests’ present views,” Bennison said. “The Melnyks assure me that it has never been used in liturgy or in their prayer life.”

The Melnyks did not return phone calls or E-mail requests from Virtuosity for an explanation as to why a neo-pagan Rite, which has never been authorized by a General Convention, is being used in their Episcopal parishes.

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I found the response to the pagan worship. Hmm, very intersting...Scroll down til you find the response.

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You know, I was thinking about this apostacy going on and what it means. Now obviously the Bible teaches about this and how it is going to become more rampant in the end times. And it makes me think just how close to the rapture we really are! Because, there comes a point (maybe now) where more people are falling away than are being saved. And although there are parts of the world where many are being saved, here in America people are falling away left and right. I think we are approaching midnight very fast. Keep praying for those that are lost, and pray for those that are left behind to see the Truth when we are gone.

God bless and stay strong in the Lord! [Prayer]

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All I can think of at this time is that judgment will begin with the house of God! It is not going to begin from the outer but from within!

(1Pe 4:17) For the time has come for the judgment to begin from the house of God. And if it first begins from us, what will be the end of those disobeying the gospel of God?

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Our Eschatology may vary even our Ecclesiology may be disputed among us but our Soteriology most assume a singularity and exclusivity which in biblical term is known as Quote; "The Narrow Way" and Quote!

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Hey you guys.....There has been a major falling away....

Back when I was a kid I could go to church and I heard the word of God...I wasn't a Christian then but we got good teaching right out of the Bible...

Me and my wife (then fiance) went looking for a church and it was hard to find one that really got into God's word...

We went to different baptist and Bible churches and it was like a self help seminar..They said a prayer, read a couple of lines out of the Bible and talked mostly about the community...Maybe we caught these churches on an off day but I'm not so sure...I also noticed in some of these churches that many women (not all) were almost dressing as if they were going to night clubs..

I went seeking a true Bible believing church and I wrote a letter to an online ministry and they pointed me in the right direction...Big difference!

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You know what is hard for me about that one is that if we speak of this kind of thing in what is supposed to be the church.....

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We have come together in the presence of God to witness and bless the separation of this man and this woman who have been bonded in the covenant of marriage. The courts have acknowledged their divorce and we, this day, gather to support them
If we think that we can make something we know to be COVENANT, and then we think that we can then we think we can come together and AGREE to break it.... then what does that say about our relationship with God and his with us?

Would you... could you possibly trust your life to someone who is a covenant breaker?  -

I mean, to me that is like saying God is a covenant breaker???????????

Hello:  - Is GOD not in COvenant marriage? Does God bow to what the government acknowledges???????????

I tell you, I am divorced. I did not know what covenant was when I married and I did not have a covenant marriage, but I still know my choice to divorce was a sin. I believe it is a forgiven sin and that today God has allowed me a covenant marriage. I know some will disagree, but I guess that is between me and GOD,

But this! This is blasphemy! This makes me angry!  - These people are saying they know they have eantered a covenant marriage and they are breaking it.

Again I ask.... Is GOD not in COvenant marriage? Does God bow to what the government acknowledges???????????

I do not know what god these people are worshiping or serving... Though we probably could get a clue from the Queen of Heaven thing!  -

But I know that it is not MY GOD. It is not THE ONE and TRUE GOD. It is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.  -

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The Gathering of the People
Dearly beloved: We have come together in the presence of God to witness and bless the separation of this man and this woman who have been bonded in the covenant of marriage. The courts have acknowledged their divorce and we, this day, gather to support them as they give their blessing to one another as each seeks a new life.


PLEASE PLEASE tell me that this is not true... Shall I pinch myself to see if I am not dreaming... Please tell me that this is April fools [crying]

Would Jesus not say " blind leaders of the blind?"

Jesus also said ( Mat24:37 ) But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Even so come Lord Jesus
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Wow, here's another interesting tid bit from the Episcopal church:

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Liturgy for Divorce


The Gathering of the People
Dearly beloved: We have come together in the presence of God to witness and bless the separation of this man and this woman who have been bonded in the covenant of marriage. The courts have acknowledged their divorce and we, this day, gather to support them as they give their blessing to one another as each seeks a new life.

In creation, God made the cycle of life to be birth, life, and death; and God has given us the hope of new life through the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, our Savior. The Church recognizes that relationships follow this pattern. While the couple have promised in good faith to love until parted by death, in some marriages the love between a wife and a husband comes to an end sooner. Love dies, and when that happens we recognize that the bonds of marriage, based on love, also may be ended.

God calls us to right relationships based on love, compassion, mutuality, and justice. Whenever any of these elements is absent from a marital relationship, then that partnership no longer reflects the intentionality of God.

The Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is that we are forgiven our sins and our failures, we are raised from the dead and restored to a new life. The death of love, like the death of the grave, has no power to rob us of the life that is intended for the people of God.

Thus we gather this day to support and bless N. and N. as they confess their brokenness, forgive each other for their transgressions, receive God’s blessing, celebrate the new growth that has occurred in each of them, and make commitments for a new life. MORE--->


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Heh, this ones kind of cool. [Roll Eyes]
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A Call for Resources: The Women's Liturgy Project - Markers of Our Lives
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The Office of Women's Ministries is working towards creating a resource to be used by women, men, parishes, dioceses, small groups, within the context of a Sunday morning service, or any other appropriate setting where the honoring of a woman's life passages and experiences beckons a liturgical response. These can include, but are not limited to, liturgies/rites pertaining to: menstruation, menopause, conception, pregnancy, any form of pregnancy loss, childbirth, forms of leave taking, and many others. Although traditional liturgy acknowledges little of these aspects of women's lives, many women have taken up the task of creating and writing such liturgies for themselves or others.
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H4HS,

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I think there is come a falling away, No?

Um, just a bit. [Big Grin]

It's really amazing to me the articles just in the last week. People are absolutley losing their minds! How can someone wake up one day and say, "You know, Jesus just isn't good enough for me. I think I'll worship a pagan god instead. Now, where can I buy some candles and incense?" Unbelievable... [Bible] [Prayer] [Cross]

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2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

I think there is come a falling away, No?

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yahsway wrote:
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I live in a small one horse town and the Episcopal church here do something called the Labirynth prayer and have got the Methodist church next door to it doing it to.

I looked it up on the net, seems its also embedded with paganism.

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Do you think that verse about Come out of her my people has anything to do with coming out of these forms of paganism in some of these denominations?
I don't think so but I don't have that verse handy. I know there are plenty of warnings on false teachings though. I have seen the apostacy ever since I was saved 6 months ago and I can definately see it increasing. I sense it growing VERY rapidly, and of course the news reports are telling as well. I shudder to think what it will be like in a few years if the Church is still here. I pray for a soon evacuation. I am getting a little sick of this place to be honest with you. God will NOT be mocked, but people are sure trying...

I will pray for you my friend. God bless. [Prayer]

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Hello Ripp, This doesnt suprize me. I live in a small one horse town and the Episcopal church here do something called the Labirynth prayer and have got the Methodist church next door to it doing it to.

I looked it up on the net, seems its also embedded with paganism. These are sad and scarey times. A true turning from the faith once delivered to all saints.

I just keep my eyes on Him, I know there is nothing new under the sun, but I have learned a lot about this pagaism stuff in the last 2 years and its really starting to surface in some of the main line denominations.

Do you think that verse about Come out of her my people has anything to do with coming out of these forms of paganism in some of these denominations?

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Well, more frightening stuff for you guys to ponder this morning. The Episcopal Church is sponsoring some scary events including more pagan worship inside a gay cathedral. God help us... MARANATHA! [Prayer]

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According to this website link at http://titusonenine.classicalanglic...1#comment-35651 The Episcopal Church USA, "ECUSA has a gay cathedral in downtown Houston. They have a women’s ministry called “Brigid’s Place” that offers seminars which includes a class on invoking a god called “dionysus.” Below is the link:

The name of the class is "Invoking Dionysus: Where Has All Out Passion Gone?" at http://www.brigidsplace.org/Invoking-Dionysus.asp The course description says, "C.G. Jung thought that Dionysus was the "shadow" of Christ, the god who has been eclipsed and then repressed with the advent of Christianity. But a god is not so easily slain, and though we may not recognize his presence amongst us, we feel his powerful effect. This course will invoke the "mad god" Dionysus as he is portrayed in the play by Euripides, The Bacchae, and seek to find those ways in which he is still, as the ancients called him, "Lord of Souls."

(Dionysus was a pagan god of the Greeks. According to this article at http://www.pantheon.org/articles/d/dionysus.html "Dionysus also commonly known by his Roman name Bacchus, appears to be a god who has two distinct origins. On the one hand, Dionysus was the god of wine, agriculture, and fertility of nature, who is also the patron god of the Greek stage. On the other hand, Dionysus also represents the outstanding features of mystery religions, such as those practiced at Eleusis: ecstasy, personal delivery from the daily world through physical or spiritual intoxication, and initiation into secret rites.")

Brigid's Place also offers another seminar called "HOLY LONGING: QUEST FOR THE DIVINE BELOVED" which does not sound like Jesus Christ our Lord. The website link is at http://www.brigidsplace.org/events/Beloved-Retreat.asp Below is a description of that course.

“There is some kiss we want with our whole lives.” —RUMI
"The “kiss” we want is a joyous and loving relationship with our world and our true self. We long to be at home wherever we go, to be in love with the moment, to enjoy fearless and passionate relationships with the people we meet and the things we do."

"Our guide to the fulfillment of this longing is the Beloved. The Beloved is the felt inner presence that waits to escort us to our highest self and, ultimately, to all that we hold most sacred."

"As the beguiling lover who appears in myths worldwide… the Source addressed in the language of yearning and passion by mystics in all the world’s great religions… the soul companion honored in ancient Greece… and a symbol of the integrated self, the Beloved is a timeless image that holds new meaning for modern men and women longing to live with passion, joy, and authenticity."

"During our workshop you’ll meet your Beloved and begin to develop a personal relationship with him or her… discover ways that real-life people you’ve loved have led you closer to the divine Beloved… and take a radical look at how you can bring your passion more fully into the world."

(So what we have here is an Episcopal Church ministry offering courses and teaching about pagan gods when they should be teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. It's more apostasy in these latter days and all a part of the falling away from the faith in Jesus Christ.)


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