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Seriously, my heart too Linda..
That many years must be a hundred "Davids" in the crowd that would want to fight the 'giant'..
One day dear sister, one day, that will all change..amen
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Yes and its great that Kindgo can get such beautiful arial pics.. ![[Smile]](smile.gif) ![[WOW]](graemlins/wow.gif)
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Kindgo thank you for posting this information particulary the information on the letter to Sharon. It is a comfort to know that there are some who can still see God's hand in the day to day events of this life.
Let us pray yes that God's will and work will be done, and many will begin to recognize the hand of God in these events that surround us and stop kicking against the goad as it were.
Your Kingdom Come Lord Jesus!
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Keep an eye out for that "stormy wind" spoken by the prohpet..
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Hey HFHS,
I can't wait for it to collapse and take that ugly mosqe with it. Wouldn't suprise me too much if they found tons of weapons under the rubble.
Hi all,
Here's a letter on topic sent out by the Temple Mount faithful movement
www.templemountfaithful.org
The Bulge on the Southern Wall of the Temple Mount Becomes Larger
Archaeologists Say that the Southern Wall Will Soon Collapse Together with the Mosque
The Temple Mount Faithful to Sharon:
Let it collapse! This is the Hand of G–d!
On 27th August 2002, the archaeologists of the Israeli Antiquities Authority warned that the southern wall of the Temple Mount is in great imminent danger of collapsing. They stated that the bulge in the wall, which was first noticed after Tisha b’Av last year immediately after the Temple Mount Faithful had carried the cornerstone for the Third Temple to the area in front of the southern wall of the Temple Mount, has become much larger. Last year the bulge was 70 cm and was 30 metres long. The bulge has now increased to over 1 metre and is much longer.
The archaeologists also stated that if the wall collapses, the Al Aqsa mosque will collapse together with it as well the other two illegal mosques that have been built over the past years when they changed the Hulda entrance to the Temple Mount and the so-called Solomon’s Stables and made them into the mosque in the Middle East. Both of these holy places, together with the southern wall were built by the Israeli King Herod and completed by 10BCE. They were part of the temple complex. On the southern wall were the Double Gate and Triple Gate which were known as the Hulda Gates after the prophetess Hulda and were used as the main entrance for millions of Jewish pilgrims in the Second Temple. The Hulda Tunnel and Solomon’s Stables (which were never stables and did not exist in the time of King Solomon but were erroneously called this by the Crusaders) remained exactly as they were at the time of the Second Temple until recently when the Arabs on the Temple Mount covered the beautiful ornamentation and the pillars and illegally converted the area into a mosque.
The archaeologists called on the Israeli authorities to repair the wall. However, the archaeologist, Eilat Mazar, stated that nothing can prevent the imminent collapse of the wall. They also stated that they do not know the reason for the bulge. However, the Arabs on the Temple Mount refuse to allow the Israeli authorities to try to repair the wall.
Yesterday (28/08/02) the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement sent an open letter to Ariel Sharon, the Prime Minister of Israel. In the letter the chairman of the Movement, Gershon Salomon, stated that the reason for the bulge and the “danger” of the wall collapsing is the Hand of the G–d of Israel. Gershon wrote in the letter that the bulge and probable collapse is no accident but the commencement of a godly move for the collapse of all the strange, pagan Arab presence on the Temple Mount which is the most holy site of the temple. This is a fulfilment of the prophecies of the prophets of Israel for the redemption of the Temple Mount, Israel and all the world. It is so sad that everyone who looks for the reason for the bulge are too blind to understand this prophetic fact. Gershon called on the Israeli authorities and the archaeologists not to interfere in G–d’s activities and to prevent any activity to repair the wall. This godly event signifies the start of the collapse of the walls of violence and hatred against the people of G–d and the presence of the Arab Islamic enemy of the G–d and people of Israel in the most holy place of the G–d and people of Israel. The G–d of Israel is moving the end-time history of Israel and all the world towards the purification of His holy hill from the foreigners and their desecration and towards the rebuilding of the temple. This is also the start of G–d’s judgement on these foreign enemies on the Temple Mount who have desecrated, vandalised and destroyed the remains of the First and Second Temples, built new mosques on the holy site of G–d and still continue their activities to convert the Temple Mount into an Islamic site by eliminating the remains of the Jewish temples. They dared to lift their hands against the G–d of Israel and the people of Israel. They were deluded into thinking that they could deny and ignore the existence of the temple on the Temple Mount and in this way prevent the godly historical end-time step of the redemption of the Temple Mount, Israel and all the world.
The G–d of Israel showed them that no one can raise their hands and fight against Him. So many enemies of Israel who have occupied the Temple Mount and Jerusalem since the destruction of the Second Temple in 70CE have completely disappeared from the stage of history like dust in the wind under the judgement of G–d. This and even worse will be the fate of the current enemies of the G–d and people of Israel on the Temple Mount and all over the land of Israel.
Gershon called on Ariel Sharon not to squander the great credit that G–d and history gave him at a very great and critical time in the history of Israel but to co-operate with G–d and to remove His enemies from his most holy hill and to immediately start the building of the Third Temple
Gershon reminded Prime Minister Sharon of the Hand of G–d on the southern wall of the Temple Mount during Tisha b’Av 2001 when the Temple Mount Faithful Movement carried the cornerstone to the area in front of the wall and its historical gates and how the bulge had immediately started to appear. It was a clear message from G–d that the gates and walls should immediately be opened to the cornerstone and the starting of the rebuilding of the temple. Exactly as His word states in the Psalms, “the stone which the builders rejected became the head of the corner”. Through this cornerstone G–d caused a political and spiritual earthquake in Israel, the Middle East and all over the world. In all the Arab countries models of the temple that they built were burned and again the had illusions that they could prevent this major godly end-time event by such activities which again brought them to desecrate the Name of G–d. It is no accident that G–d caused the bulge and eventual collapse on the southern wall of the Temple Mount. This was the main entrance for pilgrims to the First and Second Temples and G–d is eager to open this wall and its gates to millions of pilgrims to the Third Temple.
On Saturday 24th August 2002, the anti-Israeli Islamic Movement in Israel brought 45,000 of its members to the Temple Mount and held a demonstration against the G–d and people of Israel. The Temple Mount Faithful Movement sent a message of protest to the Israeli authorities and asked them why they did not prevent this demonstration which again desecrated the holy site of the G–d of Israel. During the demonstration they incited the Arabs against the Israeli sovereignty on the Temple Mount and in Jerusalem and the land of Israel. They stated that the land of Israel is “Palestine” and that there is no place for the Jews on the Temple Mount or in Jerusalem and all of the land of Israel. They denied that the Temple Mount had been the site of the First and Second Temples and the godly historical heart and soul of the G–d and people of Israel. It was a terrible revolt by the followers of Yasser Arafat, the enemies of the G–d and people of Israel on the Temple Mount, against G–d and the eternal covenant that He made with Abraham and Israel when He gave the land of Israel to His people Israel only and gave them the Temple Mount and Jerusalem where they were to build His house. It was a rude lie against the history of the relationship and long link between G–d, Israel and the Holy Land; a history of thousands of years of the people of Israel who lived in this land since the time of Abraham and King David and built it to be the land of the G–d and people of Israel. The reaction of G–d came immediately. On the next day the archaeologists discovered that the size of the bulge had increased. This was again an immediate sign of the Hand of G–d and His judgement.
In his letter to the Prime Minister, Gershon stated that we are now standing at the threshold of a new and decisive stage in the major, historical, prophetic, godly move for the redemption of the Temple Mount, the people and land of Israel and of all the world. We are now witnessing the final death throws of the cruel, foreign and vandalistic occupation of the Temple Mount, Jerusalem and the land of Israel. G–d will no longer suffer the continued desecration of His holy mountain. If the Israeli Government will not immediately stop the enemies occupation as G–d expects it to do, then G–d Himself will very soon stop it which He has already started to do. The bulge in the southern wall is the start of this irreversible move of G–d.. The people of Israel and all the world cannot and will not succeed in running away from the Temple Mount and from the godly task of the people of Israel to immediately rebuild the house of G–d. The Temple Mount and the temple will pursue them and the temple will soon be rebuilt whether they want it or not. This is the hour decreed by the G–d of Israel.
The collapse of security, the economy, the community, morality, the cruel terror attacks, the terrible carnage on the roads and the political and social instability all over the world are a result of the shameful ignoring of the Temple Mount and the call of G–d to the immediate rebuilding of the temple which will open a new godly era of morality in the life of all the world. Gershon called on the people of Israel and its leadership to heed the call of their G–d, the G–d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to join Him and His prophetic end-time redemptional move, to immediately purify the holy hill of G–d and to immediately build His house on the Temple Mount which will be the major tower of light for Israel and all the nations and a house of love and worship for the people of G–d and all the world. We are calling for the awakening of everyone for this major prophetic and godly end-time event in Israel and all over the world. Let us not miss the great godly opportunity which He privileged us to have at a very critical and exciting time in the history of Israel and all the world.
Everyone in Israel and all over the world is called on to pray loudly the following Word of G–d to His prophet, Isaiah which has started to become reality and will soon be completed on the Temple Mount. -
“O Lord, you are my God; I will exalt you, I will praise your name; for you have done wonderful things; your counsels of old are faithfulness and truth. For you have made of a city a heap; of a fortified city a ruin; a palace of strangers to be no city; it shall never be rebuilt. Therefore shall the strong people glorify you, the city of the terrible nations shall fear you. For you have been a strength to the poor, a strength to the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shadow from the heat, when the blast of tyrants was like a storm against the wall. You shall bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; as the heat is removed by the shadow of a cloud; so the song of tyrants shall be brought low. And in this mountain shall the Lord of hosts make to all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined. And he will destroy in this mountain the covering that is cast over all the people, and the veil that is spread over all nations. He will destroy death for ever; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the insult of his people shall he take away from off all the earth; for the Lord has spoken it. And it shall be said on that day, Behold, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us; this is the Lord; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation. For in this mountain shall the hand of the Lord rest, and Moab shall be trampled down in his own place, like straw is trampled down in the dunghill. And he shall spread out his hands in the midst of them, as he who swims spreads out his hands to swim; and he shall bring down their pride together with the plunder of their hands. And the high fortifications of your walls shall he bring down, lay low, and bring to the ground, even to the dust.” (Isaiah25)
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This is a great photo Kindgo!
I have a question for you all. Do you get bothered looking at picture of that dome on the site? It really bothers me. I know God is not living in a temple on the mount anymore, but this thing makes me want to cry.
I cant imagine being Jewish and seeing this all these hundreds and hundreds of years. I honestly do not know how they have stood it at all. much less the digging and destruction of artifacts that has occurred.
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From the Prophecy Today web site gallery.
http://www.gospelcom.net/shofar/pp/...17&pg=1&count=8
These photos are from 2001, when they first noticed the bulge. It's much worse now!
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This is an aerial photo of the Temple Mount.
This is a true North/South layout. They photograph it from all kinds of different angles, but in this one North is up, West is left, just like a road map.
On the left side of the picture there is a wall, or maybe a road. The upper end curves back to the right. The wider wall at the end of the curve and extending northward is the Wailing Wall, just to the left of that grove of trees. The light brown area to the left of the wall is the gathering place you see on the live wall cams.
The area at the bottom is the current archeological excavation..
From the golden Dome in the center, go down through the trees to the smaller, grayish dome. That's the Al Aqsa Mosque and it's entrance is on the Southern wall, the dark gray wall. That brownish open area to the right of the mosque, all the way to the corner sits on top of the remains of Solomon's Stables. This is the area the Wakf has been doing construction work on underground.
The bulge is to the left of the corner, in the photo scale, I'd guess it's about an inch from the corner, toward the mosque. I'm trying to find a good reference point, but there is nothing noticable at the exact spot. OK, in the brown open area, at the top of it there are two or three trees that go down into the brown area itself. Draw an imaginary line down from the trees to the Southern Wall and make an imaginary "X". The bulge is about halfway between that "X" and the corner. There are two small holes or something on the wall itself... it's near those. I'm not certain of the exact location, but this is close.
So it's a long way from the Dome of the Rock. And, unless there is a lot of weakening under the ground in the Solomon's Stables area, I don't think the Al Aqsa mosque would be damaged at all if it fell. All that will happen is a big chunk of the Southern Wall will fall outward toward the bottom of the photo.
If it falls, the event will be no big deal in itself. Dr. Mazar's concern is from the archeological perspective. Who knows what the politicians will make out of it.
http://www.hum.huji.ac.il/temple_mount/open_page.htm
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This is a direct link to the large sketch of the Temple Mount. The image needs to be rotated counter-clockwise. The red wall on the left is the Southern Wall and should be at the bottom of the screen. (I tried to post this image once, but it makes the RR page too wide.) Solomon's Stables, the brownish area from the first photo is #3 in this sketch. The Wailing Wall is #1.
http://www.har-habayt.org/templemountm.jpg
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Another aerial view
http://www.unesco.org/courier/2000_12/photoshr/40_3.htm
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Kindgo
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Ezekiel 13:10-16
10Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there is no peace; and when one buildeth up a wall, behold, they daub it with untempered mortar: 11say unto them that daub it with untempered mortar, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it. 12Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it? 13Therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah: I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my wrath; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in wrath to consume it. 14So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered mortar, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be uncovered; and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am Jehovah. 15Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered mortar; and I will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it; 16to wit, the prophets of Israel that prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and that see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord Jehovah.
Wow, is God awesome! The above prophecy was written somewhere around 570 B.C.! I certainly would not want to be near this wall when it collapses!
Here is another prophecy on this from Isaiah:
Isaiah 30:12-14
12Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and rely thereon; 13 therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly in an instant. 14And he shall break it as a potter’s vessel is broken, breaking it in pieces without sparing; so that there shall not be found among the pieces thereof a sherd wherewith to take fire from the hearth, or to dip up water out of the cistern.
COME QUICKLY LORD JESUS!
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Prime Minister to convene forum on threat of Western Wall collapse
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon will convene a restricted forum of ministers to discuss the danger of the southern wall of the Temple Mount compound collapsing. Mayor of Jerusalem Ehud Olmert, Attorney General Elyakim Rubinstein, the heads of the security forces and Antiquities Authority officials are also expected to attend the meeting.
Ther announcement of thr forum follows an urgent call Tuesday by Interior Minister Eli Yishai for the cabinet to debate at its next meeting claims that the southern part of the Western Wall is in danger of collapse.
An urgent letter sent Monday by a citizens' watchdog group to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon warned of "a clear and present danger that the southern part of the Western Wall and the Temple Mount might collapse" as a result of the construction by the Waqf Muslim trust, which supervises the Temple Mount mosque complex.
In the letter, the group - known as the Committee for the Prevention of the Destruction of Antiquities - urged Sharon "to take immediate action to deal with the problem before a disaster occurs."
Adnan Husseini, director of the Waqf, said Tuesday that the bulge in the Western Wall has not grown or shifted for about 30 years and that it is no danger of collapsing.
"This bulge is under our monitoring since the 70s," he said. "It is stable, we don't feel that there is any dangerous situation."
Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert on Tuesday morning called on the government to take immediate action to prevent the "historical and human disaster" that will happen if the southern portion of the Western Wall collapses.
"In my opinion we have reached the moment of truth," Olmert told Israel Radio. "The government of Israel has no alternative but to decide to exercise our natural authority in regard to the Temple Mount."
"We made all kinds of efforts to reach understandings [on the issue], which I cannot fully reveal here because of their sensitive nature both here in Israel and abroad, to pinpoint the reasons [for the movement of the wall] so we can properly address the matter," Olmert added.
Archaeologist Dr. Eilat Mazar, who is a member of the Committee for the Prevention of the Destruction of Antiquities, told Israel Radio on Tuesday morning that "to date no steps have been taken in the matter, which means that nothing can be done to correct the situation." She said the question now is "whether the wall will collapse on thousands of worshippers or if it will happen in a controlled manner."
The movement of the southern part of the Western Wall has been going on for several years, but it peaked during the past year, in the area of the wall that also serves as one of the walls for Solomon's Stables. The Waqf transformed the Stables, the main core of their building, into a mosque which can hold 10,000 worshipers.
The Waqf, the Antiquities Authority, the Israeli government and the Jordanian government were all actively engaged in the southern wall issue, and in an attempt to address the problem, scaffolding was built on the side of the expansion. Secret talks were also held between the Antiquities Authority, the Jordanians and Muslim religious leaders.
Among the signatories to the letter to the prime minister were archeologists Dr. Gabi Barkai and Eilat Mazar; Yaakov Yaniv, a former section chief in the Shin Bet security service and Dr. Orit Zur. In the letter, they told the prime minister that "The expansion of the southern wall has recently increased and the situation has become irreversible over the past six months."
"We are warning you and making you aware that the wall in the area will soon collapse," the letter said. "The danger of a collapse is close and real."
The Western Wall, Judaism's holiest site, is a supporting wall of the Temple Mount that has remained intact since the destruction of the Temple in 70 C.E., and was captured by Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War.
By Nadav Shragai and Mazal Mualem, Ha'aretz Correspondents, and Ha'aretz Service
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/p...SubContrassID=0
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Scaffolding on the Western Wall in the Old City of Jerusalem on Tuesday.
(Photo: Ha'aretz Archive)
Interior Minister Eli Yishai called Tuesday for the cabinet to debate at its next meeting claims that the southern part of the Western Wall is in danger of collapsing, Israel Radio reported.
An urgent letter sent Monday by a citizens' watchdog group to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon warned of "a clear and present danger that the southern part of the Western Wall and the Temple Mount might collapse" as a result of the construction by the Waqf Muslim trust, which supervises the Temple Mount mosque complex.
In the letter, the group - known as the Committee for the Prevention of the Destruction of Antiquities - urged Sharon "to take immediate action to deal with the problem before a disaster occurs."
Adnan Husseini, director of the Waqf, said Tuesday that the bulge in the Western Wall has not grown or shifted for about 30 years and that it is no danger of collapsing.
"This bulge is under our monitoring since the 70s," he said. "It is stable, we don't feel that there is any dangerous situation."
Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert on Tuesday morning called on the government to take immediate action to prevent the "historical and human disaster" that will happen if the southern portion of the Western Wall collapses.
"In my opinion we have reached the moment of truth," Olmert told Israel Radio. "The government of Israel has no alternative but to decide to exercise our natural authority in regard to the Temple Mount."
"We made all kinds of efforts to reach understandings [on the issue], which I cannot fully reveal here because of their sensitive nature both here in Israel and abroad, to pinpoint the reasons [for the movement of the wall] so we can properly address the matter," Olmert added.
Archaeologist Dr. Eilat Mazar, who is a member of the Committee for the Prevention of the Destruction of Antiquities, told Israel Radio on Tuesday morning that "to date no steps have been taken in the matter, which means that nothing can be done to correct the situation." She said the question now is "whether the wall will collapse on thousands of worshippers or if it will happen in a controlled manner."
The movement of the southern part of the Western Wall has been going on for several years, but it peaked during the past year, in the area of the wall that also serves as one of the walls for Solomon's Stables. The Waqf transformed the Stables, the main core of their building, into a mosque which can hold 10,000 worshipers.
The Waqf, the Antiquities Authority, the Israeli government and the Jordanian government were all actively engaged in the southern wall issue, and in an attempt to address the problem, scaffolding was built on the side of the expansion. Secret talks were also held between the Antiquities Authority, the Jordanians and Muslim religious leaders.
Among the signatories to the letter to the prime minister were archeologists Dr. Gabi Barkai and Eilat Mazar; Yaakov Yaniv, a former section chief in the Shin Bet security service and Dr. Orit Zur. In the letter, they told the prime minister that "The expansion of the southern wall has recently increased and the situation has become irreversible over the past six months."
"We are warning you and making you aware that the wall in the area will soon collapse," the letter said. "The danger of a collapse is close and real."
The Western Wall, Judaism's holiest site, is a supporting wall of the Temple Mount that has remained intact since the destruction of the Temple in 70 C.E., and was captured by Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War.
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