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But the commandments of the New Covenant must be spiritually discerned. The natural man will not understand such commandments as "Love your enemy." Only the Holy Spirit can bring a human heart into obedience to commandments like those of the New Covenant.

The heart of God is much bigger than the Ten Commandments that He had to give to sinful people.

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that is correct, that is why you will never find Yahweh's people with a weapon in their hands defending any earthly kingdom.

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This is quite simple:

Deut 5:1-5

1. And Moses called all Israel, and said to them: "Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments (what are these statutes and judgments?) which I speak in your hearing today, that you may learn them and be careful to observe them.

2. "The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.

Ok. He's talking about a covenant God made with the people.

3. "The LORD did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

So, whatever covenant God made with the people at Horeb it is certainly NOT the covenant God made with the fathers of the Israelites: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

4. "The LORD talked with you face to face on the mountain from the midst of the fire.

Moses recounts what happened.

5. "I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to declare to you the word of the LORD; for you were afraid because of the fire, and you did not go up the mountain. He said:

Any guesses what follows? The Ten Commandments.

In short: the 10 Commandments were given to the people at Horeb (Moses and the Jews) within a different covenant from the one given to Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

The covenant at Horeb required the response of the Jews. God kept His part of the covenant ("I will make you a nation.") but the Jews could not keep their's. Consequently, they became slaves to the law. The law only produces slaves.

The covenant that included Abraham was established between God and God (Hebrews 6:13, Genesis 22:16), the payment of which occurred from the foundation of the earth (Revelation 13:8). God walked between the slaughtered animals and never required the same from Abraham (Genesis 15). Abraham, then, received the promise without ever paying the price. The promise of that covenant was sonship, fully paid by The Son before the foundation of the world (in eternity) and seen by all men about 2000 years ago on the cross(in time). All who believe God in this, as Abraham did, will receive the promise.

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But the commandments of the New Covenant must be spiritually discerned. The natural man will not understand such commandments as "Love your enemy." Only the Holy Spirit can bring a human heart into obedience to commandments like those of the New Covenant.

The heart of God is much bigger than the Ten Commandments that He had to give to sinful people.

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Where the "Ten Commandments" Before Mt Sinai?

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In the Heart of Yahweh

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Where the "Ten Commandments" Before Mt Sinai?

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Originally posted by barrykind:
If you believe Brother Drew that everything that comes out of the website "link" url that you posted is false, why would you post the link?

If i thought the article was false, i would have refuted the article by point of scripture, to knowingly post what you believe to be a "false" website would endanger newbies would it not sir?

Just my observation...My Brother

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#1 It was important to show the corrupt source for the volume of material which you had posted.

#2 We have far better things to do then repudiating the error of cults on a point by point, scripture by scripture basis, like rearranging my sock drawer.

At NO TIME prior to the Children of Israel in the wilderness, under Moses, did man keep the Sabbath. Not one scripture declares otherwise. For the false teachers to vainly attempt to teach sabbath keeping by Abraham, Issac, Jacob, is to teach error.

To wrestle scripture in order to superimpose the Mosaic Law over scripture prior to Moses is blatant error perpetrated by false teachers.

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Luv U Drew and BigC. Maybe, just maybe the baseball fans will start coming back.

I never seen the bleachers so empty since that other worm that spammed the board with his Knee teachings.

Nope? then again the last week has had the lowest bleacher count Ive seen to date.

Hey any ways. Im on my 4th venison loading of the frezzers.Hehe! Going back out in a few , keep up the good work.


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Originally posted by barrykind:
If you believe Brother Drew that everything that comes out of the website "link" url that you posted is false, why would you post the link?

If i thought the article was false, i would have refuted the article by point of scripture, to knowingly post what you believe to be a "false" website would endanger newbies would it not sir?

Just my observation...My Brother

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If you believe Brother Drew that everything that comes out of the website "link" url that you posted is false, why would you post the link?

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Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
barrykind

According to that logic, we could post articles from Catholic websites.

Or Mormon websites, or JW, or any other cult.

Cult teachings are not welcome at the Christian BBS.

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It reminds me of Pepe Lapu painting out the white stench line on his tail but never able to get rid of the smell.



Only other Lapu's can enjoy the stench. Of coarse there are the ALTRA LAPU's, those that try to spray some religious deodorant on it to make it palatable from a distance.

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Originally posted by barrykind:
I dont know much about HWA, other than i heard he was a false prophet..

Does that make all the material coming from ther false?

i dont think so.
He started wwcog, i think he is now dead.

i do not know this man either..B. Thiel,
He wrote the article, but that does not make the article false does it?

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The Living Church of God bases its beliefs on the Holy Bible, the inspired Word of God. Our doctrines, practices, policies and traditions have their roots in the Worldwide Church of God under the leadership of Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong who, in 1952, ordained Roderick C. Meredith (our Presiding Evangelist) as one of that organization’s first evangelists.

Scripture says that we must "grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 3:18). Within that biblical mandate, the Presiding Evangelist and Council of Elders of the Living Church of God, led by the Holy Spirit, have the responsibility to clarify and establish doctrine, as expressed in this Official Statement of Fundamental Beliefs.

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Were the Ten Commandments in Effect Before Mount Sinai?

By COGwriter

Some, in their effort to justify not observing the ten commandments, have argued that the ten commandments were not enjoined in the Bible prior to Mount Sinai (Ex 20:2-17). This, however, is not biblically correct. As this article will show (through biblical quotes) all ten of the commandments are mentioned as being applicable in the Bible before they were codified on Mount Sinai. (Note the quotes from God in the Old Testament are in purple and the quotes from Jesus in the New Testament are in red.)

Commandment 1: "I am the LORD, who brought you out of Ur" (Gen 15:7); "I am Almighty God, walk before me and be blameless" (Gen 17:1); "I am the God of your father--the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob" (Ex 3:6). "Put away the foreign gods that are among you, purify yourselves" (Gen 35:2). "and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD" (Ex 12:12). "Now I know that the LORD is greater than all the gods; for in the very thing in which they behaved proudly, He was above them" (Ex 18:11). "This also would be an iniquity deserving of judgement, for I would have denied God who is above" (Job 31:28). "Then Job answered the LORD and said, 'I know that you can do everything, And that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from you'" (Job 42:1-2).

Commandment 2: "'Put away the foreign gods that are among you, purify yourselves'...So they gave Jacob all the foreign gods which were in their hands, and the earrings which were in their ears and Jacob hid them" (Gen 35:2,4). "And you shall not let any of your descendants pass through the fire of Molech...for all these abominations the men of the land have done, who were before you, and thus the land is defiled" (Lev 18:21,27). "If I have observed the sun when it shines, or the moon moving in its brightness, so that my heart has been secretly enticed, and my mouth has kissed my hand; This also would be an iniquity deserving of judgement, For I would have denied God who is above" (Job 31:27-28) (note this is believed to be part of idol worship)....

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