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bluefrog
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Her said he wuz a disciple, same thang as a postle.
Postles are older by a couple thousand years.
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Michael Harrison had written of Fred Price quote:
Better pay attention to Fred Price. He's a Postle. Seen it on tv the other day, the tribute. Yep, he's a postle.
I wuz jus wonderin' if you also is a Postle?
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Betty, that is quite a story. I betcha that most everyone backs off saying What?!, when they read that scripture. Hate your faather, mother, sister, brother, wife and kids. I know I sure did. Some words in Hebrew or Greek can mean a much different interpretation than what English and updated means. Even further, as you know, like the story about the rich man, God knew what his priorities were and that he would not sell all and give it to the poor.
The word hate meant to not want to be with them and to those I suppose it would fit if they were to follow Him as some did. I guess the key word would be to be Willing to leave family to be with the Lord.
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Michael, Sorry, wrong 'postle' This is an article from Live as if ministries.
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~To Him That is able to keep you from falling and to present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy...to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.~ Jude 24
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Better pay attention to Fred Price. He's a Postle. Seen it on tv the other day, the tribute. Yep, he's a postle.
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Betty Louise
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Years ago, I use to wonder how God could ask us to give up family for Him, if necessary. I was newly married and they seemed hard. But, as my husband left the Church and God behind, I drew closer to God and I can say that God never failed me. My cousin and I married brothers. When hubby's brother left God she left the Church and even made the comment if her husband was going to hell, she would go with him. Sadly, their marriage broke up.
She gave up God for a man who soon gave her up.
I realize that no man or woman is worth going to hell for. If we were blessed to live a 100 years and were blessed to be married 75 plus years, that is nothing compared to eternity with out God.
So yes, God is worth giving up even our mates for.
I did not have to give up my mate, but it took 25 years of praying and staying faithful to God before my husband became a Christian. Now we serve God together.
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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hippity- hop can't stop the foot plop in the mouth slot when reading nut drops ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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~To Him That is able to keep you from falling and to present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy...to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.~ Jude 24
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ok~now what?
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That is all.....
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ahhh well. We can't all be PERFECT can we??
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~To Him That is able to keep you from falling and to present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy...to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.~ Jude 24
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Open Mouth, Insert Foot
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bumped off? what meanth this?
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~To Him That is able to keep you from falling and to present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy...to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.~ Jude 24
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I wanted you to know that before I got bumped off.
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No prob bluefrog...I'm really not easily offended. Tough old gal
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~To Him That is able to keep you from falling and to present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy...to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.~ Jude 24
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Found in Him....Being from the old school, I read Harrisons comments to you and went through the roof. Then he took us all on and I lost it.
If it offended you I am sorry but I had heard enough.
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Done
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~To Him That is able to keep you from falling and to present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy...to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.~ Jude 24
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Good one. It wasn't all that long. You can delete my note now so it doesn't run others off.
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'Point of Reference' from Fred Price
Originally posted on 07/20/2007
Count the cost of being a disciple
Does it cost to be a Christian? Is there a price to be paid by the believer in Christ, a follower of The Way? A young man asked essentially this same question of Jesus many years ago. Jesus’ reply to him was to give all he had and in so doing be a true follower, gain riches in heaven and receive eternal life. (Matthew 19:16-21, Luke 18:18-22) Upon hearing this requirement made of the rich young ruler, Peter asserted that he and the others with him had done just that, to which Jesus assured him, “…no one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age (homes, brothers, sisters, mother, father, children and fields - and with them persecutions) and in the age to come, eternal life.” Mark 10:28-30, Luke 18:28,29 Jesus sets the standard this way. “If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel, will save it.” Luke 19:23,24, Mark 8:35 He further states that anyone who does not, “...cannot be my disciple.” Luke 14:27
But what does that really mean? Again Jesus explains with a practical lesson based on common tasks requiring thoughtful preparation. “Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Will he not first sit down and estimate the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it? For if he lays the foundation and is not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule him, saying, ‘This fellow began to build and was not able to finish.’ Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Will he not first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the army coming against him with twenty thousand? If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace. In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.” Luke 14:28-33 Must we literally give up all we have, go live in a cave or become a street preacher? Or are we being told we must be willing to give up all we have if a need arises for us to live elsewhere, be something other than we are now vocationally or meet a financial need other than our own with money freed up by down-sizing how we live? That would require an emotional, spiritual, intentional readiness to sacrifice self – our wants, our dreams – for God; putting him first in all we do, hope for, and plan to do in the future. One word change might refocus and emphasize more readily this request, lose your life for me as you lose your life IN me.
What are the consequences if we don’t? For a non-Christian, not having gained anything, I suppose nothing; he’s already lost. For the one claiming Christ, all he has and then some. Paul put it this way, “…I have laid a foundation as an expert builder, and some one else is building on it. (In this case, you - your life.) But each one should be careful how he builds. For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Christ Jesus. If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is,...It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man’s work.” (Fire in some instances indicating intense scrutiny or a refining process that strips away what is superficial and valueless, keeping only that which is useful; the precious worth of a life lived in Christ.) “If what he has built survives he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.” 1 Corinthians 3:10-15
How about you? Are you attempting to just get by, or do you want to excel? Which begs the question: Can a person just slide by, even fall away and backslide and still be OK or is it possible to reach a point of no return? The author of the book of Hebrews declares that, “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.” (Hebrews 6:4-8) Peter concurs with Paul in warning, “If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.” (2 Peter 2:20) Be assured that this is not alluding to the occasional stumble and fall we are all prone to but to willfully, consistently living outside the will of God. For, “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sin is left,…” Hebrews 10:26
At a time when, “…every inclination of the thoughts of (man’s) heart was only evil all the time.”, God declared that, “My Spirit will not contend with man (K.J. - remain in man) forever.” Genesis 6:3,5; indicating a point at which God will quit prodding man to obedience. Could the same be true for our indifference and lack of diligence in following his will; is it possible our desire to do just enough to get by rather than excelling in our Christian life and lifestyle might become tiresome and insulting to him? But where do Peter, Paul, or even Jesus get the right to tell me to give up anything, or demand that I be dedicated to living my life to please anyone but myself? Jesus paid a supreme price to gain that right while Peter and Paul lived their lives at the ultimate level of obedience and sacrifice, thereby gaining the right to at least admonish, teach, and encourage.
Jesus, “…gave himself as a ransom for all men…” 1 Timothy 2:6 Paul was beheaded after a life-long dedication to Christ’s Lordship in missions and Peter was hung on a cross - upside down so as not to be compared to his Lord and Master too closely. All three gave up their lives at one point or another, but by the One, “…we have been made holy…” Hebrews 10:10 As our sacrificial Lamb, he was offered once for all; making us indebted to him. (Hebrews 7:27) We owe him allegiance, our obedience, our love and our praise. For, “You are not your own, you were bought at a price...” 1 Corinthians 6:20 In fact, “…how shall we escape if we ignore such a great salvation?” Hebrews 2:3
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~To Him That is able to keep you from falling and to present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy...to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.~ Jude 24
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