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WildB
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Isaiah
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scythewieldor
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Dear Isaiah,
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Ro 2:17 ¶ Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,
20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
After the work of Christ on the cross, there was no more sacrifice which could gain atonement for a practitioner of Judaism. That being the case, as soon as a Jew committed a sin he lost his claim, for he became a dead soul.
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Nu 15:28 And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Since the soul is an aspect of the inward man, a sinning Jew's inward status was addressed.
Maybe we could say Jesus is the ONLY Jew who is a Jew inwardly (or, He is the last Jew who is a Jew inwardly). However, His righteousness is imputed to believers- even non-Jewish believers.
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Isaiah
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That's the 'official' definition of "Jews", yes-
(and is in 2 Kings)
H3064
יהוּדי
yehûdîy
yeh-hoo-dee'
Patronymic from H3063; a Jehudite (that is, Judaite or Jew), or descendant of Jehudah (that is, Judah): - Jew.
...but people in the world are not so specific -and lump all Israel together with that word.
Then again....Jew can and does biblically also refer to
spiritual Jews -not necessarily of ANY Israelite tribe....
Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
This does not refer to people pretending to be of the tribe of Judah specifically -but, rather, followers of Christ.
Rom 2:27-29 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfill the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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Ἰουδαῖος
Ioudaios
ee-oo-dah'-yos
From G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); udaean, that is, belonging to Jehudah: - Jew (-ess), of Juda.
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scythewieldor
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Dear friends,
The word of God should be sufficient for us to understand that the term "Jew" was assigned to a person of the Kingdom of Judah rather than one of the Kingdom of Israel.
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2 Chr 16:5 ¶ Then Rezin king of Syria and Pekah son of Remaliah king of Israel came up to Jerusalem to war: and they besieged Ahaz, but could not overcome him.
6 At that time Rezin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drave the Jews from Elath: and the Syrians came to Elath, and dwelt there unto this day.
7 So Ahaz sent messengers to Tiglathpileser king of Assyria, saying, I am thy servant and thy son: come up, and save me out of the hand of the king of Syria, and out of the hand of the king of Israel, which rise up against me.
Here, we have the first reference to the "Jews". In it's context, the king of Israel and the king of Syria attack the king of Judah.During the attack, the king of Syria "drave the Jews from Elath".
From the beginning of the usage of the word, it stood for a people distinct from the people of the stick of Joseph in the hand of Ephraim.
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