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barrykind
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hummmm [Smile]

Like Yahoshua said it would be better for Sodom and Gomorrah than for those Pharisees and Saducees.

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I certainly am not saying its not so bad, I am saying there are certain degrees of punishment.
It is still terrible torment.
A lost soul will experience torment for an eternity.
The time will justly fit the crime.

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Amein my Brother David;

love barry

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Hell is Eternal

The Holy Bible, King James Version

Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Matthew 25:45 through Matthew 25:46 (KJV)

There is no chance for parole – no chance of escape – no 2nd chance

Those who leave this world without the Grace of God upon their lives through Jesus Christ spend ALL of eternity in the torments of Hell never to escape nor to receive reprieve.

So don't go there, don't try to explain it away, don't try to make it not sound so bad. It is HELL!


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I believe mostly in the Gehenna hell, in which all humans and things on earth that God has not saved by grace will be turned to ashes in the lake of fire, and meet their second death.

In the King James Version (KJV), most of the English translated "hell" are the Greek word "Gehenna", which is Jesus way of saying "ge Hinnom", the "trashheap on the south side of Jerusalem" was in the valley of Hinnom, or "ge hinnom" or "gehenna" in Jesus's time.

The KJV translators also tranlated the Greek word "tartaros" and "hades" both as "hell", but a look at a Strong's Concordance will reveal to the honest reader that the vast majority of the occurrence of the word "hell" in the KJV are the Greek word gehenna, meaning the trashheap.

The Jerusalemites kept this trashheap burning artificially by throwing sulfur on the trashheaps, to make sure that everything burned thoroughly to ashes, lets any pestilence come up onto the land from it.

When Jesus uses this world "gehenna", Jesus is referring to this trashheap in the ge Hinnom, by saying, "in the same way will I burn all things on earth to ashes" as you do in your gehinnom or gehenna. Jesus will be sending all unbelievers to gehennna trashheap fire which no man can put out because God has kindled it.

It is the lake of fire, most likely, when lava comes up out of the center of the earth upon the top of the tectonic plates and there will be a lake of fire everywhere, when the gehenna fire of the Lord starts.

It is NOT eternall suffering but eternal gehenna burned to ashes in the form of the second death, who get to see that God was righteous, but then are cast into the lake of fire to be burned to ashes, and their spirits and bodies will NOT reconnect into a glorious body like Jesus had.

Gehenna hell is BY FAR the most frequent hell IN the KJV.

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I guess I will comment on what I have been taught of hell, what the Lord has allowed me to see.
Hell is a huge slab of hollowed out rock about 3000 miles below the surface of the earth.
It is in the earths mantle.
It is the place mainly for the holding of Fallen angels and demonic spirits. Unfortunately, satan is the father of sin, and those that choose to follow his ways and not be born of the Spirit will go there when they die.
The demons are torturing the lost in hell, it is a prison and a play house for the demons.
It is the unthinkable for the souls of the lost.
Hell and the lake of fire are two different places, the lake of fire is a spiritual lake in eternity which hell and death shall be thrown into.(Revelation 20:14)
During judgment day, people will be judged according to their works and their deeds. It will be up to the Lord and the Saints concerning the fate of many.
I believe that only the most vile and wicked of spirits are cast into the lake of fire. I believe God is a righteous and just God, and I believe he will judge righteously.
Many will remain in hell when it is thrown into the lake of fire, therefore protecting those that are in it, from the lake. Their torment is now with the demons, but they will not be in hell but in the lake of fire after judgment.
It is a miserable existence, but it is far better than those directly in the lake.

This is just what I have learned about it

Here is a good video that will give you an idea.

Conference:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=648563944666093503

Actual production video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=648912510964850987

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What does the Bible say about Hell?

http://www.howellministries.faithweb.com/hell.html

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I believe that there is a hell. Sad to say that not only do you have some who don't believe in hell but others who actually want to go there. Just awhile back, we had a poster here who said if Universal Salvation was not true, they would rather go to hell. I have heard people said that in hell they will be with their friends. I don't believe so. I believe that hell will be set up where each person is in solitaire confinement. I believe it will be so lonely and there will be no love nor any good emotion, but just hate and guilt and shame.
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im sort of surprised that only one has had comment on this subject..

It is not preached much anymore, nor even discussed much;
i thought on this forum many would have comments.


i sometimes post and article such as this for a topic of discussion, so as i too can learm.

i do not necessarly agree with everything that may be in the article.

What think ye???

love barry

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Regarding a part of the article by Jim Searcy. He said:

“The bible clearly teaches that HELL, or as it is sometimes called "the pit," or "bottomless pit," or "lake of fire".

Eden here:

There are only 3 Greek words which are translated “hell” in the King James Version, and these 3 Greek words are “hades”, “tartaros”, and “gehenna”. And, to the best of my knowledge, the “lake of fire” in Greek DOES NOT CONTAIN one of those three words.

Personally, I think that the “lake of fire” will be lava coming up onto the surface of the earth by the power of God, and that the “lake of fire” is connected to “gehenna” since “gehenna” referred to the trashheap in the valley of Hinnom or “ge Hinnom” which was on the south side of Jerusalem.

The Jerusalemites threw sulfur onto the trashheap to make sure everything burned to ashes. When Jesus used the word “gehenna” which the KJV writers translated “hell”, Jesus was referring to a symbol that the people in Judah/Benjamin could understand, namely the refuseheap of Hinnom, or in Greek, “ge-henna”.

As for “hades”, in the Bible that refers mostly to the grave, and “tartaros” is only where the fallen angels are or will be chained (I was not able to find the Bible verse for that, though, at this time).

Most of the “hells” in the New Testament are “gehenna”, the trashheap, then of Jersalem, next, of the earth, most will become a “gehenna” or “trashheap” when Jesus comes next as Conquering King to mount of Olives by Jerusalem.

Most “hells” are “gehenna”; and NOT “hades” and “tartaros”.

To repeat what Jim Searcy said:

“The bible clearly teaches that HELL, or as it is sometimes called "the pit," or "bottomless pit," or "lake of fire".

"Hell" is never called "the lake of fire". "Hell" is however often called "ge-henna", a near-cousin of "lake of fire" and probably related.

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Dear Friends –

Real Christians KNOW some things. Christians KNOW they deserve to go
to hell as sure as they KNOW why they will NOT get what they
deserve. We are saved by grace through repentance and FAITH in the
sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ, UNTO good works. For we are his
workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath
before ordained that we should walk in them. And Jesus said unto
them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath
sent. That means believing who He IS the very I AM who spoke with
Abraham and Moses, and believing ALL He said, including the facts
and realities of hell.

In these last days of strong delusion and great apostasy, perhaps
one of the most dangerous things anyone could do is listen to a
teacher who would teach that hell is not real. All of us natural
born sinners would quite naturally like to believe such a lie.
Sadly, it has become fashionable to deny the reality of hell.

Real biblical Christianity has historically taught that there is
only one of two possible destinations awaiting mankind after death:
heaven or hell. To those who have been justified by faith and
received the righteousness of Christ applied to their account, there
awaits a glorious eternity in the Kingdom of Heaven. To the rest who
willfully reject God's gift of salvation, or who attempts to appease
God's demand for perfection by some other way, other than trusting
in the righteousness of Christ, there awaits the terrors of hell.

In these last days of strong delusion it is not just the Jehovah
Witnesses, Mormons, and other NON-Christian cults, who deny the
reality of hell. The Mormons will lie and say they do believe in
hell, but that is no less of a lie then when they say they are
Christians. The entire Mormon religion and their false prophet
Joseph Smith is full of lies and duplicity, designed to lead them
all to be with Joseph Smith, Mohammed, and the rest of Satan's
false prophets now in the everlasting burning torments of hell.
Sadly, in these last days of strong delusion, when men will NOT
endure Sound Doctrine, teachers who present themselves to be
Christians or Messianic believers, more often than not minimize or
even deny the reality of hell. The Word of God teaches that hell is
as real as heaven and will last as long as heaven.

It is important for believers in these last days to KNOW and
articulate the facts, truth, and reality of the place of eternal
torment created for the devil and his angels known as hell. For we
are to be the witnesses of the Truths revealed and taught by Yeshua,
the Lord Jesus Christ. Compassion does not work on most hell bound
people today. Yes, of some few to have compassion, can make a
difference. We need to know by the Spirit of Truth when we are
dealing with such a rare exception. However, in these last days
marked by apostasy, strong delusion, false teachers, the vast
majority can only be led to want to be saved by the necessary truths
of the Word of God, to cause them to FEAR. The others, of whom Jude
spoke, even over 95% of whom would today call themselves Christians
or Messianic believers, need to be saved, or born again, AGAIN. The
only way to move the self sanctified ones bound for hell is by means
of fear as Jude so clearly stated. And others save with fear,
pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the
flesh.

Jesus taught more regarding the fact, truth and reality of hell,
than He taught of heaven. He KNEW the certain rich man and He knew
Lazarus. This is not a parable or story. The Lord said a CERTAIN
rich man. He knew this man and He knew that the man was in the
torment of Hell. Listen carefully to what Jesus told those most
religiously certain they were saved covenant people of God:

And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before
men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed
among men is abomination in the sight of God. The law and the
prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is
preached, and every man presseth into it. And it is easier for
heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. Jesus
then want on to speak of CERTAIN real people whom He knew, to teach
us some facts and truths we MUST understand in these last days of
strong delusion. I pray we will all have ears to hear what the LORD
said about these certain people He knew, and the certain eternal
destiny, which He knew them to have.

There was a CERTAIN rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine
linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain
beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And
desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's
table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to
pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into
Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in HELL
he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off,
and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham,
have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his
finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this
flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime
receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but
now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this,
between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which
would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us,
that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore,
father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have
five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come
into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses
and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father
Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets,
neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Anyone who says hell is not real makes the LORD a liar. It is a
place of torment created for the devil and his angels. For anyone
who rejects that Jesus is the I AM, both the Creator and Redeemer,
The Mighty God, who took flesh upon Himself to be the once for all
perfect sin offering, all such will spend eternity in a place of
eternal torment known as hell. Yeshua THE Messiah said it
explicitly – unless you believe that I AM, you shall die in your
sins. The Jews to whom He spoke in John 8:24 and John 8:54-59,
OBVIOUSLY understood He said that He is the SAME I AM who spoke to
Abraham and taught Torah to Moses, for they immediately tried to
stone Him:

Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my
Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Yet
ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know
him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep
his saying. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw
it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet
fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them,
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. Then took
they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out
of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

The Bible warns of a place called hell. I believe God can NOT Lie,
and God does NOT change. Those are the two immutable facts and
foundations of THE Faith.

There are over 162 references in the New Testament, alone which warn
of hell. Over 70 times Lord Jesus Christ spoke of the reality of
hell. Those who deny the facts, reality, and truth of hell, will
find they were wrong in the worst possible way. The fact that
someone does not believe in the fact and reality of hell, has
absolutely NO effect on the reality of hell. Those who would claim
to be Christians and teach that hell is not real need to be SHARPLY
rebuked. All such liars and deceived deceivers make my Lord out to
be a liar. Know this - all who lie about the facts and reality of
hell - ALL liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth
with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The LORD gave us such a vivid word picture of the facts and reality
of hell because He does not want us to choose to go there. The
certain rich man that He knew, died, and was buried; And in hell he
lift up his eyes, being in TORMENT, said I am tormented in this
FLAME. In Matthew 13:42, Jesus said, And shall cast them into a
FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. And
in Revelation 20:15, And whosoever was not found written in the book
of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE. Those who reject the gospel
need to know that Satan has a God given right to TORMENT their soul
in a VERY REAL PLACE CALLED HELL.

The bible clearly teaches that HELL, or as it is sometimes
called "the pit," or "bottomless pit," or "lake of fire", is in the
center of the earth. Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to
meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all
the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones
all the kings of the nations. Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought
down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Ezek 32:18-21 Son of man,
wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, even her, and
the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the
earth, with them that go down into the pit. Whom dost thou pass in
beauty? go down, and be thou laid with the uncircumcised. They shall
fall in the midst of them that are slain by the sword: she is
delivered to the sword: draw her and all her multitudes. The strong
among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with
them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised,
slain by the sword. Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and
there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace;
and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the
pit.

The bible prophets certainly believed hell to be real and located
beneath the earth's surface. To say this is not scientific is to
assume science knows much more about the earth's interior than is
actually the case. The great pit, known as hell, would need less
than 100 miles in diameter to contain, with much room to spare, all
the billions of people who have ever lived, assuming their souls and
spiritual bodies are the same size as their physical bodies. In 1987
scientific papers were published which stated the Earth's Center was
hotter than the Sun's Surface. Scientists estimate THE EARTH'S INNER
CORE HAS A TEMPERATURE OF OVER 12,000 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT! The
reality of this lake of fire in the center of the earth, making it
bottomless, should be obvious with the effects of most volcanoes.
Many described the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980, as when
hell surfaced on earth. The bible has always ultimately been proven
correct by honest science. For thousands of years the Bible has
accurately described a place called hell in the heart of the earth
that continues to be confirmed by what science is recently
discovering.

Inside this earth right now are millions of lost souls, burning in
torment, with absolute total hopelessness. And what are we doing to
avoid such a place? Hate crimes, or no hate crimes, how could we say
we love someone and not give warning of the fact and reality of such
a possible eternal destiny? Those would dare to call themselves
Christian and teach that hell is not real, are FAR removed from
LOVE, regardless of how highly they think of themselves. Such will
lead to that place of torment by their lies and vain imaginations,
which exalt themselves against the knowledge of God. Such make the
LORD to be a liar by their vain deceptions teaching hell is not a
real place of eternal torment.

This is the word of God as much as anything else in the bible. Mark
9:43-48; And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for
thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into
hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm
dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend
thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life,
than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never
shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not
quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better
for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having
two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and
the fire is not quenched.

Whom shall we believe? The Lord Jesus Christ, who IS The Truth
personified, or the local liar for hire who tells us what we want to
hear? The Lord said THEIR worm, not a worm, or the worm, but THEIR
worm. The earth's crust on land is about 50 miles thick in most
places. However, in parts of the ocean floor, the earth's crust is
less than a mile thick. Recently cracks have been discovered on the
ocean floor where molten rock was leaking out. Around those hot
places on the ocean floor where the molten lava was coming out very,
very, deep in the ocean floor were found big worms, yes like eight
foot long worms, found no where else on the planet. These worms are
called Riftia. Riftia pachyptila live over a mile deep on the floor
of the ocean near hydrothermal vents called black smokers first
discovered in 1977. The temperature of the water at the vent can
reach 750 F degrees. These worms up to 8 feet can obviously tolerate
extremely high temperatures, high pressures, and total darkness.

Hell is a place where their worm dieth not and the fire is not
quenced and in total darkness.

Finding the grace of God in repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus
Christ is the ONLY way to avoid the eternal destiny known as hell.
Inside this earth is a lake of fire and brimstone, the reality of
which has been known by those who believe the Word of God for
thousands of years. Recent scientific discoveries in this last
generation confirm that is indeed what is deep under the earth's
crust. Literally fire and brimstone. Volcanoes blast streams of
molten sulphur, which has been scientifically verified only as
recently as 2002. The bible had this unchanging truth recorded for
thousands of years.

It is humanly impossible to comprehend the Bible description of
hell. Nothing on earth can compare with it. No nightmare could
produce a terror to match that of hell. Jesus Christ spoke more on
hell than any other subject. Just look at how Jesus described hell:
fire Matt 7:19, 13:40, 25:41, everlasting fire Matt 18:8, 25:41
eternal damnation Mark 3:29, hell fire Matt 5:22, 18:9, Mark 9:47
damnation Matt 23:14, Mark 12:40, Luke 20:47, damnation of hell Matt
23:33, resurrection of damnation John 5:29, furnace of fire Matt
13:42, 50, the fire that never shall be quenched Mark 9:43, 45, the
fire is not quenched Mark 9:44, 46, 48, Where their worm dieth not
Mark 9:44, 46, 48, wailing and gnashing of teeth, Matt 13:42, 50,
weeping and gnashing of teeth Matt 8:12, 22:13, 25:30, torments Luke
16:23, tormented in this flame Luke 16:24, place of torment Luke
16:28, outer darkness Matt 8:12, 22:13, everlasting punishment Matt
25:46

Hebrews 9:27 says, And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but
after this THE JUDGEMENT: The Lord told us these truths because He
love us and does not want that to be our destiny. The teacher who
would teach that hell is not real is NOT loving you. Hell IS Real.
That is a title of an article on the GJiGT which is being updated
with these and many more scripture proofs that hell is real. Why
that is being done is that you will not go to that real place by
design or default. The updated article will also have a picture of
those astonishing worms that live under such high pressure, total
darkness, and high temperatures. That link is
http://www.dccsa. com/greatjoy/ hellis.htm

Only be very strong and of good courage. Stay IN the Word.

From Chittim, Isa 23:1,

Shalom & Simcha,
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