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Topic: TWO CHARACTERISTICS OF THE END OF THE AGE FROM THE APOSTLE PAUL
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Eden
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Hi, becauseHElives, the verse you quoted mentioned these types of persons:
“For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of god; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
Eden here:
I was wondering, haven’t these kinds of persons been with mankind for all ages? Haven’t there ALWAYS been homosexuals, haters, backbiters, despisers, “Babylonian” new age types, brutality, conceited, lovers of pleasure, reckless, malicious gossips, and all the rest of them?
And have there not been many times in history when MANY of these types were MUCH WORSE than they are now? I tend to view our modern, post-World War II world history as relatively BENIGN compared to the brutality, recklessness, conceit, lovers of pleasure, intrigues, or whatever else, in the days of ancient Rome or Assyria or Babylon or Mari or Egypt? Things are relatively calm right now in my opinion.
How can you say that what is happening now is much worse than in the historical past? The most you seem to be able to assert is that "the churches are becoming more new age and ecumenical".
In the 7th century B.C., eventhough the kings of Judah had the temple of the LORD right in their midst, they had closed the doors of the temple for decades on end:
2 Chronicles 26
6 For our fathers have trespassed, and done that which was evil in the eyes of the LORD our God, and have forsaken Him, and have turned away their faces from the habitation of the LORD, and turned their backs.
7 Also they have shut up the doors of the porch, and put out the lamps, and have not burned incense nor offered burnt offerings in the holy place unto the God of Israel.
8 Therefore the wrath of the LORD was upon Judah and Jerusalem, and He has delivered them to trouble, to astonishment, and to hissing, as you see with your eyes.
Eden here:
Isn't that at least as bad if not worse than "the churches are becoming new age and ecumenical", or whatever?
Eden
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AMEN !!
Daniel 12
1 "At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise [a] will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge."
5 Then I, Daniel, looked, and there before me stood two others, one on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank. 6 One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, "How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?"
7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, "It will be for a time, times and half a time. [b] When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed."
8 I heard, but I did not understand. So I asked, "My lord, what will the outcome of all this be?"
9 He replied, "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
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"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father
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Thunderz7
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It's not strange for becausHElives and barrykind to be in agreement,
It's is more rare but not always so when I agree with them.
But when TEXASGRANDMA agrees with both becauseHElives and barrykind,
and I agree with TEXASGRANDMA in that;
folks best KNOW the end of the age is at hand.
May the peace of YHWH be with you three,
my brothers and sister
T7
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TEXASGRANDMA
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becauseHelives,
No don't go and fall off your chair, this morning ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
but I agree with you. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
We are truly living in the end of the age.
God bless and keep you.
betty
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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barrykind
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Amen Brother ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
love barry
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The HEART of the issue is truly the issue of the HEART!
John 3:3;Mark 8:34-38;James 1:27
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becauseHElives
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TWO CHARACTERISTICS OF THE END OF THE AGE FROM THE APOSTLE PAUL
1. GODLESSNESS IN THE LAST DAYS
II Timothy 3:1-5,7 "But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of god; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
For anyone who has watched television, read a newspaper, lost a retirement to corporate greed and corruption, or just walked outside their front door, it is obvious this prophecy has been fulfilled by our generation. Our leaders are often corrupt; our cities are filled with crime, brutality, and neon signs proclaiming our sinful, godless nature. The New Age Movement brings in increasing numbers of mystics who claim to be the enlightened ones. They are some of the most educated and influential people in our societies, and yet the most lacking in real truth.
2. APOSTASY (FALLING AWAY FROM THE FAITH)
I Timothy 4:1-3 "But the spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons. By means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth."
Churches today are becoming more and more ecumenical, embracing the New Age interfaith agenda, and denying Christ as the only way to salvation. Giving in to the politically correct media and a corrupt society, they have embrace homosexuality as an acceptable alternate lifestyle and preach tolerance and compromise in place of God's truth for the salvation of the world. The environmentalist movement within the New Age movement lures them into a worship of mother earth, belief in past lives, reincarnation, and Karma while demonizing all those who would eat the meat God gave us as nourishment for our bodies.
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Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )
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