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Admittedly, as Paul declares, he preaches nothing other than that which Moses and the prophets said should come in Acts26, this pertains then, specifically to all letters written during Acts, Corinthians being two of them, Romans the last.
Lets try to get a handle on the time frames referrenced in the Acts:
A.D.
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8:5-40 Martyrdom of Stephen, and beginnings of the DIASPORA Ministry. Phillip's Mission in Samaria and results.
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Pilate dismissed, Caiphas deposed. 9:32-10:48 PETER's MISSION throughout the land of Israel begins.
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Tiberius d. CALIGULA 9:1-19
Gal. 1:17 PAUL's "Conversion". Goes to Arabia (Sinai? 40 days?). Returns to Damascus. Gal. 1:17. Paul escapes from Damascus Acts 9:25, 2Cor. 11:33.
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11:1-18 [Peter and Cornelius, ending with Peter's arraignment at Jerusalem, and result.]
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Paul Goes to Tarsus (?) and thence in the following year "up to Jerusalem".
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Gal. 1:18 Paul's FIRST visit to Jerusalem "to see Peter". Afterwards "sent" to Tarsus. Mission in Syria and Cilicia. {The trance in the Temple and Commission to the Gentiles} Acts 22:17.
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CLAUDIUS HEROD AGRIPPA, King of Judaea Gal. 1:21
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11:22, 25 Barnabas "sent" from JERUSALEM to ANTIOCH, goes to Tarsus "to seek Saul" and brings him to Antioch- where they stay for "a whole year". as occurring in the days of Claudius. (Paul's CATCHING UP/SPEAKS OF JOHN TOO, 2Cor. 12:1-4)(?)
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FADUS, Proc. Herod Agr. d. 12:23 Paul's SECOND visit to Jerusalem. With Barnabas. Return to Antioch. Mission of the Holy Ghost. B
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(The famine mentioned in) 11:26, 28, 30 {Paul's Ministry among the Diaspora apart from Jerusalem and the Twelve begins from ANTIOCH to CYPRUS. Perga in Pamphylia. Antioch in Pisidia, Iconium, Lystra, Derbe and thence back to Antioch. "And there they abode long time with the disciples" (14:28).
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TIBERIUS ALEXANDER, Pro. 12:24-13:3 EPISTLES OF JAMES to the Diaspora. "Relief Commission" from Antioch. Paul and Barnabas "separated" and "sent". Epistle of Jude (?) (Diaspora)
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HEROD AGRIPPA II (Acts 25 and 26)
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CUMANUS. Proc.
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Gal. 2:1 Paul's THIRD visit to Jerusalem, for "the Council", with Barnabas and Titus: Ministry in association with Jerusalem and the Twelve.
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FELIX. Proc. From ANTIOCH to Cilicia, Lycaonia, Galatia. Philippi, Thessalonica. Berea. Athens and CORINTH (for 18 months. 18:11) writes "Sailed thence into Syria" (Spring 54), Ephesus (1st visit), Caesarea "After some time there " (18:23) visits Galatia, Phrygia, and EPHESUS (2nd visit). There stays fro two years (19:10). (Public proclaiming of the kingdom ends 19:20).
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Herod Agrippa II made Tetarch of Trachonitis 15:41-18:22 THE EPISTLES
1Thessalonians,
2Thessalonians,
and Hebrews
(see p. 1823 of the Companion Bible).
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Claudius d. NERO
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18:23-20:1
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20:1, 2 JOHANNINE EPISTLES about this time (?) At Ephasus Paul (in the Spring 57) writes 1Corinthians. (Spring). After the departure from Ephesus, goes to Macedonia and writes 2Corinthians. (Autumn). Galatians (Winter), Romans, from Corinth (Spring).
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21:15 Paul leaves Greece, Philippi, Miletus, Caesarea, and goes to Jerusalem (Pentecost). FIFTH visit.
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24:27 Paul sent to Rome by Festus (about August). Shipwrecked at Malta (Winter).
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PORCIUS FESTUS 27:1. 2
27:27-44 Arrives at ROME (Spring). 1Peter/2Peter (?) (see p. 1855 of the Companion Bible)
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28:16 Paul's FIRST IMPRISONMENT at Rome (AD 61-63.
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ALBINUS (Festus d.) 28:30 Two years during which are written Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, Philemon.
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Philipp. 2:24
Philemon 22 After his acquittal Paul goes to Macedonia (?). Acts published (?).
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FIRE at Rome, and Persecution ending 4 years later with Nero's death
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FLORUS. JEWISH WAR begun (Joseph J.W., Bk. II. ch. 14.)
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1Tim. 1:3 From Macedonia(?) or Troas (?) Paul writes 1Timothy
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Nero d. GALBA OTHO VITELLIUS From Corinth (?) Paul writes Titus.
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VESPASIAN (*1) In Prison at Rome Paul writes 2Timothy
(*1) Jerusalem taken by Vespasian and Titus late in the year A.D. 69.
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1 Corinthians 15:3
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures.
1 Corinthians 15:4
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.
Even as late as Corinth, Paul was preaching to the Corinthians "according to the scriptures", and at that time the only scriptures were still the OT, so there can have been nothing new since Paul preached from the OT, other than that, dispensationally, the subject hidden in the OT was now being "fleshed out" by the Holy Spirit through Paul.
As far as Christianity taking a long time to get a foothold, after 1,500 years of Mosaic Law, supplemented by decades of "man-made traditions", it was astonishing and extremely hard for Jews to believe that suddenly the Gentiles were "part of the favored group through faith in Jesus Christ" and many just were not able to make the transition. It's not surprising to me therefore that it took so long for Christianity to get a foothold.
God bless, BORN AGAIN ![[Cross]](graemlins/cross.gif)
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I want to mention that Paul was writing Eph, Col, et. al., from Rome chained to a soldier, Ephesians being a circular letter. Asia would be about the furthest from Rome Paul had preached, and in Rome, only Luke and Timithoy was with him as fellow believers. So from the farthest reaches of Asia to where he sat, the Ephesian epistle announcing the church is rejected. Paul only preached at the synagogues, never going to any place without one.
And where Paul was writing from, they were not believers:
And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not. Act 28:24
The church of the prison ministry was just never preached much, and still takes a back seat to a former dispensation.
As evidenced by all the divisions in the many churches, where the focus is on one thing or another, while overlooking the fact that Israel did not receive her kingdom, and Israel and all connected to her is set aside till...while now the unity of the one body of the present dispensation is preached, warning every man...
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You might be missing the point Born Again, no offense meant. On the ancient maps Asia isn't china, it is north of Judea and to the left a little bit, towards Rome. What we are reading here is that the all in Asia would be the sum total of Paul's missionary journeys, Paul never made it to what we would call Asia, never went to spain, africa, India, germany, ussr, america, &c.
That the Lord forbid Paul to go into Asia once was because Paul was to go somewhere else first, thats all, nothing more. And at the beginnnig of the Acts shows that no gentiles were preached to at all till A.D.46 when Paul take them the word to provoke Israel thereby. They had no hope of their own as does the church body of the prison ministry.
Paul being the only one who ever preached to non Jews, if they didn't hear Paul between the years of 46-62 A.D., in those three treks, then they didn't get preached to at all.
Remember, that the Jews followed Paul around placing him in prison several times, stoned him, vowed to kill him, and Christians were under heavy persecution. Christianity was not finding it's foothold by any means. If that had been the case, Israel would not have failed to receive her kingdom. That was the one object, that all Israel hear and receive the kingdom. It just didn't take hold.
The city destroyed, the remnant dispersed.
Then we have a hundred years of blank. Only then does Christianity find it's root.
Between the ruling at Acts 28:28 and the destruction of Jerusalem, Paul becomes a prison of the Lord Jesus Christ for the hope of gentiles, at which time the secret was revealed by the Lord, and Paul instructs us all about the church which is being worked out at the time present. This secret has to do with a membership called "'the church'which is His body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all".
Those to whom Paul had previously ministered to all turned away. It is a very very big deal. It was Israel's kingdom, but they didn't use those gentiles for taking their kingdom out to the world, they couldn't do it without receiving the prince of peace, so cannot be peace in the kingdom preached for during the Acts.
People are still being taught that mixing the church called His body, and having the superheavenly citizenship and the kingdom church graphed into Israel with their earthly citezinship as if that is what God has done.
But we find instruction in 'holding fast the form of sound words' and 'rightly dividing the word of truth'.
So the Hebrew tribes were subjected to their own blindness, the gentiles graphed into the tree called Israel also turned away from the mystery body, concluded with Israel at her table. But they were overcomers in that dispensation, for God had used them to provoke Israel to make her descision. They were belivers in the kingdom gospel of Christ.
Only afterwards is the church body created, of the twain (Jew and Gentile) one, so making Peace in Christ. The kingdom hope and those assemblies (churches)where Israel had preiminence are not the same as the church where Christ is Head.
Both their Jewery and their grafts were retained, but they are overcomers in the kingdom of God on earth.
The church body are overcomers in the kingdom of His Dear Son in the heavenlies.
Not the same.
People still don't teach or study the prison ministry. A ministry which is complete without reading any of God's other childrens letters by the way, but we are privlaged to read them, but they are different ministries with different blessings in different spheres of the creation as it has pleased Him.
Note that Galatian is in Asia, Paul wanted to go straight down into it, but the Lord had him take the long route, covering the whole of Asia when he had finished that portion of his coarse.
The Lord was speaking and walking through Paul. Thus we find the walk of the beliver as member of the one body.
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dear brother epouraniois, you write quote:
Paul said all in Asia, and these ALL were converted believers, saved and overcomers, adopted into the family of God, having their inheritance in the earth or New Jerusalem which is above, absolutely assured of their salvation, believers, yet, all in Asia turned away from the very beginning of the church body ministry given by the Lord, speaking through Paul the prisoner.
{bold by BORN AGAIN}
Regarding the bolded part, if I am not geographically mistaken about this, in the days of Paul there was a province called Asia and it was on the northwest side of the Asian penininsula.
So when Paul aid, "all Asia has turned away", was referring to the Jews in that little province.
For instance, in those days there was Phrygia and Iconia and Bithynia and Asia I believe in the west of the Asian peninsula.
All the following bold names were provinces in what is now Turkey:
Acts 2:9
Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
Acts 6:9
Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen.
Acts 16:6
Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia.
PLEASE NOTE: in the above verse 6, it says they were forbidden to preach in Asia, meaning in the province of Asia in west Turkey.
But epouraniois, it seems as if you are using Asia as if it is all of Turkey, and instead it was just a the west side of Asia (of Turkey).
2 Timothy 1:15
This you know, that all they who are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.
So? Big deal, there were believers in Pontus and in Phrygia and in Galatia and in Bythinia and in Cilicia, and also, I might add, in Asia:
1 Corinthians 16:19
The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.
epouraniois writes quote:
Paul said all in Asia, and these ALL were converted believers, saved and overcomers, adopted into the family of God, having their inheritance in the earth or New Jerusalem which is above, absolutely assured of their salvation, believers, yet, all in Asia turned away from the very beginning of the church body ministry given by the Lord, speaking through Paul the prisoner.
If ALL in Asia did, brother, that still only meant in the province of Asia in northwest Turkey.
God bless, BORN AGAIN
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I would also point out that upon the creation of the church body of the mystery, God is no longer the God of Israel, she having been judicially suspended in the present time, calling Israel "Lo-ammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God."
I don't think this hyper-division between Israel and the Gentiles is correct. There were many in Israel who believed and were saved into the church.
Paul said all in Asia, and these ALL were converted believers, saved and overcomers, adopted into the family of God, having their inheritance in the earth or New Jerusalem which is above, absolutely assured of their salvation, believers, yet, all in Asia turned away from the very beginning of the church body ministry given by the Lord, speaking through Paul the prisoner. Israel, nor the gentiles were ever preached to regarding the church. It was a secret until God revealed it to Paul in the apostles prison ministry.
I didn't not make the division, it is given, I acknoweldge it.
Romans = last of the Acts period ministry. Read chapter one to see who it is addressed to. Acts is the historical record of that period which contain that record of the kingdom offer to Israel, provoked using some gentiles, Paul in chains, or bonds, for the hope of Israel. There was no inheritance into the mystery body during taht period. It was not announced until Acts28.26, where Israel herself announces the divorce, the word is 'departed', but it is not the physical 'departed' of verse 29.
Israel divorced, then Paul quotes Isaiah the thrird time. The jugdment? Kingdom hopr of Israel judiciously suspended, for the hopes and callings are without repentance, without change of mind.
Acts 28.28, just before they depart physically in v.29, the Salvation is then sent, BE IT KNOWN THEREFORE UNTO YOU, THE SALVATION OF GOD IS SENT TO THE GENTILES, AND THEY WILL HEAR IT. After that, the apostle wrote seven more epistles. In these the secret church, who was chosen before any other calling, even before the foundation of the world, was made known. It was made known that it was time for God to unite both things in heaven and things in earth.
This church is the fulness of Him. The membership is connecting with full unity to the head, were both necessary to compete, or fill full, the heavenly family. This church is not on the earth. The gentiles enjoined to Israel by reason of Israel having the covenants and the promises are made partakers of Israel's spiritual things in resurrection. There hope is not in the superheavenlies, their hope is with Israel, as per their adopted position, and their calling. They could see the hope of their calling, it was to be one body with Israel in her hope.
Upon study, it will be found that the one body of Ephesians is a NEW CREATION, Paul is not longer in bonds for the hope of Israel now, he has been sent to the nations where he is the prisoner, not of the Romans, but 'the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles', and here, the middle wall of partition which stood during the ACts has been broken down. Ephesians being but the first epistle preaching the mystery body.
During Acts, they assembled, which is the meaning of the word church. But there were many churches, or, many assemblies. In the one body, there is only one church, called, 'the church'. The word church is never in the plural, for this church body is His body, and is connected to the Head which is Christ, and this body is practiced Unity and Oneness.
The churches during Acts were in no wise equal or one, they had the middle wall of partition dividing them, where neither Peter nor Paul could bring any gentile beyond that partition, death would soon follow any non Jew who crossed that line in the outermost court of the temple proper.
In His body, Israel has no dominate position, whereas before, during the Acts, the gentiles were dispensationally disadvantaged, being that the whole purpose of the Acts was to re-offer Israel the promised kingdom, He was the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, the God of Jacob.
But now, in His body, there is no difference, and the God of Israel is never mentioned once.
Why do you think that is?
Search and see.
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brother epouraniois writes quote:
I would also point out that upon the creation of the church body of the mystery, God is no longer the God of Israel, she having been judicially suspended in the present time, calling Israel "Lo-ammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God."
I don't think this hyper-division between Israel and the Gentiles is correct. There were many in Israel who believed and were saved into the church.
Now, what I call Old National Israel which had the administration of the kingdom of God since Abraham but Israel lost the administration of the kingdom of God to the Son, to the Lord Yahshua-Jesus whom the builders rejected but who now became the cornerstone" of the Israel of God, which is currently composed of Israelite believers and grafted-in Gentiles.
The house of Israel and the house of Judah are Lo-ammi and lo-ruhamah?? among the nations where they still are today, until the God of Israel opens up their graves and then they will be just like the church Israel of God, having their sins forgiven by the Deliver in Zion:
Psalm 14:7
Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD brings back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.
Romans 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.
Ezekiel 36
19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.
20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land.
21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went.
22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
This item 26 and item 27, that is exactly what we the church now have, is it not?
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
God Elohim of Israel bless us all, BORN AGAIN
"He believes His children shall not be forsaken" "it was a hard job He asked of them, and He knows that and wants to reward Israel for what it did for Him".
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There is a reason I never, or at least I try to never state the Lord Christ Jesus' name without title. I believe it to be irreverent and following after the practice of demons and unbelievers to call the great God and our Saviour by His first name without title.
Amen to that. Totally cool. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Sister Yahsway!!!!! This should have been a position paper. I have never seen it laid out so clearly an yet briefly! I think I am going to keep it! Amen!and Amen! quote:
Well actually, if you prefer to use titles with His name (because Christ is not His last name, it meaning annointed One) It should be said Jesus The Christ.
And the phrase Lo- Ammi spoken of in Isaiah is not referring to Judah/Israel(the Jews) but to Ephraim/Israel.
That is why Paul refers to Hoseas words in Romans 9:24-26 and tells the Nations/Ephriam that it will no longer be said in that place where I divorced you that you are not my people but are now the sons of the living God.
Judah was disperesed. Ephraim was scattered. Scattered seed to the 4 cornors of the face of the earth. Becoming Lo-Ammi, they even considered Gods Laws as mentioned in Hosea "a strange thing". They for all outward purposes became the melo goyim (the fullness of the Gentiles) Judah never considered Gods laws a "strange thing", even though God had to also deal with them in their dispersion to Babylon, he did not divorce them as He did Ephraim.
But Paul now speaks of the mystery, that Judah(Jews) are blinded in part until the fullness of the gentiles (which was promised to Ephriam) has come in.
Judah(the Jews) have a zeal and sincere devotion to God, even a passion for Him. But their zeal is not according to a correct knowledge or insight into that which the Lord wants to do in the earth.
They did not recognize God's way of justifying His people by faith. They rather established their own standard for rightousness, that of keeping the letter of the law. Because of this, the developed an attitude that hinders them from accepting Gods standards for rightousness that comes first by faith.
Messiah is the full expression of that Law.
Jewish Israel should have understood the plan of God for Moses told them; 'I will make you envious by those who are not a nation, by those who are Lo Ammi; I will make you angry by an undiscerning people that have no understanding of the Law about which you teach...
Because of this, did God reject His Jewish people? By no means! Did Jewish Israel stumble so as to never rise again? Not at all. Rather, because they tripped, Messiah Yeshua, who Is Salvation, is continuing His objective. He is going to those among the nations--to Lo-ammi. according to His plan, one day, those who become His people, or Ammi, will ultimately make Jewish Israel envious.
So Judahs transgression, their loss, is resulting in riches for those among the nations.
The veil will remain over the eyes of Judah/Israel until the melo goyim-the fullness of Gentiles-promised to Ephraim has come in.And it is according to this plan that ALL Israel, both Houses will be saved.
If, you are of the melo goyim, (fullness of the Nations/Gentiles) and belong to Yeshua, You are the other half of Israel, Ephriam/Israel. For there is only ONE Israel of God, the Believing Jew and the Beliving Gentile, ONE in Messiah.
Part of Israel has been blinded (Judah/Jew) while the other part of Israel(Ephraim-the fullness of the Gentiles/Nations) are coming in, and when the veil is finally lifted from Judahs eyes, then ALL ISRAEL will be saved. Shalom
Hosea speaks of the 10 northern tribes becoming Lo-Ammi, no ,longer Gods people but being swallowed up the Nations/Gentiles. For all purposes becomming as the Nations around them.
"I will call them My people, who were Lo-Ammi(not my people) And her beloved, who was not beloved." ect...
Ps to BA: I do often feel the same way about using the word God. There is a need to state of which God we speak. I find myself saying The Almighty God. This same thing is true as even of the name Jesus for some Jesus is just a man... a prophet; for others he is the Arch angel Michael... even Jesus Christ is for some a sort of alien creation and I feel the need to somehow express with certainty the one of whom I speak. I am looking forward to the New Name because of that there will be no question or confusion. For Now I like Jesus the Christ or God's Christ or Christ Jesus - the ascended and exhalted one!
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Wasn't this latter minor prophet speaking of things to come, in the same way the children were named before the flood? as of the writing, Israel was already divorced, no need to prophecy to that?
For and because,
Hos 3:4
For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim:
Hos 3:5
Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Paul proclaims the remnant because all Israel had now heard, and rejected:
Rom 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Rom 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know?
Luke records it:
Act 28:25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Isaiah the prophet unto our fathers
departed above, is the word used of divorce.
and certainly, God is not the God of Israel et all as the mystery of Israel's blindness was judiciously sealed in v.28, and certainly God is not using Israel as a blessing to all nations, as that awaits resurrection due to v.25-28 and the announcement of the mystery body which followed.
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
So I think the Lo-ammi was prophetic and then future, but now fulfilled, as they were provoked, but did not bear fruit. The Lord saying every tree that would not bear fruit would be cut down, agrees with John the Baptists prophecy as well.
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Well actually, if you prefer to use titles with His name (because Christ is not His last name, it meaning annointed One) It should be said Jesus The Christ.
And the phrase Lo- Ammi spoken of in Isaiah is not referring to Judah/Israel(the Jews) but to Ephraim/Israel.
That is why Paul refers to Hoseas words in Romans 9:24-26 and tells the Nations/Ephriam that it will no longer be said in that place where I divorced you that you are not my people but are now the sons of the living God.
Judah was disperesed. Ephraim was scattered. Scattered seed to the 4 cornors of the face of the earth. Becoming Lo-Ammi, they even considered Gods Laws as mentioned in Hosea "a strange thing". They for all outward purposes became the melo goyim (the fullness of the Gentiles) Judah never considered Gods laws a "strange thing", even though God had to also deal with them in their dispersion to Babylon, he did not divorce them as He did Ephraim.
But Paul now speaks of the mystery, that Judah(Jews) are blinded in part until the fullness of the gentiles (which was promised to Ephriam) has come in.
Judah(the Jews) have a zeal and sincere devotion to God, even a passion for Him. But their zeal is not according to a correct knowledge or insight into that which the Lord wants to do in the earth.
They did not recognize God's way of justifying His people by faith. They rather established their own standard for rightousness, that of keeping the letter of the law. Because of this, the developed an attitude that hinders them from accepting Gods standards for rightousness that comes first by faith.
Messiah is the full expression of that Law.
Jewish Israel should have understood the plan of God for Moses told them; 'I will make you envious by those who are not a nation, by those who are Lo Ammi; I will make you angry by an undiscerning people that have no understanding of the Law about which you teach...
Because of this, did God reject His Jewish people? By no means! Did Jewish Israel stumble so as to never rise again? Not at all. Rather, because they tripped, Messiah Yeshua, who Is Salvation, is continuing His objective. He is going to those among the nations--to Lo-ammi. according to His plan, one day, those who become His people, or Ammi, will ultimately make Jewish Israel envious.
So Judahs transgression, their loss, is resulting in riches for those among the nations.
The veil will remain over the eyes of Judah/Israel until the melo goyim-the fullness of Gentiles-promised to Ephraim has come in.And it is according to this plan that ALL Israel, both Houses will be saved.
If, you are of the melo goyim, (fullness of the Nations/Gentiles) and belong to Yeshua, You are the other half of Israel, Ephriam/Israel. For there is only ONE Israel of God, the Believing Jew and the Beliving Gentile, ONE in Messiah.
Part of Israel has been blinded (Judah/Jew) while the other part of Israel(Ephraim-the fullness of the Gentiles/Nations) are coming in, and when the veil is finally lifted from Judahs eyes, then ALL ISRAEL will be saved. Shalom
Hosea speaks of the 10 northern tribes becoming Lo-Ammi, no ,longer Gods people but being swallowed up the Nations/Gentiles. For all purposes becomming as the Nations around them.
"I will call them My people, who were Lo-Ammi(not my people) And her beloved, who was not beloved." ect...
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There is a reason I never, or at least I try to never state the Lord Christ Jesus' name without title. I believe it to be irreverent and following after the practice of demons and unbelievers to call the great God and our Saviour by His first name without title.
JESUS.
Iesous is the same as the Heb. Jehoshua, or the abbreviated form Joshua (cp. Heb. 4:8), and means [the] Salvation of jehovah, or Jehovah [the] Saviour.
The name "Jesus" expresses the relation of Jehovah to Him in Incarnation, by which "He humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross" (Phil. 2:8); Who, being God, did not deem His glory a thing not to be thus relinquished (see note on "robbery", Phil. 2:6). The name "Jesus" is the name associated with "the shame" which He endured in order to "save His People from their sins" (Matt. 1:21). His People therefore never addressed Him as "Jesus", but always as "Master" or "Lord". (John 13:13, 14. Luke 6:46), and so should all His people to-day; not following the example of demons (Matt. 8:29), or of His enemies, who irreverently called Him "Jesus".
JESUS CHRIST.
In the combination of these two names, the former is emphatic by its position, the second being subsidiary and explanatory. In the Gospels it means "Jesus the Messiah". In the Epistles it means Jesus Who humbled Himself but is now exalted and glorified as Christ. Care should be taken to note the various readings.
CHRIST JESUS.
This is the converse of "Jesus Christ" and denotes the now exalted One, Who once humbled Himself.
CHRIST THE LORD.
This is the Heb. Mashiah Jehovah = Jehovah's Anointed, as in 1Sam. 24:6. Occ. only in Luke 2:11; and with the Article = the Anointed of Jehovah, Luke 2:26.
I would also point out that upon the creation of the church body of the mystery, God is no longer the God of Israel, she having been judicially suspended in the present time, calling Israel "Lo-ammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God."
His now expanded and exaulted position then became "the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory".
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dear adopted brothers and sisters in Christ, there are so many gods on the earth, as brother Raj has also pointed out, and this is the reason why I am posting this Topic: "Why I say God Elohim".
Because the Devil doesn't give a rat's toot if anybody, and I mean anybody including Christians, just say, "God this" and "God that".
Even the New Age people say, "God this" and "God that" and every religion says "God this" and "God that".
I have been having trouble lately just writing "God bless us" because, hello, which God am I talking about? There must be thousands of tribal gods around on earth, and even YHWH Elohim is the tribal god of Israel.
But among all the gods, I have decided that YHWY Elohim of Israel is the True and Living God, the Creator of heaven and earth.
But sometimes I still say God for "easier typing's sake".
God Elohim is the One I mean.
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