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very interesting, and that was actually fairly easy to follow. God bless.

Those few scriptures from Ecclesiastes are sure odd, aren't they? They almost sound so, unChristian, almost as if written instead by Omar Kayyam, or somebody New Agey like that.

But there they are in our Bible:

Ecclesiastes 3
15 That which has been is now; and that which is to be has already been; and God requires that which is past.

Ecclesiates 6
10 That which has been is named already, and it is known that it is man: neither may he contend with him that is mightier than he.

what does the bolded phrase refer to? BORN AGAIN

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That which hath been God Requireth


In Rev, not only does He make “all things new”, He always follows up with, "and the former things are past away". The former things always pass away when God makes all things new. The principle set forth:

Ecc 3:15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

Ecc 6:10 That which hath been is named already, and it is known that it is man:

neither may he contend with him that is mightier than he
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Please re read that a bunch of times real quick and let the meaning be acknowledged. We are going to do some digging now

Ecc 6:11 Seeing there be many things that increase vanity, what is man the better?
Ecc 6:12 For who knoweth what is good for man in this life, all the days of his vain life which he spendeth as a shadow? for who can tell a man what shall be after him under the sun?

Digging, God's word is given on many levels, and that is how it should be understood here; On the first level, the one we all see, is that after one man, will come another, someone else will own the land...we really don't own anything, soon, time will eat it up this man’s reckoned ownership as well. But there are deeper analogies all over the place...moving forward, What is going to be in the next age, has already been. Remember the vs. a time to plant, a time to sow...&tc.? Lets just look at the opening & closing of those verses:


Ecc 3:1 To every a season, and a time to every purpose under the heavens:

In the KJV you have to look up the word 'heaven' to find out it is plural. Between 1gen1-2, The old heavens past away, and following v2, they are reconstructed, out of the same old materials. {Mat9.16}

No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.

Pay attention to this now, The Lord makes restoration following a judgment, and He not only used the old materials for the earth and the heavens, but also for our bodies. The angels that sinned, is here, compared to a "rent" in the garment, and He did not make us out of new things, but out of that which had already been, and all things were made new, and the former things are past away. This is the true meaning of being born from above {the spirit returns to God who gave it}. Judgment concerning that which had happened, namely 1/3 of God's children following after Lucifer and was lost, whereby these limited heavens designed in foreknowledge, necessarily regulating that great spiritual foes authority to this limited heaven, for he is the 'god of this world'. Soooooo, we get to the closing verse:

Ecc 3:8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

This word "peace", MUST be understood in order to glean a glimpse of the overall concept the Bible speaks. Biblically, peace carries the theme of reconciliation, the examples show a wrong having been done, a mediator and legal bond, atonement, and finally, peace; but there is more to its meaning, intimately attached, as it pushes as it were, and carries the force of continuing till the end, as striving towards a specific goal which is far beyond the realm of absence of war.

Look at v8 again. 1.love; 2.hate; 3.war; 4.peace. the number 4 is denotes God working with His creation, specifically the one where man "walks under the sun":

God first loved us. Satan taught them to hate, and God counts it as murder, playing dice with the word of God is how Satan traffics men as his merchandise. War, that is where we are at now, in the purpose for the ages, looking & looking to the end of our course-peace; being why Abraham didn't build a big castle in his land, he was happy to temporarily tabernacle in the flesh, the way God stoops down (condesends) to tabernacle in the lower heavens with us. Every thing took one giant step down, and were reconstructed in Gen 1 1-2, the cause detailed in Jer 4:20++, add Prov 8 to that as well to learn something of Christ, eventually coming to take on the form of a servant {Phi 2:6-8}, being the lowest manifestation of God. Moving forward here; continuing where we left off above:

Ecc 3:15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

Ecc 3:16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.

Satan had contaminated all. The very heavens are unclean before the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ. And so Satan was sentenced to perish utterly. Judgment was already placed, only Satan being named, but there are many angels who came not by blood and water and spirit (spiritual water=one thing not two), but left their first estate, their habitation, which is the same word used for our resurrected bodies. this theme is like a thread sown throughout the Bible. The heavens and earth made tohu va bohu.

Ecc 3:17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

Ecc 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

And that is why we are here. God doesn’t put a new cloth on an old garment. The spirit of our lives are learning, and when He appears, we shall see everything for what it, and we are, and we shall see Him as He is, for we shall be like Him. When?

The whole period covered by "the day of the Lord" is called the final meeting of the ages, or the (...) (sunteleia); but, the crisis in which it culminates is called the (...) (telos), the end of the age.

Within these words come the word peace. The sunelieia meets the telos.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

So He stepped out of His free sphere & humbled Himself with creation, & He also keeps it going. The Image of God the Christ, the only part of God we will ever see. In the old creation, He is the first-born, and in this position He is the first-born from the dead. So that He may have the preeminence. The beginning, principalities, first fruit. These are all the same words. V 16 “by” Him & “in” Him, v17 “thru” Him, for “by” is not the same word as in v 16. So all things are by, in, and thru Him.

Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

From the body, flesh is one, visible & invisible. In Him, by Him, now we have it is for Him,v16. In Hebrews 1 the creator is the Son of God, ch2 He is made lower than the angels, but went further thru death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil. In John 1 Life belongs to God only. Even satan is dependent upon Him to hold the creation in its orbits. So He emptied Himself and the Word was made flesh; He stoops down and tabernacles among us, and we beheld His Glory. 3 times He says this: 1:14, 11:40, 17:24 So, when God makes something new it is different than when we do it. When God does it He always adds, “and the former things are passed away”.

So in creation something went wrong that cannot go wrong thru this great redemptive outworking of God. In Genesis 1 we already look towards a new beginning. He made it this way so He could set it aside.

There are important symbols in His Word.

Mat 9:16 No man putted a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up teeth from the garment, and the rent is made worse.
Mat 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine rennet out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

So Christ knew what He had to do when the rent, or the rebellion occurred. He had to make all things new. He had to make a patch as it were. And we will only touch the words used in the opening verses of Genesis as we have done here, to look deeper and gain a glimpse of the plan of God. In the upcoming additions we will see how the Heavens are spread out like a tabernacle, resting upon those sockets which hold the foundation of this limited universe, stretched out like a tabernacle; where He placed the arc of the covenant, took it up, rent the veil; where all could approach His throne, looking forward as He is, to the appointed time where the fullness of all things will place in Him the all in all.

2 Peter 3:
5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: [That's one] 7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. [That's two]

8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. [That's three]

Nice of Peter to put it all in one place for an additional witness for us wasn't it.

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