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You did not answer my other questions about the USS Cole, and other terrorist activities that have occurred over the past 25 years.
And why to you spell Amercian with a "k"
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oops I meant to write: Pres Bush DOES NOT MAKE PEOPLE DISAPPEAR OF THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH HIM.
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I am certain many of you are aware that the first siezure by the U.S.A. during WWII was for war crimes involving giving aid to the enemy was one Prescott Bush, grandfather of the current president of the U.S.A...
And this is relevant? how?
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Scott Horton wrote in the LA Times:
Consider the memorandum written by Alberto Gonzales – then the president’s attorney, now his nominee for attorney general. He wrote that the Geneva Convention was “obsolete” when it came to the war on terror. Gonzales reasoned that our adversaries were not parties to the convention and that the Geneva concept was ill suited to anti-terrorist warfare.
In 1941, General-Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel, the head of Hitler’s Wehrmacht, mustered identical arguments against recognizing the Geneva rights of Soviet soldiers fighting on the Eastern Front. Keitel even called Geneva “obsolete,” a remark noted by U.S. prosecutors at Nuremberg, who cited it as an aggravating circumstance in seeking, and obtaining, the death penalty. Keitel was executed in 1946.
Hitler was installed, then re-elected. Bush was installed, then re-elected. Hitler had Reichstag, Bush had 9/11. (I am not implying government collusion in 9/11, FYI) Both used their respective catastrophes to assume more power (Hitler with the Enabling Act, Bush with the USA PATRIOT Act), and to assume dictatorial powers.
Hitler used Christianity to give his words absolute authority and decried any who dissented as unpatriotic. Bush uses Christianity to give his words absolute authority and decries any who dissent as unpatriotic.
Hitler said:
“The German people are not a warlike nation. It is a soldierly one, which means it does not want a war, but does not fear it. It loves peace but also loves its honor and freedom”
Bush said:
We’re pursuing a strategy of freedom around the world, because I understand free nations will reject terror. Free nations will answer the hopes and aspirations of their people. Free nations will help us achieve the peace we all want.
1.The Geneva Convention rules are NOT the Ten Commandments.
2.They are a previously agreed upon set of rules on how to humanely treat prisoners of war.
3.While they are very laudable and good rules, they were written when the world's peoples were in a very different mind set about honor and integrity.
4.Islam, our enemy, does not fit into the Geneva Convention guidelines as they do not fight under any one or more country's flag.
If we treat terrorists under the Geneva Convention Rules we will lose, just as the British lost to colonial America.
The British fought in regimines and marched on the battlefield like toy soldiers in the open. The Amercians hid behind trees and rocks and sniped them. Colonial Amercians did not fight by Britian's rules.
Neither do the Islamic terrorists fight by Geneva Convention rules. They don't even acknowledge the Geneva Convention. If the Geneva Convention is to be relevant then both sides must agree to it. If we follow it and the other side does not, we will be like the British during the American Revolutionary War, sitting ducks for snipers.
The dfference between Islamic terrorists and the Colonial Americans is that Islam is NOT fighting for freedom of their peoples. They want everyone to be under Islamic law and this in NoT freedom.
They wish to keep women oppressed and under the veil. They wish to have world dominion, not freedom for their own countries.
President Bush does make people disappear of those who are against him and his policies.
If his crime is testifying of his Christian beliefs then he is guilty.
No one is afraid of President Bush. The media pounds on him all day long. It's called freedom of speech.
Comparing Pres Bush to Hitler is so ridiculous as to be laughable.
What other country would allow a woman crazy with grief over her son's death to camp outside the leader's home for weeks and then this same woman is embraced by Socialists and is now trying to get Pres Bush impreached.
I'm sorry, but as a private citizen if some person was camped outside my house for weeks saying all kinds of bad things about me, I would have got a restraining order and taken her/him to court for invasion of my privacy and harrassment.
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I am asking how you explain that steel could possibly melt from kerosine, which is aviation fuel, having, in a pure oxygen environment,
Metal Melting Point (Deg F)
mild steel 2730
wrought iron 2700-2900
stainless steel 2600
The fact is, that kerosene will barely burn a wick that is dipped in it.
May I suggest you build a mini building, out of nails, or even matches, and pour kerosene on it, all over it, a lot of it, for a couple of hours, and see if the small nail house burst into dust from the top down, or if the matchstich house does. Surely, when airplanes crash into houses, which are not made of steel, they do not disenegrate into sub micron dust. Do they?
Assuming that the entire quantity of jet fuel from the aircraft was injected into just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with the perfect efficency, that no hot gases left this floor and that no heat escaped this floor by conduction.
The second plane did not hit the tower directly, like the first one, but at the edge, causing the fuel to evaporate in a huge fireball outside of the WTC, yet it collapsed first.
I don't think that airplane fuel could even melt a nail in a day, little loan in an hour.
Try it and see.
As is readily appearent, in one of the towers, all fire was all but out, not to mention it never spread across even one entire floor, yet, seven floors below ground, the molten steel burned continuously for 6 weeks, WITH CONSTANT WATER DRENCHING THE COMPLEX.
Please do the research before making such statements, ... [/QUOTE]
I had watched a science program about the 9-11 attack on the WTC and the Pentagon. It was the structure of the WTC that caused it to collapse after the planes hit. These skyscrapers were not constructed the same way the Empire State Building had been constructed.
The towers were made to withstand wind and be flexible in the wind and withstand horizontal force.
The steel beams were encased in a tubular structure and when the planes hit and the jet fuel burned the tubular nature of the vertical supports allowed the heat from the fire to travel like in a chimney and it was the floors that collaped above the plane strike area that caused that weight on the heat weakened steel to collape the building like an implosion.
No one ever said that the steel was melted.
here's my research:http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml
It addresses your assertions about controlled demolition at the end.
The vertical supports were tubular. That is like the elevator shafts and when a fire occurs it will travel up and down the entire length easily/
It was the design of the twin towers that allowed them to collape straight down after the impact of the plane and fire.
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I am certain many of you are aware that the first siezure by the U.S.A. during WWII was for war crimes involving giving aid to the enemy was one Prescott Bush, grandfather of the current president of the U.S.A...
Scott Horton wrote in the LA Times:
Consider the memorandum written by Alberto Gonzales – then the president’s attorney, now his nominee for attorney general. He wrote that the Geneva Convention was “obsolete” when it came to the war on terror. Gonzales reasoned that our adversaries were not parties to the convention and that the Geneva concept was ill suited to anti-terrorist warfare.
In 1941, General-Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel, the head of Hitler’s Wehrmacht, mustered identical arguments against recognizing the Geneva rights of Soviet soldiers fighting on the Eastern Front. Keitel even called Geneva “obsolete,” a remark noted by U.S. prosecutors at Nuremberg, who cited it as an aggravating circumstance in seeking, and obtaining, the death penalty. Keitel was executed in 1946.
Hitler was installed, then re-elected. Bush was installed, then re-elected. Hitler had Reichstag, Bush had 9/11. (I am not implying government collusion in 9/11, FYI) Both used their respective catastrophes to assume more power (Hitler with the Enabling Act, Bush with the USA PATRIOT Act), and to assume dictatorial powers.
Hitler used Christianity to give his words absolute authority and decried any who dissented as unpatriotic. Bush uses Christianity to give his words absolute authority and decries any who dissent as unpatriotic.
Hitler said:
“The German people are not a warlike nation. It is a soldierly one, which means it does not want a war, but does not fear it. It loves peace but also loves its honor and freedom”
Bush said:
We’re pursuing a strategy of freedom around the world, because I understand free nations will reject terror. Free nations will answer the hopes and aspirations of their people. Free nations will help us achieve the peace we all want.
"How...could the good, intelligent people of Germany follow and support someone such as Hitler? For years I struggled to find the answer to that puzzle. Now, I believe I understand".
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/170605thelessons.htm
This should be absorbed by all, measuring just how far advanced the fatal and ever reaching program now is:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/com-man.html
An interesting link, Master LIst Of Dead
Scientists & Microbiologists (SUICIDED)
http://www.rense.com/general62/sci.htm
what is this???
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=%20SC20060206&articleId=1897
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It doesn't matter who they vote for, they always for for us. That is why they are counted in secret, see the Rand Corporation for some old training files on dividing and frustrating populations, the aim being distraction ....
This I believe whole heartedly. Divide and conquer. It's working like a charm in the U.S.
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There is facism being acted out in America, but it is not seen in the acts of President Bush in going to war with Iraq.
how do explain that the iron in the fireplace, which is less strong than steel - even using bottled fuel, burning much longer than an hour or so, does not desentagrate and collapse into sub micron powder as did the towers, not to mention that none of the alleged terrorists were listed on the manifest of the airline passengers, and then there is certainly the facts that freedom does not come from taking away ones rights, which, according to our constitution, are God given to every...
Then there is the writing of the day before, wherein he writes that we (regarding his establishment) have attained to their new Pearl Harbor...
Did you know that those in office are the ones who own the companies who built the voting machines?
Of course you do. I don't think you are ignorant at all, so what then, could be the purpose contained within the words of your posts? Hmmm.
The only thing I'm understanding from this brief post is that you seem to believe that the Bush administration caused the 9-11 diaster.
Did Bush cause the explosion on the USS Cole?
Did Bush cause the first explosion at the World Trade Center in 1993?
Did Bush cause the Iranians to hold over 100 Americans hostage in 1979-1980?
Did Bush cause Saddam Hussain to thumb his nose at the UN Resolution about the no fly zone which was inacted after the first Gulf War?
Look at how the Muslims are reacting to a cartoon in Europe. They can't even see the truth of their own actions of being terrorists for Allah.
I don't know what propaganda you are reading about 9-11, but the towers collapsed due to the jet fuel and how the towers were built actually caused the collaspe.
I am asking how you explain that steel could possibly melt from kerosine, which is aviation fuel, having, in a pure oxygen environment,
Metal Melting Point (Deg F)
mild steel 2730
wrought iron 2700-2900
stainless steel 2600
The fact is, that kerosene will barely burn a wick that is dipped in it.
May I suggest you build a mini building, out of nails, or even matches, and pour kerosene on it, all over it, a lot of it, for a couple of hours, and see if the small nail house burst into dust from the top down, or if the matchstich house does. Surely, when airplanes crash into houses, which are not made of steel, they do not disenegrate into sub micron dust. Do they?
Do you know what the color of napalm is when it burns? Do you know that the same color, which is not the color of burning kerosine, is found in all the pictures of the towers. Do I know who did it? I don't believe I ever said that I did, did I?
Note that a gallon of jet fuel weighs about 3.1 kilograms, hence 10,000 gallons weighs 10,000 x 3.1 = 31,000 kgs.
Jet fuel is a colorless, combustible, straight run petroleum distillate liquid. Its principal uses are as an ingredient in lamp oils, charcoal starter fluids, jet engine fuels and insecticides.
It is also know as, fuel oil #1, kerosene, range oil, coal oil and aviation fuel.
It is comprised of hydrocarbons with a carbon range of C9 - C17. The hydrocarbons are mainly alkanes CnH2n+2, with n ranging from 9 to 17.
It has a flash point within the range 42° C - 72° C (110° F - 162° F).
And an ignition temperature of 210° C (410° F).
Depending on the supply of oxygen, jet fuel burns by one of three chemical reactions:
(1) CnH2n+2 + (3n+1)/2 O2 => n CO2 + (n + 1) H2O
(2) CnH2n+2 + (2n+1)/2 O2 => n CO + (n + 1) H2O
(3) CnH2n+2 + (n+1)/2 O2 => n C + (n + 1) H2O
Moving forward, the amount of energy needed to raise one floor to the temperature T° C is
= (39,857 x 1,690 + 97,429 x 845 + 349,680 x 1,038 + 500,000 x 450 + 1,400,000 x 3,300) x (T - 25)
= (67,358,300 + 82,327,500 + 362,968,000 + 225,000,000 + 4,620,000,000) x (T - 25) Joules
= 5,357,650,000 x (T - 25) Joules.
Since the amount of energy available to heat this floor is 1,364,000,000,000 Joules, we have that
5,357,650,000 x (T - 25) = 1,364,000,000,000
5,357,650,000 x T - 133,941,000,000 = 1,364,000,000,000
Therefore T = (1,364,000,000,000 + 133,941,000,000)/5,357,650,000 = 280° C (536° F).
So, if we assume a typical office fire at the WTC, then the jet fuel could have only added 280 - 25 = 255° C (at the very most) to the temperature of the fire.
Assuming that the entire quantity of jet fuel from the aircraft was injected into just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with the perfect efficency, that no hot gases left this floor and that no heat escaped this floor by conduction.
It is impossible the jet fuel, by itself, raised the temperature of this floor beyond 280° C (536° F).
Now this temperature is not even close to the first critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F) where steel loses about half its strength and it is nowhere near the quotes of 1500° C that we constantly read about.
Perhaps you can explain how this building straightened itself out before falling at gravity free fall speed, rather than continuing in it's tilted fall away from the center as would be normal? when no other steel buildings in the history of the world have ever collapsed, all but those three that day that is???
The following building burned for much longer, with notable fires abounding, yet it did not collapse:
The second plane did not hit the tower directly, like the first one, but at the edge, causing the fuel to evaporate in a huge fireball outside of the WTC, yet it collapsed first.
I don't think that airplane fuel could even melt a nail in a day, little loan in an hour.
Try it and see.
As is readily appearent, in one of the towers, all fire was all but out, not to mention it never spread across even one entire floor, yet, seven floors below ground, the molten steel burned continuously for 6 weeks, WITH CONSTANT WATER DRENCHING THE COMPLEX.
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As far as who owns the voting machines, your paranoia stretches the imagination.
Please do the research before making such statements, it isn't hard these days to chech things out, you will find that they were manufactured by an affiliate company of the parties involved, and as Stalin declaired, It doesn't matter who they vote for, they always for for us. That is why they are counted in secret, see the Rand Corporation for some old training files on dividing and frustrating populations, the aim being distraction, cira 1961 I believe.
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SoftTouch doesn't post the information she does out of fear, but simply to help inform. I'm guessing she wouldn't expect you to "do" anything, other than to open your eyes and pay attention. It's all part of the plan. We don't need to find a solution. God has already taken care of that.
There is nothing to fear and I can assure you that we are all well aware of that.
For those who study the end times and pay attention, it's actually kind of exciting to see these things happen before our very eyes.
I will Amen that Hardcore!
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Dear Softouch, what do you suggest we do? How do you think we can make a difference or stop these things if they are true? Do you have any solutions?
Fear is the opposite of faith.
SoftTouch doesn't post the information she does out of fear, but simply to help inform. I'm guessing she wouldn't expect you to "do" anything, other than to open your eyes and pay attention. It's all part of the plan. We don't need to find a solution. God has already taken care of that.
There is nothing to fear and I can assure you that we are all well aware of that.
For those who study the end times and pay attention, it's actually kind of exciting to see these things happen before our very eyes.
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Dear Softouch, what do you suggest we do? How do you think we can make a difference or stop these things if they are true? Do you have any solutions?
Fear is the opposite of faith.
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What can any of us do about any of this is if it is true? The evil people just want to make money off of the conspiracies with their books, movies, and websites. Terrorist might me behind the conspiracy. The American leaders past and present may have taken advantage of the American people and have a bigger agenda. I DON'T KNOW.
I can only pray and stay on my knees. Getting excited or anxious doesn't solve any problems. Trusting in God's help is the best thing I can do. I am only a person that God's wants intercession from as much as possible. He has the power and plan for all our lives. I will only trust in the Lord Jesus for my future.
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Perhaps checking out some of the info on this website might help "Illuminate" what's really going on...
http://www.infowars.com/
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Psalm 119:104Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way. 105Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
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skinner's target audience was to the initiates in their early (mind control) stage, before they realize who it is they are so strongly tied to, and in that stage, it is correct and appropriate, for they, in that stage, do believe that this country was founded on freedom, while only one president adhered to a seperate country, seperate from the money changers that is - well, there were a couple of others, but they were assasinated assasinated assasinated.
If you are referring to JFK, he was the one who stood up to the Soviet Union during the Cuban Missle Crisis. He would have gone to war to protect this country.
What missle crisis? Will someone please provide a link showing where ALL the joint chiefs of staff had signed the approval to remote control jets in order to fly them into buildings to start a war back in, what was it, 1962, so they could claim terrorist?
And that how the Hitler also went to war claiming terrorism started the Rietchstack (sp) fire, &c, &c, &c...
If you think the Bush is like Hitler, then you didn't hear the speeches given at Coretta Scott King's funeral. Jimmy Carter and another preacher blasted Bush publically for his involvement in Iraq and wiretapping.
President Bush is regularly lambasted in public by those who hate him. The press is unilaterally against him. This is free speech in America. It is still allowed. The press and others are not sent away to Siberia or Gitmo for exercising their Constitutional rights.
Hitler would never allowed that. Open your eyes.
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There is facism being acted out in America, but it is not seen in the acts of President Bush in going to war with Iraq.
how do explain that the iron in the fireplace, which is less strong than steel - even using bottled fuel, burning much longer than an hour or so, does not desentagrate and collapse into sub micron powder as did the towers, not to mention that none of the alleged terrorists were listed on the manifest of the airline passengers, and then there is certainly the facts that freedom does not come from taking away ones rights, which, according to our constitution, are God given to every...
Then there is the writing of the day before, wherein he writes that we (regarding his establishment) have attained to their new Pearl Harbor...
Did you know that those in office are the ones who own the companies who built the voting machines?
Of course you do. I don't think you are ignorant at all, so what then, could be the purpose contained within the words of your posts? Hmmm.
The only thing I'm understanding from this brief post is that you seem to believe that the Bush administration caused the 9-11 diaster.
Did Bush cause the explosion on the USS Cole?
Did Bush cause the first explosion at the World Trade Center in 1993?
Did Bush cause the Iranians to hold over 100 Americans hostage in 1979-1980?
Did Bush cause Saddam Hussain to thumb his nose at the UN Resolution about the no fly zone which was inacted after the first Gulf War?
Look at how the Muslims are reacting to a cartoon in Europe. They can't even see the truth of their own actions of being terrorists for Allah.
I don't know what propaganda you are reading about 9-11, but the towers collapsed due to the jet fuel and how the towers were built actually caused the collaspe.
As far as who owns the voting machines, your paranoia stretches the imagination.
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skinner's target audience was to the initiates in their early (mind control) stage, before they realize who it is they are so strongly tied to, and in that stage, it is correct and appropriate, for they, in that stage, do believe that this country was founded on freedom, while only one president adhered to a seperate country, seperate from the money changers that is - well, there were a couple of others, but they were assasinated assasinated assasinated.
If you are referring to JFK, he was the one who stood up to the Soviet Union during the Cuban Missle Crisis. He would have gone to war to protect this country.
What missle crisis? Will someone please provide a link showing where ALL the joint chiefs of staff had signed the approval to remote control jets in order to fly them into buildings to start a war back in, what was it, 1962, so they could claim terrorist?
And that how the Hitler also went to war claiming terrorism started the Rietchstack (sp) fire, &c, &c, &c...
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There is facism being acted out in America, but it is not seen in the acts of President Bush in going to war with Iraq.
how do explain that the iron in the fireplace, which is less strong than steel - even using bottled fuel, burning much longer than an hour or so, does not desentagrate and collapse into sub micron powder as did the towers, not to mention that none of the alleged terrorists were listed on the manifest of the airline passengers, and then there is certainly the facts that freedom does not come from taking away ones rights, which, according to our constitution, are God given to every...
Then there is the writing of the day before, wherein he writes that we (regarding his establishment) have attained to their new Pearl Harbor...
Did you know that those in office are the ones who own the companies who built the voting machines?
Of course you do. I don't think you are ignorant at all, so what then, could be the purpose contained within the words of your posts? Hmmm.
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Democrats and human rights are a huge misnomer.
I so agree.
And how about the way they "care" for the less fortunate, regardless of race. Keep them sucking off the system with even more "help" from the government. The more people they can keep on socialized programs, the more votes they get. They're not fooling anybody but their own constituents.
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Thanks for your reply Hardcore.
I want to address of those bullets in a later post as they are very interesting.
What will be interesting to see in the future; if the next presidental election we vote in a liberal democrat, will that person abolish the Patriot Act?
The liberal democrats state they are ones concerned about human rights abuses, and invasion of citizens' privacy and they are the advocates for keeping the government out of our affairs.
If Teddy Kenndy, Nancy Polosi, or Barbara Boxer, Charles Shuman or other liberals had to face having Iran launching atomic missles on their doorstep I wonder how many human rights they would do away with to prevent it?
The bullet points are interesting, aren't they? Much food for thought given today's political climate.
The next election will be very telling for so many reasons.
Don't you think it's funny that the liberals advocate keeping the government "out of our affairs", yet they love big government and are nothing more than socialists in disguise?
Kennedy, Polosi, Boxer ..... oy vey. You don't want to get me started. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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A quick history note:
It was the Democrats in the South that wanted to keep slavery. It was Republicans that freed the slaves. It was democrats that started the KKK after the Civil War during the Reconstruction.
Democrats since the Civil War have struggled with having the slaves by equal and free.
Democrat and human rights are a huge misnomer.
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Thanks for your reply Hardcore.
I want to address of those bullets in a later post as they are very interesting.
What will be interesting to see in the future; if the next presidental election we vote in a liberal democrat, will that person abolish the Patriot Act?
The liberal democrats state they are ones concerned about human rights abuses, and invasion of citizens' privacy and they are the advocates for keeping the government out of our affairs.
If Teddy Kenndy, Nancy Polosi, or Barbara Boxer, Charles Shuman or other liberals had to face having Iran launching atomic missles on their doorstep I wonder how many human rights they would do away with to prevent it?
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Patriotism, like during the American Revolution is fascism?
Please explain how?
I believe we actually hung traitors back then.
I guess freedom means one can sell out their country under freedom of speech?
During or after WW2 traitors were executed also.
Is that fascism?
I'm not advocating that you are a traitor by any means, but I think you are referring to the wire tapping and such and certain provisions in the Patriot act.
There is a divide and conquer mentality going on.
I don't watch CNN and even find Fox news slanted and biased.
I read about certain new world order controllers like on the X-files are a bunch of super rich people who are really the one who control events and all is just a smoke screen. Blah.
I'm getting past all that. It doesn't matter to me who thinks they are in control of the world.
Christ will reign in the end. Put on the mind of Christ and He will lead His sheep.
Here is what I was referring to with regard to fascism:
Link here.
Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy.
The 14 characteristics are:
- Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. - Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc. - Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. - Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. - Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy. - Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common. - Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses. - Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. - Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. - Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed . - Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts. - Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations. - Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders. - Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
I totally agree with you on the news. It's all slanted and not trustable at all. I just used CNN as an example because a lot of people I know watch it non-stop and then regurgitate the headline ticker as if they're well informed.
I wasn't referring to wire tapping or the Patriot Act in particular, but I would include them in the overall picture that I was trying to paint. There is a lot of truth in the above list and the U.S. is either already there or getting close to many of the author's 14 bullet points. Liberals love to use them while pointing directly to Bush and his administration. In some ways they're right, but what they fail to realize or acknowledge is that the current administration is hardly the frontrunner. We've been building towards this picture for a very long time.
The super rich are in charge and smokescreens abound. Maybe we're living in a cross between the X-Files and the Matrix! Truth is indeed stranger than fiction sometimes. Some find it blah, others find it most fascinating.
I think that some Christians are led to this type of information and others aren't. The body of Christ is made up of people with different callings for a reason. Quite frankly, a lot of people just can't handle this kind of stuff. It can be overwhelming, but oh so interesting; especially in light of scripture.
But you're right. Christ does reign, and as long as we follow His voice we're good to go.
P.S. I probably would be considered a traitor in some circles because I most certainly do not "tow the party line" - either one of them! ![[updown]](graemlins/updown.gif)
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Hey Sis Hardcore, Thanks for recommending "Hope of the Wicked - The Master Plan to Rule the World" by Ted Flynn earlier in this thread (which I haven't read all the way through... not sure I really wanna ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) ). I just got my copy in the mail today ![[Wink]](wink.gif) This one's gonna take a while to read - 445 pages! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Glad you got the book. Think I tried to tell you about it once before, but we got sidetracked. I gave my copy to someone ages ago and never got it back. I should invest in a new one.
A lot of it won't necessarily be new news to you, but I'd be surprised if somewhere along the way you didn't find a puzzle piece that you've been waiting on.
Maybe you should try treating it more like a reference book instead of trying to read it cover to cover all at once. Might be less intimidating?
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Patriotism, like during the American Revolution is fascism?
Please explain how?
I believe we actually hung traitors back then.
I guess freedom means one can sell out their country under freedom of speech?
During or after WW2 traitors were executed also.
Is that fascism?
I'm not advocating that you are a traitor by any means, but I think you are referring to the wire tapping and such and certain provisions in the Patriot act.
There is a divide and conquer mentality going on.
I don't watch CNN and even find Fox news slanted and biased.
I read about certain new world order controllers like on the X-files are a bunch of super rich people who are really the one who control events and all is just a smoke screen. Blah.
I'm getting past all that. It doesn't matter to me who thinks they are in control of the world.
Christ will reign in the end. Put on the mind of Christ and He will lead His sheep.
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Hey Sis Hardcore, Thanks for recommending "Hope of the Wicked - The Master Plan to Rule the World" by Ted Flynn earlier in this thread (which I haven't read all the way through... not sure I really wanna ). I just got my copy in the mail today This one's gonna take a while to read - 445 pages!
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WhiteEagle THANKYOU FOR WHAT YOU WROTE. It is easy to see your patriotism and love of America. I will add my prayers to yours for our citizens not to be deceived.
God Bless
It's interesting that you say that because I just heard on the radio (liberal talk radio) last night how overt nationalism, aka patriotism, is one of the telltale signs that facism is growing.
As I continued to listen to the host's monologue (of course both gun barrels aimed at the current White House), I couldn't help but notice that a lot of lines are really getting blurred.
On one hand, you have liberals who are completely oblivious to the fact that they're socialists. On the other hand you have conservatives who do indeed engage in and support ideas long associated with facism.
As the two continue to converge, it becomes easier to see how the U.S. will become absorbed by global government.
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The fascism is seen in those who see the people as stupid sheep. Those people are mostly Liberal Democrats and they seek to make laws to infringe on peoples freedoms as they believe the general public is too stupid to make decisions themselves.
Unfortunately there are plenty of stupid sheep on both sides of the fence. And many of the laws which infringe on our so-called freedoms have indeed been proposed and put into place by the current administration, not Democrats. Like it or not, there are plenty of "facist-esque" traits being displayed by our Republican controlled government. By and large, the public is stupid - a bunch of CNN drones.
This country is not what it seems. What people need to understand is that both political parties answer to the same group and have been heading towards the same goal, via slightly different paths, since this country began. The two-party political system that we supposedly operate under serves only to further split this country down the middle. All of the political theatrics - whether it's talk radio, Sunday morning roundtables, or newspaper editorials are nothing more than an elaborate game of smoke and mirrors -working beautifully I might add.
Ever heard of divide and conquer? That's exactly what's going on in this country - as planned. And the sheeple continue to follow.
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WhiteEagle THANKYOU FOR WHAT YOU WROTE. It is easy to see your patriotism and love of America. I will add my prayers to yours for our citizens not to be deceived.
God Bless
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"The illusion of freedom [in America] will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater."
Frank Zappa, musician and cultural iconoclast
He was a socialist spokeperson and his words have become true, as he was speaking what the Communists have been subvertly been doing to this country since the 1950's and was a flashfire in the 1960's. He was making people believe a lie, and because people believe this lie, it became a self-fullfilling prophecy for today.
It's interesting how the Communist belief system has been slowly accepted since the 1960's and now the ones who are intrenched in Karl Marx are alligned with the Islamic terrorists for the same goal of bringing down America.
Kruschev pounded his shoe on the table of the United Nations in the 1960's and vowed that the grand children of that generation would be Communists. He was right. It's happened.
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skinner's target audience was to the initiates in their early (mind control) stage, before they realize who it is they are so strongly tied to, and in that stage, it is correct and appropriate, for they, in that stage, do believe that this country was founded on freedom, while only one president adhered to a seperate country, seperate from the money changers that is - well, there were a couple of others, but they were assasinated assasinated assasinated.
If you are referring to JFK, he was the one who stood up to the Soviet Union during the Cuban Missle Crisis. He would have gone to war to protect this country.
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While I do not support the pastor, I do agree with him that this government is under the socialist agenda called fascism, and is proven by the fact that on either side of the flag, behind the podium on the senate floor, there are, hanging, two, giant, fascist symbols, called the fasci. And if anyone does not yet know what a gold border around the amerikan flag means, then do the resarch for a reality check.
Most will not be aware, and will not accept facts, but the facts are, that everything you see on tv regarding knews, is 100% pre written scripts, and the most important actor is the amerikan public. that's right folks, we are in a movie, and the script was written long ago, for just one small example, the following is submitted for your research:
In 1906, sociologist Lester Ward explained how NWO legislation could be achieved:
“It must not be supposed that such legislation can be conducted to any considerable extent in the open sessions of legislative bodies. These will doubtless need to be maintained, and every new law should be finally adopted by a vote of such bodies, but more and more this will become a merely formal way of putting the final sanction of society on decisions that have been carefully worked out in what may be called the sociological laboratory.”
I think YOU DO SUPPORT THIS PASTOR OR WHY PUT THIS ON WITHOUT A DISCLAIMER.????
Having stated my disbelief of your denial: I have another question.
Why do you spell American with a "k"?
There is facism being acted out in America, but it is not seen in the acts of President Bush in going to war with Iraq.
The fascism is seen in those who see the people as stupid sheep. Those people are mostly Liberal Democrats and they seek to make laws to infringe on peoples freedoms as they believe the general public is too stupid to make decisions themselves.
It's more covert and insidious than overt war for freedom of our country from terrorism.
It's laws that keep church silent on political issues of morality such as the IRS 501c laws.
It's laws against personal freedoms, such as wearing seat belts and other so called safety laws that Big brother Democrats feel they need to "protect" the masses from their bad personal decisions.
It's laws that steal from the rich to give to the poor by taxes so that our country is more like communism than a democracy.
It's giving up liberty for safety.
It's trading freedom based on money.
It's socialized health care that is robbing people of their dignity.
It's the lie of death with dignity by the people who seek to let the weak and dying check out early to save money.
It's the lie of choice when one can kill their unborn child for a whim. Of course that saves money.
It's teaching people to depend on the Federal government instead of personal responsibility and working for our bread that God teaches through his providence.
America was attacked on 9-11 by Islam. Islam does seek to control the world. They are the fascists, they are the controllers and the the evil empire. They are the mind controllers of millions of people of which you have succumbed under.
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skinner's target audience was to the initiates in their early (mind control) stage, before they realize who it is they are so strongly tied to, and in that stage, it is correct and appropriate, for they, in that stage, do believe that this country was founded on freedom, while only one president adhered to a seperate country, seperate from the money changers that is - well, there were a couple of others, but they were assasinated assasinated assasinated.
Got it.
Most of the people I know are still in that stage.
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skinner's target audience was to the initiates in their early (mind control) stage, before they realize who it is they are so strongly tied to, and in that stage, it is correct and appropriate, for they, in that stage, do believe that this country was founded on freedom, while only one president adhered to a seperate country, seperate from the money changers that is - well, there were a couple of others, but they were assasinated assasinated assasinated.
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epouraniois,
I agree with much of what you say. I am well educated on this subject - almost too educated at times for my own sanity.
You are right. This country is not what it seems, and many will never even begin to grasp the depths to which the global plan goes. Its tentacles are everywhere and in everything.
I'm not even sure I agree with the quote you posted by B.F. Skinner:
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"The NWO management system’s moral education has nothing to do with freedom or the principles and ideals on which our nation was founded. The late B. F. Skinner, a Harvard University psychologist,..."
I question the very "principles and ideals" that this nation was supposedly founded on.
Anyway, I just wouldn't choose a socialist, liberal theologian to make my point. He represents the very thing that you are educating/warning about. He has no credibility with this audience; or at least he shouldn't.
P.S. Have you read Ted Flynn's "Hope of the Wicked:The Master Plan to Rule the World"? You might enjoy it. He does a great job of pulling all of the puzzle pieces into one cohesive unit.
"If tyranny is to come to this nation, it will be under the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." James Madison
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Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Matthew 5:43-48
(43) "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.'
(44) "But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
(45) so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
(46) "For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
(47) "If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
(48) "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
What is to be our BIBLICAL response to false religions, to our eneimies, to those who hate us and want to kill us?
Matthew 10:28
(28) "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Is the war RIGHT?
ONLY and ONLY if Yahweh Elohim directed President Bush to conduct it.
But can a man who claims to be a Christian, yet proclaims that muslims and Christians and hindus ALL worship the same God, that celebrates Muslim holy days, that raises money to build buddist temples and idols
TRUELY discern the voice and leading of The Holy Spirit??????
I doubt it.
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While I do not support the pastor, I do agree with him that this government is under the socialist agenda called fascism, and is proven by the fact that on either side of the flag, behind the podium on the senate floor, there are, hanging, two, giant, fascist symbols, called the fasci. And if anyone does not yet know what a gold border around the amerikan flag means, then do the resarch for a reality check.
Most will not be aware, and will not accept facts, but the facts are, that everything you see on tv regarding knews, is 100% pre written scripts, and the most important actor is the amerikan public. that's right folks, we are in a movie, and the script was written long ago, for just one small example, the following is submitted for your research:
In 1906, sociologist Lester Ward explained how NWO legislation could be achieved:
“It must not be supposed that such legislation can be conducted to any considerable extent in the open sessions of legislative bodies. These will doubtless need to be maintained, and every new law should be finally adopted by a vote of such bodies, but more and more this will become a merely formal way of putting the final sanction of society on decisions that have been carefully worked out in what may be called the sociological laboratory.”
The NWO management system’s moral education has nothing to do with freedom or the principles and ideals on which our nation was founded. The late B. F. Skinner, a Harvard University psychologist, put it this way:
“The hypothesis that man is NOT FREE is essential to the application of scientific method to the study of human behavior.”
To quote the French mathematician/philosopher, Auguste Comte (1798-1857), one of the most significant early planners of the world management system:
“The most important object of this regenerated polity will be the substitution of Duties for Rights; thus subordinating personal to social considerations. The word Right should be excluded from political language, as the word Cause from the language of philosophy. ”
“The only real life is the collective life of the race; individual life has no existence except as an abstraction.”
He also wrote:
“When the system is fully regulated, the effect of this will be to secure greater unity, by diminishing the influence of personal character.”
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media."
William Colby (Former CIA Director)
"The illusion of freedom [in America] will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater."
Frank Zappa, musician and cultural iconoclast
Silent Weapons:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/metasystems/GB/SilentWeaponsGB.html#anchor235589
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His website speaks for itself. As if we couldn't have detected it from his article, he is socialist, liberal theologian.
and a United Methodist. The United Methodists have embraced apostacy in many areas to include homosexualtiy in the pulpit!
Some of the other doctrines that are being set aside by united methodists are the virgin birth, the innerrancy of scripture and the diety of Christ.
The church has embraced eccumenism, legalized abortion, and gay marriage.
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1. Let's look at the source of this article - Seattle's Ecumenical Church Newspaper.
2. It is not written from a fundamental bible-believing perspective.
3. It is not a "religious" statement. It is a political statement cloaked in scripture, chosen (to appear) to back-up the writer's opinion.
This writer certainly does not speak for many of the evangelical clergy that I've heard in my own area, let alone across the country.
There are many points listed as actions taken by our current administration. For example:
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"The office of the president, with the acquiescence of the Congress, is fast becoming the office of a supreme leader who can change law through “signing statements” and extinguish law through an assumption of war powers."
"We have become a nation that practices torture."
"We have become a nation that targets and kills civilians."
"We have become a nation that disappears people."
"We imprison people without trial."
"We monitor what we say, who we say it to, when we say it, where we say it."
I don't know which rock this author has been living under, but these things are hardly new to our current administration, let alone American government. Welcome to reality. These things have been going on since "biblical" times among governments across the globe. We just happen to be more aware of it now thanks to an ever intrusive media and political theatrics disguised as news - not to mention disguised as christianity, as evidenced by this article.
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"All of this in the name of freedom and all of this disguised as justice. All of this covered with the silence and blessing of the clergy who will not blow the trumpet."
I will agree that these things are indeed being served to us as being "in the name of freedom", and "disguised as justice". But this still isn't new news; just more apparent to Americans since Sept. 11, 2001. The warning trumpet that needs to be blown by clergy in this country is against liberal theology being spread like wildfire from within the church - the same theology being touted by this author.
One final point. He says:
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"Within the Church there is an irreconcilable divergence emerging (1 John 2:18-19). At its extremes we see the birth of Patriot Pastors in Ohio even as liberal churches become targets for IRS investigations."
There is an "irreconcilable divergence emerging within the Church" because conservative theologians choose to align themselves with God's Word and distance themselves from pastors such as Mr. Lang. I'm not sure who he is referring to as the "Patriot Pastors" in Ohio, but the churches who have become targets of the IRS in Ohio are conservative churches, not liberal. It was the liberal pastors who called the IRS to complain about the conservative evangelical churches. He either has his facts wrong or worse, is a liar.
His website speaks for itself. As if we couldn't have detected it from his article, he is socialist, liberal theologian.
Sad.
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This is a exerp from Osama Bin Laden in 1996:
Our Lord, the people of the cross had come with their horses (soldiers) and occupied the land of the two Holy places. And the Zionist Jews fiddling as they wish with the Al-Aqsa Mosque, the route of the ascendance of the messenger of Allah (ALLAH'S BLESSING AND SALUTATIONS ON HIM). Our Lord, shatter their gathering, divide them among themselves, shaken the earth under their feet and give us control over them; Our Lord, we take refuge in you from their deeds and take you as a shield between us and them
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
I must disagree most strongly with your post from this pastor. He doesn't seem to know the bottom line.
The Muslims consider us the people of the cross and call us Crusaders.
The wish to wipe Israel of the face of the map and they also wish to destroy America.
Your post sounds like he agrees with the sentiments of our Enemy.
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The Source (Seattle's Ecumenical Church Newspaper) and GlobalResearch.ca
http://www.globalresearch.ca/
WE DARE NOT SPEAK ITS NAME
Progressive Religion and Politics: The Ten Commandments in a Time of War
We bring to our readers this important and powerful statement emanating from the progressive antiwar clergy in the US.
So when do we use the word? When do we actually say it? When do we, as clergy, take up the ministry of Ezekiel, and warn our people of that which is coming (Ezekiel 33:1-9)?
So far we have refused to say the word. So far we have not been so bold as to take up Ezekiel’s ministry. Perhaps we are afraid that even if we sounded the alarm our people wouldn’t listen nor would they understand (Isaiah 6).
And so, because of our silence, our people are assaulted by fears and suspicions drifting into sleep, moving step by inevitable step into the abyss traveled by all other empires before ours (Revelation 18).
The signs are clearly all around us. The mission and purpose of the United States is now that of a permanent war economy patrolling the globe and exterminating the infidels (1 Samuel 8).
The office of the president, with the acquiescence of the Congress, is fast becoming the office of a supreme leader who can change law through “signing statements” and extinguish law through an assumption of war powers.
We have become a nation that practices torture.
We have become a nation that targets and kills civilians.
We have become a nation that disappears people.
We imprison people without trial.
We monitor what we say, who we say it to, when we say it, where we say it.
All of this in the name of freedom and all of this disguised as justice. All of this covered with the silence and blessing of the clergy who will not blow the trumpet.
The signs are clearly all around us. We have students spying on their professors. We have government agencies spying on us. We have our computer transactions monitored. We have our children accosted by military recruiters at school, through the mail, through the media, at the mall. Meanwhile the price of war rises into the multiple billions even as spending cuts slice through the poor and the working class. But, from the pulpit, we dare not speak its name: this name that has become the reality of our time.
Within the Church there is an irreconcilable divergence emerging (1 John 2:18-19). At its extremes we see the birth of Patriot Pastors in Ohio even as liberal churches become targets for IRS investigations.
We see Justice Sundays and the growth of theocratic nationalism even as more are jailed because of their faith-based resistance to the further production of war. From the pulpits of the nation the Sermon on the Mount, christian identification with the poor, the declaration to love our enemies are all replaced with strategies of church growth or manipulations to infiltrate political parties. Congregations insist that clergy dare not speak its name.
Congregations insist that clergy stay embedded in their role as chaplain and golf partner. They insist that clergy provide comfort and offer therapeutic guidance. And clergy, with paycheck in hand, and a desire for career advancement in heart, oblige their congregations with false words of “peace, peace” (Jeremiah 8). But when does it get said? When do we clergy preach I Samuel 8, Isaiah 6, Jeremiah 8, Ezekiel 33, 1 John 2, Revelation 18?
When do we prepare our people for the next act of terrorism and the next seizure of power?
When do we clergy declare that allegiance to a military security state committed to permanent war is idolatry?
When do we cease our support for the regime that sends troops out to oppress, dominate and die while it chants the empty slogan "support our troops?”
When, in other words, will clergy name the disease that is our present reality? When do we speak of it from the pulpit? What are we waiting for? What other signs do we need? Are we waiting for the inevitable arrests of dissidents? Are we waiting for the next invasion, and then the next? Are we waiting for further heresy trials, further church harassment, further cultural friction? Are we waiting until the waters of the coming economic flood finally bubble up under our own chins?
When do we dare blow the trumpet and warn our people?
When do we dare cast aside the comforts of popularity, prosperity, and privilege so that we finally speak its name?
And having spoken it from the pulpit, from the Bible study, from out of each pastoral visit we make, having spoken the Word then perhaps we can lead our people in doing that which only the Church can do: casting out the demon while repenting for the sin of this republic now turned empire. Just like Jesus encountering the man in the tombs, we must begin this exorcism by naming its name: some might call it militarism but I think it is better understood as fascism (Mark 5).
Rev. Rich Lang is Pastor of Trinity United Methodist Church in Ballard. He is currently preaching on Progressive Religion and Politics: THE TEN COMMANDMENTS IN A TIME OF WAR and can be contacted at trinity_ballard@yahoo.com or through www.tumseattle.org
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