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wparr, Perhaps you do not understand scripture,

WRONG Catholicious, I read and under stand scriture.

Then why do you insist that committing adultery unrepentently is NOT a sin. A necessary element in God forgiving you your sins is repentence. Ultimately however, He is the judge.

You are the one with the problem, you let other flawed men interpet scriture for you and treat their interpetation as gospel.

I am sorry to have offended thee, I seek only to follow the Lord. The Church and her interpretations guided by the Holy Spirit came directly from JESUS CHRIST and His Apostles. The Apostles who learned DIRECTLY from CHRIST passed on their understanding to those early Christians known as the early Church fathers. Some of them like St. Ignatius and St. Polycarp for example learned directly St. John the Evangelist. I trust those interpretations passed down from CHRIST, not those of man.

Acts 8:30-31
30 Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?"
31 And he said, "Well, how could I, unless someone guides me?" And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.

1 Timothy 3:15
15 But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar
and foundation of truth.

2 Peter 1:20
20 Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation,

2 Peter 3:16
16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

I go to God and ask for His Holy Spirit to give me discrnment and interpetation.

Lets see who do I trust more the pope (a flawed man like me) or God as the Holy Spirit? daaa, that's a no brainer for me. God wins

I do not entrust my salvation to the Pope, if you suggest this about Catholics you are in error, CHRIST alone saves us. The Pope holds the position of universal shepard of CHRIST's Church, a position entrusted to him by CHRIST Himself [Mt 16:18-19]. He has the authority only because JESUS deemed it so.

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Acts 20:29-30 (NAB)
29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come among you, and they will not spare the flock.
30 And from your own group, men will come forward perverting the truth to draw the disciples away after them.

1 Peter 3:15-16 (RSV)
15 but in your hearts reverence Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to make a defense to any one who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence;
16 and keep your conscience clear, so that, when you are abused, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame.

Matthew 5:11 (KJV)
5 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Peace and God Bless!
Catholicious

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Originally posted by wparr:
Where in scripture does it say that remarrying after divorce is not forgiveable? It doesn't, thats man's rule, not God's. I am not saying divorce is ok, I'm saying God forgave.

I do not claim to be an expert on "Christian morality", all I can say is if scripture states that having relations with another person while being married (the marriage bond through God cannot be dissolved) is considered adultery, and adultery is a sin against the Ten Commandments, and a mortal sin (a sin unto death).

Live I said according to man's traditon a priest can be a child molester, or a homosexual and give communion, but someone divorced and remarried can't receive Communion.

A pastor living that sort of life is living in the state of grave sin. He should repent and end his evil ways by correcting the offending situation. One cannot be truly repentent if he makes no effort to rectify the situation.

One does not need to be in the state of grace to dispense the Eucharist, but that is the requirement for receiving it.

I agree that it is horrible that someone with such a holy calling could commit such acts of evil. Satan is everywhere seeking to infiltrate the Church wherever he can, but he will not prevail against the Church. This problem is everywhere and no denomination is immune from it. It just speaks to the level of evil that is in society today.

Which is worse in God's view 1.) a priest who claims to be "a man of God" and sexually abuses children in his care. or 2.) someone who gets divorced, then gets married again.

GOD alone is the judge, only He can know the answer to your question. Both are sinful acts according to scripture.

[i]Matthew 7:1 (KJV)
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. [/b]

Thats the problem with men making the rules instead of following what God said, ALL MEN ARE FLAWED.

I agree, it is not good to follow the "traditions of men", one should follow GOD.

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"Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup" (1 Cor. 11:27–28).

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