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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :

KNOWING CHRIST AS HE SHOULD BE KNOWN

by Cornelius R. Stam

John the Baptist introduced our Lord with the proclamation: "Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand" (Matt.3:2). Throughout His earthly ministry Christ was known as "the Son of David", the king with whom God made a covenant to establish His Kingdom forever.

The Old Testament prophets predicted that Christ would -- and He will -- reign on earth upon the throne of His father David. While His Kingdom was being proclaimed "at hand", He walked and talked and ate with men as "the Son of Man". Wearied with travelling, He sat at Jacob's well and asked for a drink of water. Pressed by the throng, He got into a fishing boat and addressed the multitudes from the sea. Hated by His adversaries, He was tried, scourged, spit upon, and nailed to a tree. This was indeed "Christ manifest in the flesh".

With regard to His humiliation, however, the Apostle Paul says, by divine inspiration: "God also hath highly exalted Him and given Him a name which is above every name" (Phil.2:9).

Again, the Apostle declares that God's mighty power was "wrought in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead, and set Him at His own right hand in the heavenly places, FAR ABOVE ALL..." (Eph.1:20). He is no longer to be known as "the lowly Jesus", but as the exalted "Lord" in heaven. And this has its bearing on us too:

"Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: Yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now, henceforth, know we Him no more" (IICor.5:16). Our blessed Saviour is now to be known as the glorified Son of God, the Great Dispenser of Grace to a lost humanity; the One who in love and mercy "tasted death for every man" (Heb.2:9).

Posted by Eden (Member # 5728) on :

C.R. Stam wrote, as posted by WildB

quote:
"Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: Yes, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now, henceforth, know we Him no more" (2Cor.5:16).

Our blessed Saviour is now to be known as the glorified Son of God, the Great Dispenser of Grace to a lost humanity; the One who in love and mercy "tasted death for every man" (Heb.2:9).

Okay, I can see that after Jesus was glorified, Jesus was "no longer known after the flesh", probably meaning, "as the Son of man", and would now be known as "the Son of God".

But then what did Paul mean when he wrote, in the first part of 2Cor.5:16:

quote:
"Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: Yes, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now, henceforth, know we Him no more" (2Cor.5:16).

What does that first part mean in light of the rest of the verse? What? That we now also should no longer be regarded as "sons of men", but as "sons of God"?

love, Eden

Posted by bluefrog (Member # 7448) on :

Before, Paul knew man as flesh just like he did Jesus. Now he knows man by his speech and actions according to spiritual things. His new outlook on Jesus is also spirtual.

Posted by Found in Him (Member # 7596) on :

Amen! He Is Lord!

16So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!

Posted by Eden (Member # 5728) on :

And when it comes to Jesus Christ sitting on the throne of David and reigning from His throne, it can be said that after Jesus ascended, Jesus sat down on His throne next to His Father YHWY, and that throne is, for now, the throne of David, except that the throne of David is currently in heaven.

That is, from the right side of the Father, Jesus rules His people Israel who are currently the church, which currently consists of believing Israelties and believing Gentiles who have been grafted into Israel.

So right now Jesus Christ is seated on the throne of David in heaven, from where Jesus directed His people Israel.

And just to clarify, the house of Israel and the house of Judah will later join the church Israel and they shall become one Israel of God at that time.

But for now, Jesus took over the throne of David at His ascension and Jesus has BEEN on the throne of David eversince then, so that there Is a king of Judah sitting on the throne of David.

Isaiah 9:7
Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon His kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

And indeed for this same reason could the disciples preach, "The kingdom of God is at hand", as indeed it was, except for now it would be a "kingdom of heaven".

John 18:36
Then Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if My kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from here.

KNOWING CHRIST

love, Eden

Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Eden:
And when it comes to Jesus Christ sitting on the throne of David and reigning from His throne, it can be said that after Jesus ascended, Jesus sat down on His throne next to His Father YHWY, and that throne is, for now, the throne of David, except that the throne of David is currently in heaven.

That is, from the right side of the Father, Jesus rules His people Israel who are currently the church, which currently consists of believing Israelties and believing Gentiles who have been grafted into Israel.

So right now Jesus Christ is seated on the throne of David in heaven, from where Jesus directed His people Israel.

And just to clarify, the house of Israel and the house of Judah will later join the church Israel and they shall become one Israel of God at that time.

But for now, Jesus took over the throne of David at His ascension and Jesus has BEEN on the throne of David eversince then, so that there Is a king of Judah sitting on the throne of David.

Isaiah 9:7
Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon His kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

And indeed for this same reason could the disciples preach, "The kingdom of God is at hand", as indeed it was, except for now it would be a "kingdom of heaven".

John 18:36
Then Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if My kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from here.

KNOWING CHRIST

love, Eden

Explain this as it matters to your exhortation.

Acts.7

1. [55] But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
2. [56] And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Posted by Eden (Member # 5728) on :

Hi, WildB, I don't doubt that Jesus also stood and walked about heaven, but Jesus also sat down at the right hand of God:

Hebrews 10:12
But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God.

love, Eden

Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :

Your missing my point and missing the Script.

Posted by Found in Him (Member # 7596) on :

Heavenly Father, I thank You that You have chosen to reveal precious insight of Your Son that You have given. You have declared: ALL power, ALL Authority in HEAVEN and IN EARTH has been given to YOUR SON! You are pleased that ALL FULLNESS should dwell IN HIM. YOU have given Him a name that is ABOVE EVERY name. It is to YOUR glory, and You are pleased with this.

Beautiful is Your love for Your Son!

Is it any wonder You descended and declared upon the mount: THIS IS MY SON, WHOM I LOVE, IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED, LISTEN TO HIM!

HE IS LORD OF ALL!!!!

Posted by bluefrog (Member # 7448) on :

AMEN.