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Most Democrats are liberals. They want God taken off our money, God out of our schools, God out of the court rooms, stem cell (which they ll use partial aborted babies to do this), believe a man and woman dont have to be married but should be treated as married couples, gays have the right to marry, life doesnt begin at conception, and that if you cant or wont work the govt should take care of you. And we wonder why this world is in such a mess.
I know several people who are too sorry to better themselves who get back $4k to $5k a yr on their tax returns. BUT bc my wife and myself make decent money, we re lucky to get back a $1k and I pay my share of taxes, last yr alone I paid in over $10k, just me not including my wife. We dont make decent money bc of the color of our skin, we make it bc we bust our butts. My wife was working 2 jobs when we met to just make ends meet, instead of taking the easy way out and signing up for welfare. And even though I make good money, I still work odd jobs to make money.
Dont give me that **** about not being able to get a job bc of the color of your skin. VA pays employers to hire minorities. So, who is being discrimnated against?
Just like raising the minimum wage will do nothing for those of us making more. Stores will raise prices to cover the wage increase which makes the person making $10 a hr being able to buy less.
You refer to people being disabled and cant work. Thats a different story but HOW many of those on it really CANT work? They are on welfare and disablity but driving new cars, designer clothes, etc. ???
As far as New orleans, give me a break. There were many many videos of those people down there stealing Esclades, shopping carts of expensive clothes and purses, etc etc etc. They were shooting at the rescue teams for no reason. All that stopped when the National Guard arrived and started shooting back. Very few were stealing food and other things to just survive.
For the record I am a conservative and I think all liberals should pack up their belongings and move to France or Canada.
I hope no one gets mad at me, I usually dont talk politics. I love all ya ll.
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John 8:31 ¶ Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
I know I am free in God's eyes, but black people and others are not free from this oppressive system and policies of government. There needs to be a change in government.
I hope for a change.
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John 8:31 ¶ Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
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I'm a newly registered Christian Democrat, and I'm going to mark my ballot for change.
...I'd point out that a good number of persons visiting this forum from Europe may well assume you're a Christian Democratic Socialist..and..."Golly! you mean they have that in the U.S. now??!!??
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Christian Democrats?? A Christian Democratic party?? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Ah ha ha ha !
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EL3LN3TN, I see that you are in Ohio. Are you paying any attention to the race for the Senate seat?
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I'm a newly registered Christian Democrat, and I'm going to mark my ballot for change.
...I'd point out that a good number of persons visiting this forum from Europe may well assume you're a Christian Democratic Socialist..and..."Golly! you mean they have that in the U.S. now??!!??
Christian Democrats?? A Christian Democratic party??
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Caretaker says "The African-American is free"
Technically its true...
My grandpa has work habits that are today seen in his great grand children. My grandapa tells me he inherited his work habits from his parents and grandparents. Passing down social habits through generations isn´t really a debate, its pretty well established.
When I was around 10 years old, I picked on my younger sister a lot. My parents sent me to a shrink to help deal with this. I was told that things I tell my sister even when she is 6 will affect her the rest of my life. And even at the young age I have a chance to help her flourish or set her on a bad path.
When the history of a race is slavery up until 140 years ago, cyclical poverty, official government discrimination up until 40 years ago, and discrimination from individuals even today....
I remember in my school and church as a young kid the names we called the black kids. When there were only 3 or 4 in a class we pretty much isolated them and humiliated them. I worked in a school a few years ago, and it was still happening. The only places blacks aren´t a severe minoirty are in poverty stricken areas.
Yes Caretaker, there are plenty of success stories, but open your eyes and look at reality. Look at statistics in the wealth gap, the education gap, the health care gap. You will find examples of success, but you will find many more examples of depair and suffering, and shame on you Mr Christian for turning your eyes the other way.
You really think these kids who are equal in the eyes of God, and equal in the eyes of the government, truely have equal opportunity? Absolutely not.
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Rose:
Then why are people trying so hard to limit their rights and discriminate against them?
Drew:
People are not discriminating against homosexual individual rights. As individuals they each one have equal rights under the Law. Just DO NOT CHNGE THE LAW TO LEGALIZE/LEGITIMIZE UNNATURAL UNIONS.
I am voting to change the system.
And I’m not Rose anymore: I’m Glacialis Caerul Femella.
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The African-American is free. The African-American can obtain an education, especially with extra programs and funding available specificly for African-Americans. It takes hard work and dedication, and there are a multitude of success stories.
You think slavery is over and done??? Slavery is not over, yet. America is not the "land of the free", blacks have only entered into another form of slavery. A blind eye is turned to their suffering because prejudice people with respect of persons do not want to see them.
I also know that there is still a long way to go for black people in the struggle for equality. It is in society today that the chains and shackles of physical chattel slavery of African-Americans have been replaced with the invisible chains and shackles of mental slavery, suffering and oppression. Most blacks cannot even obtain a decent or high-quality education, due to this oppressive system.
The struggle for equality continues…
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There were more new black business owners under Reagan then in any previous administrations. The opportunities are there, but one must have a willingness to work, a desire to succeed, and not sit around and play the "victim" of the "man".
Ronald Reagan cared nothing about black people, because he supported the apartheid(apart-hate) government in South Africa, and labeled the ones who took a stand against it “terrorists”.
I feel that you are inferring the word “lazy” there, Drew. Well, I am not talking about the "lazy" people, I am talking about the underpaid hard-workers, the disabled, the victims of discrimination and others that have been denied freedom in this oppressive system.
With this racist, classist and fascist government, do you really think that all black people and all poor people have the same opportunities as the white and rich, Drew?
Why are people blaming the oppressed and not the oppressor? Some people have had it harder in life. There are some people who need help from the government because they can't help themselves. The government is responsible for taking care of the American people, AIDING THEM IN THEIR TIME OF NEED.
The system that does not give equal treatment to all, fails people like the ones that I have mentioned. They are the ones that racist, classist and fascist people fail to acknowledge.
All that the oppressed want is freedom.
Power to all people.
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You present the party line of those who victimize the African-American and indoctrinate in their liberal pablum, and who do the greatest disservice to their people.
I don’t believe that at all.
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You spout the indoctrination of victimization, which such leeches as the Rev. Jessie Jackson, the Rev. Al Sharpton, and other African-American racist activists, and liberal democrats use to retain power and prestige among those who believe and buy into their false rhetoric.
When a black person fights against Racism, they are vilified and labeled a Racist. It is so sad.
It seems like no one wants to fight for social change.
It seems like everyone just wants to think that we blacks are first class citizens.
The struggle is NOT over.
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It might be beneficial for you to do some independent research and study, and try to break free of the blantant indoctrination of the liberal left.
My independent research and study is how I got the truth. Glory to God for showing me the truth.
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Rose:
Then why are people trying so hard to limit their rights and discriminate against them?
Drew:
People are not discriminating against homosexual individual rights. As individuals they each one have equal rights under the Law. Just DO NOT CHNGE THE LAW TO LEGALIZE/LEGITIMIZE UNNATURAL UNIONS.
Rose:
Are you trying to say that oppressed people and us blacks do not deserve to gain our freedom, Drew?
Drew:
The African-American is free. The African-American can obtain an education, especially with extra programs and funding available specificly for African-Americans. It takes hard work and dedication, and there are a multitude of success stories.
There were more new black business owners under Reagan then in any previous administrations. The opportunities are there, but one must have a willingness to work, a desire to succeed, and not sit around and play the "victim" of the "man".
Rose:
It seems like no one wants to talk about freedom for the oppressed people: but I do.
Drew:
You present the party line of those who victimize the African-American and indoctrinate in their liberal pablum, and who do the greatest disservice to their people.
Rose:
My conscience is crystal clear in voting democrat, I’m sure that my family and I will always be democrats. We as blacks, just refuse to vote for people who are not concerned about our welfare. Why would I vote for immoral people who refuse to see me as a valid human being? Why would I vote for immoral people who oppress me?
Drew:
You spout the indoctrination of victimization, which such leeches as the Rev. Jessie Jackson, the Rev. Al Sharpton, and other African-American racist activists, and liberal democrats use to retain power and prestige among those who believe and buy into their false rhetoric.
You talk the talk but they are words without substance, just the liberal party line which you now reiterate in your posts.
It might be beneficial for you to do some independent research and study, and try to break free of the blantant indoctrination of the liberal left.
Ebony Magazine
But today a new breed of African-American millionaire has emerged, an assemblage of moneyed Blacks who do not broadcast their wealth, but do not run from it either. Not as flashy or as closefisted as some of their millionaire predecessors, this second generation of Black elite could more accurately be considered "millionaire lite," half the fat-(cat mentality), with none of the salt-(y stinginess). They not only give generously to worthwhile causes, but in many cases, have also create their own vehicles to deliver good works to the less fortunate.
Having earned their money in a relatively short period of time and at a relatively young age--many times through wise financial-market investments, the smart use of White capital or by being standouts in the wide-open technology, sports and entertainments fields--their numbers have skyrocketed into the thousands from only a handful 30 years ago. Add to that the increased number of Black women millionaires and the emergence of a "superrich" class of African-Americans --those with more than $50 million in assets--and the result has been a Black millionaire snowball effect that is quietly threatening to steamroll the country's social and economic hierarchy that, until now, has remained virtually unchanged for the last 200 years.
Boring by aristocratic standards, the new Black millionaires are not the topic of investigative newspaper articles or scandalous gossip columns. They have become a part of the exclusive, White-dominated world of fortune-making, not by backbiting, brown-nosing or tap dancing, but by living by one rule: "Be the best," says computer heavyweight Marc Hannah, co-founder of Silicon Graphics, which grossed an astounding $3 billion in sales last year, "and they won't care who you are or what color you are. Be the best, and you will do well."
Members of this millionaire "soul patrol" say they plan to stay on top by having the right attitude about their and CEO of Soul Circus Limited, believes learning about the good--and bad--aspects of money has been an evolutionary process for African-Americans. "I think we now realize that riches have the potential to enslave and bond you, and if not handled right, can be detrimental," says the 44-year-old who produces the critically acclaimed and highly successful Universoul Big Top Circus . "It traps you prevents you from moving forward. You start worrying about maintaining your wealth. Its like a good car--when you get out of it, you always look back at it. But if you have a raggedy car, you get out of it and keep the good-car-money while keeping the raggedy-car mentality."
Part of the makeup of that modest mentality is the development of a desire to reach back to help others. For people like Trish Millines, a 40-year-old Microsoft retiree who made a small fortune from deferred options of her employer's stock, reaching back meant starting a foundation that annually give more that $250,000 to provide computer training to people of color. And for hamburger mogul La-Van Hawkins it means giving away more than a million dollars to worthy causes each year. "I think the old Black guard had the attitude `I got mine, so you get yours,'" says Hawkins, whose company, UrbanCityFoods, owns 43 Burger Kings, which are expected to ring up more than $200 million in sales next year. "But the new Black millionaires understand that we have a fiduciary responsibility to give back."
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The butchering of babies is an abomination and NO ONE WHO CLAIMS TO FOLLOW CHRIST SHOULD SUPPORT THIS, OR THOSE WHO DO!!!!!!
Racism, classism and fascism is an abomination, ANY form of oppression is an abomination and NO ONE WHO CLAIMS TO FOLLOW CHRIST SHOULD SUPPORT THIS, OR THOSE WHO DO!!!!!!
You see, Drew, I can just say the same thing about the policies of the Republican Party. This is why I am voting for change.
Like I said: I am against gay marriage and abortion, but I am NOT for passing man's laws against such things. I will NOT try to get laws passed that limit others from their freedom.
Just like I would NOT try to get a "no-fornication" law passed, because it limits the freedom of a person.
Just like I would NOT try to get a "no-adultery" law passed, because it limits the freedom of a person.
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Homosexuals already have equal rights under the law, as individuals.
Then why are people trying so hard to limit their rights and discriminate against them?
Are you trying to say that oppressed people and us blacks do not deserve to gain our freedom, Drew?
It seems like no one wants to talk about freedom for the oppressed people: but I do.
My conscience is crystal clear in voting democrat, I’m sure that my family and I will always be democrats. We as blacks, just refuse to vote for people who are not concerned about our welfare. Why would I vote for immoral people who refuse to see me as a valid human being? Why would I vote for immoral people who oppress me?
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I voted for change. Our governor is pro-abortion, so I voted for her opponent.
Our attorney general just won a victory in the Kansas Supreme Court to open Tiller's clinic records for those underage who were sexually abused and were given abortions, and the women who have died as a result of their late-term abortions in this clinic.
Kline has received my vote so that justice can be done. I voted for change, to seek restrictions on abortions.
The butchering of babies is an abomination and NO ONE WHO CLAIMS TO FOLLOW CHRIST SHOULD SUPPORT THIS, OR THOSE WHO DO!!!!!!
Homosexuals already have equal rights under the law, as individuals.
It makes a mockery of marriage to sanction/legislate homosexual unions. Just like it is legislating iniquity to sanction multiple partners, a union with children, or a union with animals, but according to the liberal definitions these perverts were born that way so they should be entitled.
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I'm a newly registered Christian Democrat, and I'm going to mark my ballot for change.
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Mark your ballot for the men and women who will take a stand against immorality. Same-sex marriage and abortion--require Christians to take a stand. These two issues are directly opposed to biblical truth and are an affront to all that is holy. The other issues will be with us and have been with us since before Christ. But the two big ones have just popped up and will, if not stopped, destroy society.
What other issues? Racism, classism and fascism is immoral, ANY form of oppression is immoral.
I am against gay marriage and abortion, but I am NOT for passing man's laws against such things. I will NOT try to get laws passed that limit others from their freedom.
Just like I would NOT try to get a "no-fornication" law passed, because it limits the freedom of a person.
Just like I would NOT try to get a "no-adultery" law passed, because it limits the freedom of a person.
I feel that there are much bigger issues than "gay marriage and abortion".
The racism, classism and fascism of policies of the U.S. government should require Christians to take a stand against such ungodly corruption, because it's destroying this society as I speak.
There has to be a change.
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Just an idea.
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Mark your ballot for the men and women who will take a stand against immorality. Same-sex marriage and abortion--require Christians to take a stand. These two issues are directly opposed to biblical truth and are an affront to all that is holy. The other issues will be with us and have been with us since before Christ. But the two big ones have just popped up and will, if not stopped, destroy society.
No you can not be a Christian and support same-sex marriage and abortion, period.
If you think you are a Christian an support these things, you better think again. You better get to know Jesus before it is to late. Read his word the bible and get to know Him as on judgement if you don't know Him you will hear depart from me I never knew you.
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Originally posted by freddy05:
Its no surprise that white people in America talk about racism as a thing of the past, poverty as a consequence of laziness, and want to protect the status quo.
What´s really sad is when this attitude comes from the mouths of those that profess Christ!
Yes. Very sad indeed.
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Ahhh... "Individual Freedom"... Depends who you are in America.
If you have a name that happens to look like the name of a terrorist, you may have problems getting on an airplane or have your phone calls monitored.
If you are born into poverty then your chances of economic prosperity are much lower from the get go.
For a majority of Americans, freedom means a 40+ hour a week job with sometimes as little as 0 hours of vacation time. 3 weeks is considered really good. In many countries "less free Europe", 1 month is the norm. Who is more "Free".
Rich (generally white) people who are accused of crimes hire high priced lawyers to twist the law and find loopholes and get off the hook or get a reduced sentence. Poor (generally minority) people who are accused of crimes get lower quality lawyers and get longer sentances and higher conviction rates.
If you are black and in a "white" area, people get scared, call the police, get suspicious, etc... If you are white in a "black" area, your friends assume you are crazy or doing mission work or something like that.
People born in to "White America" are more free than "Black America", immigrants, arabs, etc...
White people are disproportionately better off in all areas of the world. White people have controled governments, systems of education, technology, etc for hundreds of years so its no surprise.
Its no surprise that white people in America talk about racism as a thing of the past, poverty as a consequence of laziness, and want to protect the status quo.
What´s really sad is when this attitude comes from the mouths of those that profess Christ!
So are you saying individual freedom is bad? America isn't free and is far from. Just most other places are even further. Is there something wrong with wanting my own freedom from anothers threat of violent force? Is it wrong to not want to be part of enforcing others will through violence?
If you want to argue for a society providing the highest amount of equality then you would want a communist collective to where all would be equal and all would be put to the most efficient labor to best profit the collective. This is fine if it is voluntary, but to have equality for all, it would have to be forced on all.
I know as christians, we are called to a sort of collectivist mentality in being the body of Christ and we are to meet each others needs and treat each other as equal brothers and sisters in Christ. But this should be voluntary and not forced. Therefore, individual freedom what I think a christian should be working at for all. I don't think Christ would want us to force others to live this way, but would expect us, as individuals, to carry out his will in society.
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Ahhh... "Individual Freedom"... Depends who you are in America.
If you have a name that happens to look like the name of a terrorist, you may have problems getting on an airplane or have your phone calls monitored.
If you are born into poverty then your chances of economic prosperity are much lower from the get go.
For a majority of Americans, freedom means a 40+ hour a week job with sometimes as little as 0 hours of vacation time. 3 weeks is considered really good. In many countries "less free Europe", 1 month is the norm. Who is more "Free".
Rich (generally white) people who are accused of crimes hire high priced lawyers to twist the law and find loopholes and get off the hook or get a reduced sentence. Poor (generally minority) people who are accused of crimes get lower quality lawyers and get longer sentances and higher conviction rates.
If you are black and in a "white" area, people get scared, call the police, get suspicious, etc... If you are white in a "black" area, your friends assume you are crazy or doing mission work or something like that.
People born in to "White America" are more free than "Black America", immigrants, arabs, etc...
White people are disproportionately better off in all areas of the world. White people have controled governments, systems of education, technology, etc for hundreds of years so its no surprise.
Its no surprise that white people in America talk about racism as a thing of the past, poverty as a consequence of laziness, and want to protect the status quo.
What´s really sad is when this attitude comes from the mouths of those that profess Christ!
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And individual sovereignty is better than democracy. Freedom will always be better than being a slave. It doesn't matter if I'm a slave to a majorities will, or an individuals.
That just does not make any sense to me.
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And individual sovereignty is better than democracy. Freedom will always be better than being a slave. It doesn't matter if I'm a slave to a majorities will, or an individuals.
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Remember, democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on whats for dinner and that politics is rewarding your friends and punishing your enemys, so be careful how much power you give your government. It can be doing what you want with that power know, but the next group the comes in can use it against you. One day your the wolf with your friends in power, the next you might be the lamb and your enemies are in power.
Well, better a democracy than a dictatorship…
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Benificial treatment based on race and detrimental treatment based on race is wrong for the government to do. That goes both ways. In the south when the "good old boys" ran around and burned black churches and homes, attack black men and women and the the local governments looked the other way, but when the black men then stood up for themselves the local authorities would jump all overthem. That is evil and racist. When the government gives special treatment to someone based on race like allowing them special grants because they fit in the correct race catagory, or preferental treatment for getting jobs or into schools because you are the right race. That is also racists and wrong. The government should be neutral in regards to race, sex, sexual orientation, religion, as well as social or economic status.
Remember, democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on whats for dinner and that politics is rewarding your friends and punishing your enemys, so be careful how much power you give your government. It can be doing what you want with that power know, but the next group the comes in can use it against you. One day your the wolf with your friends in power, the next you might be the lamb and your enemies are in power.
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I want to add my amen to your posts. Oppotunity? There were more new African-American business owners, under the Reagan administration then any other time in our nation's history.
Reagan administration?
Drew, I’m sorry to have to tell you this in this way, but Reagan showed bias and favortism to those who "conspired to injure and oppress the citizens of the United States”, and at the same time did not help the injured and oppressed citizens of the United States.
That’s not FAIR. That’s not gospel; that is an obscenity. And Reagan also supported the apartheid (apart hate) government in South Africa throughout his presidency.
Reagan did not care about black people or their fight for social change.
This is what Reagan was about:
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In 1980, former FBI Director L. Patrick Grey and Edward S. Miller, one-time head of Squad 47, the domestic counterintelligence unit in the FBI's New York Field Office, were convicted of having "conspired to injure and oppress the citizens of the United States." The context of their crimes was COINTELPRO, a secret, nationwide campaign conducted by the Bureau from 1956-71 for purposes of destroying "politically objectionable" organizations and individuals through any and every means available to it. In 1975, an investigating committee headed by Senator Frank Church found that COINTELPRO had, from start to finish, been no more than "a sophisticated vigilante operation...fraught with illegality."
Neither Grey nor Miller ever spent a day in jail as a result of their convictions. In April 1981, President Ronald Reagan interrupted their appeals to announce that he was bestowing pardons on both men. The reason stated was that their misdeeds had occurred during an especially turbulent period in U.S. history, one in which the country had very nearly come apart at the seams. The moment had arrived in which it was necessary to "put all this behind us," Reagan said, and "to forgive those who engaged in excesses" during the political conflicts of the 1960s and 1970s.
At the time, it was pointed out that if this were to be Reagan's policy, it would be at least as appropriate for him to pardon the numerous victims of COINTELPRO as to forgive its perpetrators. We noted how the Church Committee had discovered that a COINTELPRO technique had been use of the courts to "neutralize" targeted activists by obtaining false convictions against them, that the FBI had typically involved local police in such endeavors, and that of all the groups targeted in this manner the Black Panther Party (BPP) had by a substantial margin been hit hardest and most extensively.
No action was taken by the Reagan administration in this connection, however, and a number of former Panthers continued to serve time, many of them in cases showing clear signs of manipulation by the FBI's COINTELPRO operatives.
Soure cited: http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/wagecoin.htm
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Throughout his presidency, Reagan supported the apartheid government in South Africa and even labeled Nelson Mandela's African National Congress a notorious terrorist organization.
Source cited: http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/11/1431258
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“Apartheid” is pronounced “Apart-Hate”.
And it was to Reagan, that anyone who fought for social change was labeled a “Terrorist”. Look at the beloved Black Panthers, they fought for social change and look what happened to them. I believe they were labeled terrorists to remove all sympathy. The people who abused them were let off the hook by Reagan, the so-called “Christian”.
Yeah, but that is what I would expect from a Republican. I can’t say that I am too surprised.
Are you trying to say that oppressed people and us blacks do not deserve to gain our freedom, Drew?
It seems like no one wants to talk about freedom for the oppressed people.
It seems like no one wants to do anything about the racism going on in today’s society.
It seems like no one wants to fight for social change.
It seems like everyone wants to think that we blacks are first class citizens.
It seems like everyone wants to think that America is “the land of the free.”
It seems like everyone wants to turn a blind eye to suffering in America at the hands of racists, fascists and classists.
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Forty-three years ago Brother Martin's words reverberated through my heart and took root, "May our children one day be judged not on the color of their skin, but on the content of their character.
I am sorry to say that Martin Luther King’s dream…
is still a dream.
And I believe it will remain a dream, especially with the Republican Party in control of the White House. I believe they do not care about Martin Luther King or his dream.
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Caretaker,
may your life, and the lives of your family continue to be blessed.
I praise GOD that HE did not allow satan to steal, kill and destroy your daughter's life.
The happiness of your words were reflected on the faces in the picture.
be blessed in Jesus
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God bless you Thunderz 7;
I want to add my amen to your posts. Oppotunity? There were more new African-American business owners, under the Reagan administration then any other time in our nation's history.
I officiated my youngest daughter's wedding yesterday at 4:00, in the little country Methodist Church, in Wilsey. It was very unusual as the father walked his daughter down the aisle, and then placed her hand in David's, stepped forward and officiated the ceremony.
When it came time for the portion, "who giveth this woman?", I used a "Daddy's perogative", stepped forward and took both of my daughter's hands in mine, and told her that,
"18 years ago Mommy brought a special miracle into our lives, a wee-one that was not much bigger then my hand. We were not sure that we would have her home for Christmas, but she was and so tiny that we dressed her in doll clothes for her first Christmas. She was our special blessing from God for the last 18 years, and today we have before us a very beautiful young woman, ready to embark upon the next pathway which God has provided. Today her Mom and Dad place her hands into the hands of David. God bless you precious."
I then placed my daughter's hands in David's and continued with the ceremony. Just after the "Kiss", and before turning the Bride and Groom and presenting Mr. and Mrs, I again exercised "Daddy's perogative", and stepped forward and gave my daughter a big old bear hug, and whispered a prayer and a blessing, and then turned to my new son gave him a bear-hug, and whispered a prayer and a blessing, and "God bless you my son", to my new son-in-law. I then turned the couple to face the congregation, and presented Mr. and Mrs.
A few points:
1) My youngest daughter was born at thirty weeks, and weighed 2 lbs 14 ozs. President Clinton vetoed the partial-birth abortion ban which would have stopped one of the most brutal of procedures which murder the most vulnerable of our nation's citizens who are far more mature than my daughter was at birth. Many babies are butchered at Tiller's clinic in Wichita, who are many weeks further developed the Allyson was at birth.
2) My new son's best man is handicapped, and wears leg braces. Aaron is a precious young man who did not have a suit. He looked most dapper in the black tuxedo which we provided, and stood there so proudly with his best friend. I made sure that I was right there when he was going up and down the steps, and a chair was provided as they were waiting to enter the sanctuary. It was a relief for Aaron when he could get out of the patent-leather shoes, and into slippers, for the reception. He made an excellent toast, and was a critical part of our families' event. His girlfriend was so critical in taking care of the guestbook and they were an intricate part in our families' special day.
Aaron is African-American and his girlfriend is Caucasian-American.
3) David's parents traveled three hours to honor their son and to welcome their new daughter into their family, and to be welcomed into ours. They now know that they are family and whenever they can get up this way my house is their house, and we are united as family. They are a very precious and loving Brother and Sister in Christ, and made the day so special for all of us.
John is Hispanic-American and Janet is Caucasian-American, and are my Brother and Sister in Christ Jesus our Lord.
My wife and I are Caucasian-American and our grandchildren are blue-eyed and blond headed.
Forty-three years ago Brother Martin's words reverberated through my heart and took root, "May our children one day be judged not on the color of their skin, but on the content of their character.
I present a wedding picture of my son and daughter, from yesterday:
David and Allyson
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16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..
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These numbers will not change. They are based on individual choices made--aggregated nationally--as long as 30 years ago. Look inside these numbers at where the political impact is felt most. Do Democrats realize that millions of Missing Voters--due to the abortion policies they advocate--gave George W. Bush the margin of victory in 2000?
The Republican Party is not doing too good in the polls where I stay at. I got a feeling that Ohio is going to be a blue state very soon.
I believe we just want change.
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Gay Marriage and the Democrats
Support for gay rights, marriage evident at Democratic convention
"Date: 07/30/2004
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By Robert Marus
BOSTON (ABP) -- The head of the nation's largest gay-rights group made a pitch for "marriage equality" for same-sex couples from the floor of the Democratic National Convention, while conservative religious groups criticized the party's platform and presidential ticket as being too pro-gay. "
Democratic Party is way more Christian than the Republican Party of racist, classist and fascist bigots.
AY, remember that Mark Foley scandal??? With that grown gay man IM-ing a 16 year old boy ABOUT SEX. MARK FOLEY WAS A REPUBLICAN.
I thought the Republicans were RELIGIOUS! What was that???
How did this GAY man get in there, corrupting minors??? The Republican Party let him in.
Saying no to gay marriage don't mean saying no to homosexuality. THINK ABOUT IT.
I thought that the Republican party was Christian. I guess not!
Is this the Democrats' fault???
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It's good that life's experiences have set you as the expert on racism and discrimination.
I never said that I was the “expert on racism and discrimination”. Ay, why don’t you stop putting words where there are none?
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Too bad I didn't learn anything back when two men tried to kill me because they didn't want their niece dating one of "my kind".
It's a shame I learned nothing when that gang didn't like me having the wrong color jacket on, at the wrong time, in the wrong place.
Guess I was just too hard headed to understand why the law "profiled" me because of a group I was part of, harassing me on my job and tapping my phone, because of my lifestyle and how I looked.
If I had learned quicker maybe I would have turned to Jesus earlier.
But even after I did come to Jesus.
I guess having my parents think I should see a "shrink" because I supported a Christian in a mixed race relationship, didn't teach me anything about Christian life.
I suppose it is meaningless what I was called when our group reached out in witness to a lesbian couple and tried to lead them to Christ.
Wonder why it is I stand with a modern day apostle who is white and his wife black;
guess I just can't learn!
Why do I support that missionary who has dual citizenship in the U.S. and Mexico, all four of his children married Mexicans,
he even (legally) brings Mexicans to the U.S. at times;
how is it I would support this?
When I was the first of my color to join a Christin singing group that had been one race for twelve years prior to my joining, and staying with it for ten years, I must have seen, heard and learned nothing.
Relevance?
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It is good that the young know all;
a shame we get so dumb as we stay here longer!
(I'm not old, I've just been here a long time)
Ay, are you getting sarcastic with me now?
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As Jesse, you fail to see that older more experienced white man can't just be taken out of the equation because you don't want to explain that part of it.
I don’t want to explain that part because it is irrelevant. It would be an obscenity for me as a black person to pretend that it was not racist for the white man to get the job that the black man was better qualified for. And when a black man speaks out and takes a stand against it, he is labeled a racist. I can see the racism of this racist decadent society, and I cannot pretend that I don’t know what’s going on.
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So what is more important to you;
1-your race?
2-your social and economic level?
3-type of government and laws?
4-YHWH's Commandments?
Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4, of course. And I believe that we both know that.
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Funny that around here it is white people who usually call me racist names, because of things I have stood for and fought for.
So you calling me a white racist really doesn't impress me!
I did not call you a “white racist”. Like I said: I never said that. Ay, why don’t you stop putting words where there are none?
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That is a true statement;
but I hope you are not implying that the Democrats are Christian!
They act more Christian than the so-called “Religious Right”.
“Religious Right”, more like “Racist Right”.
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the Democrats religion is human sacrifice(abortion)
their language is an abomination to YHWH (homosexuality)
You are not making any sense there, that is all wrong. The Democratic Party is about freedom, giving black people and all other oppressed people the freedom that they have been denied.
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As a matter of fact I have been denied equal rights because of my color.
No I probably haven't because of my sexual orientation.
I probably have because of my gender!
I don't think gay rights should include teaching children in public school that the gay lifestyle is acceptable.
I don't think our tax money should be use to support such teaching.
I didn't say I was better that they;
I don't force Christ on them and don't want them trying to force me to accept homosexuality.
Now to white racist, you add bigot.
If you support the denial of any person of their rights, gay or straight, then you support bigotry. Who is forcing you to accept homosexuality? You can hate their lifestyle, but don’t hate them by discriminating against them in the name of God. It is cruel. Discrimination is HATE.
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YHWH's WORD is quite clear about abortion and homosexuality!
We need to preach the gospel to people and tell and teach them what Yahweh’s designs for …
Marriage
Parents
Children
But we do not need to pass man's laws to validate what God says.
We need to make it very clear that something is not a sin because of man's law, but God's law.
A law against Gay Marriage won't end homosexuality. To me, the law against gay marriage or even abortion is just is a waste of time.
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What about YHWH's law against gay marrage;
is that a waste of time to you also?
No it is not, but man’s law against gay marriage is.
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Gay Marriage and the Democrats
Support for gay rights, marriage evident at Democratic convention
"Date: 07/30/2004
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BOSTON (ABP) -- The head of the nation's largest gay-rights group made a pitch for "marriage equality" for same-sex couples from the floor of the Democratic National Convention, while conservative religious groups criticized the party's platform and presidential ticket as being too pro-gay. "
"The Empty Cradle Will Rock
How abortion is costing the Democrats voters--literally.
BY LARRY L. EASTLAND
Monday, June 28, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT
More than 40 million legal abortions have been performed and documented in the 30 years since the U.S. Supreme Court declared abortion legal. The debate remains focused on the legality and morality of abortion. What's largely ignored is a factual analysis of the political consequences of 40 million abortions. Consider:
• There were 12,274,368 in the Voting Age Population of 205,815,000 missing from the 2000 presidential election, because of abortions from 1973-82.
• In this year's election, there will be 18,336,576 in the Voting Age Population missing because of abortions between 1972 and 1986.
• In the 2008 election, 24,408,960 in the Voting Age Population will be missing because of abortions between 1973-90.
These numbers will not change. They are based on individual choices made--aggregated nationally--as long as 30 years ago. Look inside these numbers at where the political impact is felt most. Do Democrats realize that millions of Missing Voters--due to the abortion policies they advocate--gave George W. Bush the margin of victory in 2000?
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The Pharisees tell us what not to do. Jesus tells us what to do.
Romans 10:15 As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"
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Race Card??? Tell me, what is a “race card”? So many White racists tell Blacks that they are playing the “race card” when they expose racism in everyday society, but I didn’t get my “race card” in the mail.
And how can I, as a black person, pretend that I don’t know what’s going on?
It's good that life's experiences have set you as the expert on racism and discrimination.
Too bad I didn't learn anything back when two men tried to kill me because they didn't want their niece dating one of "my kind".
It's a shame I learned nothing when that gang didn't like me having the wrong color jacket on, at the wrong time, in the wrong place.
Guess I was just too hard headed to understand why the law "profiled" me because of a group I was part of, harassing me on my job and tapping my phone, because of my lifestyle and how I looked.
If I had learned quicker maybe I would have turned to Jesus earlier.
But even after I did come to Jesus.
I guess having my parents think I should see a "shrink" because I supported a Christian in a mixed race relationship, didn't teach me anything about Christian life.
I suppose it is meaningless what I was called when our group reached out in witness to a lesbian couple and tried to lead them to Christ.
Wonder why it is I stand with a modern day apostle who is white and his wife black;
guess I just can't learn!
Why do I support that missionary who has dual citizenship in the U.S. and Mexico, all four of his children married Mexicans,
he even (legally) brings Mexicans to the U.S. at times;
how is it I would support this?
When I was the first of my color to join a Christin singing group that had been one race for twelve years prior to my joining, and staying with it for ten years, I must have seen, heard and learned nothing.
It is good that the young know all;
a shame we get so dumb as we stay here longer!
(I'm not old, I've just been here a long time)
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The older white man did not get the job, but the younger white man did get the job.
The younger white man did not have as much experience as the black man. What makes white man with less experience any better than the black man with more experience?
As Jesse, you fail to see that older more experienced white man can't just be taken out of the equation because you don't want to explain that part of it.
The younger man was chosen because he was less time removed from his days as a player for the University.
None of the previous six head coaches stayed long enough to give stability to the program.
They hired a younger man, still close to the program, in hope of getting one to stay longer than the average stay of the last six.
Jesse wouldn't consider anything but "his agenda",
his position was wrong and racist.
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Oh yeah, he was defending “Ten Commandments”. Ten Commandments??? What? What about the RACISM, CLASSISM AND FASCISM? Why doesn’t he seem to do anything about the racism in this society? Why doesn’t he seem to be concerned about our welfare?
So what is more important to you;
1-your race?
2-your social and economic level?
3-type of government and laws?
4-YHWH's Commandments?
Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
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That is a racist statement; it appears that you believe that the rights of Black people are not worth fighting for. How sad. White racists always talk about that so-called “race card”. And yet I, as a black person can’t seem to figure out what it is.
Funny that around here it is white people who usually call me racist names, because of things I have stood for and fought for.
So you calling me a white racist really doesn't impress me!
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The Republican Party is not a Christian one.
That is a true statement;
but I hope you are not implying that the Democrats are Christian!
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Republican Party's religion is capitalism, and its language is money.
the Democrats religion is human sacrifice(abortion)
their language is an abomination to YHWH (homosexuality)
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Do you know how it feels to be denied your rights, just because of the color of your skin, or sexual orientation? How then can you support the denial of a gay person of their rights? What makes you any better than them? That is bigotry.
As a matter of fact I have been denied equal rights because of my color.
No I probably haven't because of my sexual orientation.
I probably have because of my gender!
I don't think gay rights should include teaching children in public school that the gay lifestyle is acceptable.
I don't think our tax money should be use to support such teaching.
I didn't say I was better that they;
I don't force Christ on them and don't want them trying to force me to accept homosexuality.
Now to white racist, you add bigot.
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We need to make it very clear that something is not a sin because of man's law, but God's law.
YHWH's WORD is quite clear about abortion and homosexuality!
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A law against Gay Marriage won't end homosexuality. To me, a law against gay marriage just is a waste of time.
What about YHWH's law against gay marrage;
is that a waste of time to you also?
Being called names is not new to me,
N*****-lover, darkey, halfbreed, spot, nappy-head,
I'm used to that kind of thing.
Now I must admit, white racist bigot is new, but still.
Pslams 26:2 As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse causeless shall not come.
Shalom
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Have you ever heard of Jesse Lee Peterson?
A black Pastor who is outspokenly critical of JJ.
Check him out at http://www.bondinfo.org/
He won't be taking a racist slant against JJ.
Now Jesse Lee Peterson IS showing the fruit of love of Christ in his works AND he presents the Gospel to.
I don't believe that at all. No. Not at all.
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Well there has been PLENTY of audio / video of Jesse siding with and expressing support to Arafat and the PLO.
If you CHOOSE to ignore all that and back him blindly - well no amout of truth will change your perception (as opposed to reality).
Racist media bias is not the truth. I believe the racist media always tries to vilify Jesse to discredit him to the community.
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Have you ever heard of Jesse Lee Peterson?
A black Pastor who is outspokenly critical of JJ.
Check him out at http://www.bondinfo.org/
He won't be taking a racist slant against JJ.
Now Jesse Lee Peterson IS showing the fruit of love of Christ in his works AND he presents the Gospel to.
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Well there has been PLENTY of audio / video of Jesse siding with and expressing support to Arafat and the PLO.
If you CHOOSE to ignore all that and back him blindly - well no amout of truth will change your perception (as opposed to reality).
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Read the news reports.
Also the man has sided with Yaser Arafat (a terrorist) AGAINST Israel
That makes him an ENEMY of Yahweh.
I just don't believe that. And besides, I don't believe majority of the media anyway, it tends to be a bit racist.
I have to look beyond the press.
I believe that, at times, it despises black people.
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Read the news reports.
Also the man has sided with Yaser Arafat (a terrorist) AGAINST Israel
That makes him an ENEMY of Yahweh.
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But he hasn't SHOWN any change.
His tools are NOT of God - fear mongering - intimidation - threats - lies.
So who is his father??
NOT Yahweh
Who does that leave.
Do you have any proof of this?
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But he hasn't SHOWN any change.
His tools are NOT of God - fear mongering - intimidation - threats - lies.
So who is his father??
NOT Yahweh
Who does that leave.
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The man is NOT motivated by love - he displays to much HATE
The analagy you make with him is the SAME one used by terror groups - they are fighting to free their people.
Jesse has said and shown on MANY occasions that he hated whites - NEVER heard him repent.
He bragged of spitting on white peoples food when he worked in a restaurant (I define that type of hate as RACISUM) - NEVER heard him repent.
Even if he did do such evil things, that doesn't mean that he did not repent and ask forgiveness.
People can change, can't they?
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The man is NOT motivated by love - he displays to much HATE
The analagy you make with him is the SAME one used by terror groups - they are fighting to free their people.
Jesse has said and shown on MANY occasions that he hated whites - NEVER heard him repent.
He bragged of spitting on white peoples food when he worked in a restaurant (I define that type of hate as RACISUM) - NEVER heard him repent.
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"Good" works apart from God means NOTHING
You should realize that sis
Joel does good works - what do you thing of him?
Joyce Meyer$$$ does good works - what do you think of her?
What is Jesse's CHARACTER
Adultry - lies - deception - intimidation - control - fear mongering.
I am sure that Jesse has repented of his past sins, just as you and I have.
I believe that fighting for rights is love, fighting against racial discrimination is love.
Love is not a good work, love is good fruit.
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"Good" works apart from God means NOTHING
You should realize that sis
Joel does good works - what do you thing of him?
Joyce Meyer$$$ does good works - what do you think of her?
What is Jesse's CHARACTER
Adultry - lies - deception - intimidation - control - fear mongering.
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How can I say something like that?
Because it's TRUE!!!
Are you going to try to defend him as a true follower of Christ proclaming the ONE TRUE Gospel?
Welll.. I wasn't saying all thaaaaaat, but his fight against discrimination was indeed "Christian". I don't even know how he feels about the gospel, though.
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How can I say something like that?
Because it's TRUE!!!
Are you going to try to defend him as a true follower of Christ proclaming the ONE TRUE Gospel?
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I would say that any discussion of the reverendLESS Jesse Jackson needs to be in the FALSE TEACHING section.
His CLAIMING to be a man of God (which God? NOT the one of the Scriptures)and taking the title Reverend is Blaspheme
Hid fruit is POISONOUS and EVIL.
Ay. How can you say something like that???
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I would say that any discussion of the reverendLESS Jesse Jackson needs to be in the FALSE TEACHING section.
His CLAIMING to be a man of God (which God? NOT the one of the Scriptures)and taking the title Reverend is Blaspheme
Hid fruit is POISONOUS and EVIL.
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Itty-Bitty Girl,
I feel you have totally missed the point of the history lesson given by NLP.
In my opinion you have twisted his words and his meaning.
First of all, NLP is a female, and Second of all, I twisted none of her words.
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AND you are continually playing the "race card".
Race Card??? Tell me, what is a “race card”? So many White racists tell Blacks that they are playing the “race card” when they expose racism in everyday society, but I didn’t get my “race card” in the mail.
And how can I, as a black person, pretend that I don’t know what’s going on?
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Jesse Jaskson, a Democrat, a black man, a black leader, came to Alabama to support a black man for head football coach, and was totally racist in his stand.
Jesse Jackson was totally racist in his stand? Jesse Jackson was “racist”, because he fought against discrimination?
Jesse Jackson was NOT racist. The racist person would call him “totally racist in his stand”.
It was honorable that Jesse Jackson even took a stand in the first place, and for someone to make him out to be a villain for fighting for against racial discrimination is an obscenity to me.
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Jesse pointed to the experience and years the black man had on the younger white man, in saying that is the reason the black man should get the job.
Jesse ignored the fact that the older white man had head coaching experience and several years experience on the black man.
Jesse is supposidly a politician not an athlete, not a coach, not an athletic dierctor;
yet when Alabama choose the younger candidate, Jesse set up protest all over the state.
And good for Jesse Jackson for doing so!
Good for Jesse for speaking out and exposing this racist decadent society for what it is.
The older white man did not get the job, but the younger white man did get the job.
The younger white man did not have as much experience as the black man. What makes white man with less experience any better than the black man with more experience?
How can someone even defend such racism? Jesse the Democrat was Christian to stand against such racism.
And what was the black Republican doing?
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Alan Keys, a Republican, a black man, a black leader, came to Alabama to support Roy Moore, the Ten Commandments and the rights of Christians in the United States.
Oh yeah, he was defending “Ten Commandments”. Ten Commandments??? What? What about the RACISM, CLASSISM AND FASCISM? Why doesn’t he seem to do anything about the racism in this society? Why doesn’t he seem to be concerned about our welfare?
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The Democrat "Reverend" Jesse, never once took time to support the ten commandments or the rights of Christians, he was too busy getting in front of any camera or microphone he could find to play the "race card".
That is a racist statement; it appears that you believe that the rights of Black people are not worth fighting for. How sad. White racists always talk about that so-called “race card”. And yet I, as a black person can’t seem to figure out what it is.
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Alan Keys stood as a Christian;
"Reverend" Jackson stood as a racist.
"Reverend" Jackson stood as a Christian, by caring about the welfare of black people. Compassion and love sounds “Christian” to me.
It appears that Alan Keys could care less about the welfare of black people. He, and Black Republicans, such as Condoleezza Rice, is what I equate to the “Uncle Tom” on the plantation that is there to keep the blacks “in line”. And they could care less about us, or our freedom.
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What was really important Alabama in the spring and summer of 2003?
The Republicans said it was religion.
The Democrats said it was football.
That comment sounds racist to me, Thunderz7. Because to the Democrats, it is more than “football”, but about a fight for us to be free, a fight for black people and other oppressed people to gain their freedom.
And to the Republicans, it is more than “Religion”, it is a fight to maintain this racist, classist fascist form of government, using “Religion” as a tool to mislead people into believing that it is Christian. There is nothing Christian about denying a person their freedom.
The Republican Party does not seem to care about black people; the Republican Party does not seem to care about the poor. It does not understand suffering; it cannot even comprehend the language of suffering.
The Republican Party is not a Christian one.
Republican Party's religion is capitalism, and its language is money.
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The Democratic platform is open to public knowledge;
they support abortion and gay rights openly and publicly.
How does a Christian number himself/herself among abortionist and homosexuals?
I number myself among people who want freedom, the freedom that has often been denied.
There is no freedom in the Republican Party, there is only, racism, classism and fascism all in the name of God.
Do you know how it feels to be denied your rights, just because of the color of your skin, or sexual orientation? How then can you support the denial of a gay person of their rights? What makes you any better than them? That is bigotry.
We do not need to pass man's laws to validate what God says. That is a ridiculous battle to me, it is not worth fighting for.
We need to make it very clear that something is not a sin because of man's law, but God's law.
A law against Gay Marriage won't end homosexuality. To me, a law against gay marriage just is a waste of time.
As freddy05 said: Republicans have racist policies that view Latinos, Blacks, and Arabs as second-class citizens (if they are American) or subhuman (if they are foreign).
How then does a Christian number herself/himself among racist bigots and hypocrites?
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Do you think a Christian can be a Democrat???
yES. i PERSONALLY KNOW cHRISTIANS WHO LOVE THE lORD, AND THEY USUALLY VOTE THE dEMOCRATIC TICKET. iT PUZZLES ME AT TIMES, BUT i DON'T ALLOW IT TO AFFECT OUR WALK WITH THE lORD!
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Itty-Bitty Girl,
I feel you have totally missed the point of the history lesson given by NLP.
In my opinion you have twisted his words and his meaning.
AND you are continually playing the "race card".
Another history lesson for you on the "race card"
and Democrats and Republicans---
In the Spring and Summer of 2003,(in Alabama)
Judge Roy Moore was under fire for his stand supporting display of the Ten Commandments Momument.
During this time the University of Alabama was in the process of finding a new head football coach.
How did the Democrats and Republicans respond?
Alan Keys, a Republican, a black man, a black leader, came to Alabama to support Roy Moore, the Ten Commandments and the rights of Christians in the United States.
Jesse Jaskson, a Democrat, a black man, a black leader, came to Alabama to support a black man for head football coach, and was totally racist in his stand.
Three candidates were interviewed for the football job.
All three former players for the university.
The youngest (37) a white man, had assistant coaching experience in pro football.
A black man (49) had experience as an assistant in college and pro football.
A white man (62) with experience as assistant in college and pro ball and Head Coaching experience in college ball.
Jesse pointed to the experience and years the black man had on the younger white man, in saying that is the reason the black man should get the job.
Jesse ignored the fact that the older white man had head coaching experience and several years experience on the black man.
Jesse is supposidly a politician not an athlete, not a coach, not an athletic dierctor;
yet when Alabama choose the younger candidate, Jesse set up protest all over the state.
The Democrat "Reverend" Jesse, never once took time to support the ten commandments or the rights of Christians, he was too busy getting in front of any camera or microphone he could find to play the "race card".
Alan Keys stood as a Christian;
"Reverend" Jackson stood as a racist.
What was really important Alabama in the spring and summer of 2003?
The Republicans said it was religion.
The Democrats said it was football.
The Democratic platform is open to public knowledge;
they support abortion and gay rights openly and publicly.
How does a Christian number himself/herself among abortionist and homosexuals?
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Democrats kill truckloads of babies... and want to steal your money.
Sorry, but that's just too hilarious!!
So where do Democrats take their "truckloads of babies" in order to kill them?? To America's secret network of concentration camps w/ black helicopters parked outside??
<lol> Have they ever been photographed doing this?? Who let's them get away with it??
Or on a serious note - are you suggesting the majority of women who decide to undergo termination procedures are Democrats??##$$!!??
News to me.
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Democrats kill truckloads of babies and want to steal your money.
So who´s worse?
Steal your money? How?
Look this is what is happening. You ask your neighbor to give some money to help out your sister who is blind. He doesn't want to give it. Then you put a gun in his face and say that he will give what you asked or else. He then gives you the money you wanted and you give it to your sister. Was that right?
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Originally posted by freddy05:
Democrats kill truckloads of babies and want to steal your money.
So who´s worse?
Steal your money? How?
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