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So do you people lashing out at Catholics believe that we should all don white hoods and robes and speak against Katholics, Koons, and Kikes under a burning cross at night?
You seem to embrace much of what the KKK would. Should you join your white arian nation who believes in God and spread your hatebreeding ways to our children? After all, maybe we can make the world 10 times worse so God will come sooner. Or maybe talk about Charlie Manson some more and learn of his brainwashing techniques, I heard Jim Jones was pretty good at that as well.
Or maybe you should try to find something constructive to do like reaching out to nonbelievers in Christ and help them find the Lord. Instead, you preach your trash to a bunch of noncatholics trying to instill your hate into impressionable minds. Find a Catholic forum and tell them how you feel, at least you are directing it towards the right group of people then instead of people who already agree with you. Truly I tell you, you have lost love in your heart.
This is not directed towards everyone. The guilty parties will try to defend their "godly" actions.
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Well said, Drew. Thanks for your feedback. I personally have issues with the Catholic Church but I don't want to generalize and accuse all Catholics of believing false teachings. Many Catholics aren't very traditional and do stray from some of the teachings of the Catholic Church, but they don't waver in their love for Christ and do keep Christ first and foremost in their minds and hearts. I think many Catholics today would consider themselves Christians first, Catholic second.
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God bless you Nan;
Please do your research, and Dr. Mizzi has an excellent quality of information, and being an ex-Catholic brings credibility to the table. Do not buy-into the ecumenical party-line, but use the Word as your guide for Truth, and look critically at those who are contrary.
My quotes are from the Current on-line Catholic Cathechism.
Catholic Cathechism:
969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."512
47. The RC teaches: Mary is the co-mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions. (Catechisms 968-970, 2677).
The Bible teaches: Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions. I Timothy 2:5, John 14:13&14, I Peter 5:7.
Main Entry: me•di•a•trix
Pronunciation: -'A-triks
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin, feminine of mediator
Date: 15th century
: a woman who is a mediator
http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/pray0685.htm
Prayer to Our Lady, Health of the Sick
Virgin, most holy, Mother of the Word Incarnate, Treasurer of graces, and Refuge of sinners, I fly top your motherly affection with lively faith, and I beg of you the grace ever to do the will of God.
Into your most holy hands I commit the keeping of my heart, asking you for health of soul and body, in the certain hope that you, my most loving Mother, will hear my prayer.
Into the bosom of your tender mercy, this day, every day of my life, and at the hour of my death, I commend my soul and body.
To you I entrust all my hopes and consolations, all my trials and miseries, my life and the end of my life, that all my actions may be ordered and disposed according to your will and that of your Divine Son. Amen.
http://www.justforcatholics.org/a64.htm
Every Christian should consider Mary with respect. She is forever to be called blessed. Yet, I think it is a sign of disrespect when people expect from her things that she cannot give. Why would people pray to her, when the Bible clearly teaches us that we should pray to God and that God alone knows our hearts (1 Kings 8:39)? Why would people ask grace from Mary, when the Bible teaches us that all grace comes from God (1 Peter 5:10)? Why should people call her "our life" and "our hope", when the Bible teaches us that the Lord is our life and hope (Colossians 3:4; 1 Timothy 1:1)? Why would people make her a mediator, when the Bible says that there is one mediator, Jesus Christ (1 Timothy 2:5)? And why should people trust even the hour of their death wholly to her care? Isn't the Good Shepherd of the sheep willing to keep His own and bring them safely to glory (John 10:27,28)?
Sadly, in practice many Catholics worship Mary because they pray to her, trust in her and attribute to her titles and honors, which belong to God alone. May God grant them repentance. Rather than looking unto a creature, we should follow Mary in her godly example and apply to the Lord for salvation and all spiritual blessings.
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They DO pray to mary.
Go to a rcc debate forum and watch catholics DEFEND praying to mary.
It goes MUCH deeper than the "hail mary's"
If someone is trying to talk to mary (who's dead) it's a PRAYER.
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The name of this forum is the "Exposing False Teaching", and that is what you are being presented with in this thread, Nan.
Caretaker, I think you present yourself well, but I think others on the board speak from limited knowledge. If we’re to expose false teachings, I think we should get it right. I also think it would be great to have an expert on Catholicism here to rebut. I’m not an expert on Catholicism. But I know for a fact that Catholics don’t pray TO Mary they pray for her intercession. The Hail Mary’s are not about asking for forgiveness they’re about honoring Mary and asking her to pray for them. Just as we have a thread here asking for prayers from others (Prayer Requests), Catholics ask Mary and the Saints to pray for them (they may also ask their parents, friends, priests, relatives etc just as other Christians do). I think if Jesus honored Mary, as His mother there is nothing wrong with Catholics honoring Mary as the mother of Jesus, hence the mother of God and asking for her help in matters. Catholics believe that Christ IS the way, not a mediator. He IS God. I know a lot of Catholics and they are very devoted to Jesus and know that salvation is achieved through Jesus alone. Some Catholic practices may be suspect, I agree, but I would like to know the history behind those practices. I think I’m going to do some research on this. Thanks.
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http://www.justforcatholics.org/a09.htm
Judging Catholics
Question: Who has the right to judge whether Roman Catholics are Christians...surely not you!
Answer: You are right. I am not the one who would judge Catholics, and indeed anybody else. I am a nobody. God is the Judge of the world and we shall all appear before Him. It would be awful on that Day for every devout religious person - whether Roman Catholic, Protestant or whatever his religion might be - to find that his or her hope for salvation was unfounded.
Yet God is good. During our lifetime He has given us the Holy Scriptures - His inspired Word - for teaching and correction (1 Timothy 3:16) that we may discover our errors and know the true way to heaven. Moreover, the Lord wants His people to be a light in this dark world. They must proclaim the truth; they must expose error. God's servants "must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth" (2 Timothy 2:24,25). They must speak the truth in love, even though they are falsely accused of being judgemental and "bashing Catholics."
There is much in the Roman Catholic religion that is biblical and wholesome. Yet, sadly, erroneous human traditions have infiltrated Catholicism to such an extent that the Gospel is poisoned. Rome's message is "another" gospel.
Why do I point out the errors of the Roman religion? Is it because I enjoy being contentious? Is it because I'm "anti-catholic"? No! God knows my heart and my motives. I am "pro-catholic"! I am compelled by love to speak out. I care and pray for Catholics that they might turn from a distorted religion to a living relationship with Jesus Christ according to the truth of His Word.
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He says it well. Spend some time understanding the errors that has led the RCC into apostacy.
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http://www.justforcatholics.org/a21.htm
Are Catholics Christian?
Question: Are Catholics Christians? If not, why? This is not a negative question. I desire to honestly know if Catholics are considered to be part of the Christian faith.
Answer: This is a most important question anybody can ask. Am I a Christian? Or am I a Christian in name only? Do I have a living relationship with Christ?
Well then, who has the right to call himself Christian? Like the Jews of old, people still fool themselves in thinking that they are right with God because of some ritual (like circumcision or baptism) or because of their heritage ("I was born into a Christian family and attend a Christian church").
According to the Bible, a true Christian is chosen by God before the foundation of the world, redeemed and forgiven by the blood of Christ, illuminated by the Spirit, knows and obeys the truth of the Gospel. A Christian is someone who trusts in Christ for his salvation, and gives all praise to God for His grace. (Please read Ephesians 1:3-13).
Does a Roman Catholic fit this description? Superficially he does. He believes in Christ and speaks about the grace of God. But if he follows the official teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, regretfully I must say that he does not really believe in Christ nor does he know the grace of God. Please allow me to explain.
The Gospel teaches that "a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law" (Romans 3:28). God regards a person just and righteous who trusts wholeheartedly in Jesus, and who does not attempt to win God's favour by his imperfect obedience of the Law. Sadly, Roman theology has rejected God's way of salvation. To faith, Rome adds a set of deeds (many of which are human inventions) and curses anyone who dares to completely trust in Christ alone for salvation. 'If anyone says that the faith that justifies is nothing else but trust in the divine mercy, which pardons sins because of Christ, or that it is that trust alone by which we are justified, let him be anathema.' (Council of Trent, session 6, cannon 12).
We firmly believe that our sins are pardoned because of the sacrifice of Christ alone. Rome would have us perform acts of penance and suffer in purgatory to expiate our sins. The Bible proclaims Christ, the Priest who offered himself once for all. Rome would have us apply to her priests who daily offer their sacrifices on the altar. The Bible proclaims Christ as the only Mediator, Rome would have us apply to other mediators, like Mary, the saints and the church.
Again, we assert that we are "justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" (Romans 3:24). The Bible clearly defines what grace is: "to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt" (Romans 4:4) Grace is unmerited favour, as opposed to the merit of works. Rome outwardly teaches that we are justified by grace. However the "grace" of Catholicism is a very strange species. The Catholic Church states that "we can then merit for ourselves...the graces needed...for the attainment of eternal life" (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2010). To merit grace is a contradiction in terms. Rome would not allow you to receive the gift of salvation with a grateful heart, but would have you work like a slave to merit it.
We are forced to conclude that the message of Rome is a different gospel. It is a false gospel. I say this with much sadness and concern for the multitudes of Catholics who blindly follow this false system. I must warn every Catholic that Christ is of no avail to you unless you relinquish any confidence in yourself and your works, and in every other creature. Faith must be in Christ - alone!
Having said that, I gladly add the following caveat. There may be some nominal Catholics who, either out of ignorance or willful rejection of Catholic doctrine, truly trust in Christ alone for their salvation. They are Christians and really belong to God.
The book of Revelation describes a deceptive and false religious system named Babylon. It is not my intention here to discuss the exact nature of this Babylon - the principle remains the same. Some Christians are trapped inside this deceptive system and God gives them a specific command: "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues" (Revelation 18:4). Thank God that even in Babylon, God has His people. If you are a Christian entrapped in the false religious system of Rome, hear God's calling and come out of her. You will experience liberty and life like never before.
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The name of this forum is the "Exposing False Teaching", and that is what you are being presented with in this thread, Nan.
From its foundation, its re-grouping after the close of the old 711 Web Cafe, the Christian BBS has stood for the Truth of God's Word, and the basic tenents of the Christian Faith.
The truth is that the Roman Catholic Church presents a false gospel.
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I thought this site was about promoting unity among Christians - not bashing other Christian religions.
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I think everyone has a lot to answer to God. Every one should be concerned about their own salvation and not criticize others
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Originally posted by MentorsRiddle:
But the catholic church has openly admited it has ommited books and kept them at bay...
Not this old chestnut again. Books such as the Gospel of Thomas were junked from the 'authorised' bible as they failed the tests to be included. The early chuch was awash with books written by different sects going off in all sorts of random directions. A good example is the Gnostic gospels, which may a showing in the Da Vinci Code book by Dan Brown.
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Here is an excellent site for understanding the Roman Catholic Church:
http://www.justforcatholics.org/
The Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation comes through the sacraments of the RCC.
The Believer understands that salvation is through faith alone in Christ alone.
Following are several of the doctrinal statements made on Justification at the council of Trent. After each Canon are scriptures that contradict that Canon.
Finally, you will see the word "anathema" used many times by the Council. This means that those who disagree with the doctrines of this Council are cursed. In Gal. 1:8-9, the word "anathema" is used. The curse must come from God. Therefore, we conclude that according to Roman Catholicism, anyone who disagrees with the following Canons are cursed of God. The Roman Catholic church excommunicates those under anathema. In other words, excommunication means being outside the Christian church. Being outside the church means you are not saved.
In spite of what Catholicism states, the Bible speaks differently. Following each Canon is a list of appropriate scriptures countering the Catholic position.
1. CANON 9: "If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema."
"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin" (Rom. 3:20).
B. "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" (Rom. 3:24).
C. "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law" (Rom. 3:28).
D. "For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness" (Rom. 4:3).
E. "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" (Rom. 5:1).
F. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God" (Eph. 2:8).
G. "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" (Titus 3:5).
2. CANON 12: "If any one shall say that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in the divine mercy pardoning sins for Christ's sake, or that it is that confidence alone by which we are justified ... let him be accursed"
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"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name" John 1:12).
A. "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law" (Rom. 3:28).
B. "For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness" (Rom. 4:3).
C. "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he did once, when he offered up himself" (Heb. 7:25-27).
D. For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day" (2 Tim. 1:12).
3. Canon 14: "If any one saith, that man is truly absolved from his sins and justified, because that he assuredly believed himself absolved and justified; or, that no one is truly justified but he who believes himself justified; and that, by this faith alone, absolution and justification are effected; let him be anathema."
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"For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness" (Rom. 4:3).
A. "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" (Rom. 5:1).
4. Canon 23: "lf any one saith, that a man once justified can sin no more, nor lose grace, and that therefore he that falls and sins was never truly justified; or, on the other hand, that he is able, during his whole life, to avoid all sins, even those that are venial,- except by a special privilege from God, as the Church holds in regard of the Blessed Virgin; let him be anathema."
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"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him" (John 3:36).
A. "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day" (John 6:40).
B. "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" (John 10:28).
C. "That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord" (Rom. 5:21).
D. "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us" (1 John 2:19).
E. "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God" (1 John 5:13).
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Canon 24: "If any one saith, that the justice received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema."
. "O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" (Gal. 3:1-3).
A. "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law" (Gal. 5:1-3).
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Canon 30: "If any one saith, that, after the grace of Justification has been received, to every penitent sinner the guilt is remitted, and the debt of eternal punishment is blotted out in such wise, that there remains not any debt of temporal punishment to be discharged either in this world, or in the next in Purgatory, before the entrance to the kingdom of heaven can be opened (to him); let him be anathema."
. "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" (Rom. 5:1).
A. "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross" (Col. 2:13-14).
• Canon 33: "If any one saith, that, by the Catholic doctrine touching Justification, by this holy Synod inset forth in this present decree, the glory of God, or the merits of our Lord Jesus Christ are in any way derogated from, and not rather that the truth of our faith, and the glory in fine of God and of Jesus Christ are rendered (more) illustrious; let him be anathema.
. This council declares that if anyone disagrees with it, they are damned.
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Catholic Catechism
816 "The sole Church of Christ [is that] which our Savior, after his Resurrection, entrusted to Peter's pastoral care, commissioning him and the other apostles to extend and rule it. . . . This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in (subsist it in) the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him."267
The Second Vatican Council's Decree on Ecumenism explains: "For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one Body of Christ into which all those should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the People of God."268
824 United with Christ, the Church is sanctified by him; through him and with him she becomes sanctifying. "All the activities of the Church are directed, as toward their end, to the sanctification of men in Christ and the glorification of God."292 It is in the Church that "the fullness of the means of salvation"293 has been deposited. It is in her that "by the grace of God we acquire holiness."294
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336
882 The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter's successor, "is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful."402 "For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered."403
883 "The college or body of bishops has no authority unless united with the Roman Pontiff, Peter's successor, as its head." As such, this college has "supreme and full authority over the universal Church; but this power cannot be exercised without the agreement of the Roman Pontiff."404
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The Greek word used for rock (petra) is played against Peter (petros). Some use this passage to teach that Peter was the foundation stone of the church, that he had a primacy among the apostles, and that he became bishop of Rome. The verse will scarcely bear the first of these propositions, and certainly none of the others. Peter may be meant by the rock, but he was not the exclusive foundation.
The twelve-fold foundation of the apostles of the church:
Ephesians 2:
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Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
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And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
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In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
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In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
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And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
This seems borne out by the fact that the words spoken unto Peter in Matt. 16:18, were spoken to all of the disciples in Matt. 18:
Matt. 18:
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Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
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Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
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For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
The rock or foundation of the church is the confession (ultimately the doctrine) of the apostles, which became normative for the true church.
The word church (Greek ekklesia), means literally “ a chosen or called out assembly”. Thus the use of the word as a technical term for an assembly or group of believers in Christ was quite natural. It was not viewed as an external organization, denomination, or hierarchical system. The New Testament Church is a local autonomous congregation or an assembly which is a church in and of itself. John writes to 7 churches, in His Revelation, not to one.
Scofield commentary:
16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
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There is the Greek a play upon the words, "thou art Peter petros-- literally 'a little rock', and upon this rock Petra I will build my church." He does not promise to build His church upon Peter, but upon Himself, as Peter is careful to tell us
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2:4 Coming to Him, a living stone--rejected by men but chosen and valuable to God--
2:5 you yourselves, as living stones, are being built into a spiritual house for a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
2:6 For it stands in Scripture: Look! I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and valuable cornerstone, and the one who believes in Him will never be put to shame!
2:7 So the honor is for you who believe; but for the unbelieving, The stone that the builders rejected-- this One has become the cornerstone, and
2:8 A stone that causes men to stumble, and a rock that trips them up. They stumble by disobeying the message; they were destined for this.
2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for His possession, so that you may proclaim the praises of the One who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.
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2 (Greek - ajpovllumi (ek=="out of," kaleo =="to call"), an assembly of called out ones). The word is used of any assembly; the word itself implies no more, as, e.g., the town-meeting at Ephesus Acts 19:39 and Israel, called out of Egypt and assembled in the wilderness Acts 7:38. Israel was a true "church," but not in any sense the N.T. church--the only point of similarity being that both were "called out" and by the same God. All else is contrast.
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No you are not allowed to...
of course you are.
I am simply stating that you are going to disagree with every single thing that I say.
I have delt with people who just like to argue for arguments sake before
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The gift of God dwells within,
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And as for the pop rocks... that is true it happened to me when I was 5.
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kneeling down I kiss your feet,
Grace abounds upon me now,
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The gift of God dwells within,
To this love I now give in.
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I am not going to start another debate on this thread.
Am I not allowed to voice my opinions like you?
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I am not going to start another debate on this thread.
But the catholic church has openly admited it has ommited books and kept them at bay...
History my friend.
This is all public information.
Do the reasearch.
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Did you know that the Catholic Church holds books of the bible in their archive and will not let anyone read them? They do this because it would discredit their power.
If this is true, then how do you know? If you want to hide something, do you tell everyone about it? And the urban legend also says that if you eat pop rocks and soda your head will explode.
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It is not the church that is the problem. It is the doctrine that they preach.
Jesus said that no man may come to the father except through him.
So how come they ask the Mother Mary to forgive their sins when Jesus is the only one who can do that? Why do they pray to saints ( DEAD MEN) when they should be praying to God? It is not the church that is so dangerous. It is the doctrine they teach that is so dangerous.
The bible says that we need an intermediary to speak to God. Now that intermediary is Jesus Christ. But the Catholics have misconstrued this passage to mean that they should pray to the virgin Mary, or Saint Paul, Etc.
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There are always going to be some bad apples but Catholics as a whole are followers of Christ and there are more decent, pious people then the few greedy and powerhungry ones.
The whole Catholic Church is about Power. Ok so peter did start the church. I know people who started wonderful organizations that later turned corrupt because someone decided they wanted more power.
Did you know that the Catholic Church holds books of the bible in their archive and will not let anyone read them? They do this because it would discredit their power.
People in the Catholic church believe they need to go to a priest and confess to be forgiven of their trespasses. This is not true. They need to pray to God through Jesus Christ to be forgiven.
Just because I do a 120 Hail Marries doesn’t mean that God has forgiven me of my sin.
I need to ask him for it.
Not ask a priest.
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I agree with Chuck.
By the way, isn't the Catholic Church the church founded by Peter? Wasn't Peter their first Pope?
There are always going to be some bad apples but Catholics as a whole are followers of Christ and there are more decent, pious people then the few greedy and powerhungry ones. [/QB]
Yes, the church was founded by Peter from my understanding.
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Why would one be so fixed on trying to prove the wrongs or rights of a certain group or religion? After all, aren't we all Christians? And didn't Jesus give us that last command to "love everyone"? Or is my Bible reading tainted and this does not appear there?
The reason I say this is that this post seems to destructive than constructive which I don't think it's very Christian to try and judge or create words to inflict some type of hate or resentment to another Christian group.
It's easy to bash others, anyone can do that!!! But why not let God decide on what to do with them while you focus on serving Him instead of trying to fuel a fire.
I agree with Chuck.
By the way, isn't the Catholic Church the church founded by Peter? Wasn't Peter their first Pope?
There are always going to be some bad apples but Catholics as a whole are followers of Christ and there are more decent, pious people then the few greedy and powerhungry ones.
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Why would one be so fixed on trying to prove the wrongs or rights of a certain group or religion? After all, aren't we all Christians? And didn't Jesus give us that last command to "love everyone"? Or is my Bible reading tainted and this does not appear there?
The reason I say this is that this post seems to destructive than constructive which I don't think it's very Christian to try and judge or create words to inflict some type of hate or resentment to another Christian group.
It's easy to bash others, anyone can do that!!! But why not let God decide on what to do with them while you focus on serving Him instead of trying to fuel a fire.
But again, my thinking may be too simplistic for this group. And for that I apologize.
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The rcc does this with their practices and history:
Praying to Mary DENIES Y'shua and what He accomplished for us.
Praying to dead saints DENIES Y'shua and what He accomplished for us.
Praying for people who already DIED, who's eternal destiny is SETTLED - DENIES the personal need of salvation and repentance - which goes AGAINST what Y'shua taught and did.
Making people PAY to have infants baptized - threatening and scaring them that if they didn't, and the baby died, it won't get to heaven (historical FACT)
DENIES CHRIST.
Offering indulgencies for money DENIES CHRIST.
Attaching ANY condition on forgiveness (done in confessional booths) DENIES the FINALITY of Y'shua's DEATH on the cross.
Bring in PAGAN practices, observances, and tradition DENIES YAHWEH
Killing TRUE saints for trying to bring God's Word to people in their own language (historical FACT) is the WORK OF SATAN - DENYING YAHWEH
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Yahweh warns US that MANY will follow their sensuality - these false teachers lust for power and control.
Many many DO follow these false teachers BLINDLY - and WILL NOT HEED warnings we give, and TRUTH we present.
E)
Yahweh also warns US because of them the way of the truth will be maligned.
And HAS IT EVER - SO SO many lost people equate Christianity with catholicism and WANT NO PART OF IT.
Bring up Christianity to some today and they will reply with the RAMPANT acceptance and covering up of sexual abuse by priests.
F)
So GOOD news though.
Yahweh tells us their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
Their is NO escaping His Judgment and justice
HALLELU YAH
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1.Most Catholics do know that Jesus is the Way and not Mary in spite of this tradition of praying the rosary to Mary. I don't agree with it either, but I have learned it is done to give respect to Mary as the Bible does say that "you are highly favored, and all generations shall call you blessed among women".
I do not understand how they come to the doctrine of Immaculate Conception either as this term refers to Mary being also conceived without sin. This is definitely a serious error and not found in scripture.
2. praying to the dead saints: I learned they do this because of the Bible teaching that the dead in Christ are alive forever. So they believe that since they are alive in heaven, they can ask their help for prayer to Jesus, just as you might ask a Christian friend to pray for you, they ask these dead saints to pray for them to Jesus. So they are NOT praying to the saints, but petitioning the saints to pray for them to God.
2.Praying for the dead's Salvation while not scriptural doesn't negate the need for the Savior.
It shows how much they believe in a Savior.
3,4- scaring people to get infants baptised and making them pay for it and paying for indulgences,
is certainly not scriptural. It's about power and money.
5.Putting conditions on forgiveness may or may not be scriptural. Jesus also put conditions on forgiveness. Refer to the Parables of the wicked servant.
6.Bringing in pagan practices: I guess you are referring to Easter and Christmas, and the use of icons and statues?
I saw a photo of an earthquake in Peru on 1970. A 7.9 magnitude quake. The only structure left standing was a huge statue of Christ, and some of the villagers were saved by climbing the hill where the statue was. You can see the rubble all around it. The statue stands out in stark relief to the landscape.
At the WWC site while workers were trying to find bodies and potentially find more survivors, they came across a sight of two cross beams in the shape of the Cross. I believe this was left standing even today. It was so dramatic that many people felt it was a "sign" from God.
I don't agree with many practices the Catholic do, in having all their icons, but do also see that God can use even that if He wishes.
Killing true saints- I'm sorry to say that the Catholic Church is not the only denomination guilty of that crime.
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There ARE people within the rcc that love Jesus.
My post is AGAINST the leaders and religion.
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I do believe the Catholic Church will have alot to answer to God, for.
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Is Yahweh giving HIS Church a prophetic warning against catholicism through Peter?
2 Peter 2:1-3
(1) But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
(2) Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;
(3) and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
If you look closely at these verses
A)
Yahweh is warning US that false teachers will arise just as false prophets arose among the people in pre-Christ times.
If you have read and studied the books of the Prophets you will see that the FALSE Prophets GREATLY OUT-NUMBERED the Prophets of Yahweh.
In fact in 1st Kings 18 the lone Prophet Elijah was standing against 450 prophets of Baal and 400 prophets of the Asherah.
So I conclude that Yahweh is telling US that false teachers will OUT-NUMBER His TRUE anointed teachers
So the rcc pointing to their size and numbers is NO defense - but rather AN INCITEMENT.
B)
Yahweh warns US that those numerous false teachers will secretly introduce destructive heresies.
When you look at the word secretly introduce in the Greek it means to lead in aside or lay aside
So the destructive heresies of the false teachers is lead in aside of TRUTH.
The rcc does this with their traditions and rituals, laying them along side Yahweh's Word, even giving it EQUAL or GREATER status.
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Yahweh warns us that these numerous false teachers will even be DENYING their Master Y'shua.
The rcc does this with their practices and history:
Praying to Mary DENIES Y'shua and what He accomplished for us.
Praying to dead saints DENIES Y'shua and what He accomplished for us.
Praying for people who already DIED, who's eternal destiny is SETTLED - DENIES the personal need of salvation and repentance - which goes AGAINST what Y'shua taught and did.
Making people PAY to have infants baptized - threatening and scaring them that if they didn't, and the baby died, it won't get to heaven (historical FACT)
DENIES CHRIST.
Offering indulgencies for money DENIES CHRIST.
Attaching ANY condition on forgiveness (done in confessional booths) DENIES the FINALITY of Y'shua's DEATH on the cross.
Bring in PAGAN practices, observances, and tradition DENIES YAHWEH
Killing TRUE saints for trying to bring God's Word to people in their own language (historical FACT) is the WORK OF SATAN - DENYING YAHWEH
D)
Yahweh warns US that MANY will follow their sensuality - these false teachers lust for power and control.
Many many DO follow these false teachers BLINDLY - and WILL NOT HEED warnings we give, and TRUTH we present.
E)
Yahweh also warns US because of them the way of the truth will be maligned.
And HAS IT EVER - SO SO many lost people equate Christianity with catholicism and WANT NO PART OF IT.
Bring up Christianity to some today and they will reply with the RAMPANT acceptance and covering up of sexual abuse by priests.
F)
So GOOD news though.
Yahweh tells us their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
Their is NO escaping His Judgment and justice
HALLELU YAH
Yahweh Elohim WILL NOT Be Mocked
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