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Originally posted by WhiteEagle:
I feel I will need to see the movie myself, even though I didn't want to go. I feel I will need to see it, so I can rebut it from what it is actually trying to say, and not get it second hand from someone else.

We are to be salt and light. Sometimes we have to know what the world is saying so we can address their needs accurately and not make the matter worse by escalating things. So I will see the stupid movie. I want to know the extent of what is lie about.

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Originally posted by becauseHElives:
I don't need to taste poison to no it will kill me!

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Originally posted by David:
I believe we can find all the information we need about The Da Vinci Code without giving them our money to support more of this trash.

Keep the money, buy some tracts.
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Originally posted by hardcore:

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Originally posted by becauseHElives:
I don't need to taste poison to no it will kill me!

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I totally agree.

But when trying to reach others, the first thing they ask is have you read it or seen it for yourself. If I say no, I have no credibility with them to discuss it further.

I have to be able to say "here's what the book or movie says", and "here's what the bible says".

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Good job! I didn't read the book for the same reason I don't want to see the movie, because it is trash. Right now though the movie will be the big issue as more people will be lazy and just watch the movie.

Besides reading the book might take me 8 hours and I can see this movie in 2 hours, less of my time, all the better.

Unfortunately, for some things in this world, to reach people one needs to get on their wavelength.

Jesus went to the people who were not allowed to go to the Temple due to their illness, or to their sin.

As Christians should we do any less?

I know an elderly Christian lady who was in her 80's that used to go the local jail and visit with young men and bring them mittens she knitted. She was kind of tough and abrasive, but she had a love on her that I'm sure reached those young men in jail. I'll wager some of them even made fun of her when she left. But I also believe that they never forgot her visits.
I believe God used her to reach those young men, and even if they perhaps didn't have a soft heart then, who knows what God will do?
 

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Posted by wparr (Member # 891) on :
 
Thinking you have to go WATCH the movie to witness against it is fleshy worldly thinking, and seriously FLAWED.

I don't have to read the koran or goto a mosque to witness to muslums.

I don't have to try drugs to proclaim the truyh to a drug addict.

The problem is that we become so focused and bogged down with refutting lies of the world and satan, rather than proclaiming TRUTH.

We will be in a never ending battle if we try to learn all the lies and refute them.


Our call is

Make Disciples.

Proclaim The Gospel.
 

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Posted by WhiteEagle (Member # 3728) on :
 

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Originally posted by wparr:
Thinking you have to go WATCH the movie to witness against it is fleshy worldly thinking, and seriously FLAWED.

I don't have to read the koran or goto a mosque to witness to muslums.

I don't have to try drugs to proclaim the truyh to a drug addict.

The problem is that we become so focused and bogged down with refutting lies of the world and satan, rather than proclaiming TRUTH.

We will be in a never ending battle if we try to learn all the lies and refute them.


Our call is

Make Disciples.

Proclaim The Gospel.

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I know most are so busy being "bibically correct", (which can be the same thing as "politically correct",) that they strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.


If a missionary goes to Dafur, I believe they would probably need to learn the language and culture. Correct?

If a person does missions for drug addicts, you don't have to be a former drug addict, TRUE, but you had better be able to talk on their level.

If someone wants to witness to the rich and famous, one needs to also be able to talk their language.

The Gospel never changes, but we are to be all things to all people that God calls us to witness to.
 

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Posted by Itty-Bitty Girl (Member # 4579) on :
 

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Originally posted by WhiteEagle:

The Gospel never changes, but we are to be all things to all people that God calls us to witness to.

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What is "all things"? Can you define this for me?


 

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Posted by David (Member # 1) on :
 
You can find more then enough information to know that the move it wrong. Going to it only shows people you support it.

People that see you going and know you claim to be a Christian will be confused.

I don't know why any one would want to get saved, just because you went to see a known ungodly movie.

I sure don't want to tell people I went and supported this trash. I am sure you can find better ways to witness to others then going to such movies that bad mouth our Lord Jesus Christ.

Do you have to commite adultery in order to witness to someone that has. I sure hope not. And I really don't think, knowing you claim to be a Christian they would expect you to do so. The world is watching us and they really want us to try and live a good life.

OH, well just my two cents....


 

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Posted by Itty-Bitty Girl (Member # 4579) on :
 

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Originally posted by David:


Do you have to commite adultery in order to witness to someone that has. I sure hope not. And I really don't think, knowing you claim to be a Christian they would expect you to do so. The world is watching us and they really want us to try and live a good life.

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Amen David, you are on point!

 

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Posted by Chaplain Bob (Member # 5019) on :
 
If your faith is firmly rooted in Jesus Christ then the film or anything else that is happening today will not harm you and should not surprise you as it was predicted in Scripture.

Frankly, as one who spent many years in the movie theatre business, I can tell you the more you publically protest the film the more business it will do.
 

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Posted by Itty-Bitty Girl (Member # 4579) on :
 

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Originally posted by Chaplain Bob:

Frankly, as one who spent many years in the movie theatre business, I can tell you the more you publically protest the film the more business it will do.

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Originally posted by David:
You can find more then enough information to know that the move it wrong. Going to it only shows people you support it.

People that see you going and know you claim to be a Christian will be confused.

I don't know why any one would want to get saved, just because you went to see a known ungodly movie.

I sure don't want to tell people I went and supported this trash. I am sure you can find better ways to witness to others then going to such movies that bad mouth our Lord Jesus Christ.

Do you have to commite adultery in order to witness to someone that has. I sure hope not. And I really don't think, knowing you claim to be a Christian they would expect you to do so. The world is watching us and they really want us to try and live a good life.

OH, well just my two cents....

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Originally posted by Chaplain Bob:
If your faith is firmly rooted in Jesus Christ then the film or anything else that is happening today will not harm you and should not surprise you as it was predicted in Scripture.

Frankly, as one who spent many years in the movie theatre business, I can tell you the more you publically protest the film the more business it will do.

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Originally posted by WhiteEagle:

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Originally posted by Chaplain Bob:
If your faith is firmly rooted in Jesus Christ then the film or anything else that is happening today will not harm you and should not surprise you as it was predicted in Scripture.

Frankly, as one who spent many years in the movie theatre business, I can tell you the more you publically protest the film the more business it will do.

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Very true!

The world looks at Christians and if we appear to be afraid of this movie, it will not be a good thing.


Go into the Lion's den...finally my brethern "Be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might."
Eph. 6:10 and put on the whole armour of God.

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Originally posted by WhiteEagle:

In my circle, I wouldn't be credible, if I didn't see it.

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Originally posted by WhiteEagle:
The world looks at Christians and if we appear to be afraid of this movie, it will not be a good thing.

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I sure did not say I was afraid of this movie. But I did say I don't think one (meaning a born-again follower of Jesus Christ) should give their money to go see it, KNOWING it is trash. This only supports the movie and shows non-believers that we don't care what people say about our Lord Jesus Christ, if we shall go see it any way. If you did go see it and get the the blastheming parts and don't get up and walk out, I would think something is wrong and the person should think on where they really know and love Jesus Christ. I know I would not go see something that talked badly about my wife.
 

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Posted by hardcore (Member # 4492) on :
 
The author of the above article starts by saying:
"I cannot understand how anyone that calls himself a Christian could have any interest or fascination at all with Dan Brown’s The DaVinci Code."

Does he include himself in this group of Christians that he can't understand?

How did Mr. Yulish write this article without reading the book?

And why write the article if we're not supposed to have interest or fascination with it?

Did the author write the article because he didn't have interest?

How could he possibly write an accurate assessment of Dan Brown's claims unless he did?

How could any of the Christian authors who have written rebuttals of the DaVinci Code done so without reading it?

How could their rebuttals be taken seriously if they hadn't read the book?

If they haven't read the book, what is the basis for their rebuttal?

This author also said:
"First of all, one must realize that Brown and his supporters do not want the truth."

For some this may be true. But it is not true of all and is wrong to make such a blanket statement. Not all book readers and movie goers are die hard Brown supporters who "do not want the truth". Most of them are probably typical sheeple who have no idea what they really believe and are simply looking for good entertainment. They will be swayed by the story because it is well done.

Another quote from the author:
"I have been told that Dan Brown’s book The DaVinci Code is thus also."

I guess this brings home my point. Where is his credibility for writing this article if he hasn't read the book that he's writing about?

If one of my unsaved friends read this article, they would immediately toss it out as rubbish the minute they read this statement. You and I know he's right. But whether he's right or wrong doesn't matter to my unsaved reader. He loses all credibility the minute he admits he hasn't even read the book.
 

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Posted by WhiteEagle (Member # 3728) on :
 
Hardcore:

I guess we at least agree about this.


Jesus had meals with the publicans and the sinners. They may have even said something "wrong" or even blasphemous in Jesus presence. But Jesus only accused the Pharisees of blasphemy.

When our culture gets all excited about something such as this movie the da Vinci Code, then we are already in the LION"S DEN whether we want to be there or not. ( Get it! itty bitty! ) We can't just ignore something and pretend it don't affect anything and hope it will go away.

Christians did that in the 1970's and Abortion became a fixed national law of right. Up to the 9th month of pregnancy, because Christians were TOO GOOD TO DEAL WITH IT!


We're in the Lion's Den by living in this old World, honey.
 

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Posted by WhiteEagle (Member # 3728) on :
 
My other scriptural reference is Joshua.

He sent spies into Jericho. He sent spies to search out the weakness of their enemies.

I think of this venture in the same way. Going into the enemy camp and seeking out it's weakness.

If Joshua used those tactics, It's good enough for me.
 

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Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 

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Originally posted by WhiteEagle:
( Get it! itty bitty! )

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That was a bit 'sharp,' don't ya think?
 

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Posted by hardcore (Member # 4492) on :
 

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Originally posted by WhiteEagle:
Hardcore:

I guess we at least agree about this.

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Originally posted by WhiteEagle:

Jesus had meals with the publicans and the sinners. They may have even said something "wrong" or even blasphemous in Jesus presence. But Jesus only accused the Pharisees of blasphemy.

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Originally posted by WhiteEagle:

When our culture gets all excited about something such as this movie the da Vinci Code, then we are already in the LION"S DEN whether we want to be there or not. ( Get it! itty bitty! ) We can't just ignore something and pretend it don't affect anything and hope it will go away.

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Originally posted by WhiteEagle:
My other scriptural reference is Joshua.

He sent spies into Jericho. He sent spies to search out the weakness of their enemies.

I think of this venture in the same way. Going into the enemy camp and seeking out it's weakness.

If Joshua used those tactics, It's good enough for me.

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Originally posted by wparr:

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Originally posted by WhiteEagle:

In my circle, I wouldn't be credible, if I didn't see it.

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If you have to see this movie to have "credibility" then you have NONE in your cirle

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LOL. I like that, that's hard. I'd like to see more stuff like that on here, yo.


 

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Posted by Eduardo Grequi (Member # 3984) on :
 
I am confortable in my belief to know that a movie can not sway me from believing in non-scriptural garbage. It is quite canny that all these things come out these last few years to discredit the Christian Bible and the Deity of Jesus the Christ. If I have the chance to watch it, afterall it would be entertaining. To understand the enemy, is to understand the concepts behind what motivates such thoughts. Imagine if you will Secular Psychologist based their care on- "There is No Hope" Christian Psychologist say there is an absolute and there is a hope and a purpose. Since I have been studying Psychology and Counseling most people I come into contact with have problems of loneliness, and not being accepted. Da Vinci Code tries to put a twist on the humanity of Jesus that he could be married etc.. BUT THE BIBLE, DID NOT TAKE TIME OUT TO GIVE THAT PIECE OF iNFORMATION. Therefore, I will not dare to add this to the cannon of scripture.
 

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Posted by hardcore (Member # 4492) on :
 

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Originally posted by Itty-Bitty Girl:

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Originally posted by wparr:

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Originally posted by WhiteEagle:

In my circle, I wouldn't be credible, if I didn't see it.

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If you have to see this movie to have "credibility" then you have NONE in your cirle

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LOL. I like that, that's hard. I'd like to see more stuff like that on here, yo.

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With all due respect to wparr (and I do have a GREAT deal of respect for him), I do not agree with his above statement.

I have a great deal of credibility within my circle and it's because I do not behave as they expect a Christian to behave. My husband and I are the "cool" Christians. Why? Not because we water anything down, but because we treat them with respect and because we stand firm on our beliefs.

We meet them at their level. This is how we reach them. This is why they listen to us. Bible thumping does not work with this group.

It's because I would not attempt to dispute a book I hadn't read, that they have respect for me.
 

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Posted by Itty-Bitty Girl (Member # 4579) on :
 
What is "bible thumping"?


 

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Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :
 
Cory and White Eagle I agree with you, both on this. If you are going to speak intelligently with someone who has read it or seen it, you need to know what they have read and seen.

None of this information that is available with regard to apologetics against the Da Vinci Code would be available if some Christian did not watch it or read it.

As you have said, there are some who have no business seeing it as they are not of strong faith or grounded in the word, but some I believe are called to apologetics on these things and need to know what they are talking about.

I also agree with David about spending our money supporting this kind of thing and that we should not do this, but there are alternatives. My husband got the book for .25 at a garage sale. You can check it out from the library, etc..

I also think that Walt is correct regarding our witness and we need to take great care not to be viewed as supporting such as this by the world....
 

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Posted by Itty-Bitty Girl (Member # 4579) on :
 
Can't we just ignore the movie...? Can't we just preach the gospel...?

Can't we just preach the gospel to the lost instead of debating some blasphemous film?


 

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Posted by SrvnHim (Member # 5439) on :
 

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Originally posted by Eduardo Grequi:
Da Vinci Code tries to put a twist on the humanity of Jesus that he could be married etc.. BUT THE BIBLE, DID NOT TAKE TIME OUT TO GIVE THAT PIECE OF iNFORMATION. Therefore, I will not dare to add this to the cannon of scripture.

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AMEN!!
 

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Posted by Itty-Bitty Girl (Member # 4579) on :
 

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Originally posted by SrvnHim:

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Originally posted by Eduardo Grequi:
Da Vinci Code tries to put a twist on the humanity of Jesus that he could be married etc.. BUT THE BIBLE, DID NOT TAKE TIME OUT TO GIVE THAT PIECE OF iNFORMATION. Therefore, I will not dare to add this to the cannon of scripture.

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AMEN!!

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Originally posted by helpforhomeschoolers:
Cory and White Eagle I agree with you, both on this. If you are going to speak intelligently with someone who has read it or seen it, you need to know what they have read and seen.

None of this information that is available with regard to apologetics against the Da Vinci Code would be available if some Christian did not watch it or read it.

As you have said, there are some who have no business seeing it as they are not of strong faith or grounded in the word, but some I believe are called to apologetics on these things and need to know what they are talking about.

I also agree with David about spending our money supporting this kind of thing and that we should not do this, but there are alternatives. My husband got the book for .25 at a garage sale. You can check it out from the library, etc..

I also think that Walt is correct regarding our witness and we need to take great care not to be viewed as supporting such as this by the world.

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Originally posted by Itty-Bitty Girl:
Can't we just ignore the movie...? Can't we just preach the gospel...?

Can't we just preach the gospel to the lost instead of debating some blasphemous film?

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We can ignore it until an unsaved person wants to discuss it with us. Then we need to be able to discuss it intelligently, and use it as an opportunity to share the gospel.

It's called engaging the culture.

If I started preaching to my audience without discussing, or refusing to discuss what they are interested in as well, that would be bible thumping. It's a matter of mutual respect. Without it, they wouldn't listen to a word I said.
 

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Posted by Study (Member # 3991) on :
 
When asked, have you seen the movie? Respond with have you read the Bible? Just my 2 cents worth.
 

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Posted by Itty-Bitty Girl (Member # 4579) on :
 
I'll talk about the gospel, forget some blasphemous film... I don't have to discuss some blasphemous film.

But I will preach the word, though.

I don't want to hear what nobody got to say about that stupid movie.

If I'm evangelizing, and somebody want to talk about some davinci code... I will pass them by and preach to somebody who wanna hear the gospel, not talk about some blasphemous offensive stuff.

All you got to do is preach the word.
 

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Posted by Itty-Bitty Girl (Member # 4579) on :
 

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Originally posted by Study:
When asked, have you seen the movie? Respond with have you read the Bible? Just my 2 cents worth.

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Yo, I like that!
 

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Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 

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Originally posted by Study:
When asked, have you seen the movie? Respond with have you read the Bible? Just my 2 cents worth.

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LOL! AMEN Study!!!
 

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Posted by Eduardo Grequi (Member # 3984) on :
 
I meet people each day that say they are gods because they quote,"I have the blood line of Jesus". I also meet people who say they are Jesus.

We should never brush aside things. Look what we are enduring nowadays in American Society, One issue, " I have two Daddys and two Mommies"
A Man Can Love Another Man- It is just different"
Oh it is okay to have an abortion, because I did it.

Jesus must have been married- He was a Rabbi.
But Get this- He was never commissioned as a Rabbi through the Levitical Rite (Humanly Speaking). Since Jesus is truly God- HE NEEDS NO HUMAN APPROVAL!

I do not accept that Jesus was married, because He had no need to spread his seed because HE IS ETERNALLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER.

WE PROCREATE TO FILL THE EARTH because of death that takes people.

IF ADAM AND EVE DID NOT PROCREATE- HUMANS WOULD HAD DIED OUT IN LESS THAN A THOUSAND YEARS FROM THE POINT OF THE CREATED BEINGS.

I AM NOT ETERNALLY BEGOTTEN, I will die because of sin. JESUS CHOSE to be APPROPIATION FOR SINS. HE COULD HAD THE CUP REMOVED, and salvation as we know would never exist.

I do believe though there are people who have Mary's and Joseph's blood line, but not Jesus'.
 

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Posted by hardcore (Member # 4492) on :
 

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Originally posted by Itty-Bitty Girl:
If I'm evangelizing, and somebody want to talk about some davinci code... I will pass them by and preach to somebody who wanna hear the gospel, not talk about some blasphemous offensive stuff.

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Originally posted by hardcore:


That tells me that they're searching, and I most certainly would not "pass them by".

It is fine if you are not led to pursue this subject, but there will be many Christians who are.

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Yo, how do you know if they are really searching for God or searching for a debate...? I think if somebody really wanted to hear the gospel, then they wouldn't even bring up the stupid davinci code.
 

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Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
There are Good and Valid points on both side of this issue from what I can see... I think it would be good for each to hold to their own convictions on this and just agree to disagree... Sound like a plan?

That's my .02 Cents
 

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Posted by Chaplain Bob (Member # 5019) on :
 
Yes, some good points have been made. But I don't believe there's all that much to worry about. How much damage did "The Last Temptation Of Christ" or "Jesus Christ Superstar" do. Frankly, I believe more damage is being done to the cause of Christ by some of those who claim to be His than all the blasphemous movies ever filmed.
 

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Posted by hardcore (Member # 4492) on :
 

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Originally posted by Itty-Bitty Girl:
I think if somebody really wanted to hear the gospel, then they wouldn't even bring up the stupid davinci code.

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Originally posted by Chaplain Bob:
Yes, some good points have been made. But I don't believe there's all that much to worry about. How much damage did "The Last Temptation Of Christ" or "Jesus Christ Superstar" do. Frankly, I believe more damage is being done to the cause of Christ by some of those who claim to be His than all the blasphemous movies ever filmed.

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Originally posted by helpforhomeschoolers:
It is ironic to me that the same people who would scream "Have you read the Purpose Driven Life?" if I were to speak against Warren, and pooh pooh me if I had not, would now pooh pooh me for reading the Da Vinci Code before I spoke against it or it's author. We are told that it is wrong to not having read Warren ourselves to rely on other people's works regarding him, but yet when the author is Brown we are to use the information out there and not seek to know for ourselves the truth of what he has or has not written.

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You are right. I had forgotten about that.

Double standard.
 

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Posted by David (Member # 1) on :
 
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. - Philippians 4:8

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. - 2 Corinthians 6:14-18

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. - Rom. 8:6

Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life. Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee. Let thine eyes look right on, and let thine eyelids look straight before thee. Ponder the path of thy feet, and let all thy ways be established. Turn not to the right hand nor to the left: remove thy foot from evil. - Proverbs 4:23-27

Just reading the bible and pondering what it means.


 

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Posted by trafield (Member # 5358) on :
 

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Why is this book any different than any other?

I can tell you that God created the earth in 6 literal days and yes, indeed, I need no more credibility to say that than the fact that God has said it.

But, if I am going to say to you a physicist that the Biblical account of creation does not violate the Laws of Thermodynamics, then I wont have much credibility if I have no earthly idea about what Newton thought or taught.

Do I refuse to know anything of Newton's work because he was a unitarian? Do I never open my mouth to witness to a physicist should one cross my path in this life?

You can say that you don't have to see poop to know it smells, but the truth is we all know poop smells because we all defecate and we have all seen it.

You can say to me that Islam is a religion of peace and I might believe you, had I never read the Koran. I have read the Koran and I know that Islam is not a religion of peace and those many would label fanatical are not fanatical, but fundamental believers in their religion.

There are people who speak about what the Bible says who have never read it too. My experience is that they misrepresent the Bible and that hurts the witness of God and Christ in the world. I see them in about the same light as I see someone who would say that Dan Brown is a heretic, not knowing what Dan Brown has said.

It is ironic to me that the same people who would scream "Have you read the Purpose Driven Life?" if I were to speak against Warren, and pooh pooh me if I had not, would now pooh pooh me for reading the Da Vinci Code before I spoke against it or it's author. We are told that it is wrong to not having read Warren ourselves to rely on other people's works regarding him, but yet when the author is Brown we are to use the information out there and not seek to know for ourselves the truth of what he has or has not written.

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To be honest, I think it is ironic, and a little scary that you would criticize Warren in the same argument for defending the watching of this blasphemous movie or the reading of the book.

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Lest you forget...we live by faith and not by sight. And faith being the substance of things hoped for and the assurance of things unseen, if you really think you are going to be a better witness of the Light because you learn more about darkness, then you are deceiving yourself.

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Helpforhome,
As you said why is this book (movie)any different? Would you think it okay if your husband researches Playboy magazine and pornographic films so that he could learn more how to witness to those addicted to pornography?

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Originally posted by helpforhomeschoolers:
Hi Tracy:

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To be honest, I think it is ironic, and a little scary that you would criticize Warren in the same argument for defending the watching of this blasphemous movie or the reading of the book.

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I said it is ironic to me...it seems inconsistant to me that we would on one hand criticize a person for speaking against a book like the PDL because they had not read it and on the other criticise someone for reading The Da Vinci code before speaking against it.

I have seen this and I think it is odd...inconsistant, ironic.

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Originally posted by helpforhomeschoolers:
I am beating a dead horse. This is my opinion, we all have them.. You can think what you will of me for having the one I have.

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I don't think any different of you over this. To be honest, I'm not exactly sure what your opinion is , as you agreed with points from both sides. I think you did end up agreeing with the reading it to have credibility.

I can see the point of both sides also. I have no intention of watching the movie or reading the book. At this point, no one in my circle of influence has ever brought it up. It doesn't seem to be that big of a deal around here.
 

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Posted by David (Member # 1) on :
 
So I would suggest if you are going to go see the movie or read the book, not suggesting that others do the same.

Although we have incredible liberty as christians, we are servants of all. If something we are at liberty to do offends an unsaved person, we must stop doing it, for the sake of the gospel. It has been well said that if Paul saw a Jew, he would hide his ham sandwich behind his back. We need to walk in that same spirit.

But take heed lest by any means this
liberty of yours become a stumblingblock
to them that are weak. - 1 Cor 8:9
 

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Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 

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Originally posted by David:
So I would suggest if you are going to go see the movie or read the book, not suggesting that others do the same.

Although we have incredible liberty as christians, we are servants of all. If something we are at liberty to do offends an unsaved person, we must stop doing it, for the sake of the gospel. It has been well said that if Paul saw a Jew, he would hide his ham sandwich behind his back. We need to walk in that same spirit.

But take heed lest by any means this
liberty of yours become a stumblingblock
to them that are weak. - 1 Cor 8:9

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Amen Brother, that is Advice with Much Wisdom
 

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Posted by Kindgo (Member # 2) on :
 
I came across this and thought I would throw it out here....


John MacArthur's Take on the DaVinci Code

Dan Brown and The Da Vinci Code

How Should Christians Respond?


Dan Brown is an author with an agenda. He wants to revive ancient paganism and restore goddess worship to the world’s patriarchal religions. His bestselling novel, The Da Vinci Code, is a blatant attempt to overturn the historic record of God’s loving redemption with a tale of sex, intrigue, and conspiracy. To him, Christianity is nothing more than a patriarchal cover-up of the sacred feminine. Brown offers a feminine divinity reminiscent of the Garden of Eden—the same old temptation for a new age. Although Brown has attacked the Bible and the Lord Jesus Christ, Christians should not view the revival of paganism as a threat, but rather as an opportunity for the gospel.


Dan Brown’s bestselling novel, The Da Vinci Code, is hitting the big screen this summer in a flurry of fanfare and controversy. That spells major success, in the millions, for Sony Pictures, director Ron Howard, and actor Tom Hanks. Dan Brown has already cashed in on the book—putting over $75 million into his bank account. With a chart-busting novel and millions in the bank, Brown is already fighting off the plagiarism hunters, one price of riches and fame.


Christians have a dog in this fight too. At stake is something more valuable than money—the truth about the Bible, the honor of Christ, and the eternal destiny of human souls are at stake. Dan Brown has drawn a line in the sand with his ideas, in the pages of The Da Vinci Code. That’s where Christians must show up in full armor, on the battleground of ideas. “We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God” to take “every thought captive to the obedience of Christ” (2 Corinthians 10:4-5).


Dan Brown Has a Pagan, Feminist Agenda

Dan Brown wants the world’s religions to return to the pre-Christian worship of gods and goddesses. This is a revival of paganism.

In 2004, Dan Brown spoke before the New Hampshire Writer’s Project about his quest to write The Da Vinci Code. That speech clarifies his purpose in writing—it’s more than just a story to him. Brown wants the world and its religions to return to the pre-Christian tolerance of goddess worship. Here’s what he said about the point of the entire novel, a point that he laments many people are missing:


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Prior to two thousand years ago, we lived in a world of gods and goddesses. Today we live in a world solely of gods. Women in most cultures have been stripped of their spiritual power, and our male dominated philosophies of absolutism have a long history of violence and bloodshed which continues to this day. I simply wrote a story that explores how and why this shift might have occurred, what it says about our past; and more importantly, what it says about our future. As I said earlier, history is written by the winners. The details are long lost, and in many cases, impossible to know. We can challenge and debunk details forever, but the fact remains in the major religions of the world women remain second class citizens. Why can’t there be women priests? Why is this even an issue?[1]
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Dan Brown is a self-proclaimed Christian, but not of the Bible-believing variety. He is a cultural Christian, a nominal Christian, who has rejected biblical absolutes and embraced the questioning skepticism of postmodernism.


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(I)f you ask three people what it means to be a Christian, you will get three different answers. Some feel it is sufficient simply to be baptized into a Christian church. Others feel you must accept the Bible as immutable, historical fact. Still others require a belief that all those who do not accept Christ as personal savior are doomed to hell. Faith is a continuum. We all fall on that line wherever we may fall, and by attempting to classify, and rigidly classify, ethereal concepts like faith, we end up debating the semantics to the point where we entirely miss the obvious. That is, that we are all trying to decipher life’s big mysteries—Where did we come from? What happens when we die, where are we going? What does all of this mean? And each of us must follow our own path to enlightenment. [2]
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Brown is quite willing to debate the issues, but don’t expect him to accept absolutes. He said,


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The world is a big place, and now more than ever there is enormous danger in believing we are infallible, that our version of the truth is absolute, that everyone who does not think like we do is wrong, and therefore an enemy. […] Everyone is entitled to believe what they believe. If you find someone’s ideas absurd or offensive, just listen to somebody else. [3]
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Dan Brown doesn’t want to get caught up in “debating the semantics,” he prefers to talk in broad concepts. That’s evident in his novel. Though he purports to have based the book on extensive research, the most important part of the book—where he communicates his fundamental thesis—is filled with embarrassing factual errors.


The Da Vinci Code Is Blatantly Anti-Christian

Dan Brown wants to overturn the historic record of God’s loving redemption with a tale of sex, intrigue, and conspiracy. He wants you to see Christianity as a patriarchal cover-up of the sacred feminine.


For his “Christian” readers who have grown up hearing the Bible’s truth claims, Brown knows he has his work cut out for him. He faces the rather large task of turning Christianity on its head and restoring the sacred feminine to the world. The crucial scene for his purpose has the protagonists, Robert Langdon and Sophie Neveu, learning secret “truths” from historian Sir Leigh Teabing. There in Teabing’s library, Brown unfolds his central thesis through the character Teabing.


Ready?


Teabing tells the uninitiated Sophie that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were lovers. At the crucifixion, Mary was pregnant with the child of their union. Aided by Joseph of Arimathea, Jesus’ uncle, she fled to France to give birth to a daughter named Sarah. That’s important because Jesus and Mary Magdalene were both of royal lineage (he says Mary was of the tribe of Benjamin). The royal bloodline continued to advance quietly for a few hundred years until it intermarried with French royal blood, creating the Merovingian bloodline.


According to Teabing, the emperor Constantine and the “founders” of Christianity knew about Jesus, Mary, and the royal offspring. To maintain the positions of power afforded by a patriarchal church and state, Constantine suppressed the “truth” about the royal couple, smeared Mary’s reputation by calling her a ***** , and foisted the myth of Jesus’ divinity upon the world.


The Brown/Teabing thesis asserts that Constantine canonized the myth of Jesus’ divinity in the Bible. At the Council of Nicea, Constantine and a group of bishops voted on which books would be included in the canon. Afterward Constantine tried to suppress and destroy the rest, thereby safeguarding the precious patriarchy for the good of the Roman Empire.


The wild tale continues with an indictment of organized Christianity. Church leaders, secret societies, and ignorant masses have allegedly continued through the centuries as co-conspirators in perpetuating the divine Jesus myth. They thus uphold patriarchy and suppress the rightful role of the goddess and the veneration of the sacred feminine. The founders of Christianity and its leaders have always known the “truth” and have been relentless in silencing anyone who seeks to uncover the truth.


Teabing praises enlightened souls like Leonardo Da Vinci who had the courage to question and challenge the system. Da Vinci and others encoded their works of art with clues to discovering the ancient secrets about Jesus, Mary Magdalene, and the royal bloodline. In the spirit of Da Vinci, enlightened and courageous souls of today can use his clues, supported by the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Gnostic texts at Nag Hammadi, to uncover the insidious conspiracy, educate the ignorant masses, and restore the long-suppressed worship of the goddess.


The Da Vinci Code Retells the Tale of an Ancient Liar

Dan Brown offers a feminine divinity reminiscent of the Garden of Eden—the same old temptation for a new age.


That’s quite a tale, but it’s not at all new. As Dan Brown says, “I am not the first person to tell the story of Mary Magdalene and the Holy Grail. This idea is centuries old. I am one in a long line of people who has offered up this alternative history.” He’s right. In fact, the line of people offering up “alternative history” began with Satan.


In the Garden of Eden, Satan seduced Eve with an “alternative history” that cast doubt on God’s character and Word. Into a perfect world of truth and absolutes, Satan asked the first question: “Indeed, has God said…?” He then told her a new tale; interestingly, it was also a story about the divine feminine. Satan told Eve, “God knows that in the day you eat from [the forbidden tree] your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God” (Genesis 3:5). Eve ate that fruit, as did Adam, and every human being since has had their eyes opened to the guilt, shame, pain, and death that results from sin.


The fundamental premise of Dan Brown’s novel is rooted in sinful skepticism. He encourages the reader to question the truth, to question Christ’s claims, to question the Bible. Brown tells a story in which Jesus is not who He said He is and God’s Word is not to be trusted. He then fills the authority vacuum with his ridiculous fable about Jesus, Mary Magdalene, the Holy Grail, and the sacred feminine.


Brown is not just writing a good piece of fiction—he’s on a spiritual quest. He isn’t an honest seeker either; he is committed to disbelieving the Bible and Jesus’ claims of divinity. In the words of his fictional Teabing, “The Bible is a product of man, my dear. Not of God. The Bible did not fall magically from the clouds. Man created it as a historical record of tumultuous times, and it has evolved through countless translations, additions, and revisions. History has never had a definitive version of the book.” [4]


Dan Brown’s disbelief about the Bible is a product of his commitment to historical skepticism. In his speech at the New Hampshire Writer’s Project, he said,


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First, when we read and interpret history, we are not interpreting the historical events themselves. We are interpreting written accounts of those events. In essence, we are interpreting people’s interpretations. And second, since the beginning of recorded time, history has always been written by the winners—those societies and belief systems that conquered and survived. Despite the obvious bias in this accounting method, we still measure the historical accuracy of a given concept by examining how well it concurs with our existing historical record. I should add that many historians now believe that in engaging the historical accuracy of concepts we should first ask ourselves a far deeper question: How historically accurate is history itself? In most cases we’ll never know the answer but that should not stop us from asking the questions. [5]
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But the Bible is not merely a product of man. “But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God” (2 Peter 1:20-21). Though written by men, the Bible is God’s Word. “All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16). Dan Brown has moved beyond harmless fiction to challenge the Word of God and redefine Jesus according to his own idolatrous, blasphemous image. He has questioned God, cast doubt on His Word, and dismissed the sovereign claims of Christ.


Far-fetched tales with fanciful, conspiratorial claims have circulated for years. The general public dismissed them as such because they never gave much credence to something as unscientific as religion. Today, however, the climate is different. Cold, rational secularism has given birth to a nebulous, undefined spirituality. Dan Brown, a spokesman for that new spirituality, says, “What I have finally come to accept is that science and religion are partners. They are simply two different languages attempting to tell the same story. Both are manifestations of man’s quest to understand the divine. While science dwells on the answers, religion savors the questions.” [6]


Christians Should Use The Da Vinci Code As an Opportunity for the Gospel

Even though Dan Brown has attacked the Bible and the Lord Jesus Christ, Christians should not view the revival of paganism as a threat, but rather as an opportunity for the gospel.


The Da Vinci Code—novel, movie, media sensation—enters into a post-Christian climate. Whether it’s Dan Brown, Ron Howard, Tom Hanks, proponents of the divine feminine, secularists, and neo-pagans, non-Christians are co-conspirators in a cosmic rebellion against God. Nevertheless, they are our mission field. Were it not for the wondrous grace of God, you would be among them.


As you encounter people influenced by The Da Vinci Code, remember what the Bible says about the unbelievers, and have compassion. “[T]he god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God” (2 Corinthians 4:4). They are “futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart [is] darkened” (Romans 1:21). They are “dead in [their] trespasses and sins”; they walk “according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience”; and they are “by nature children of wrath” (Ephesians 2:1-3).


How should you respond? With zeal for the truth of Christ and the authority of God’s Word, you must defend the integrity, the veracity, and the authority of the Bible. Don’t worry; it’s not hard. Brown’s “extensive research” failed to produce accuracy on the simplest details of the Bible and church history. Take a little of your time to Read Albert Mohler’s commentary (albertmohler.com/commenta...006-04-12) and James White’s analysis (www.aomin.org/tdvc.html ). Prepare yourself to give an answer to those exposed to the book, the movie, or the media coverage.


Your commitment to see God honored in the culture should be manifest first of all in your testimony about Christ, “who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth; while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously” (1 Peter 2:23). In a spirit of gentleness, correct those who deny Jesus’ claims on their life (2 Timothy 2:24-26) and call them to repentance and the obedience of faith.


The current popularity of The Da Vinci Code is your opportunity to talk with friends and family, neighbors, co-workers, and even strangers about the topics Dan Brown has raised in his story. Embrace the challenge of The Da Vinci Code with compassion for hell-bound sinners, and seize this time as an evangelistic opportunity for the Kingdom of God.
 

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Posted by WhiteEagle (Member # 3728) on :
 
Kingo:

I've Always found John MacArthur to be solid and agree with his aritcle.

Just like Evolution sought to rewrite Bibical Creation and the timeline that God set out in Genesis, so do people like the author of the da Vinci Code seek to rewrite history under the illusion of truth seeking and overturning the fables of the Bible. They think of the Bible as a mythic book and are very determined to prove it so.

We've seen what has happened with Evolution since Darwin's time. Most secular and even some Christians are convinced that Evolution and the billions of years is the reality and not the Genesis account.

With the da Vinci code: the target is Jesus.

In the past people have tried to say He never existed, or that he really didn't rise from the dead, or that he wasn't really the Son of God, etc.

This one is trickier. It just makes Jesus look more human by marrying Mary Magdalene. It makes the church as the villans for covering up the "truth". In fact the Church even tries to kill people who are uncovering this truth. It makes Leonardo da Vinci look like a beleagered, but intelligent martyr that slyly finds a way to get the truth out.

(I haven't even read the book, but that's my guestimate of the plot) Am I right Hardcore?

So the plot pretends that Jesus' reputation is still "good", but he just happened to have married a woman. It was the later church leaders who felt it needed to covered up, and these "evil" church leaders glorified Jesus' reputation beyond what it really was.

(Hardcore, is this close to how the book goes?)

Anyway, the da vinci code is just one of many insiduous books out there now, that try to rewrite history.

As Christians we need to be ready with an answer.
 

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Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 
UGH! There's only one word for this JUNK... ANTI-CHRIST!

This reminds me so much of what Drove me out of the United Methodist Chrurch at the end of the 70's.

The Young Adult Class got a "New Teacher" who was teaching from a book we'd never heard of before. It was called "Illusions." (The name says a lot huh?) As he read about how the Disciples got jealous when Jesus Kissed Mary M. on the lips... I got up, Stated (in not so clam a voice) "This Is Blasphemy!" and walked out. Several of my friends came into the hall to try and calm me down and get me to come back in. I told them they could listen to that Blasphemy if they wanted to but I didn't want Anything to do with it. I reported the teacher to the Pastors (we had two) but they took up for him. I left that Chruch (which I had grown up in since the age of 5) and never returned.
 

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Posted by Hitch (Member # 5654) on :
 

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UGH! There's only one word for this JUNK... ANTI-CHRIST!

This reminds me so much of what Drove me out of the United Methodist Chrurch at the end of the 70's.

The Young Adult Class got a "New Teacher" who was teaching from a book we'd never heard of before. It was called "Illusions." (The name says a lot huh?) As he read about how the Disciples got jealous when Jesus Kissed Mary M. on the lips... I got up, Stated (in not so clam a voice) "This Is Blasphemy!" and walked out. Several of my friends came into the hall to try and calm me down and get me to come back in. I told them they could listen to that Blasphemy if they wanted to but I didn't want Anything to do with it. I reported the teacher to the Pastors (we had two) but they took up for him. I left that Chruch (which I had grown up in since the age of 5) and never returned.

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becauseHElives - Agree with you 100%

My opinion about watching the movie - The "spies" already did that for us, there are material from pastors showing the discrepancies about the DVC book with historic facts about the true bible. Jack Van Impe is one of them. If I would get myself informed I would get one of these videos. Just in case someone comes to inquire me. Because I've learned that we should be preaching to the hurting, to the needy, the ones that already see that they need God. Not to those that so desperated seeking something that says that what they are doing is right.

People are just making their own gods, not a scupture image, but a spiritual imaginary image of a god that says 'do whaever you want'.

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2 Corinthians 2:11Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

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Ephesians 5: 11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

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According to the Blue Letter Bible, the word Reprove means:

Reprove: in Greek: elegcho {el-eng'-kho}

1) to convict, refute, confute
a) generally with a suggestion of shame of the person convicted
b) by conviction to bring to the light, to expose
2) to find fault with, correct
a) by word
1) to reprehend severely, chide, admonish, reprove
2) to call to account, show one his fault, demand an explanation
b) by deed
1) to chasten, to punish

I submit, how can we do this if we are not aware of what the particular work of darkness is? Therefore we should be “Not ignorant of his devices” (Satan’s devices that is). However, I would not suggest that a New Believer (or one who is not very Mature in his walk) see this movie as it could cause them to struggle.

But for those who are mature enough and feel led to research this, then I don’t see that they are wrong in doing so for the above reasons. I am not one who feels led to do this personally.

(I haven't read the majority of this thread, but I did want to add this as it's been on my mind a lot!)
 

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Posted by trafield (Member # 5358) on :
 
Hello, Softouch!

I agree we are suppose to defend the faith and the Truth. And I agree that it could be helpful to know the basics of their reasoning as a starting point in witnessing to the lost.
I just don't believe we need to train ourselves in the false to speak the Truth. I do not have to study books on withcraft to speak on the Eternal Love of Jesus, that he is God, and that without Him that WE will all die in OUR sins.
Again, we Christians live by faith and not by sight.
If others do not have the faith that the bible is the Word of God and believe it is full of errors, then no amount of reasoning about what they believe will get them to see otherwise...however, speaking the word of Truth, which is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, can make a difference regardless of what they believe.
 

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Posted by BrazilianMommy (Member # 4787) on :
 
trafield - Yes everybody is hurting but I do not think I can get anywhere trying to convince a person of that. My point is that no debate will reach someone's heart no matter how much you learn about their point-of-view, their books etc. You will reach someone with love when they need you.

I should not have used the word hurting since everyone is suffering with a gap in aheart and with guilt. I meant to say someone hurting for being sick, or in need of an advice, a plate of food, a shoulder to cry. This person will be more willing to know about God and you can talk heart-to-heart and not head-to-head.
 

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Posted by BrazilianMommy (Member # 4787) on :
 
trafield - I did not read your last post and I believe we agree on the same thing.
 

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Posted by Eric Byron (Member # 5387) on :
 
I never read the Da Vinci Code. Not because I am not interested in what it has to say or anything. Just never had the time. But I have studied faith, religion for... well all my life. I've read the Bible. The Koran, The Book of Ibon. Several gospels of Christ that never made it into the Bible when Constantine first decided to put the big book together. Some of which had a take the Jesus has a more human side to him other than the more all power divine being you find with the pages of the modern Bible most people know. Some even suggest there was more between Christ and Mary Mandolin (That they were husband and wife and had kids) and she was meant to be his successor after passing from this realm. Does this mean people have the blood line of Christ in them? Who knows.... Better still who cares? And that's the question.

It all depends on who you are and what you choose to believe in. There is a lot out there and I very much doubt we understand it all. All religious text (Sadly the Bible is included in this) are written by men and women. There has never been one all power holy definition from God himself that floated out of the air and landed upon the ground for all to see and read (And would it not be great if something did. Because then we could all say, "Hey this came from God himself.").

But since we do not have that book, it then depends on who you are and what you choose to believe in. Some people are going to believe in what the Da Vinci Code has to say. Other will dismiss it and go on with their day. Some will think it's the work of Lucifer to distort the works of God. Other it will make them look to the Bible and start their own studies on it's veracity.

Bottom line... what do you choose to believe?
 

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It all depends on who you are and what you choose to believe in. There is a lot out there and I very much doubt we understand it all. All religious text (Sadly the Bible is included in this) are written by men and women. There has never been one all power holy definition from God himself that floated out of the air and landed upon the ground for all to see and read (And would it not be great if something did. Because then we could all say, "Hey this came from God himself.").

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I would Never do that either! Now that (to me) would be considered learning the deep things of Satan (IMHO).

As you probably remember, I've done a LOT of research on the Illuminati and how they're planning to bring about certain events, but I draw the line when it comes to learning about their rituals, spells, or incantations. I've spoken much in the past against their plans and actions because I've read so much on what they're planning (but not the satanic rituals they use to bring them about... I just know that they exist and not what exactly they are - and I don't wanna know!).

I believe this book/movie to be another 'ploy' of theirs to decieve. Another attempt to discredit the Diety of our Precious Lord and Savior. For Myself, I am satisified to use the works of those with Greater Discernment and Muturity then I possess to speak against their Heresy. But... That means that Someone had to have the Maturity and Discernment to research those things so that I could read their articles and use them as sources. I'm Thankful for the Watchmen that the Lord has given us to bring the things of the Darkness into the Light of God's Truth.
 

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Posted by Caretaker (Member # 36) on :
 
Redemption comes through faith alone in Christ alone, as found in the Word of God and is the Word who is God manifest in the flesh.

A false "christ" contrary to the Word, brings false redemption and leads the blind into continued condemnation. Those writings and presentations which present a false christ are heresy and an abomination leading to eternal condemnation and judgement.

Believe anything you want for the pathway of destruction is broad and easily traveled unto destruction.

Believe on the Lord jesus Christ for salvation and enter the narrow gate for access to Glory.

2 Tim. 3:
1: This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2: For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3: Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4: Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5: Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6: For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7: Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8: Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9: But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
10: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11: Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12: Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13: But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14: But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15: And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

1 John 4:
1: Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2: Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
 

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Posted by SoftTouch (Member # 2316) on :
 

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Hmmm. Brian McLaren (leader of the Emergent Church) said the same thing.

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http://www.raptureready.com/rap16.html


Here are nine key errors that The Da Vinci Code promotes:

The Bible was put together by the pagan Roman Emperor Constantine.
The Gospels have been edited over the years.
Jesus was not the Son of God.
Jesus was not viewed as God until the fourth century.
Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene.
Mary Magdalene was to be given the rank of goddess.
Jesus and Mary Magdalene had a daughter named Sarah.
Mary Magdalene appears in Leonardo Da Vinci's painting, "The Last Supper."
The Catholic Church has been trying to keep this information a secret.

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