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Posted by WildB (Member # 2917) on :

So far as lawfully we may: for if unlawful things be commanded us, we must answer as Peter did, It is better to obey God than men.
THE INVASION OF OUR BORDER IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE LAWLESSNESS OF UNGODLY MEN IN HIGH PLACES!
A CORRECT CENSUS WILL HELP STOP SOME OF THE DEMOCRAT PLUNDERING OF THE PUBLIC TRUST!
1 Timothy 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

Romans 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

As Spirit filled Christians, man made law cannot be our ultimate moral guide. Slavery was lawful. The holocaust was legal. Grown perverted men and confused boys in the little girls bathrooms, among many other degradation's, were legally sanctioned by Obama Inc's 8 year evil rule. Which has cause great problems today. Now some Democrats running for president want to do away with ALL PENALTY OF THE INVASION OF OUR NATION!

James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. THESE DEMOCRAT'S NEED TO BE RESISTED!

Was the American Revolution a violation of Romans 13:1-7?

1) The colonists saw themselves not as anti-government but as anti-tyranny. That is, they were not promoting anarchy or the casting off of all restraint. They believed Romans 13 taught honor for the institution of government, but not necessarily for the individuals who ruled government. Therefore, since they supported God’s institution of government, the colonists believed that their actions against a specific oppressive regime were not a violation of the general principle of Romans 13.

https://www.gotquestions.org/American-Revolution-Romans-13.html

2) The colonists pointed out that it was the king of England himself who was in violation of Scripture. No king who behaved so wickedly, they said, could be considered “God’s servant.” (Obama Inc is definitely not serving God.) Therefore, it is a Christian’s duty to resist him. As Mayhew said in 1750, “Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.”

3) The colonists saw the war as a defensive action, not as an offensive war. And it is true that, in 1775 and 1776, the Americans had presented the king with formal appeals for reconciliation. These peaceful pleas were met with armed military force and several violations of British Common Law and the English Bill of Rights. In 1770, the British fired upon unarmed citizens in the Boston Massacre. At Lexington, the command was “Don’t fire unless fired upon.” The colonists, therefore, saw themselves as defending themselves after the conflict had been initiated by the British.

4) The colonists read 1 Peter 2:13, “Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority . . .,” and saw the phrase “for the Lord’s sake” as a condition for obedience. The reasoning ran thus: if the authority was unrighteous and passed unrighteous laws, then following them could not be a righteous thing. In other words, one cannot obey a wicked law “for the Lord’s sake.”

5) The colonists saw Hebrews 11 as justification for resisting tyrants. Gideon, Barak, Samson, and Jephthah are all listed as “heroes of faith,” and they were all involved in overthrowing oppressive governments.

It is safe to say that the American patriots who fought against England were fully convinced that they had biblical precedent and scriptural justification for their rebellion. Although their view of Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2 is a faulty interpretation (there are no provisos concerning obedience in those passages), it was the popular preaching of the day. At the same time, the self-defense argument (number 3, above) is a convincing and substantial rationale for war.

Even if the American Revolution was a violation of Romans 13, we know that the patriots acted in good faith in the name of Christian freedom, and we know that, in the ensuing years, God has brought about much good from the freedom that was won as a result.

Posted by Betty Louise (Member # 7175) on :

Bill,
Very good!
Betty [thumbsup2]