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Posted by Sa:ji:sdo:de (Member # 13749) on :

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Two things that Christ and his Father value very highly are integrity and loyalty.

†. 2Tim 2:4 . . As Christ's soldier, do not let yourself become tied up in the affairs of this life, for then you cannot satisfy the one who has enlisted you in his army.

MLK Jr was an ordained Christian minister. Had he remained faithful to his calling, instead of going off into political activism; he might still be alive today.

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Posted by Sa:ji:sdo:de (Member # 13749) on :

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†. 2Tim 4:1-5 . . In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage-- with great patience and careful instruction.

. . . For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

. . . But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.

†. 1Tim 4:14 . . Focus upon the public reading of scripture, and to preaching and teaching.

While the world admires MLK Jr as a civil rights icon, Christ disdains him a subordinate who shamefully neglected the duties of his ministry as per the apostle Paul's charge. Consequently, King's works in this world will go up in smoke as wood, hay, and stubble as per 1Cor 3:9-15.

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Posted by Betty Louise (Member # 7175) on :

Could it not be the Rev King was called by God to stand for the oppressed and down trodden?
Betty

Posted by Sa:ji:sdo:de (Member # 13749) on :

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Originally posted by Betty Louise: Could it not be the Rev King was called by God to stand for the oppressed and down trodden?

MLK Jr wasn't just another John Q and/or Jane Doe pew warmer. He was an ordained Christian minister whose rules of conduct, and whose duties and responsibilities, are spelled out in what are commonly known as the pastoral epistles; i.e. Titus, 1Timothy, and 2Timothy.

If perchance there are young persons reading this considering studying for "the ministry" be forewarned that in order to serve Christ in accord with the apostles' instructions; you'll have to accept a status as Christ's subordinate; i.e. you cannot be his minister as a free agent. Should you choose to go off on your own agenda like King did, you'll be charged with dereliction of duty and branded a deserter. Though you manage to win world-wide fame and accolades; in heaven you'll be a disgrace.

Ordained Christian ministers are first and foremost shepherds whose responsibility is the care of Christ's sheep-- not the world's sheep. In other words: it is Christ's wishes that his ministers be congregational leaders rather than social leaders.

†. 2Tim 2:4 . . As Christ's soldier, do not let yourself become tied up in the affairs of this life, for then you cannot satisfy the one who has enlisted you in his army.

†. 1Pet 5:1-4 . .To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder, a witness of Christ's sufferings and one who also will share in the glory to be revealed:

. . . Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as overseers-- not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not greedy for money, but eager to serve; not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.

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Posted by Sa:ji:sdo:de (Member # 13749) on :

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Originally posted by Sa:ji:sdo:de: the crown of glory that will never fade away.

People are easily fooled into believing that King was a successful minister because they're inadequately catechized; i.e. they're unaware that the epistles contain specific instructions for ordained Christian ministers; and failure to follow those instructions leads to unsatisfactory performance ratings.

†. 2Tim 2:5 . . If anyone competes as an athlete, he does not receive the victor's crown unless he competes according to the rules.

King threw out the rules and went off into political activism; which is clearly forbidden for ordained Christian ministers.

†. 2Tim 2:4 . . As Christ's soldier, do not let yourself become tied up in the affairs of this life, for then you cannot satisfy the one who has enlisted you in his army.

The apostle Paul spoke for Christ.

†. 1Cor 14:37 . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of The Lord.

†. 1Thess 4:1-2 . .We beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by The Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more. For ye know what commandments we gave you by The Lord Jesus.

Therefore ordained Christian ministers that fail to comply with the apostle Paul's instructions, are failing to comply with Christ's. It's a domino effect all the way to the top.

†. Luke 10:16 . .Whoever listens to you; listens to me. Whoever rejects you; rejects me. And whoever rejects me; rejects the one who sent me.

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Posted by kornelius (Member # 15448) on :

God uses the most unlikely people and arrangements to forward his justice.
When I hear MLK speak I do not hear a voice contrary to Gods purposes. On the other hand, when I hear Malcolm X speak, grace is not evident as it is in MLK's speeches.
I think the litmus test is in the product as opposed to it being in talk of how it should be.

Posted by Sa:ji:sdo:de (Member # 13749) on :

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Poster children and sacred cows like Martin Luther King Jr and Mother Teresa make good case studies in how not to follow Christ due to their high profile.

King is an example of an ordained minister gone off-reservation, and Teresa is an example of a missionary gone abroad under her own steam.

Of the two, I'd have to say that Teresa was the more pathetic; as she complained in private letters to her spiritual counselors:

"I am told God loves me; and yet the reality of darkness & coldness & emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul."

"The place of God in my soul is blank-- There is no God in me"

"I feel He does not want me, He is not there, God does not want me"

"When I try to raise my thoughts to Heaven, there is such convicting emptiness that those very thoughts return like sharp knives and hurt my very soul. How painful is this unknown pain-- I have no faith."

Teresa also complained of feeling abandoned by Christ-- referring to him as "the absent one"

It turns out Teresa was a remarkable actor. Her public image bore no resemblance whatsoever to the secret life of her inner being.

Q: How can you honestly say that Mother Teresa went abroad as a missionary under her own steam? She founded the Missionaries of Charity with the full permission and blessing of her church.

A: When a missionary complains of a disconnect with God as severe as Teresa's list of complaints in this post, they are abroad under their own steam regardless of a church's blessing.

Teresa's perpetual darkness, her spiritual dryness, her feelings of abandonment, the absence of even the faintest glimmer of The Lord's presence, her lack of faith, and her pretense, are especially inconsistent with the apostle Paul-- whom I believe to be a far more reliable role model for missionaries than Teresa was even on her best day.

Teresa was never really convinced there's a God out there. At one point she actually prayed thus:

"If there be God; please forgive me."

A prayer that begins with "If there be God" is the prayer of an agnostic; which Webster's defines as one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god. According to Jas 1:5-8, agnostic prayers are pings.

To her credit, Teresa wanted a God to be out there, but her utter failure to feel even the slightest glimmer of the Lord's presence prevented her from being sure about it.

"The damned of Hell suffer eternal punishment because they experiment with the loss of God. In my own soul, I feel the terrible pain of this loss. I feel that God does not want me, that God is not God; and that He does not really exist."

That kind of spiritual decadence is fatal; not only to missionaries, but to anyone else in the same condition.

†. Heb 11:6 . .Without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists.

Webster's defines "impossible" as incapable of being, or of occurring.

Webster's defines "must" as an indispensable item; viz: essential.

Ironically, a demon's level of faith is actually superior to Teresa's. At least they believe in the existence of God.

†. Jas 2:19-20 . . You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe

I simply cannot approve a missionary whose iffy belief in the existence of God doesn't even measure up to the quality of a demon's belief.

FYI: Teresa's quotes were taken from:

Mother Teresa / Come Be My Light
The Private Writings of the "Saint of Calcutta"
Edited with commentary by Brian Kolodiejchuk, M.C.
ISBN 978-0-385-52037-9

NOTE: Teresa was unsettled and disturbed in the final weeks of her life, At the urging of Henry D'Souza, the Archbishop of Calcutta (a.k.a. Kolkata), she agreed to an exorcism-- performed by Father Rosario Stroscio --if perchance demons in the vicinity were clouding her mind.

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Posted by kornelius (Member # 15448) on :

The eyes of every saint and sinner can be picked out and God forbid that my shortcomings are made a focus.

The Gospel declares God's kindness to sinners. Shall I as one forgiven not also forgive and leave judgement to God?

Outta line

The sin I'd tasted, tasted fine
until I'd heard I's outta line
come follow us, ‘twas said with glee
be ‘sanctified’ and you'll be free

Some time went by as I observed
and what appeared was kind’a curved
that wretched splinter, I'll be frank
turned out to be a hardy plank

Now as planks go, they're cut together
what came to view was not a slither
disguised, I saw a wooded hill
behind it was the noisy mill

As planks peeled off those stately logs
I caught the dust down with the hogs
and what I thought as so much glee
was practice in hypocrisy.

Posted by Sa:ji:sdo:de (Member # 13749) on :

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Civil disobedience, unless it follows a track as per Ex 1:8-21, is out of the question for ordained Christian ministers.

†. Ex 23:2 . . Do not follow the crowd in doing wrong.

†. Rom 3:8 . . Let us do evil that good may result? Their condemnation is deserved.

†. Rom 12:21 . . Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

†. Rom 13:1-2 . . Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

†. 1Pet 2:13-15 . . Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. For it is God's will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men.

In matters related to law and order, ordained Christian ministers are supposed to be exemplary.

†. 1Tim 4:12 . . Set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity.

In addition; an ordained Christian minister's preaching is not for the benefit of the world, rather, for the benefit of a congregation; and it better not be political preaching.

†. Eph 4:11-12 . . He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ

†. 1Tim 4:13 . . Focus on reading the Scriptures to the church, encouraging the believers, and teaching them.

The world likes to think of King as a pastor, but he wasn't a pastor; no, not even a little; not for Christ anyway: King was first and foremost a renegade Christian minister gone over to the dark side.

NOTE: The Bible speaks of a darkness about which the world is unaware due to its inadequate knowledge of Christianity.

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Posted by kornelius (Member # 15448) on :

Titus 2:2

Posted by kornelius (Member # 15448) on :

Titus 3:2