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Posted by oneinchrist (Member # 6532) on :

John 10:29
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Fathers hand.

John 17:2
As though hast given Him power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given Him.

John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Thy Name; Those Thou gavest Me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scriptures might be fullfilled.

John 17:24
Father I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory.........

John 17:20
Neither I pray for these alone, but also for them also which shall believe on me through their word.

When proponents of Calvinism use these first 4 verses in attempt to show that man must not have free-will, I wonder why dont they bother to mention that Jesus is speaking in reference to the men who were "chosen" to lead the church in the coming days of persecution?..... all except for Judas, of course.

So I guess I have a question then........

Does God only save His chosen leaders? and the rest are predestined to Hell??

With love in Christ, Daniel