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Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :

I always read this verse and thought of things like the Roman games. But My husband and I were talking this moring about the bird flu and other animal crossover diseases and I wondered if this could speak of these kinds of things. What think ye?

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Posted by oneyearandcounting (Member # 4449) on :

Linda

FOr as long as I have been a Christian I have thought that this is what the verse ment.

I mean look at all the crazy diseases we have that started with animals.

God bless

greg

Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :

Exactly! I think that the first time it occured to me was when AIDs began, and ebola and it just seems to be increasing that we see these strange animal crossover type things.

This is one of those verses that has always stuck in my mind. You know the ones that you just cant let go because there is something more to see or know. Thanks for sharing that is seems this way to you Oneyearandcounting. I am curious if there are more of us that think this might be the case.

Posted by Study (Member # 3991) on :

If you guys are saying what I think you are saying. That would mean four seals would have to have been open already. How are you justifing the three seals before?

Posted by helpforhomeschoolers (Member # 15) on :

No, I am not saying that. I dont know where we are in regard to the prophesy of Revelation, I dont begin to tell you that I do. I personally think that a lot of what is commonly and popularly taught today is off base, but I dont think that we need to be at the 4th seal to know that this is what "Kill them with the beasts of the earth" means any more than I think that we have to be at the point of the 2 witnesses testifying to know how the world will see them dead in the street for 3 days.

Posted by Study (Member # 3991) on :

Ok.

Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :

I don't believe we are in the tribulation but I believe we are in the birth pains. Jesus could come back at any time now. The sooner the better is fine with me. [Smile]

betty

Posted by epouraniois (Member # 5187) on :

Hello,

beasts - thērion
Although this is my first post here at thechristianbbs, what I would say about the verse is first, it's an interesting question, 2nd, let's look at the subject and the object of the grammar and see what the direction of the context is.

Rev 6:7 says it's the rider of the 4th seal being opened who's rider is Death, iow's, Satan, or his spirit coming bringing Death.

Now this word thērion is used elsewhere, I always like to look up the first occurrances of a word to see how the Holy Spirit has so used it.

The context seems to be as in Daniel 7, that of powers (governments) being fed by the evil one (Death), in otherwords, these wild beasts are probably governments under control of Satan and as his kingdom gets closer and closer, the nations shall be at war.

This assumse familiarity with the passages stating Satan arrives before Christ, as the instead of Jesus, that Satan has a kingdom which must be put down when all rule and authority are put under Christ the Lord Jesus' feet.

I hope this was not confusing to anyone.

Posted by TEXASGRANDMA (Member # 847) on :

epouraniois
welcome to the board. Satan will put the anti-Christ in power before the Second Coming but the rapture will take place shortly before. There is a verse that says that the Church must be removed before the anti-Christ can come into his own.

Hope to see you often here. God bless you,
betty

Posted by epouraniois (Member # 5187) on :

How silly of me, please forgive me, I failed to provide the first occurrance of the word, it is found in

Heb 13:11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

This brings to remembrance that God not only rules, but He over rules, using things of this world for His own purposes, whether they be of that great spiritual foe, or just the folly of His children, all things ...

Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God...

Psa 46:2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea

Mat 24:6-8 And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Posted by epouraniois (Member # 5187) on :

Thank you for the welcome, however I have found nothing Biblical supporting such a doctrine as the rapture, in fact, it is a Latin word. When the Lord's day is in view, Biblically, it is assosiated with hope. In Latin, the word means rape. Needless to say, it is not found in the Bible, but certainly if Eze 13:20 and surrounding verses says God is against it, then, well, the Scriptures can speak for themselves.

As for me, I believe the HS's Words are pure words, words of earth, tried as silver is tried, and mine can never be in a position to replace God's Holy Words, so I do try to use His Words as much as possible.

Posted by Adv.Christian (Member # 3453) on :

[Cross]

Epouraniois; welcome to the board [cool_shades]

. While I tend to agree (as indicated by my screen name which is short for Advent Christian) with you in the aspect of that there is no rapture as is the common belief, I personally avoid discussing this matter in any depth due to the very fact that it is the common belief, and the only result of pursuing this is strife with in the body of Christ. As Paul said strife is a matter best left out of the church when caused by arguing over doctrine, we should be of one mind.

Helpforhomeschoolers as to your original question concerning the beast in Revelations; personally I have always tended to believe that the power granted to the beasts is a literal application in that with the breakdown of humanity which is going to happen the animals are going to suffer a great shift in their food supply chain and with the loss of the natural ecological balance the animals will naturally turn to other sources for food….man. I do however agree that this is part of the pestilence referred to under the forth seal and truly believe the church had better open it’s eyes before it finds out that due to the lack of involvement it has become neither hot nor cold the out come of which Jesus has already given us. As always my love to all and May God Bless. [Cross]

Posted by BORN AGAIN (Member # 5) on :

Hey, Study, I thought yours were good comments, and only lamely responded to by helpforhomeschoolers, IMO. Study wrote

quote:
If you guys are saying what I think you are saying. That would mean four seals would have to have been open already. How are you justifing the three seals before?

helpforhomeschoolers then replied:

quote:
I dont think that we need to be at the 4th seal to know that this is what "Kill them with the beasts of the earth" means any more than I think that we have to be at the point of the 2 witnesses testifying to know how the world will see them dead in the street for 3 days.

helpforhomeschoolers, if you are going to say that we are witnessing animal transfer of diseases since AIDS, and are associating that with this Rev.6 verse, then the 4th seal would have to be opened, would it not? And then Study's point was very well taken.

God bless, [Cross]

BORN AGAIN

Posted by Study (Member # 3991) on :

Hello BA, I’ve only been popping in and out from time to time. But as many times as I have read over the book of Revelation (I really don't understand it all). I do believe once the events of Revelation start to happen, if our generation is still alive. We will not have to guess is this it or not. We as believer in Christ Jesus often times associate every little thing that’s going on with the end times. I’m guilty of it as well. We are so excited about being with the Lord forever, but we must continue to be watchful without falling prey to being deceitful to ourselves or others.

May God Bless and keep us all,
Study

Posted by BORN AGAIN (Member # 5) on :

Hello, sister Study, I like your avitar, although I hate to call it that...lucifer-satan-devil (he gets no uppercase from me) has preempted that "avitar" name for the thingymagik underneath our Christian cyberhandle: "avitar".

"Avitar", for those of you who do not know, is a Hindu name for "someone who is experience the Christ consciousness".

Which as Christians we know is hooey.

So in your profile you say that you are an author. What do or did you author, sister Study?

God bless you and yours, your "avitar" is pretty.

I am BORN AGAIN by the [Cross]

of Yahshua-Jesus of Nazareth.

Posted by BORN AGAIN (Member # 5) on :

dear sister helpforhomeschoolers, I did want to let you know that I like your Topic, even though I said that your retort to Study was a bit lame. I think it is a great question.

The potential transmission of animal viruses to humans is definitely with us. In that regard, your point is well taken in Rev.6:8.

Here is my opinion about this. As population increased in 1830 from 1 billion people to 2 billion people in 1930 (doubling of population took 100 years) and 4 billion people in 1976 (doubling of population took 46 years), and now we are in 2005.

As the population on earth grew to 6 billion+ in 2005, the soil in which viruses had lain dormant for thousands of years was stirred up for building construction and people and animals and machines walked on that once-virgin soils, and the viruses awakened out of their long sleep...in our time of the end, not long before the second parousia of King Yahshua-Jesus, formerly of Nazareth, but now of Jerusalem.

May the LORD God of Israel bless all who participate on this CBBS, I am BORN AGAIN by the [Cross]

Posted by yeshuaslavejeff (Member # 4506) on :

Re what was named: more men, women and children died from manmade approaches than from anything supposedly transmitted by animals ((i.e. think cover up by '_ _ _'. ))
homeschoolers sometimes have an advantage learning about this because it's not permitted in gubbermint controlled education systems or businesses.

never thought about this per se before the last 10 minutes - but remember when Yahweh(God) led the children of Israel His chosen ones into the Promised Land finally ((when the punishment for rebellion was over and everyone over 20 y.o. except Joshua and Caleb had died in the wilderness
for their lack of belief/faith/trust ))
Yahweh delivered the land over to them little by little "so the wild beasts would not be too many for them"((paraphrased/english)).
so, in the days just ahead, all the 'civilized' or other several parts of the world MIGHT be overrun with wild beasts (("animals")) that attack and kill people,
or ((another 'light just came on' thought)) the wild beasts, IF IT WORKS WITH THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE, might be as elsewhere in Scripture MEN disobedient to Yahweh ((not 'likely' perhaps, or maybe so ...... don't know the original well enough to say yes or not; but men are already killing men, women and children everywhere on earth, right ? )) men without any conscience... children too for all that .... and women ....