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Beware of those would be preachers who promote ObamaCare and Climate Change. Just to name a few.
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II Corinthians ch 11:13-16 pretty well sumes up most of the modern day super-preachers.
There have always been more fakes than true ministers of God.
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God is in control.
just like with King David ...one is all Yahweh needs to win the Battle!
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Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )
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That's true Betty. And not just a verse here and there like cults do, or their own version of the Bible, but the entire and real Word of God. ![[Bible]](graemlins/bible.gif) ![[hug]](graemlins/hug.gif)
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One trait I have found in Preachers of the Truth, is they always encourage the listener to verify what they say with the Word of God. They not only use Scripture but then encourage you to go to the Word of God and verify whether what they have taught is true or not.
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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Originally posted by Ezekiel 13:20:
False preachers are more Dangerous than a Terrorist,because False preachers kill spiritually,all a terrorist can do is kill physically.
Its much more ease-yer to ID a Child of God in a bar than it is Satan's seed in a Church.
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Betty ![[thumbsup2]](graemlins/thumbsup2.gif)
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Originally posted by Betty Louise:
"None of the so called Christian Churches teaches the Word of GOD"
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This is a slap in the face of God. God is still working in Preachers today. Are there many preachers who have rejected the truth for fluff cotton candy preaching? Of course there are!!! But for every mega preaching crowd pleasing preacher there are hundreds of preachers, preaching in Churches all over the Country, who preach the truth of God's Word, in season and out of season.
I can tell you personally six Preachers I know personally who preach the truth of the Gospel and have not replaced the truth of the Gospel for PC preaching. Seeing how I have only lived in three states, the ones I know are a drop in the bucket to those preaching the truth all over the world.
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God is in control.
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but I honestly believe there are still great men of God in the world today.
I totally agree. I just believe they are few in number...
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I believe there are more good then bad. The good ones just don't get publicity. The good ones are in small, medium, and even large Churches who do God's work but are not about getting noticed by the world. They are content to serve God and serve their Church family. God has not forsaken His Church and He is still looking for willing vessels to work through. Maybe it is hopeful thanking on my part, but I honestly believe there are still great men of God in the world today.
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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Betty I believe there are less True Churches rather than more....
when men like Billy Graham are found to be false preachers people had better understand who all might be deceived.
Will Only a Few Be Saved?
That is the question an unknown man asks Jesus in Luke 13:23. Does Jesus answer the question in this passage? At first reading it sure doesn’t seem like he does. Why doesn’t Jesus just give a straightforward answer?
What is the answer? Are many saved?
For among those who call themselves Christians today, we find many who claim that all people - or at least all who are sincere in whatever beliefs they hold - will be saved. Such people are saying, in effect, that a wide door leads to salvation.
And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?" And He said to them, "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. (Luke 13:23-24)
In verse 24, Jesus talks of two groups of people.
The first group consists of those who “strive to enter by the narrow door.” The second consists of those who “seek to enter and will not be able.”
What is the difference between them?
This verse presents us with two differences, which Jesus then explains in the rest of the passage.
First, there is a difference between “striving to enter” and “seeking to enter”; second, there is a difference between the narrow door and whatever means of entering the second group chooses. We’ll use these two differences as our outline
Seeking to Enter vs Striving to Enter
Let’s examine first the difference between seeking to enter and striving to enter. The Bible elsewhere speaks positively about seeking God’s Kingdom. Indeed, just a few verses earlier in this same book, Jesus says,
"And do not seek what you will eat and what you will drink, and do not keep worrying. 30 "For all these things the nations of the world eagerly seek; but your Father knows that you need these things. 31 "But seek His kingdom, and these things will be added to you. (Luke 12:29-31)
So evidently there is a correct, true way of seeking God – what Jesus refers to in Luke 12:31 – and an incorrect, false way of seeking God, as found in today’s text. What is the nature of this true seeking of God and His kingdom? Let’s consider first what it is not:
* True seeking is not a general wish for heaven. The true seeker does not say, “Oh, it would be nice to be in the kingdom of God, and add that to everything else I have.” This is a frequent response to some types of evangelism. If the gospel is presented in such a way as to make no demands on the listener, if the cost of discipleship is never mentioned, we may produce such false seekers. (For more on this, see Matthew 11:28-30)”
* True seeking is not pursuing thrills or earthly benefits. Jesus says explicitly in verse 29, “Do not seek what you will eat and what you will drink, and do not keep worrying.” If the gospel is presented as the solution to our earthly problems – problems of health, money, relationships – then we may well produce false seekers, those who minds are set upon what they will eat, what they will drink, who they will marry, and how they will get well. These are not true seekers.
Let’s think about this more. Do you remember the story of the ten lepers whom Jesus heals? They approach Jesus, asking for His mercy. He tells them to go and show themselves to the priest. Nothing apparent happens immediately. But while they are on their way, they are cleansed. One – a Samaritan – returns immediately to Jesus, thanking Him and praising God. Jesus responds,
"Were not ten cleansed? Where are the nine? 18 Was no one found to return and give praise to God except this foreigner?" 19 And he said to him, "Rise and go your way; your faith has made you well." (Luke 17:17-19)
Are these other nine striving to enter thru the narrow door? No. They sought Jesus in one sense, but they sought Him only for the earthly benefit He gave them. In contrast, the Samaritan praises God, and Jesus says to him, “Your faith has made you well.” This can also be translated, “Your faith has saved you.” We cannot know for sure, but I think in this context Jesus is indeed talking about more than his being physically made well. The other nine were made well physically; this man, however, is a true seeker, seeking the glory of God – and he is the only one of the ten who is saved.
A second relevant passage is John 6, which we read earlier in the service. The day before, Jesus fed the multitude with bread. So the crowds seek Him, wanting more bread! Jesus says to them:
"Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves. (John 6:26)
Once again, “seek” is the same Greek word as in Luke 13:24. The crowd liked that bread so much, they want it daily – like manna in the desert. They received a sign from God, but instead of looking at what the sign signifies – that all of our needs are met in Jesus, that He is the source of all true sustenance, that He is the source of eternal life – they keep their eyes focused on the sign itself. Their delight is in the natural bread, not in the supernatural bread of life, Jesus Himself. So Jesus says:
48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. (John 6:48-51)
This crowd is seeking Jesus, but they are not striving to enter. Like the nine lepers, they are seeking earthly benefits, they perhaps are seeking the thrill of being witnesses to a miracle, they are seeking what Jesus can do for them – but they are not seeking Jesus Himself.
Such seekers will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
This is so important in church planting! The experts tell us to find out what people perceive as their felt needs, and then show them how the new church can meet those needs. Now, there is some truth in that; we do have the answer to many of life’s problems, and felt needs can be an opening into the lives of those who have no understanding of their need for salvation. But if the church communicates, “We exist to give you what you think you need,” it produces seekers after the things of this world rather than seekers after Jesus Christ. And only the latter will enter the kingdom of heaven.
That’s the negative teaching, telling us how not to seek. But what is the positive teaching here? How are we to strive to enter through the narrow door?
The word translated “strive” is the Greek word from which we get our word “agonize.” It is an athletic term, used of a runner or a wrestler during competition. “Striving” is thus not an expression of a casual interest or a mild preference, but rather it describes someone who wants the prize so much he is willing to endure much pain and suffering to attain it.
Consider a professional football quarterback. What is he trying to attain? A Super Bowl ring. How much will he endure in order to get that ring? What will he put up with to attain it?
Hours and hours in the weight room. More hours in practice, having his body pummeled by 300 pound linemen. A full season – and for most, many seasons – looking into the faces of 11 men who want to crush him. Many times when they do crush him.
Why does he endure all this? Because he wants the prize.
Just so us: Strive to enter! Discipline yourself! Put away all distractions! Focus on the prize of Jesus Himself!
Paul uses similar imagery in 1 Corinthians 9:
24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners compete, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it. 25 Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. 26 So I do not run aimlessly; I do not box as one beating the air. 27 But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified. (1 Corinthians 9:24-27)
Seeking to enter! Paul is seeking to enter the kingdom, so he works hard at self-control, he disciplines his body, he makes sure that he is one of those who endures to the end so he might be saved.
We should be at least as disciplined as the athlete running for a perishable wreath!
Paul states this another way in Philippians:
Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ. (Philippians 3:8)
Thus true seeking is not a general wish for heaven. It is not a general statement, “Oh, yeah, Jesus. He’s cool.” It is not a desire for earthly benefit. Instead, true seeking is loving Him, valuing Him, treasuring Him, and seeking Him as the most important, the most delightful, the greatest treasure of all.
The Narrow Door vs Other Methods of Entry
We said that Jesus provides two contrasts in Luke 13:24, the contrast between seeking to enter and striving to enter and the contrast between seeking to enter through the narrow door and seeking to enter by any other means. Let’s now focus on the second contrast. Look at verses 25-27:
"Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, 'Lord, open up to us!' then He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know where you are from.' 26 "Then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets'; 27 and He will say, 'I tell you, I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.' (Luke 13:25 NAU)
Jesus’ statement at the end of 25 and the middle of 27 is translated well in the NIV: “I don't know you or where you come from.” In effect, He is saying, “I don’t know you at all! You may think that you are mine, but I have nothing to do with you – I don’t even know your family, your village”
So what does Jesus mean by the narrow door? What is His intended contrast with other methods of entering?
Again, let’s begin by considering what the narrow door is not:
* The narrow door is NOT being in a church, reading the Bible, listening to sermons, looking to others like a Christian. This is clear from verse 26: these evildoers looked just like believers who had been with Jesus. They had listened to His preaching. But He does not know them, and they stand condemned.
* The narrow door is NOT being prominent in this life. Jesus says in verse 30 that some who are presently first will be last. Prominence now is no guarantee of one’s entering through the narrow door.
* The narrow door is NOT being a descendant of a great believer. See verse 28. Remember, Jesus is speaking to descendants of Abraham and Jacob. I sometimes like to use the expression, “God has no grandchildren.” Each of us must come to Jesus on our own, not through our parents, our grandparents, or other ancestors.
Then what does Jesus mean by the narrow door?
Elsewhere, Jesus says He Himself is the door:
I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. (John 10:9)
In what sense is this door narrow? In two ways.
First, the door is narrow in the sense that no one comes to the Father any other way (John 14:6).
* No religious activities – Christian or non-Christian – bring us into the Kingdom.
* Sincere beliefs do not bring us in.
* Good works do not bring us in.
* Good feelings about our relationship with Christ do not bring us in.
Though in our pluralistic society this message is despised, we must preach, teach, and live out this truth: There is only one door, and that narrow door is Jesus.
My hope is built on nothing less
Than Jesus’ blood and righteousness
I dare not trust the sweetest frame
But wholly lean on Jesus’ Name.
Not trusting the “sweetest frame” means not relying on any good feelings we might have about our relationship with God. Praise God, He gives us such feelings and all true believers will respond with all their hearts – and thus with some emotion- to the person of Christ. But our feelings are not our source of assurance. As Charles Spurgeon wrote:
It is not thy hold of Christ that saves thee-it is Christ; it is not thy joy in Christ that saves thee-it is Christ; it is not even faith in Christ, though that be the instrument-it is Christ's blood and merits; therefore, look not so much to thy hand with which thou art grasping Christ, as to Christ; look not to thy hope, but to Jesus, the source of thy hope; look not to thy faith, but to Jesus, the author and finisher of thy faith. We shall never find happiness by looking at our prayers, our doings, or our feelings; it is what Jesus is, not what we are, that gives rest to the soul.
So no one comes to the Father except through Jesus alone. In this sense the door is narrow.
Secondly, the door is narrow in the sense that the time the door is open is short. Verse 25 tells us a time is coming when the master of the house arises and shuts the door. At that point, no one else is allowed to enter.
There is a time when Jesus eats and drinks with sinners. This is grace! Paul tells us, "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" Jesus says, “I have come to call not the righteous but sinners to repentance.” Paul tells us we were by nature children of wrath when God loved us with His great love.
But a time is coming when that will no longer be the case. The day of mercy ends and the day of justice comes.
So through the image of the narrow door, Jesus is saying, “DO NOT PRESUME! Do not presume on the basis of your ancestors, on the basis of your religious activities, on the basis of your seeking, on the basis of your sincerity – Do not presume that you are in the kingdom of heaven! And do not presume that you will have another opportunity to enter that kingdom! Today is the day of salvation! Come to me all ye who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest – But come TO ME, and come NOW!”
Will Only a Few be Saved?
We started by asking “Will only a few be saved?” We have seen Jesus turn that abstract theological inquiry around and say, “Examine yourselves! Strive to enter by ME! Discipline yourself to value me above all else NOW, or the door may be shut in your face. Many will be left outside! Don’t be among them!”
Examine your heart! Don't assume that because you are religious you are saved! Don’t depend on your sincerity, or your moral goodness. Strive to enter by the narrow door! Strive to become like Him! Discipline yourself so that you might fight the fight of faith! The door is open now but may not be open for you tomorrow. Repent today! Do not wait!
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"None of the so called Christian Churches teaches the Word of GOD"
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This is a slap in the face of God. God is still working in Preachers today. Are there many preachers who have rejected the truth for fluff cotton candy preaching? Of course there are!!! But for every mega preaching crowd pleasing preacher there are hundreds of preachers, preaching in Churches all over the Country, who preach the truth of God's Word, in season and out of season.
I can tell you personally six Preachers I know personally who preach the truth of the Gospel and have not replaced the truth of the Gospel for PC preaching. Seeing how I have only lived in three states, the ones I know are a drop in the bucket to those preaching the truth all over the world.
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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sajang, you make some good points....but quote:
None of the so called Christian Churches teaches the Word of GOD,
that way wrong...
remember what Yahweh said .... Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.
America still has a remnant more matter how small it may be!
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False preachers are more Dangerous than a Terrorist,because False preachers kill spiritually,all a terrorist can do is kill physically.
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None of the so called Christian Churches teaches the Word of GOD,
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Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )
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False preachers are more Dangerous than a Terrorist,because False preachers kill spiritually,all a terrorist can do is kill physically.
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Most people are taught that satan is tending hell with a pitch folk.....LOL
They don't know where he is,muchless that he stands before God accusing God's children.
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You bring some interesting points and cause thought.
You might want to look deeper into this
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because it is unmistakable clear that
satan can not enter GODS HOLY TEMPLE. Simple as that.
just a couple right off the top of my head
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Zechariah 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
satan goes before YHWH all the time to accuse the saints!
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Are you referring to the T.V. "pastors"? You know, like A.Murray??
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"None of the so called Christian Churches teaches the Word of GOD,"
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you have been a busy bee to be at every Church in the world to check out their teaching. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
I know of several Churches just in my area that teach the truth of the Gospel.
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Is consider as false preaching.
It is written, it must be known.
None of the so called Christian Churches teaches the Word of GOD,
The way GOD commended. [ they ignore ] many important
commandments , such as 1Corinthians 3:16-17 and 1Corinthians 6:15-20
Act 7-48 Act 17-24
Ephesians 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient.
Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven:
This false teachers are guilty according to Matt 5:19 & Revelation 22:18-19
And this will happen to them on judgment day read: Matthew 7:22-23
If they just teach the Word of GOD , according to His Will,
This world will be a better place to live in.
But satan ( uses-inspire- dictate-influence ) the Christian Churches
to blind there minds and mislead mankind. 2Corinthian 4:4 in whom the god of this world [ satan ] hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn upon them.
For the benefit of satan the devil himself , satan don’t want us to know
that we are GODS TEMPLE , because it is unmistakable clear that
satan can not enter GODS HOLY TEMPLE. Simple as that.
Isaiah 55:11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
(Galatians1:8).
>>This verse means that if anyone, even an angel, preaches anything that is different than the true gospel, they shall be cursed and we are not to accept it. We are always to test the spirits (1John 4:1-3).
> > By their fruit Matthew 7:16-20 and 15:8-9
>> This is one of the reasons why there are so many cults in the world today; people disregard this verse.1 Thessalonians 4:8 Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.
So then,do as 2Cor 3:17 says come out from among them…….
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