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You're not alone!
Ecclesiastes 7:2
It is better to go to the house of mourning than to go to the house of feasting: for that is the end of all men; and the living will lay it to his heart.
Matthew 8:20
And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the heaven have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
Isaiah 53:4
Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows; yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Hebrews 12:1-3
Therefore let us also, seeing we are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising shame, and hath sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. For consider him that hath endured such gainsaying of sinners against himself, that ye wax not weary, fainting in your souls.
Romans 8:17
and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him.
Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Psalm 55:22
Cast thy burden upon Jehovah, and he will sustain thee: He will never suffer the righteous to be moved.
Isaiah 46:4
and even to old age I am he, and even to hoar hairs will I carry you; I have made, and I will bear; yea, I will carry, and will deliver.
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Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.
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The Lord has made my head an adamant harder than flint.
And His flame a FIRE! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Isaiah 10:17
And the Light of Israel shall become a fire and His Holy One a flame, and it will burn and devour [the Assyrian's] thorns and briers in one day.
Isaiah 50:11
Behold, all ye that kindle a fire, that gird yourselves about with firebrands; walk ye in the flame of your fire, and among the brands that ye have kindled. This shall ye have of my hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow.
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And again!
Joel 2:25
And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the canker-worm, and the caterpillar, and the palmer-worm, my great army which I sent among you.
Revelation 22:2
in the midst of the street thereof. And on this side of the river and on that was the tree of life, bearing twelve manner of fruits, yielding its fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Revelation 7:17
for the Lamb that is in the midst of the throne shall be their shepherd, and shall guide them unto fountains of waters of life: and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes.
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Yes life is tough. I sure now this.
>>> I did eventually get FULL LEGAL custody of my kids a few months later.
Oh, yes another reason to smile.
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I pray you be reconciled, at least enough for the children to enjoy the presence of thier mom too.. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
And WildB too ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Its way too late. I have been a single parent for 20 years. She hasn't bother to be in the kids life. Now they are adults on there own. My daughter sends ME a mother days card on mothers day..
I'm so sorry! ![[updown]](graemlins/updown.gif)
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Yes life is tough. I sure now this.
>>> I did eventually get FULL LEGAL custody of my kids a few months later.
Oh, yes another reason to smile.
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I pray you be reconciled, at least enough for the children to enjoy the presence of thier mom too..
And WildB too
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Yes life is tough. I sure know this.
>>> I did eventually get FULL LEGAL custody of my kids a few months later.
Oh, yes another reason to smile.
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Why certainly.
I was proud and smiled when my 2 year old brought her poo poo to the door, in one of them white plastic poo chair containers, as I was coming in from work 20 years ago.
Galatians 5:22-26 (NIV)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
Just wondering who's spirit you are trying to prove you are influenced by. Seems strange.
Why not give us a smile today.
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To be truthful, my 2 year old daughter did do this but I was on the other side of the door well looking in and could not hug her.
For you see my X was living with another man in my own house per court order and I was in violation just being there.
I did eventually get FULL LEGAL custody of my kids a few months later.
But it took everything I had.
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Why certainly.
I was proud and smiled when my 2 year old brought her poo poo to the door, in one of them white plastic poo chair containers, as I was coming in from work 20 years ago.
Galatians 5:22-26 (NIV)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
Just wondering who's spirit you are trying to prove you are influenced by. Seems strange.
Why not give us a smile today.
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Well David who are the "THEY" MH talks about?
Maybe them Once Sealed Always Sealed crowd?
Post like this are baiting and have no edifying value to the category in which it is presented...
imho.
Well I guess the one who yelled when the stone was thrown. You must be the one that just don't agree.
>>> Post like this are baiting and have no edifying value to the category in which it is presented...
Guess everyone has an opinion but ours are sure not the same on this one.
As for OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved)
I have posted on this subject before and below is what I say:
OSAS?? Warning
If one produces bad fruit and continues to do so, they never knew Jesus as their savior. Therefore they we never saved to begin with. That is the point.
This means that if one is saved they will live like it. And once you are truly saved, you will not want to re-crucify Jesus afresh.
Hebrews 6:4-6
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
But to teach one that they can just walk the aisle and be baptized (get your ticket to heaven) and go back to your former way of life is a very bad thing. This is deception and can and does cause many to never come to know Jesus Christ personally as their savior. One should watch what they are saying and never cause one to lose their soul because of this type of teaching. If one takes the teaching of the OSAS an don’t understand it, believes in the ticket to heaven syndrome, and never comes to know Jesus Christ but just does the ritual aisle walk, then they will be lost in Church and never come to salvation. For the longer they go in this condition, the harder their heart will become and they may never truly believe in Jesus because they have convinced themselves that they are saved through the ritual then having coming into a real relationship with Jesus Christ. Thus never ever being saved in the first place.
WARNING - Never try to convince someone that they are saved because they walked the aisle or got baptized. You don’t know their heart, only God knows their heart. And if you convince someone they are saved when in reality they are not, then you are assisting Satan and helping them slide quietly into the pit of hell. If someone is not living like they are saved, then most likely they are not and never came to know Jesus as their Lord in the first place.
Matthew 7:22-23 (NKJV)
Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. . . . Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? (1 Jn. 2:19,22).
Should we just assume that all those who claim to be Christians are saved, no matter how they are living? No, the burden of proof is on the person who claims to be a new creation in Christ. Anyone who says he knows Christ as Savior should prove it by living a life that supports his claim. Paul said of such persons, "'The Lord knows those who are His,' and, 'Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity'" (2 Tim. 2:19).
The apostle John indicated that some who depart from the faith reveal that they were never really saved in the first place. He wrote, "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us" (1 Jn. 2:19). Given such possibilities, all we can do is conclude that a person either is or is not giving evidence of having eternal life. God alone is his Judge.
For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: "A dog returns to his own vomit," and "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire" (2 Pet. 2:20-22).
The illustration at the end of this passage shows us that Peter was not implying a loss of salvation. Since the dog was still a dog, and the pig was still a pig, they both went back to their own natural ways. Both returned because neither had experienced an essential change of nature. At best, both had merely been cleaned, combed, pampered, and flattered.
This is the best explanation for those who appear to have completely lost any faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. But if the truth were known, they never had it. They may have enjoyed many of the benefits of the truth and people of God for a while, but it had never resulted in a real change of heart. They had grown up among the wheat as hard-to-tell-the-difference weeds (tares). But in time they showed their true colors. John explained that, in leaving, they made it clear that their salvation was not the real thing (1 Jn. 2:19).
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In order to determine whether or not someone does not fit that mold, you will have to present hard facts that Jesus is not living through them. That's a hard endeavor, especially on an internet Message Board. Perhaps, you would be best served by casting your seed and leaving the growth up to God.
And God bless! But if this is true, then Paul wasted a lot of words. (It is in the understanding)
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Why certainly.
I was proud and smiled when my 2 year old brought her poo poo to the door, in one of them white plastic poo chair containers, as I was coming in from work 20 years ago.
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Do you smile much? Just wondering.
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Billy said "Paul spent many years in seclusion learning from Ananias before entering into a public ministry for Christ."
This is not a Biblical statement.
For Paul did not stay where Ananias was in Damascus because the disciples took him by night, and let him down by the wall in a basket, lest he be killed by the jews.
You caught me. Had I not been so hasty in my statement, I would have researched what I thought I remembered from reading the scripture and the sermons that I've heard. I did remember that Paul had been with Ananias, and I'd heard a sermon preached on the fact that he was three years away from the church (apparently derived from Galatians 1). This being said it is apparent that, in my rustiness on the life of Paul, I made a mis-statement that now I retract. Thank you for pointing out this falacy, brother. Now, is there anything else in my post that you disagree with, or do you concur with the rest?
Im not here to correct but to protect the truth.
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Billy said "Paul spent many years in seclusion learning from Ananias before entering into a public ministry for Christ."
This is not a Biblical statement.
For Paul did not stay where Ananias was in Damascus because the disciples took him by night, and let him down by the wall in a basket, lest he be killed by the jews.
You caught me. Had I not been so hasty in my statement, I would have researched what I thought I remembered from reading the scripture and the sermons that I've heard. I did remember that Paul had been with Ananias, and I'd heard a sermon preached on the fact that he was three years away from the church (apparently derived from Galatians 1). This being said it is apparent that, in my rustiness on the life of Paul, I made a mis-statement that now I retract. Thank you for pointing out this falacy, brother. Now, is there anything else in my post that you disagree with, or do you concur with the rest?
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Both those links are dead WildB..
Not in America~lol
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/kjv/simple.html
My own government is censoring me?!? How sick is that! ![[mad2]](graemlins/mad2.gif)
Or is it yours? Or both?
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Both those links are dead WildB..
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Billy said "Paul spent many years in seclusion learning from Ananias before entering into a public ministry for Christ."
This is not a Biblical statement.
For Paul did not stay where Ananias was in Damascus because the disciples took him by night, and let him down by the wall in a basket, lest he be killed by the jews.
( http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV2&byte=4911806 ) Acts 9
In fact Paul says he conferred not with flesh and blood: Neither did he go up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before him; but he went into Arabia. Then he returned to Damascus.
( http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV2&byte=5163541 ) Galatians 1
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Well Bill...
This is just my own personal pet-peave, but my dad's name is Bill. My name is Billy. I don't mean to correct you, but I'm the kind of person that would point out the a buger in a friends nose in order to show them that I am truly their friend.
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Well Bill I do enjoy meat and as for one calling somebody out, the Bible talks about "false brethren unawares". To whom we are not to give place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue.
I didn't say "calling someone out." I said "calling someone names." There's a big difference. I'm not doubting your motives. Just your methods.
In Christ,
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"What does He want from us?"
The short answer is, He wants you.
Wrong. He wants to be glorified in all the earth. It just so happens that He is glorified through His Son's work on the cross through which we find redemption. However, there are no redeeming qualities to be found in a sinner's heart. It is only when Christ lives through us that God can cast favor on us. He demonstrates His love for us in that Christ died for us while we were yet sinners. This biblical statement says about the desirability of the sinner, but everything about the incredible love of God.
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And what I am saying is that if you read scripture, and think you understand what He wants, but you offer the wrong sacrifice, then it cannot be described what you are missing.
The sacrifice has already been made, through His Son, Jesus Christ. All that we must do is repent and put faith in Him. In doing so, Christ works in us to the end of glorifying the Father. As "new creatures", we will no longer find our fulfillment in living in a lifestyle of sin and rebellion, but in serving the Lord and trying to be more like Him. This is not a sacrifice for the truly regenerate, but a joy.
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And of course the one attempting to convince...
It is not our job to convince or convict. We are mere vessels. We plant the seed. We water it. But the Lord makes it grow. It is the job of the Holy Spirit to convince and convict us of our sin and of the grace of God. It is our job to share the gospel and disciple one another as best we can. The truly regenerate will receive exhotation from us only as far as they can see the Holy Spirit speaking through us. This is why it is so important to seek guidance from the Lord in everything we say and do.
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But one may try to enrich, or describe! Yet it may be that he or she will only sound like a proselytizer. And someone addressed may be willing to think so, just so that they can stay closed to what is being said, because they want to promote their own view.
If what is being said is of God, and is presented in a loving manner, but the hearer still will not listen, it is not for us to tear them down or psychoanalyze them. It is only for us to pray, and continue with our message, all the while seeking to discern whether or not it is the right message. If what is being said is truly of God, and it is God's will for them to hear it, He will work in their heart and mind so that they will hear it. Remember, our battle is not with flesh and bones, but with the hierarchy of the spirit realm. We have no power, but that which is given us by the Son.
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One cannot shrink back because another doesn't understand, and doesn't want to try.
No, but they can pray for them, and continue with their message in a loving manner.
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If one is pleading because of what he (or she) has discovered...
That one would be best served by researching everything that has to do with the subject that they are speaking on, and be ready to articulate it in a manner that is beneficial for all that hear, before they venture to expound on it. Paul spent many years in seclusion learning from Ananias before entering into a public ministry for Christ. Jesus was thirty years old before He entered into His own public ministry, as was John the Baptist. We can learn a lot from these.
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if one is not standing on the Rock, and they are trying to stand their ground, when the flood comes it may be too late to adjust.
In order to determine whether or not someone does not fit that mold, you will have to present hard facts that Jesus is not living through them. That's a hard endeavor, especially on an internet Message Board. Perhaps, you would be best served by casting your seed and leaving the growth up to God.
In Christ,
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And that is reason to resort to name calling, eh? I think there is a lot of good meat to chew on, in the replies that I've posted above, regardless of the quarrels that have existed be MH and others on this board.
Well Billy, I do enjoy meat and as for one calling somebody out, the Bible talks about "false brethren unawares". To whom we are not to give place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue.
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Thanks all, for His sake!
We have all these denominations because people think it is this way or that. It comes down to, "Which is it?" But even closer to the meat of the matter is, "What does He want from us?" It is worth finding out.
The short answer is, He wants you. But what does that mean? Once again, it is worth finding out. And what I am saying is that if you read scripture, and think you understand what He wants, but you offer the wrong sacrifice, then it cannot be described what you are missing. (And this has nothing to do with osas.)
But one may try to enrich, or describe! Yet it may be that he or she will only sound like a proselytizer. And someone addressed may be willing to think so, just so that they can stay closed to what is being said, because they want to promote their own view. (Here is where the casting down imaginations thing comes into play.) And of course the one attempting to convince will have to endure slings and arrows of those who "oppose themselves," who go all out to persecute, but it is figured into the cost of serving. One cannot shrink back because another doesn't understand, and doesn't want to try.
But it is hard not to sound like one is dictating. One is not! If one is pleading because of what he (or she) has discovered, the aloof will not hear it this way. And on that note, Jesus says that to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, meaning to experience its fullness, one has to unpack. The Eye of the Needle, and the discussion of becoming as a child are our guiding verses to this end, because if one is not standing on the Rock, and they are trying to stand their ground, when the flood comes it may be too late to adjust.
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And that is reason to resort to name calling, eh? I think there is a lot of good meat to chew on, in the replies that I've posted above, regardless of the quarrels that have existed be MH and others on this board.
On another note, Michael, I have been reading some of your posts, and I have to say that you do confuse me, from time to time. As a brother, in Christ, I implore you to stop and pray before posting on this board. Thoroughly examine the scriptures that you use, and use them to edify the body. There is a place for standing your ground, but there is never a place for discord among the body of Christ. I look forward to hearing from you in the future. Just be sure that you are speaking the truth in love when you do speak on this board.
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Well David who are the "THEY" MH talks about?
Well, it appears to me as though MH answers this in his original post when he says, "someone [who] reads into a passage of text, a concept that they want to believe is being conveyed, and deceive their own person in their own heart and mind" This comes down to essential interpretive method. Something most theologians refer to as hermaneutics.
This particular form of Bible interpretation is known as eisegesis and can be very distructive when it does not concur with the immediate context of the passage in question or the whole of scripture, for that matter. Those of the more expository mindset prefer to stick to the more fact-based, exegetical form of Bible interpretation, which derives the meaning directly from the text rather than implanting meaning into it.
This is by no means a taboo topic among evangelicals, but one that has been debated openly for years. Many well known pastors hold to the same line of thought that MH is describing and have devoted entire sermon series to the subject. One of the best sermons I've ever heard on the topic was preached by none other than Alistair Begg. If MH is in line with Pastor Begg on this topic, I would have to say that I am very inclined to hear him out.
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Maybe them Once Sealed Always Sealed crowd?
See, here you show that you cannot distinguish between topics, when dealing with particular persons. Nowhere in his post do I see anything about the doctrines of regeneration, sanctification or security of the believer. This is obvious and blatant discrimination against a person for their beliefs on matters that aren't even being discussed.
I understand that topics brought up by our brothers can be confusing, at times, but we should take into account that we have not all sat under the same teachers. Furthermore, we should be cautious about how hard we are on certain people. We are not all at the same level of understanding or spriritual maturity, so you shouldn't expect the same level of doctrinal understanding or spiritual discernment from a new believer that you would expect from say Josh McDowell. Thus, forgiveness and patience should take precedence over the disfellowshipping of a well meaning servant of God, in matter such as these.
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Post like this are baiting and have no edifying value to the category in which it is presented...
I'd have to disagree because, as I've stated before, this is a very current and lively topic amongst many leading evangelicals, today. It is my honest opinion that, while this is definitely thought provoking and stimulates conversation, it is certainly not baiting. I certainly did not see him naming names, or calling people names, for that matter. This much I cannot say for the ones that have come against him on this thread.
Well Billy had you been here longer you could of read post after post of MHs definition of his "they" and it is nothing what you discribe.
Thats where the baiting of this post comes in.
With all the other post that he posted pryor to this one.
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Maybe them Once Sealed Always Sealed crowd?
Nowhere in his post do I see anything about the doctrines of regeneration, sanctification or security of the believer.
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They are simply under judgment, and a fearful one at that..
if it is wrong, you have no refuge..
not save you on that day..
That's what you said, but is that what you meant Michael?
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Well David who are the "THEY" MH talks about?
Well, it appears to me as though MH answers this in his original post when he says, "someone [who] reads into a passage of text, a concept that they want to believe is being conveyed, and deceive their own person in their own heart and mind" This comes down to essential interpretive method. Something most theologians refer to as hermaneutics.
This particular form of Bible interpretation is known as eisegesis and can be very distructive when it does not concur with the immediate context of the passage in question or the whole of scripture, for that matter. Those of the more expository mindset prefer to stick to the more fact-based, exegetical form of Bible interpretation, which derives the meaning directly from the text rather than implanting meaning into it.
This is by no means a taboo topic among evangelicals, but one that has been debated openly for years. Many well known pastors hold to the same line of thought that MH is describing and have devoted entire sermon series to the subject. One of the best sermons I've ever heard on the topic was preached by none other than Alistair Begg. If MH is in line with Pastor Begg on this topic, I would have to say that I am very inclined to hear him out.
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Maybe them Once Sealed Always Sealed crowd?
See, here you show that you cannot distinguish between topics, when dealing with particular persons. Nowhere in his post do I see anything about the doctrines of regeneration, sanctification or security of the believer. This is obvious and blatant discrimination against a person for their beliefs on matters that aren't even being discussed.
I understand that topics brought up by our brothers can be confusing, at times, but we should take into account that we have not all sat under the same teachers. Furthermore, we should be cautious about how hard we are on certain people. We are not all at the same level of understanding or spriritual maturity, so you shouldn't expect the same level of doctrinal understanding or spiritual discernment from a new believer that you would expect from say Josh McDowell. Thus, forgiveness and patience should take precedence over the disfellowshipping of a well meaning servant of God, in matter such as these.
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Post like this are baiting and have no edifying value to the category in which it is presented...
I'd have to disagree because, as I've stated before, this is a very current and lively topic amongst many leading evangelicals, today. It is my honest opinion that, while this is definitely thought provoking and stimulates conversation, it is certainly not baiting. I certainly did not see him naming names, or calling people names, for that matter. This much I cannot say for the ones that have come against him on this thread.
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It is a long way down from our high horse to where we can meet His understanding.
Six feet under, are ya dead yet?
1 Corinthians 1:18
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
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As with indwelling, sealing belongs to believers only and to all believers. In 2 Corinthians 1:22 Paul makes no exceptions in writing to a group in which exceptions could easily be justified. All are sealed. If this were not true, then how could Paul make it the basis for the exhortation not to grieve the Spirit in Ephesians 4:30? He would have to be saying that only that group of believers who are sealed should not grieve the Spirit.
THE TIME OF SEALING
Like indwelling, sealing takes place at the time of our conversion. The "and" in 2 Corinthians 1:22 links sealing with the gift of the Spirit as the earnest. And the Spirit is given when we believe (Acts 2:3Bowtech.
Ephesians 1:13 can legitimately be exegeted two ways which result in two different answers to the question of when are people sealed. The principal verb is "you were sealed." The aorist participle that accompanies it is "believing." Now the participle may express an action that preceded that of the principal verb. If so, then the believing occurred before being sealed; i.e., there was an interval of time between believing and being sealed. Or the participle may indicate action that occurred at the same time as that of the principal verb. If so, then the believing and the sealing happened at the same time. Exegetically either could be correct. But theologically, both believing and sealing must be simultaneous. Otherwise it would be possible to have unsealed believers.
THE AGENT(S) OF SEALING
Clearly God does the sealing of believers (2 Cor. 1:22). Less clear is the question of whether the Holy Spirit is also an agent. Ephesians 4:30 seems to indicate that He is because it uses the phrase "by whom." However, this could mean "in whom." Ephesians 1:13 is ambiguous; no preposition is expressed. The Spirit may be the Agent or the sphere of the sealing, or both. We are sealed by the Spirit and in the Spirit.
If both, it might be like saying, "I went to the store in my car." You could mean "by means of my car" viewing the car as the agent that took you to the store. Or you could mean "by sitting within (the sphere) of my car," viewing the car as the enclosure in which you were taken. Actually you did both. The car served both as the agent that took you and the enclosure in which you were located. Similarly, the Spirit did the sealing as the agent, and as a result we are enclosed in Him.
THE DURATION OF SEALING
Sealing is to the day of redemption (4:30). This refers to that future day when our redemption shall be fully accomplished, including receiving our resurrection bodies (cf. Rom. 8:23). Thus the sealing guarantees the complete fulfillment of God's promises to us. And no believer can become unsealed on his way to heaven.
THE RAMIFICATIONS OF SEALING
A. Security
The concept of sealing includes the ideas of ownership, authority, responsibility, and, above all, security. Sealing assures us of the security of God's promises to us, especially our salvation. We can be certain (a) that He possesses us, (b) that we have a secure salvation sealed by and with the Spirit, and (c) that He purposes to keep us to the day of our full redemption.
Registered mail furnishes a good example of the security concept in sealing. When registering a piece of mail, it not only has to be sealed carefully but then the post office stamps it a number of times across the edges of the seal to be able to detect any tampering with that seal. Only two people can legitimately break the seal, the recipient or the sender (if it is delivered back to him). In the case of believers, God is the Sender and God is the Recipient, and God is the One who does the sealing. So only God can break the seal and He has promised not to do so until the day of redemption.
Both 2 Corinthians 1:22 and Ephesians 1:13-14 mention the gift of the Spirit as an earnest along with sealing. The association is quite logical. Sealing guarantees that we shall receive all that God has promised us, some of which awaits our future redemption. The presence of the Spirit in our lives serves as an earnest or pledge that all will be fulfilled. In human affairs, once earnest money has been given and received, both the purchaser and the seller are pledged to complete the transaction. Similarly, the gift of the Spirit serves as God's pledge that He will not go back on any of His promises to us.
B. Purity
The thought of the day of our full redemption when we shall be perfect should shame us about sin in our lives now. Furthermore, the fact that we have a relationship with the Holy Spirit who is grieved when we sin should motivate us to purity.
What sins grieve Him? Any and all sins. But in the immediate context (the two verses that surround 4:30) sins of the tongue are highlighted. Of course, what comes from our mouths is indicative of what is in our hearts. The thought of being sealed by and in the Holy Spirit should guard our lips.
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It is a long way down from our high horse to where we can meet His understanding. When someone reads into a passage of text, a concept that they want to believe is being conveyed, and deceive their own person in their own heart and mind, how shall they expect to be saved by the words that are there. Thinking they will get away with it, will they hold God to their interpretation because they thought it said one thing, when the purpose of the text was to communicate the proper understanding to them, if they would only meet it by humbling themselves to understand? If one compromises with God, He will meet them. However, they cannot bend His will to meet theirs however 'right' they want to be. They are simply under judgment, and a fearful one at that. And God will point out that there were people who pointed this out to them and they would not receive it. So, believe what you will whoever you are, only if it is wrong, you have no refuge. It will not save you on that day no matter how persistantly you cling to what you believe it said. It doesn't count!
Everyone has the opportunity to seek, and to know Him. Don't waste it!
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Well David who are the "THEY" MH talks about?
Maybe them Once Sealed Always Sealed crowd?
Post like this are baiting and have no edifying value to the category in which it is presented...
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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
It is a long way down from our high horse to where we can meet His understanding. When someone reads into a passage of text, a concept that they want to believe is being conveyed, and deceive their own person in their own heart and mind, how shall they expect to be saved by the words that are there. Thinking they will get away with it, will they hold God to their interpretation because they thought it said one thing, when the purpose of the text was to communicate the proper understanding to them, if they would only meet it by humbling themselves to understand? If one compromises with God, He will meet them. However, they cannot bend His will to meet theirs however 'right' they want to be. They are simply under judgment, and a fearful one at that. And God will point out that there were people who pointed this out to them and they would not receive it. So, believe what you will whoever you are, only if it is wrong, you have no refuge. It will not save you on that day no matter how persistantly you cling to what you believe it said. It doesn't count!
Everyone has the opportunity to seek, and to know Him. Don't waste it!
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...your ramblings are not edifying...
...You have your own TYPE of tongues. When there is a malignant growth on the body...
It is usually very refreshing to me when see a person attack certain doctrines, within the confines of a high spirited conversation, with such fervor. However, you are not attacking a doctrine, but a person. Not only that, but you are doing it publicly, and without obvious support from elders within the same group. This is unbiblical and certainly not Christ-like. This does not reflect an accurate understanding of the passages laid out in the Bible regarding church discipline.
Now, I'm not an unbeliever, but if I were one, I would be hard pressed to find a reason to listen to you over Michael. You both profess to have the love of Christ, but it is obvious to the average onlooker that you are incapable of displaying it, in this particular thread. It certainly does not appear as though you've prayed about this at all, and you've yet to lay out a good case for your judgment against the poor fellow.
He does not seem to be beyond reproach. From what I've seen of him, he takes 'positive' criticism fairly well. So why is it that you would choose to insult him and call him names, rather than correct him in brotherly love when you feel as though he's made a mistake? I'm thoroughly baffled by your words.
Very well said. I have seen this often and wonder why what MH says ruffles so many feathers. I have wondered if I have missed something he has posted or something because I usually agree with his posts.
As for the post that started this topic I totally agree with him and see nothing at all wrong with the post.
As for anyone that thinks they can change the bible to say what they want it to say and claim the Holy Spirit told them a different version then what is actually in print. You are totally wrong as the Holy Spirit will not change God's word. Only Satan does that so whom ever thinks this is OK better be careful who they are listening to.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:14 (KJV)
He is the father of lies and deception is his game. I can see clearly in society today how he is trying to change what the bible clearly states. Don't fall for it.
Read the entire bible and base the content on the whole meaning of the entire bible. Not just parts of it.
1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:...
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I can see you have good intentions, but you're new here. There are things you don't know yet about the people involved.
I'm with you on this WildB.
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Well Bill, seeing you have only been here a short time I will answer your charge.
Because I have grown weary of His sillyness.
2Thes.3
[13] But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing.
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...your ramblings are not edifying...
...You have your own TYPE of tongues. When there is a malignant growth on the body...
It is usually very refreshing to me when see a person attack certain doctrines, within the confines of a high spirited conversation, with such fervor. However, you are not attacking a doctrine, but a person. Not only that, but you are doing it publicly, and without obvious support from elders within the same group. This is unbiblical and certainly not Christ-like. This does not reflect an accurate understanding of the passages laid out in the Bible regarding church discipline.
Now, I'm not an unbeliever, but if I were one, I would be hard pressed to find a reason to listen to you over Michael. You both profess to have the love of Christ, but it is obvious to the average onlooker that you are incapable of displaying it, in this particular thread. It certainly does not appear as though you've prayed about this at all, and you've yet to lay out a good case for your judgment against the poor fellow.
He does not seem to be beyond reproach. From what I've seen of him, he takes 'positive' criticism fairly well. So why is it that you would choose to insult him and call him names, rather than correct him in brotherly love when you feel as though he's made a mistake? I'm thoroughly baffled by your words.
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When there is a malignant growth on the body, you cut it out.
Not the person, but the sin!
I am coming to you Yahsway! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Oh no. The growth must be removed.
If it is immoral sin then the person must be witheld fellowship.. But this is not to be a PLEASANT expereince for neither the fellow being expelled NOR the congregation doing the expelling [in Christ]!
In our disciplship meetings, which is a church becuase two or more are gathered towgether in the Name of The Lord, to seek His Face, we were forced to expell a dear brother for a time, until he came to his senses and stopped sinning, and that of the WORST fashion!
He is back now, we missed him GREATLY and prayed every night for his safe return! ![[clap2]](graemlins/clap2.gif)
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You talk like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass.For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
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Numbers 4:9-10
And they shall take a cloth of blue, and cover the candlestick of the light, and its lamps, and its snuffers, and its snuffdishes, and all the oil vessels thereof, wherewith they minister unto it: and they shall put it and all the vessels thereof within a covering of sealskin, and shall put it upon the frame.
1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
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okay zeena, in your reading of the text in Numbers 4 how does this verse you quoted relate to 1 Corinthians 13 that you quoted?
It was originally given me to post the entire text concerning the Tent of Meeting before being informed some of you would take offense.. So I took from the most relevent text.
The Tent of Meeting stood in the courtyard, which is representaive of soul of a man, specifically The Christ, who was to come. And specifically representative of the Life of Christ within the soul. For this, as was the Tent's of David, Ezekiel and the Soloman were a type or shadow of the Temple of Christ who was yet to come. They were NOT the complete images thereof, for, can you compare a picture with a living being? Though, you can learn what the being is like if given enough picture, He may yet suprise you-hehe
The Lamps are for the Most Holy Place within the Tent of Meeting, where the Ark of the Covenant was to be placed [all types of Christ, who is God].. These things are a shadow of the realities that are in Christ! The Tent of Meeting differed from the Tabernacle. It was much more simple and a lot less grand in it's design. It was designed to move when God moved the Israelites, ergo it was a type of the PHYSICAL body of Chirst, while on earth. Which body we are [also His Spiritual Body, for God has joined us and made us One in Him and He is now risen and has recieved His Glorified Body]. The Lamps represent the Holy Spirit indwelling and infilling our Lord, while the BLUE SHADE on the Lamp represents the veiled covering of the Holy Spirit within Jesus. For though He was God, is God and will always be God, He became a man to save us!
1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
As we submit our soul's to the Living God we are filled IN THE SOUL with the Holy Spirit, through the veil
1 Corinthians 13:9-10
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away.
Matthew 24:36
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
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When there is a malignant growth on the body, you cut it out.
Not the person, but the sin!
I am coming to you Yahsway!
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You know I have had contact with some that read this board and they ain't got a CLUE what you Michael are posting about and some think that you only post to confuse the subject that most of us carefully have laid out.
I concur with them that your ramblings are not edifying and do tend to confuse even the learned.
You have your own TYPE of tongues.
The Bible says to stop this type of sillyness lest the unbelievers think the whole board mad.
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Have you ever talked to a Jehovah's Witness or a Mormon and wondered, "Why won't they listen to reason?" The truth of the text is laid out clear as day in front of them, and yet they straight refuse to hear it. I have an example.
One day, I was talking to a co-worker that was a Jehovah's Witness. We were discussing the subject of hell, and he was livid. I asked him, "If I could prove to you that the Bible does teach hell, would you then believe in it, and in the God that created it?" He basically replied that he could never believe in a God that is cruel enough to create a hell. In light of conversations that I've held like the one I've just described, I totally see where Michael is coming from.
Sometimes things can seem quite cryptic, when you are talking about scriptural matters. This doesn't mean that we should throw the baby out with the bathwater. We should probe further. If someone has made a point that doesn't make sense, or atleast not to you, ask questions. If they have misinterpreted a verse, or they are simply misusing, there are questions we can ask that will likely lead them to discover their own mistakes.
Regardless, I don't think it is very beneficial to make statements that even suggest an air of "you always do this" or "you never do that". Perhaps a better way would be to suggest solutions to what you perceive to be Michael's problem. You can tell him, "I think that could have been phrased better," or "Did you mean to say this... ?" Just a suggestion.
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okay zeena, in your reading of the text in Numbers 4 how does this verse you quoted relate to 1 Corinthians 13 that you quoted?
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I think i do know where MH is coming from and he may correct me if i am wrong.
I read and re-read a lot of post here and from what i see and read, a lot of you just pull verses from the Bible to make a point. But its not necesarily what the Bible is conveying.
When you take a verse from the scriptures, it must be read and understood in the context of that chapter.
Any of us can take a verse and wrap around our own theology around that verse.
Context is the key to understanding the scriptures.
And I believe this is what MH is talking about.
Scripture must also be illumed by the Holy Spirit.
How's about instead of slinging mud you correct us, please?
Who has done such where?
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I think i do know where MH is coming from and he may correct me if i am wrong.
I read and re-read a lot of post here and from what i see and read, a lot of you just pull verses from the Bible to make a point. But its not necesarily what the Bible is conveying.
When you take a verse from the scriptures, it must be read and understood in the context of that chapter.
Any of us can take a verse and wrap around our own theology around that verse.
Context is the key to understanding the scriptures.
And I believe this is what MH is talking about.
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You talk like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass.For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
Numbers 4:9-10
And they shall take a cloth of blue, and cover the candlestick of the light, and its lamps, and its snuffers, and its snuffdishes, and all the oil vessels thereof, wherewith they minister unto it: and they shall put it and all the vessels thereof within a covering of sealskin, and shall put it upon the frame.
1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
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It is a long way down from our high horse to where we can meet His understanding. When someone reads into a passage of text, a concept that they want to believe is being conveyed, and deceive their own person in their own heart and mind, how shall they expect to be saved by the words that are there. Thinking they will get away with it, will they hold God to their interpretation because they thought it said one thing, when the purpose of the text was to communicate the proper understanding to them, if they would only meet it by humbling themselves to understand? If one compromises with God, He will meet them. However, they cannot bend His will to meet theirs however 'right' they want to be. They are simply under judgment, and a fearful one at that. And God will point out that there were people who pointed this out to them and they would not receive it. So, believe what you will whoever you are, only if it is wrong, you have no refuge. It will not save you on that day no matter how persistantly you cling to what you believe it said. It doesn't count!
Everyone has the opportunity to seek, and to know Him. Don't waste it!
It's funny how you think you can add to the work of God, or take away from that which He accomplished for us... ![[hyper]](graemlins/hyper.gif)
Isaiah 28:20-22
The bed is too short to stretch out on, the blanket too narrow to wrap around you.
The LORD will rise up as he did at Mount Perazim, he will rouse himself as in the Valley of Gibeon— to do his work, his strange work, and perform his task, his alien task.
Now stop your mocking, or your chains will become heavier; the Lord, the LORD Almighty, has told me of the destruction decreed against the whole land.
Psalm 37:10-11
A little while, and the wicked will be no more; though you look for them, they will not be found. But the meek will inherit the land and enjoy great peace.
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It is a long way down from our high horse to where we can meet His understanding. When someone reads into a passage of text, a concept that they want to believe is being conveyed, and deceive their own person in their own heart and mind, how shall they expect to be saved by the words that are there. Thinking they will get away with it, will they hold God to their interpretation because they thought it said one thing, when the purpose of the text was to communicate the proper understanding to them, if they would only meet it by humbling themselves to understand? If one compromises with God, He will meet them. However, they cannot bend His will to meet theirs however 'right' they want to be. They are simply under judgment, and a fearful one at that. And God will point out that there were people who pointed this out to them and they would not receive it. So, believe what you will whoever you are, only if it is wrong, you have no refuge. It will not save you on that day no matter how persistantly you cling to what you believe it said. It doesn't count!
Everyone has the opportunity to seek, and to know Him. Don't waste it!
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