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This topic is being closed. It's part one has also been closed. There is a serious obligation on the Body of Christ to speak against the teaching of False Doctrine, to expose false doctrine and correct it with Biblical Truth.

However, making a circus of the serious command to the body to do these things is another story. The Bible also speaks against "jesting" which is facetiousness, scurrility, vilification,mocking.

The posting of these pictures is jesting and does not edify.

The serious command to mark those in the body who teach falsely, expose their doctrines of error and contend against them with the WORD of GOD which is truth is to be done in the spirit of love, and humility and humbleness of spirit that seeks to lift up and glorify our saviour who is Christ. This is not accomplished jesting.

A word to the wise should be sufficient.

In the future, please also respect the bandwidth usage of this board and do not post endless pages of quotes of one's self, and quotes of quotes of one's self.

The purpose of this board is to glorify and lift up Jesus. The exposing of false doctrine is encouraged making a circus event of it is not.

Ga 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

Col 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

1Ti 6:11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Tit 3:2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

Jas 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

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quote:
Originally posted by Eden:
Hi, Itty-Bitty Girl. I have no problem with you posting any scripture in the Bible. I'm just a little surprised at the strident manner in which you are presenting parts of your posts.

I love my Yahweh and my Jesus, and I can't imagine them being strident like that. Is the Holy Spirit telling you to say things like "you make me sick". I don't think I would ever say something like that to another child of God.

Be blessed.

Eden

What is strident, Eden?

I believe that the comments of people who defend the heretical Word-Of-Faith movement try to discourage me and they make my illness feel worse.

I am starting to feel even more physically sick from it all.

I think I need a nap.

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Originally posted by bought@paid4:

It matters not to me WHAT Joel Osteen preaches quite frankly unless or until he denies that Jesus is the Christ; or unless and until he denies that Jesus is the only way to get to God/heaven. That is what apostacy and anti- Christ teaching is! Not what Joel believes concerning finances, healing, speaking in tongues, or whether spirirtual gifts are for today or not.

Joel Osteen’s false teaching denies the Jesus of the bible and denies the God of the bible.

In doing so, the people who believe his hellish doctrine have accepted a false christ.

False christ, false gospel,

Scripture fulfilled:
GALATIANS 1:6-10 I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

False gospel, false christ,

Scripture fulfilled:
The Heresy: CORINTHIANS 11: 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye have received another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with them.

The prosperity gospel is heresy! Damnable heresy!

We must not bear with these false teachers!


It is in the open where Joel Osteen pretends to be a man of God.
It is in secret (privily) where his damnable heresies are brought in.


Scripture fulfilled:

The Heresy: 2 PETER 2:1-3 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

He has oppressed my brothers and sisters.
Manufacturing his own, man-made god and man-made jesus.


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Originally posted by bought@paid4:

No, I will not stay off your thread because this is a debate. I will not just take your word for who/what Joel Osteen is or what he preaches; any more than I would listen to someone who came and told me that my neighbor dresses in his wifes lacy panties and holds an umbrella in the rain while singing, "Yankee Doodle Dandy".

AH HA HA HA HA !!!!!!!! That was funny!

But on a serious note, I do NOT debate. DEBATE IS BAD, AND IF YOU CONTINUE TO TRY AND DEBATE ME, YOU WILL BE IGNORED.

ARE WE CLEAR, MISTER?


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Originally posted by bought@paid4:

It is not up to you to point people in the way of truth! That is the Holy Spirit's job! It is up to every individual believer to listen to the voice of the Spirit and study God's Word for themselves to see what they feel God is showing them is truth. It is not up to the "Wolf" criers to "show everyone the light" about anyone.

OH, SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT IT WAS NOT JESUS' JOB TO WARN PEOPLE OF THE LEAVEN OF THE PHARISEES??? Are you calling Jesus a "'Wolf' crier"?

That is disgusting.

I AM LED TO EXPOSE, AND THAT IS WHAT I WILL CONTINUE TO DO.


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Originally posted by bought@paid4:

You haven't provided any proof to back up your belief about the prosperity message, and I've already provided you with ample verses (most of which you've ignored) to prove that God wants us to prosper and have nice things.

Your so-called "proof" is verses of the bible that have been all twisted and corrupted to fit your sick agenda. Your sick "proserity heresy" agenda. That is why that scripture that you buchered has been ignored.


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Originally posted by bought@paid4:

God NEVER CALLED ANY PREACHER, TEACHER, OR LAYMAN, to bash other ministers.

You think I "bash"? Was Jesus "bashing" the Pharisees by warning others about them?

Oh, I get it. Exposing Joel Osteen’s false teaching is called “bashing,” standing up and speaking the truth about Osteen is called bashing…

I believe this is done to silence the truth about Joel Osteen.


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Originally posted by bought@paid4:

Now granted this is a debate board and so people try to get their points across through debate of each topic, but in real life, you (hopefully) wouldn't sit across from someone you know, or don't know, and try to brow beat them into submission of your beliefs.

What does "brow beat" mean?

Anyway, I refuse to debate what I believe to be a non-debatable issue. I REFUSE!


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Originally posted by bought@paid4:

Answer my questions itty- bitty. You keep avoiding them.

No. I keep ignoring them.


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Originally posted by bought@paid4:

CAN YOU SEE IN SCRIPTURE THAT:

- God made Job, Josheph, Ruth, Solomon, King David, the Israelites, Abraham, and many others rich in worldly goods/ "worldly things"? Yes or no?

Jesus was not rich in worldly goods, we are to follow the example of Jesus Christ, we are Christians!
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Itty-Bitty said:

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Fellow Christian...? That is so funny. That wolf is not a Christian.

He feeds off of the sheep.

And I AM NOT BEARING A FALSE WITNESS. DON'T SAY THAT, JIM!

That is outrageous, malicious, arogant, and WRONG!

It's obvious to me that you neither know what coveting or bearing false witness means.

I don't know Joel Osteen. I don't, and never have, attend his church. I've only watched maybe two or three of his programs while getting ready for church on Sunday mornings. It matters not to me WHAT Joel Osteen preaches quite frankly unless or until he denies that Jesus is the Christ; or unless and until he denies that Jesus is the only way to get to God/heaven. That is what apostacy and anti- Christ teaching is! Not what Joel believes concerning finances, healing, speaking in tongues, or whether spirirtual gifts are for today or not.

No, I will not stay off your thread because this is a debate. I will not just take your word for who/what Joel Osteen is or what he preaches; any more than I would listen to someone who came and told me that my neighbor dresses in his wifes lacy panties and holds an umbrella in the rain while singing, "Yankee Doodle Dandy".

Unless Joel Osteen is preaching the anti- christ doctrines that I mentioned above, and I hear it myself, it is none of my business what he preaches. And guess what? It is not up to you to point people in the way of truth! That is the Holy Spirit's job! It is up to every individual believer to listen to the voice of the Spirit and study God's Word for themselves to see what they feel God is showing them is truth. It is not up to the "Wolf" criers to "show everyone the light" about anyone.

You haven't provided any proof to back up your belief about the prosperity message, and I've already provided you with ample verses (most of which you've ignored) to prove that God wants us to prosper and have nice things. All you seem to do is call people names and attack their character and Christianity. Well, I cry FOUL!
It is not right, or Christian like, for you to behave in such manner.

God NEVER CALLED ANY PREACHER, TEACHER, OR LAYMAN, to bash other ministers. Instead we are to speak the truth in love so we can all grow up into the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ and who we are in Him. We are called to help, encourage, love on, and respectfully correct others who are wrong. But you know what, itty bitty girl, you and I (nor anyone else) is always right! If you don't agree with your fellow believers on certain docterines, it really doesn't matter because they don't have to agree with you. It's not your job to force everyone into bending to your beliefs. It's not your job to convence others of the truth (as you see it). It's our job to kindly (out of a spirit of love) present others in our lives with the truth and allow the Holy Spirit to either convence them of it or deny it's truth to them.

Now granted this is a debate board and so people try to get their points across through debate of each topic, but in real life, you (hopefully) wouldn't sit across from someone you know, or don't know, and try to brow beat them into submission of your beliefs.

Answer my questions itty- bitty. You keep avoiding them.

Edited to quote the question for you:

CAN YOU SEE IN SCRIPTURE THAT:

- God made Job, Josheph, Ruth, Solomon, King David, the Israelites, Abraham, and many others rich in worldly goods/ "worldly things"? Yes or no?

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Hi, Itty-Bitty Girl. I have no problem with you posting any scripture in the Bible. I'm just a little surprised at the strident manner in which you are presenting parts of your posts.

I love my Yahweh and my Jesus, and I can't imagine them being strident like that. Is the Holy Spirit telling you to say things like "you make me sick". I don't think I would ever say something like that to another child of God.

Be blessed.

Eden

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quote:
Originally posted by Eden:
Oh, by the way, Itty-Bitty Girl, I enjoyed your "favorite" picture of the wolves amid the timber.

I must say, though, that wolf Osteen head looks very happy in that picture. Couldn't you have found a more sour-looking head or a more vicious-looking head for wolf Osteen?

(Although such photos may be hard to find, what little I have seen of him, he's always smiling. But if we send the paparazzi after him, I'm sure they could catch him in a down moment...after all, he ain't Jesus, right?)

Be blessed.

Eden

No, sweetie. I liked the smiley one, because I wanted to display that Joel Osteen is a smiling liar.
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Oh, by the way, Itty-Bitty Girl, I enjoyed your "favorite" picture of the wolves amid the timber.

I must say, though, that wolf Osteen head looks very happy in that picture. Couldn't you have found a more sour-looking head or a more vicious-looking head for wolf Osteen?

(Although such photos may be hard to find, what little I have seen of him, he's always smiling. But if we send the paparazzi after him, I'm sure they could catch him in a down moment...after all, he ain't Jesus, right?)

Be blessed.

Eden

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quote:
Originally posted by Eden:
Hi, Itty-Bitty Girl. You say something like, "Eden, why are you in my thread?"

Eden here: I did not know that when we post a thread, that we are allowed to control who gets to answer and who doesn't? We don't, do we?

I mean, isn't it normal that our threads may or may not get a large variety of answers since God has made us all a little different and we all have different natural pasts?

Thanks to being bornagain, we now have God's help in a special way again, but our natural pasts also play a large part in which part or parts of the Bible we may be especially attracted to, like you seem especially attracted to this "false teacher" part of the Bible.

I'm personally more in love and overwhelmed by other parts of the Bible than pondering much on the "false prophets and false teachers", but hey, I'm not you, and you are not me.

But last time I looked, I do have a right to comment on any thread that is posted. And as for you being "sick of" Jim attacking you "publically", hey, what we post IS PUBLIC.

Itty-Bitty Girl, Have you considered being MORE IN PRAYER to God for these "false teachers" instead of spending so much time "becoming sickened" by them?

Be blessed.

Eden

IIght then... I guess I will have to tell the administrator about all of this heresy defending stuff that I have seen.

I don't like your attacks, Eden. I guess I will have to tell the admin about that too.

Enough is enough.

I feel that you have crossed the line.

I have put up with toooooooooo much mess.

I'm just too sick for that stuff, now.

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Hi, Itty-Bitty Girl. You say something like, "Eden, why are you in my thread?"

Eden here: I did not know that when we post a thread, that we are allowed to control who gets to answer and who doesn't? We don't, do we?

I mean, isn't it normal that our threads may or may not get a large variety of answers since God has made us all a little different and we all have different natural pasts?

Thanks to being bornagain, we now have God's help in a special way again, but our natural pasts also play a large part in which part or parts of the Bible we may be especially attracted to, like you seem especially attracted to this "false teacher" part of the Bible.

I'm personally more in love and overwhelmed by other parts of the Bible than pondering much on the "false prophets and false teachers", but hey, I'm not you, and you are not me.

But last time I looked, I do have a right to comment on any thread that is posted. And as for you being "sick of" Jim attacking you "publically", hey, what we post IS PUBLIC.

Itty-Bitty Girl, Have you considered being MORE IN PRAYER to God for these "false teachers" instead of spending so much time "becoming sickened" by them?

Be blessed.

Eden

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quote:
Originally posted by Eden:
Hi, Itty-Bitty Girl, I was looking at your post to Favorminded (Jim) and you said to Jim:

"I'm so tired of you trying to discredit everyone".

But on the first try of reading your sentence, the Lord had me read it like this first:

"I'm so tired of trying to discredit everyone."

When I was surprised at that reading, I looked again and then I saw that you were telling JIM that he was trying to discredit everyone.

Favorminded (Jim) has only recently posted so how can he already have "discredited everyone"? I don't get that.

Be blessed, Itty-Bitty Girl

Eden

Oh, by that, I was referring to past events.

***

What are you doing in here, Eden...??? You defend the false teachers like Jim does.

YOU twist my words, Eden. I CAN'T TRUST YOU.

You sicken me.

WHY ARE YOU HERE???

I EXPOSE THE FALSE TEACHINGS AND TEACHERS.

I DON'T WANT YOU IN HERE DEFENDING FALSE TEACHINGS AND TRYING TO DISCREDIT ME IN MY THREAD!!!

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Hi, Itty-Bitty Girl, I was looking at your post to Favorminded (Jim) and you said to Jim:

"I'm so tired of you trying to discredit everyone".

But on the first try of reading your sentence, the Lord had me read it like this first:

"I'm so tired of trying to discredit everyone."

When I was surprised at that reading, I looked again and then I saw that you were telling JIM that he was trying to discredit everyone.

Favorminded (Jim) has only recently posted so how can he already have "discredited everyone"? I don't get that.

Be blessed, Itty-Bitty Girl

Eden

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quote:
Originally posted by Itty-Bitty Girl:


Joel Osteen is only pretending to be a sheep so that he can feed off of the sheep.


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That is one of my favorite pics.
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quote:
Originally posted by Favor Minded:

STOP CALLING ME A LIAR!

LIAR!

LIAR!

LIAR!

YOU ARE LYING ON ME.


quote:
Originally posted by Favor Minded:

Not bothering me??

Are you serious??

May be I should expose YOU and all your private messages to me and about me AND about others? Hmmm?

Maybe, you should GET OUT OF MY THREAD! HOW BOUT THAT???


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Originally posted by Favor Minded:
And You ARE bearing false witness, over and over again.

DON'T SAY THAT!


quote:
Originally posted by Favor Minded:

NONE of what you say is truth, nor can it be substantiated -

I CAN substantiate (That means provide proof) my claims about him, Lakewood church, and their dealings with money...

What I am saying is truth and it can be substantiated with scripture.


quote:
Originally posted by Favor Minded:

And yes, you ARE bothering me -

You have been harassing me in PMs for days now...

And yes, you ARE bothering me as well -

You have been harassing me publically for days now... I believe that you are trying to discredit me, your attempts are not working.

Leave me alone, Jim!

I do however, stand up for what is right - Which is not you...

If you spent half as much time doing Gods work instead of trying to discredit those who do, alot more would get done..

I just get so tired of you trying to discredit everyone...It is just plain nauseating...

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Stop lying?

About what?

About their dealing with money? Mine IS the truth!! Yours is assumptions and heresay

Oh, I see - I am lying about the millions provided that if you had your way, would not have been?

STOP CALLING ME A LIAR!

I am not the one lying - That would be you - Mine is truth - And can be proven -

Not bothering me??

Are you serious??

May be I should expose YOU and all your private messages to me and about me AND about others? Hmmm?

And You ARE bearing false witness, over and over again.

NONE of what you say is truth, nor can it be substantiated -

I CAN substantiate (That means provide proof) my claims about him, Lakewood church, and their dealings with money...

You on the other hand, cannot.

And yes, you ARE bothering me -

You have been harassing me in PMs for days now...

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quote:
Originally posted by Favor Minded:

You're NOT exposing ANYTHING -

All you are doing is demonstrating what it means to sin by bearing false witness.

You continually are bearing false witness about a a fellow Christian - One whom GOD HIMSELF tells ALL of us VERY SPECIFICALLY, to pray for.

Fellow Christian...? That is so funny. That wolf is not a Christian.

He feeds off of the sheep.

And I AM NOT BEARING A FALSE WITNESS. DON'T SAY THAT, JIM!


quote:
Originally posted by Favor Minded:

Now - All you do is provide a non stop vendetta style attack, defame, and demoralization of his character, when you obviously have NO personal experience - And you really think Jesus approves???

I have plenty of experience, I saw all of the stupid things that he said. I SAW IT. DO NOT BEAR A FALSE WITNESS AGAINST ME!


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Originally posted by Favor Minded:

He teaches NONE of the things you spout off about, and what you have to realize is that you are sinning to the EXTREME when you claim that he does.

THAT is bearing false witness - period.

DON'T SAY THAT!


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Originally posted by Favor Minded:

He is one whom God use EXTENSIVELY, one whom God has used to GIVE FAR over and above what others should and could, to missions -

They have fed, clothed, preached to, had alter calls, brought the story of Jesus Christ crucified to literally 10s of thousands in 100's of far regions - And supported MANY MANY others in this way -

Building schools, drilling wells, providing MILLIONS of pounds of FOOD, CLOTHING, and MUCH MORE!!

A BUNCH OF FALSE TEACHINGS AND WORKS, THAT IS ALL THE JOEL OSTEEN DOES!

A FALSE JESUS.

A FALSE GOSPEL TO THE FAR REGIONS.

AND YOU APPLAUD THAT, Jim?

How dare you justify the evil the Joel Osteen does?

I find that repulsive, Jim.

You sicken me.


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Originally posted by Favor Minded:

You don't seem to realize that whether you ro anyone else likes it or not, God IS using them to bring these things in.

And it is FAR more than most.

He DOES NOT take a paycheck from the church - He DOES NOT beg people for money, and believe it or not, the bible does indeed teach that when you have been faithful in the small things, God WILL make you responsible for much more.

You have NO first hand knowledge, and almost NONE of what you spout off about Joel is truth.

STOP LYING, Jim.

STOP BEARING A FALSE WITNESS AGAINST ME, JIM!


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Originally posted by Favor Minded:
You just ramble on and on, quoting and talking to yourself, making these threads longer and longer with the same old garbage.

IF you want to stop making them longer, then stop replying to them, Jim.

I'm NOT bothering you, am I?

IF YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH WHAT I SAY HERE, THEN GET OUT.

DON'T WRITE YOUR INCITING, INFLAMMATORY, HERESY DEFENDING, TRASH TO ME.

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You're NOT exposing ANYTHING -

All you are doing is demonstrating what it means to sin by bearing false witness.

You continually are bearing false witness about a a fellow Christian - One whom GOD HIMSELF tells ALL of us VERY SPECIFICALLY, to pray for.

Now - All you do is provide a non stop vendetta style attack, defame, and demoralization of his character, when you obviously have NO personal experience - And you really think Jesus approves???

He teaches NONE of the things you spout off about, and what you have to realize is that you are sinning to the EXTREME when you claim that he does.

THAT is bearing false witness - period.

He is one whom God use EXTENSIVELY, one whom God has used to GIVE FAR over and above what others should and could, to missions -

They have fed, clothed, preached to, had alter calls, brought the story of Jesus Christ crucified to literally 10s of thousands in 100's of far regions - And supported MANY MANY others in this way -

Building schools, drilling wells, providing MILLIONS of pounds of FOOD, CLOTHING, and MUCH MORE!!

You don't seem to realize that whether you ro anyone else likes it or not, God IS using them to bring these things in.

And it is FAR more than most.

He DOES NOT take a paycheck from the church - He DOES NOT beg people for money, and believe it or not, the bible does indeed teach that when you have been faithful in the small things, God WILL make you responsible for much more.

You have NO first hand knowledge, and almost NONE of what you spout off about Joel is truth.

You just ramble on and on, quoting and talking to yourself, making these threads longer and longer with the same old garbage.

You continue to bear false witness if you like, but I can tell you that it will come at a price.

Your motives are obviously far from concerned about the flock, but rather a vendetta of some type.

If your motives were pure, yours would be full of REAL, truthful commentaries of REAL discrepencies between Joels teachings and what the Word says -

You would encourage prayer and be Christ like - But nothing in your words, actions, postings, and pictures, are, in my opinion, Christlike at all.

You would do well to observe the techniques of some like Linda (HelpforHomeschoolers) who can convey well their beliefs, and differences.

As she so eloquently stated earlier to me her issues with Joel - At least she did not go on and on making things up about what he said or did. No, rather she articulated well what she did and did not agree with about the things I said and about Joel Osteen.

I am not defending all the teaching of the Osteen family, but I am telling you from first hand knowledge that none of the things you say about him regarding money is truth, none of it.

You will never meet a person more genuinely concerned and caring about EVERYONE in his church.

God will deal with him in the areas he needs to improve, as in repentance and sin - 2 areas he talks little of - But NONE of the things you speak of are true -

They're simply assumptions dreamed up by you or read about on some heresy hunter website.

Why don't think about changing the this broken record of yours - This one is getting tired and scratched up.

Why don't you go after Paula White, or Jaunita Bynum, or Creflo Dollar - THE REAL "GIVE TIL IT HURTS" praise a thon gang from TBN -

Have you ever watched one of their praise a thons? There is a REAL sick display of gimme gimme God'll bless ya for it garbage - You won't see ANY of that activity in Lakewood church - Sorry to disappoint, but at least I can say because I know, unlike you...

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quote:
Originally posted by bought@paid4:

There is nothing wrong with wanting to be prosperous and have nice things. "Worldly things", as long as they aren't sinful things, are gifts of God for us to enjoy. God placed us here on earth to enjoy our lives, not suffer through them in some false sense of humility because we are destitute.

Worldly is sinful! Worldly is fleshy and repulsively carnal.

God gives us spiritual, pure things, not worldly things.


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Originally posted by bought@paid4:

No, Joel Osteen teaches them that God loves them so much that He provides for them not only what they need, but nice gifts as well. IT's called LOVE. Just as we give our children good gifts, so does God.

Matthew 7: 7- 11
Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened unto you: For every one that asks receives; and he that seeks finds; and to him that knocks it will be opened. Or what man is there of you, who if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more will your Father which is in heaven give good thngs to them that ask Him?

Oh, I see, so to you, you would say that "Worldly things", are "good gifts". That sickens me.

I thought that we were not supposed to be "of" the World.

Your posts are digusting, you pervert the gospel.

You sicken me.


quote:
Originally posted by bought@paid4:

James 1: 17
Every good and perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Oh, I see, so to you, you would say that "Worldly things", are even "good and perfect gifts". That sickens me.


quote:
Originally posted by bought@paid4:

Deuteronomy 8:17- 18
And you say in your heart, My power and the might of of my hand has gotten me this wealth. But you will remember the Lord your God: For it is he that gives you power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto your fathers, as it is to this day. (This was God speaking to the whole congregation of Israel.)

It is God that empowers us to get wealth. Prosperity, as explained in these verses, is part of our covenant rights given to us freely of God because of His grace (unmeritted favor). That was a part of his covenant with the Israelites in the old covenant. The New Covenant, the Bible says, is based on better promises than the old.

NOT FOR THE LAVISHING OF SELF. NEVER. NEVER. NEVER FOR THE LAVISHING OF SELF.

You are a perverter of the gospel of Christ. This must be why you so vehemently- excitedly, fiery, glowing, impetuously, hotly, irasciblely, passionately- defend the false teaching heretical wolf, Joel Osteen.

You are one of the many, who corrupt the word of God.

That is disgusting.


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Originally posted by bought@paid4:

Coveting is not the same as desire.
To covet means to wish for enviously; to crave the possession of that which belongs to someone else.

Desire means to long for, to wish, to crave.

Actually, I was referring to definition number one here, not two:

Main Entry: cov·et
Pronunciation: 'k&-v&t
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English coveiten, from Anglo-French coveiter, from Vulgar Latin *cupidietare, from Latin cupiditat-, cupiditas desire, from cupidus desirous, from cupere to desire
transitive verb
1 : to wish for earnestly <covet an award>
2 : to desire (what belongs to another) inordinately or culpably
intransitive verb : to feel inordinate desire for what belongs to another
synonym see DESIRE
- cov·et·able /-v&-t&-b&l/ adjective
- cov·et·er /-t&r/ noun
- cov·et·ing·ly /-ti[ng]-lE/ adverb

I stand by what I have said, "All of those victims of his are coveting."


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Originally posted by bought@paid4:
Psalm 37: 4
Delight thyself also in the Lord; and he shall give you the desires of thine heart.

Those desires are not supposed to be "WORLDLY DESIRES", they are supposed to be SPIRITUAL DESIRES.


quote:
Originally posted by bought@paid4:

The gospel is about the covenant that Jesus cut for us with the Father which includes properity. Most importantly the gospel is about our redemption through his death and resurrection, but part of our benefits given us in that covenant is prosperity.

THE PROSPERITY DOCTRINE IS A SCAM AND A LIE!

DON'T YOU DARE PREACH THAT GARBAGE IN MY THREAD EVER AGAIN.

CAN YOU RESPECT ME ENOUGH TO DO THAT?


quote:
Originally posted by bought@paid4:

Yes, it is, actually. Jesus tried to correct them MANY times with his teachings. That was their personal warning that they were wrong. Then Jesus said that His witness of what he was saying was God the Father and they needed to listen (he said he only spoke what the father told him to speak). Then Jesus "outed" them to everyone because they wouldn't repent. In front of everyone he told the Pharaseehs that they were hypocrites full of dead mens bones.

You are not making any sense, all of what you say seems twisted and screwed up.

I can't hardly process any of it.


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Originally posted by bought@paid4:

Judging you? No, I have just observed your blantant attitude toward them, not just their doctrine. Judging you would be to judge that I know the motive behind what you are doing. I can plainly see that you hate them. Look at all the nasty names you call them and the pictures you use to libel them!

HA!!! That was funny, I made those myself.


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Originally posted by bought@paid4:

That's your opinion but it's not based on the whole of scripture.

It is not an opinion, it is a well known fact, and I do use the scripture.


quote:
Originally posted by bought@paid4:

See, let them alone means to ignore them. If they won't listen to the truth set before them, ignore them. It doesn't say to slandar them.

Oh, so to you, the truth is slander? You sicken me.


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Originally posted by bought@paid4:

Give me a break. They are not leading people to hell. Unbelief in Jesus leads people to hell.

Believing in a false jesus and a false god that Joel Osteeen preaches is "Unbelief in Jesus" and it "leads people to hell."


quote:
Originally posted by bought@paid4:

These people aren't even born again. They deny (refuse) Jesus as their Savior and preach another gospel.

They "deny (refuse) Jesus as their Savior" by listening to and believing false teachers like Joel Osteen, who "preach another gospel." That gospel of Joel Osteen pleases man.


quote:
Originally posted by bought@paid4:

The Word of Faith movement is not a cult. A cult is group or system of religious worship according to the world. But to Christians, a cult means a religious system that denies individuals their own freedom of reason, thought, and belief. The WOF movement doesn't even come close to that.

Oh, yes it do come close to that. They are all equal to Warren Jeffs.


quote:
Originally posted by bought@paid4:

The leaven of the Pharasees was coveteousness and works righteousness, instead of faith righteousness.

Jesus warned others about false teaching wolves, just as I am doing.


quote:
Originally posted by bought@paid4:

That is correct. Let me put it to you this way then. According to the Bible, gossip, slander, libel, and bearing false witness against your neighbor is a sin. You shouldn't do it. You are not speaking for God by doing this.

IIight then, don't slander me then. Don't come at me with your lies and twisted scripture. You are not speaking for God by doing this.

Go continue to sleep in your lies, while I continue to stand up for what is right.

If you spent half as much time doing Gods work instead of trying to discredit those who do, alot more would get done..

I just get so tired of you trying to discredit me...It is just plain nauseating...

You sicken me.

My thread is NO PLACE to peddle the prosperity doctrine of greed!

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Veheminately??? What does THAT MEAN?

Sorry, that should have said vehemently- excitedly, fiery, glowing, impetuously, hotly, irasciblely, passionately.

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Oh, and I do have an idea as to [b]what you consider to be "nice things". By "nice things", I believe you mean, "worldly things".

That would be a, "Yes". There is nothing wrong with wanting to be prosperous and have nice things. "Worldly things", as long as they aren't sinful things, are gifts of God for us to enjoy. God placed us here on earth to enjoy our lives, not suffer through them in some false sense of humility because we are destitute.

When God created Adam and Eve, He gave them the whole world to rule over. That's what I call rich! That is what I would call favor. BTW, grace means unmerited favor. It's by God's unmerited favor through faith in Jesus blood that we are saved.

You just completely ignored more than half of what I just told you between this thread and the one on "Does God want us to be rich".

CAN YOU SEE IN SCRIPTURE THAT:

- God made Job, Josheph, Ruth, Solomon, King David, the Israelites, Abraham, and many others rich in worldly goods/ "worldly things"? Yes or no?

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That is what Joel Osteen teaches others to do. Joel Osteen teaches people to covet and lust for worldly things.

No, Joel Osteen teaches them that God loves them so much that He provides for them not only what they need, but nice gifts as well. IT's called LOVE. Just as we give our children good gifts, so does God.

Matthew 7: 7- 11
Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened unto you: For every one that asks receives; and he that seeks finds; and to him that knocks it will be opened. Or what man is there of you, who if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more will your Father which is in heaven give good thngs to them that ask Him?


Oh, your going to say that's not what itthat scripture means too?

How about this one?:

James 1: 17
Every good and perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

or this one:

Deuteronomy 8:17- 18
And you say in your heart, My power and the might of of my hand has gotten me this wealth. But you will remember the Lord your God: For it is he that gives you power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto your fathers, as it is to this day. (This was God speaking to the whole congregation of Israel.)

It is God that empowers us to get wealth. Prosperity, as explained in these verses, is part of our covenant rights given to us freely of God because of His grace (unmeritted favor). That was a part of his covenant with the Israelites in the old covenant. The New Covenant, the Bible says, is based on better promises than the old.


quote:

All of those victims of his are coveting.

Coveting is not the same as desire.
To covet means to wish for enviously; to crave the possession of that which belongs to someone else.

Desire means to long for, to wish, to crave.

Psalm 37: 4
Delight thyself also in the Lord; and he shall give you the desires of thine heart.

quote:

We are to be in the world, not of the world.

Having desires does not make us of the world, but it means we exist. We are alive. We were not created to desire/ have nothing.

We are not to want what doesn't belong to us (covet). For example: Mrs. Strong has a prosperous business. Mrs. Coward wants to own Mrs. Strong's business and in fact feels that she deserves to have Mrs. Strong's business when she does not. That's called coveting.

Another example:
Mr. Nice has a beautiful wife. Mr. lustful wants to have her. That is coveting.

What is not coveting:
Sally saw Clara's red bike. Sally wants a red bike like Clara's.

What is coveting:
Sally saw Clara's red bike and she wants it. She doesn't just want a bike like Clara's, she wants Clara's bike.


quote:

If you want to be like the rich and have numerous multi-million dollar homes and drive fancy $200,000 cars, is that God's will for your life? To own symbols of status in this world?

Yes, it obviously is God's will. So much so that He made prosperity a part of His new covenant with us. All of those nice things of the world aren't just for the world, and are not of the world. Anythng that's of the world is also of the devil and anything that's of the devil produces only destruction. Having nice things does not produce destruction in one's life.


quote:
All that the wolves such as Joel Osteen do is feed on the lusts of others, using religion as a crutch to support their evil habits and adding to their evil gains.

THEY PREACH NO GOSPEL! They have no God-given authority to evenpreach that twisted filthy candy-coated poison to anyone.

The gospel is about the covenant that Jesus cut for us with the Father which includes properity. Most importantly the gospel is about our redemption through his death and resurrection, but part of our benefits given us in that covenant is prosperity.


quote:
Originally posted by bought@paid4:

I don't know what lies behind your hate of these ministers who are blessed and I won't try to judge that motive because we aren't suppose to. You also should not be judging the motive behind these preachers who believe in prosperity. It is not up to you to police these people. It is Okay to debate Christian doctrine to be sure it is correct. It IS NOT okay for you to name names unless you KNOW personally, 100% that a certain preacher is only preaching for what they get out of it. And even then, you must go to them alone first and try to correct them in a spirit of love. "Love covers a multitude of sins". Then if they don't repent you take a couple witnesses with you and correct them again; giving them more opportunity to repent. Then if they continue to steal from people, you "out" them in order to protect those who are giving.

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What?

What?

What?

Are you serious? Please, tell me you playing around.

uh, no, I'm not.


quote:

Is that little method what Jesus did to the Pharisees?

Yes, it is, actually. Jesus tried to correct them MANY times with his teachings. That was their personal warning that they were wrong. Then Jesus said that His witness of what he was saying was God the Father and they needed to listen (he said he only spoke what the father told him to speak). Then Jesus "outed" them to everyone because they wouldn't repent. In front of everyone he told the Pharaseehs that they were hypocrites full of dead mens bones.


quote:
How can you say that I hate these ministers? Are you judging me?
Judging you? No, I have just observed your blantant attitude toward them, not just their doctrine. Judging you would be to judge that I know the motive behind what you are doing. I can plainly see that you hate them. Look at all the nasty names you call them and the pictures you use to libel them!

quote:

The prosperity doctrine is a heresy! Joel Osteen is a heretic!

I am exposing that heretical wolf.

That's your opinion but it's not based on the whole of scripture.

quote:

The Pharisee: ST. LUKE 15:14 [b]Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into a ditch.

See, let them alone means to ignore them. If they won't listen to the truth set before them, ignore them. It doesn't say to slandar them.

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Don’t you see how serious this is, the blind Heresy too cannot lead those who are blind. [b]They are leading people to hell.
Give me a break. They are not leading people to hell. Unbelief in Jesus leads people to hell.


quote:

The Heresy: 2 PETER 2:1-3 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And [b]many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

These people aren't even born again. They deny (refuse) Jesus as their Savior and preach another gospel.

quote:

You see, we have to [b]stay away from the Word-Of-Faith cult, and also warn others about it, just like Jesus did.

The Word of Faith movement is not a cult. A cult is group or system of religious worship according to the world. But to Christians, a cult means a religious system that denies individuals their own freedom of reason, thought, and belief. The WOF movement doesn't even come close to that.

quote:


The Pharisee: St. MATTHEW 16:6 [b]Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

The leaven of the Pharasees was coveteousness and works righteousness, instead of faith righteousness.


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You don't have the right to tell me what I don't have the right to do.

That is correct. Let me put it to you this way then. According to the Bible, gossip, slander, libel, and bearing false witness against your neighbor is a sin. You shouldn't do it. You are not speaking for God by doing this.
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Joel Osteen is "big money grip"... while the coveting poor people who give to him are flat broke.

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He has oppressed my brothers and sisters.
Manufacturing his own, man-made god and man-made jesus.

What Joel Osteen is doing is DANGEROUS. THIS IS NOT A GAME.

Joel Osteen is getting paid for preaching hellish doctrine by the people that it is leading to hell. How twisted is that???


Very twisted. Joel Osteen is so hungry for that money... It is just plain nauseating...

He has opressed so many.

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quote:
Originally posted by bought@paid4:

God is the one who provides the "things of the world" that you seem to oppose so veheminately. There is nothing wrong with having or desiring nice things, money, etc. There is something wrong with chasing after these things with all covetousness and greed.

Veheminately??? What does THAT MEAN?

Nothing wrong with having or desiring "nice things", money, etc?

Oh, and I do have an idea as to what you consider to be "nice things". By "nice things", I believe you mean, "worldly things".

That is what Joel Osteen teaches others to do. Joel Osteen teaches people to covet and lust for worldly things.

All of those victims of his are coveting.

We are to be in the world, not of the world.

If you want to be like the rich and have numerous multi-million dollar homes and drive fancy $200,000 cars, is that God's will for your life? To own symbols of status in this world?


quote:
Originally posted by bought@paid4:

The prosperity message is not about worshiping God and money. It is about a loving God who desires to bestow good gifts upon His children. It's God's idea, not ours. And BTW, Jesus did not say that money is evil, He said the LOVE of money is the root of evil.

Jesus said you cannot serve God and money. Of course you can't! If all you care about is money and finding ways to make lots of it, you cannot and will not expend your energy to do God's will. Greedy people are comsumed with making money and not spending any of it. They just want to build bigger barns and ignore all the starving around them and/or doing God's will with their money.

I know that ALREADY! Joel Osteen worships money, that is why he preaches the prosperity doctrine and waters-down the gospel.

All that the wolves such as Joel Osteen do is feed on the lusts of others, using religion as a crutch to support their evil habits and adding to their evil gains.

It is a scam. Prosperity Charades!

It's amazing how covetness works these days. The prosperity preachers use covetness as a lure because THEY are coveting. The preachers want more cash so they dangle a "get rich quick scheme" as bait.

How dare Joel Osteen exploit the poor? The exploited poor hope that they too will have the so-called "favor" that the ravening wolf preaching from the pulpit possesses.

Those prosperity preachers like Joel Osteen are some sick... sick... sick... sick... sick... sick... sick... sick... people.


quote:
Originally posted by bought@paid4:

There are, I have no doubt, some preachers who are greedy and "fleece the flock", as you put it, into giving so that they can build bigger barns for themselves. The New Testement makes it clear that there should be no arm twisting in our giving by preachers. However, the New Testement also tells us that the gospel can't be preached without the funds to spread it, so we need to give to ministers so they can preach the gospel... "How can they preach unless they be sent?" That's talking about MONEY! They can't go to Africa and preach to the natives with NO MONEY to get there!

I WOULD NEVER GIVE A DIME of my money to any word-of-faith minister of darkness like Joel Osteen! What would I do something like that for?

THEY PREACH NO GOSPEL! They have no God-given authority to evenpreach that twisted filthy candy-coated poison to anyone.


quote:
Originally posted by bought@paid4:

I don't know what lies behind your hate of these ministers who are blessed and I won't try to judge that motive because we aren't suppose to. You also should not be judging the motive behind these preachers who believe in prosperity. It is not up to you to police these people. It is Okay to debate Christian doctrine to be sure it is correct. It IS NOT okay for you to name names unless you KNOW personally, 100% that a certain preacher is only preaching for what they get out of it. And even then, you must go to them alone first and try to correct them in a spirit of love. "Love covers a multitude of sins". Then if they don't repent you take a couple witnesses with you and correct them again; giving them more opportunity to repent. Then if they continue to steal from people, you "out" them in order to protect those who are giving.

What?

What?

What?

Are you serious? Please, tell me you playing around.

Is that little method what Jesus did to the Pharisees?

Did Jesus "go to them alone first and try to correct them in a spirit of love. 'Love covers a multitude of sins'." Then if they didn't repent, did he take a couple witnesses with him and correct them again; giving them more opportunity to repent?

What kind of sense do that make? What IS THAT?

How can you say that I hate these ministers? Are you judging me?

The prosperity doctrine is a heresy! Joel Osteen is a heretic!

I am exposing that heretical wolf.

]We have to LEAVE THEM ALONE!

The Pharisee: ST. LUKE 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into a ditch.

Don’t you see how serious this is, the blind Heresy too cannot lead those who are blind. They are leading people to hell.

The Heresy: 2 PETER 2:1-3 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Different name, same game.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You see, we have to stay away from the Word-Of-Faith cult, and also warn others about it, just like Jesus did.

The Pharisee: St. MATTHEW 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.


quote:
Originally posted by bought@paid4:

Somehow I don't think you know intimately and closely any of these ministers, so what are you doing? You don't have the right to do this!

Try to stop me, then, since you want to say something.

You don't have the right to tell me what I don't have the right to do.

I'm doing it, and you can't do anything about it.


quote:
Originally posted by bought@paid4:

If you don't agree with doctrine, attack doctrine and be ready to back it up with scripture. But it is not right to personally attack the minister and spread slander, heresay, and gossip. Even if you really believe that Joel Olsteen is only in the ministry for his personal profit, you don't KNOW that. Even if he were stealing through his ministry, that is no more a sin than you gossiping about him.

Slander, heresay and gossip? You seem to be slandering me right now. I know that Joel Osteen is opressing my brothers and sisters with a false gospel which demands payment in cash to his fat pocket.

And if you don't like what you see up in my thread, you can get out.

I am not forcing you to be here and see the truth, am I?


quote:
Originally posted by bought@paid4:

You have already been told that he doesn't get a check from the church. Yet you still want to blast him because you don't agree with his doctrine and judge the motive of his heart behind his doctrine when you have no clue what the motivation of his heart is for teaching this doctrine. The Bible clearly teaches us that it is not okay to gossip or judge or bear false witness. As far as I'm concerned, that is all you are doing here. And the reason that I am calling you out on this is because I am fed up with Christians attacking other Christians based on their judgements of those Christians motives when they don't and CAN'T know those motives.

Paul did NOT attack the messenger of false messages, he attacked the false message and backed it up with scripture.

It is not right of you to attack, slander, and judge your fellow believers just because you don't think they are right in their interpretation of scripture.

Go ahead and sleep in lies, if that is what you want to do... I don't care.

But as for me, I am happy to be awake, with my dark-brown eyes open to the truth.

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In Joel’s theology, a Christian may love the world and the things therein, while the love of the Father still remains in him. Osteen’s Christ allows Christians to worship both God and mammon to no eternal danger of their souls.
God is the one who provides the "things of the world" that you seem to oppose so veheminately. There is nothing wrong with having or desiring nice things, money, etc. There is something wrong with chasing after these things with all covetousness and greed.

The prosperity message is not about worshiping God and money. It is about a loving God who desires to bestow good gifts upon His children. It's God's idea, not ours. And BTW, Jesus did not say that money is evil, He said the LOVE of money is the root of evil.

Jesus said you cannot serve God and money. Of course you can't! If all you care about is money and finding ways to make lots of it, you cannot and will not expend your energy to do God's will. Greedy people are comsumed with making money and not spending any of it. They just want to build bigger barns and ignore all the starving around them and/or doing God's will with their money.

There are, I have no doubt, some preachers who are greedy and "fleece the flock", as you put it, into giving so that they can build bigger barns for themselves. The New Testement makes it clear that there should be no arm twisting in our giving by preachers. However, the New Testement also tells us that the gospel can't be preached without the funds to spread it, so we need to give to ministers so they can preach the gospel... "How can they preach unless they be sent?" That's talking about MONEY! They can't go to Africa and preach to the natives with NO MONEY to get there!

I don't know what lies behind your hate of these ministers who are blessed and I won't try to judge that motive because we aren't suppose to. You also should not be judging the motive behind these preachers who believe in prosperity. It is not up to you to police these people. It is Okay to debate Christian doctrine to be sure it is correct. It IS NOT okay for you to name names unless you KNOW personally, 100% that a certain preacher is only preaching for what they get out of it. And even then, you must go to them alone first and try to correct them in a spirit of love. "Love covers a multitude of sins". Then if they don't repent you take a couple witnesses with you and correct them again; giving them more opportunity to repent. Then if they continue to steal from people, you "out" them in order to protect those who are giving.

Somehow I don't think you know intimately and closely any of these ministers, so what are you doing? You don't have the right to do this!

If you don't agree with doctrine, attack doctrine and be ready to back it up with scripture. But it is not right to personally attack the minister and spread slander, heresay, and gossip. Even if you really believe that Joel Olsteen is only in the ministry for his personal profit, you don't KNOW that. Even if he were stealing through his ministry, that is no more a sin than you gossiping about him.

You have already been told that he doesn't get a check from the church. Yet you still want to blast him because you don't agree with his doctrine and judge the motive of his heart behind his doctrine when you have no clue what the motivation of his heart is for teaching this doctrine. The Bible clearly teaches us that it is not okay to gossip or judge or bear false witness. As far as I'm concerned, that is all you are doing here. And the reason that I am calling you out on this is because I am fed up with Christians attacking other Christians based on their judgements of those Christians motives when they don't and CAN'T know those motives.

Paul did NOT attack the messenger of false messages, he attacked the false message and backed it up with scripture.

It is not right of you to attack, slander, and judge your fellow believers just because you don't think they are right in their interpretation of scripture.

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Selling blessings, cash your check in, cause he chargin'.

In Joel Osteen's church, you have to pay for a blessing from God with cash!

Joel Osteen the wolf, said:
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Sometimes it is hard for us to grasp that God wants us to prosper in every way...God wants us to prosper financially, to have plenty of money, to fulfill the destiny He has laid out for us. One of the most important Biblical principles that shows us how to prosper is the principle of sowing and reaping...

People tell me, "Joel, He is God. If He wants to bless me, He can." Friend, God works by laws. You can't expect to reap a harvest without first planting your seeds. If you will be faithful and do what God is asking you to do, God will do His part. Don't let the enemy deceive you into holding on to your seed--get it into the ground!

As you read this, God may be speaking to your heart. Trust that He will direct you how and where He wants you to sow your seed. If you are moved to send a seed gift in the enclosed reply envelope..." (Joel Osteen, letter from his ministry 2005 as cited at http://www.myfortress.org/JoelOsteen.html ).

For the love of money!

For that meeeeeeeeeeean greeeeeeeeen.

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That is disgusting!

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Joel Osteen is "big money grip"... while the coveting poor people who give to him are flat broke.

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He has oppressed my brothers and sisters.
Manufacturing his own, man-made god and man-made jesus.

What Joel Osteen is doing is DANGEROUS. THIS IS NOT A GAME.

Joel Osteen is getting paid for preaching hellish doctrine by the people that it is leading to hell. How twisted is that???


He bite backs, his pockets fat, cause he chargin'."


It is in the open where he pretends to be a man of God.
It is in secret (privily) where his damnable heresies are brought in.



Scripture fulfilled:

The Heresy: 2 PETER 2:1-3 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

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It is Christian to expose false teachings and teachers like Joel Osteen. Nothing wrong with that.
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quote:
Originally posted by Favor Minded:
Wow!!

It is weird enough that you carry on a conversation with only yourself - Not to mention the scathing PM's I am still getting from you, but now you have stooped to the lowliness of the world!

How "Christian" do you believe it is to post those pictures?

Is that what Jesus would have done?

It's just an illustration, Jim. Don't worry about it. It's gonna be okay.
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Wow!!

It is weird enough that you carry on a conversation with only yourself - Not to mention the scathing PM's I am still getting from you, but now you have stooped to the lowliness of the world!

How "Christian" do you believe it is to post those pictures?

Is that what Jesus would have done?

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Matthew 24:36
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father

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I like those pictures.
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Joel Osteen is a Wolf in Sheep's clothing!

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Joel Osteen is only pretending to be a sheep so that he can feed off of the sheep.


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quote:
Originally posted by Itty-Bitty Girl:
What kind of savior is that? What kind of christ is that?

Oh, that's just the false christ of Joel Osteen.
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quote:
Pastor Joel preaches a ‘kinder, gentler, worldlier’ Christ.

One who does not offend.

One who asks nothing of them.

One who does not require man to lose his life to gain it.

One who does not judge.

One who promises to abundantly bless men with the riches beloved of the world.

One who simply cheers Christians on to victory over the world, the flesh and devil, for We Are the Champions.

One who has no cross for men to carry.

One whose will is frustrated by man at every turn.

One who has forgiven the world, yet cannot save the world, try as He may.

One whose primary attribute is love, yet His love fails more often than not, sending multitudes to the eternal pains of Hell.


What kind of savior is that? What kind of christ is that?
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Joel Osteen perverts the gospel of Christ.
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False Christ, false gospel,

Scripture fulfilled:
GALATIANS 1:6-10 I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.


Joel Osteen is a false apostle.

Scripture fulfilled:
The Heresy: CORINTHIANS 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.


False gospel, false Christ,

Scripture fulfilled:
The Heresy: CORINTHIANS 11: 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye have received another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with them.


Believing Joel Osteen doctrine will corrupt your life.

Scripture fulfilled:
The Heresy: 2 TIMOTHY 4: 2-4 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


You better think twice, before you accept his false Christ,
as Lord of your life.

Scripture fulfilled:
The Heresy: 2 PETER 2:1-3 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.


That rhyme made sense.

1 CORINTHIANS 11: 19 For there must also be heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

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False Christ, false gospel,

Joel Osteen is a false apostle.

False gospel, false Christ,

Believing Joel Osteen doctrine will corrupt your life.

You better think twice, before you accept his false Christ,
as Lord of your life.


I had to address that in a rhyme. I like to rhyme.

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Good morning, evening, afternoon, my kind brothers and sisters.

I address this to the decieved at Lakewood Church.

Either it be the people in Joel Osteen's church, or just the people who tune into his programs, or even the decieved who read his books and take his spiritual rat poison into their hearts.

We must never ever bear with such an evil wicked man, this wolf in sheep's clothing is getting just the exposure that he deserves here.

This is part 2:


Osteen Preaches a False Christ

In preaching a false Gospel, Osteen, of necessity, preaches a false Christ. The Christ he worships is under bondage to the will of man, ever so careful not to overstep the bounds of man’s alleged free will decision either for Him or against
Him. Christ’s will is subservient to man’s will. Thus, in Osteen’s reality, man is the greater God, for the Lord is always greater than the servant, Matt. 10:24.
Osteen’s Christ takes extreme pleasure in blessing Christians with material blessings, those things beloved, esteemed and sought by the world.

In Joel’s theology, a Christian may love the world and the things therein, while the love of the Father still remains in him. Osteen’s Christ allows Christians to worship both God and mammon to no eternal danger of their souls.

Osteen’s Christ saves none outright, though He has paid the price for all, though He has forgiven all. His Christ only saves those who agree to being saved. His Christ willingly shares the glory of salvation with man who, by his wise and holy free will decision, makes Christ’s sacrifice successful. His Christ, though called ‘Savior,’ fails to save most of the world, to His shame and humiliation.


“And if people can ever really see how good our God is, they'll come running to Him.” [Sermon: The Great Commission]


Though Christ never sinned, doing only good, and telling only truth, He was beaten, mocked, tortured and crucified. This is how religious men, who read and studied the Scriptures, received Him. Though Christ was a Rock of Offense and a Stone of Stumbling, Pastor Osteen would have unregenerate sinners welcome his false Christ with open arms of love. And why wouldn’t they? Pastor Joel preaches a ‘kinder, gentler, worldlier’ Christ.

One who does not offend.

One who asks nothing of them.

One who does not require man to lose his life to gain it.

One who does not judge.

One who promises to abundantly bless men with the riches beloved of the world.

One who simply cheers Christians on to victory over the world, the flesh and devil, for We Are the Champions.

One who has no cross for men to carry.

One whose will is frustrated by man at every turn.

One who has forgiven the world, yet cannot save the world, try as He may.

One whose primary attribute is love, yet His love fails more often than not, sending multitudes to the eternal pains of Hell.


Source Cited: http://www.iconbusters.com/iconbusters/htm/heretics/Joel%20Osteen%20Open%20Letter.pdf

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