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Carmela
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Lar when I said that, I was defending what you believe. I was defending the fact that neither you nor anyone else should be made a public display of just because someone may disagree with you. I keep using the woman at the well. Jesus waited for her at the well. I'm sure He knew she was coming. He didn't go to her house, drag her out in the street and ask everyone what they thought of her sin. None of us have ALL of the answers so if you say something that I disagree with, I will discuss it with you but not you or anyone else into a public spectacle by posting a poll or whatever. That is wrong. If you were just saved a month ago, we need to realize that you are a new Christian. I'm not saying you are, it's just that we don't know how long someone on this board has been a Christian yet sometimes we judge them by the same standards we judge ourselves when we have been Christian's for year. Although I knew this, I wasn't applying it on the board. I was assuming that we were all at a similar level. HFHS kindly reminded me that we are all at different places in our walk with Christ and I'm thankful she did.
I do agree with you that the Clinton's and all people should be treated with love and respect and kindness. However, I disagree that they anyone should be holding them in front of a church service and using them as a Godly example for many to see when they have obviously not been a good example of what Christ came for or the sacrifice He made. Not to mention being a bad example of what Jesus teaches us. I don't know what Benny Hinn said about the Clinton's or what that was all about, but I do know that Bill and Hillary have set a very bad example and I feel that if Benny Hinn is using them as an example then many Christians can be led astray.
WHY? Because they see the life style he lives, the lies he tells, and the confession of being a Christian and then they relate the two together which makes Christianity look bad. And the of course we have Hillary standing up for abortion.
I love the Clinton's because I know Christ loves them. However, I would never defend them until I see them confess true Christianity and become the Godly examples we are meant to be. As of right now, they are giving Christianity a bad name and that is a poor reflection on what Jesus came and sacrificed His life for.
When I made my post to becauseHElives, I wasn't referring to what he believes. I was referring to the way he talks to people and implies they are idiots which belittles them and can cause someone to go against Christ because they are not seeing God's love being displayed to others as it should be. We are to show love to others just like you said. I wasn't seeing love in his posts, I was seeing ridicule and belittling and things were said that tear people down. That is something I strongly disagree with.
I don't even think Jesus would defend the Clinton's if He were here. He would go to them and show them their wrong ways so they can grow and stop their sin. If I defend what they believe in, then that is like telling a non-Christian that abortion is ok. That adultery and lies are ok. They are not. It's sin and must be addressed as sin.
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Lars7,
Amen to your posting! I am in total agreement with what you've said in your posting. It is so very true! God bless! I enjoy reading your postings.
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Carmela said>...I have seen some wonderful posts by Lar7 so just because he isn't posting by your standards, doens't mean he is doomed to hell. It only means he is human and still learning just like you and the rest or us.
Thanks for defending me....but He is right....I am for Bill Clinton....even though I never posted such a thing...Im for all people like Bill Clinton and his wife as well....Not in reguard to what they may stand for....but as long as there is a breath in His lungs he still has a chance to come to the Lord. So for this reason and this reason only do I support anyone who is lost no matter what they may stand for or believe....Anyone who cuts someone down due to or because of what these people may stand for just does not know the Father....God is Love....He is not about Love....He is not like Love...He is Love.....And our walk as Sons of God is a by prouduct and or fruit of our realationship with Him....I see it this way....God has extended His Love towards me in His Grace....unmerited favor...in His mercy and forgivness....freely I have recieved these gifts from God not based on my merit....So I do what Jesus told me to do....Jesus says freely you have recieved....so freely give....I treat all people with the same Grace....mercy...forgivness that God extends towards me....So yes I stand for all lost people and or false prophets and anyone that has not confessed Jesus as there Lord.....because it is not over till its over.
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becauseHelives I would just like to say one more thing to you.
I really respect you and I believe you have a lot of knowledge for the bible. I also see that you really love Christ and you desire to follow and serve Him.
I appreciate you changing the wording of your posts. The only issue I was addressing was how you and sometimes others address each other which isn't being done out of love. I feel that is wrong and I have a tendency to stand up for what I believe in. You do the same and that is good. I appreciate your honesty and sincerity and your heart for Christ. However, I feel that the way people are being addressed here in the forum needs to be brought up and changed. Other then that, I don't want to be in a bubble. I just don't don't want to be any part in the mistreatment of others or have to continually read it.
Love, Carmela
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Well I should be interested to know what Mr.Mark has to say about those photos because those are actually very infamous photos of a real accident that happened in Galaway Ireland and at least two of the photos are doctored because the Crane did not go over, but did recover the Walsh's tow truck. These pictures have been all over the internet. They were actually taken by a Nicolas Griffin who owns a bar in the village of Roundstone Conemmara, Galaway, Ireland and he has the copyright on them.
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Born Again,
A huge amen to your posting! God bless you very much!
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becauseHElives writes quote:
Lars7
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Do you really believe Jesus would have endorsed Bill and Hilary?
Endorsed? For what? To be a Christian?
John 2:25
And {He} needed not that any should testify of man: for He knew what was in man.
But that Jesus died for the Clintons is clear, and that the Clintons went to church is clear; if I recall, they even carried Bibles in public.
But whether they personally accepted Christ's work on behalf of their own penalty, that I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if they HAD accepted it.
But even if they HAD accepted it, that does not mean that they are suddenly "sinless" in the practice of their own lives, eventhough the Lord has forgiven them 100% thru Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 2:12
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are FREELY GIVEN to us of God.
God bless, ![[Cross]](graemlins/cross.gif) BORN AGAIN
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I agree with you White Eagle. If the Clinton's were standing up and saying they repented and changed their ways, then I would love to see that made public. However, Clinton sure made a mockery of America when He was President since he claimed Christianity yet certainly didn't live a Christian life style. Not to mention the whole world saw it unfold. It's so sad really.
However, at the same time I will keep praying for them. Jesus loves them in spite of their downfalls. God showed this unconditional love in Exodus for the Israelites. They certainly weren't being any more of an example then Bill or Hillary. However, God continued to prove His love to them. He continued to feed them and lead them. It just took a lot longer then it should have taken to make that journey because of their sin.
I will get off your back becauseHElives but I first would like to say that I skimmed back over Lar7's post and didn't see him mention the Clintons.
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quote:
Originally posted by becauseHElives:
I edited my post, except the first one
All I will say is that apostasy is truly upon us,
when people will except a man like Bill Clinton and a women like Hilary Clinton as representatives of the Gospel
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Do you realy believe Jesus would have endorsed Bill and Hilary?
Do you really think Jesus would endose you? Or me or anyone else based on our own merits?
I probably dislike the politics of Bill and Hilary just as much as you do. To me they are evil people. That's my flesh talking here.
But aren't we all evil in God's sight without Christ's blood covering us?
I couldn't be paid to even watch Bill or Hilary on TV, that's how I feel about what they stand for.
Yet, I also "see" that the battle for their souls isn't over yet. Who knows what kind of impact occurred, in being accepted by Rev. Graham with love.
Love covers a multitude of sins. Praise Jesus! That's why He came.
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I edited my post, except the first one
All I will say is that apostasy is truly upon us,
when people will except a man like Bill Clinton and a women like Hilary Clinton as representatives of the Gospel
Lars7
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Do you realy believe Jesus would have endorsed Bill and Hilary?
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Your welcome. He has others that are good also like the Crippled Lamb and...umm I can't think of the name but its something about a rose.
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Carmela,
Thank you very much for your posting and as always I really enjoyed it. Also thank you for recommending that book. I really appreciate your doing so! There probably are many others who would like to check out the book. It sounds like a very good one.
God bless you very much,
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Thank you, and I appreciate your posts also.
Gramajo there is this really good kids book called You Are Special by Max Lucado. It address not worrying about what others think of you that only what the Maker thinks of you is what matters. It would be a good book for your grandchildren. Although I love His books too. lol
May God bless you and your family.
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Carmela,
Amen to your posting and I certainly agree with you. I truly appreciate your postings very much.
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It's ok Gramajo I don't mind if becauseHElives tells me what is on his mind. I am not offended. My only concern is what my Savior thinks of me and the bible makes that clear.
I do agree with you totally bHl about a degree. It means nothing to me. However, I am not an idiot and the wisdom God has given me has done way more for me then my education. However, implying someone is an idiot also implies that you think you are better then others. I believe that God loves me just as much as he loves you and a sinner. He doesn't have favorites, He just accepts us right where we are and HE WILL CAUSE GROWTH IN ME! No man can do what God has done in me and in others. I love you as a brother in Christ, but I disagree with the way you talk to others and put people in the forum down for disagreeing with you.
I would like you to do one favor for me though please. Please search through ALL of my old and recent posts and show me where I have said I agree with Billy Graham or the Clinton's. I never have. I didn't even see the show to form an opinion on it. I never said anything about the ministry.
My point which seems to elude you is that we are treat each other with love, respect, dignity, building each other up, encouraging each other so they can grow, guiding them and not tearing them down.
I have not qualm in your beliefs but I do have a qualm in how you treat people.
If you want me to, I will go put the scriptures here where Jesus taught of love and building each other up and encouraging instead of tearing down.
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BecauseHeLives,
Your words in your posting to Carmela can only be deemed as very offensive. Calling other people idiots is also very offensive and it certainly isn't christian which you should know and realize by now!
So far as Billy Graham having the Clinton's on the platform during his crusade there is nothing wrong with that at all. You need to know and you need to remember that only God can see into each person's heart! You also need to know and remember that in the way you judge others so will God judge you! You call yourself christian but your words of ugly insults certainly indicate you do have a problem.
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BecauseHeLives,
Now you need to remove Mark Matteson's internet address from your posting because you are using it in a most unethical way just like your using the pictures from Mark's web site in a very unethical way - especially when knowing that any reproduction from Mark's site is strictly prohibited! How unethical! Nothing you say can justify your actions whatsoever!
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BecauseHeLives,
When you took those pictures from Mark Matteson's web site which strictly prohibits any reproductions from his web site, your actions were and still are unethical. Mark has very high principles and excellent ethics. Now you have posted his internet address and you are using it in the wrong way. Nothing you can say will ever justify whatsoever what you've done nor what you continue to do!
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Carmela,
A huge amen to your posting! I am in total agreement with your posting! God bless you!
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Also becauseHelives, when I stop listening and seeking Jesus and start following you....then it will be the blind leading the blind. Except I only consider myself to be half blind because Jesus is still teaching me.
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becauseHelives, I see in your reply to me that you are justifying the idiot remark by bringing up something that wasn't even related to the post. I am not: quote:
Meaning #1: a person of subnormal intelligence
nor have I seen anyone on this forum that I would call of subnormal intelligence. Maybe your standards of yourself are a bit higher then they should be which is why you are classing those of us that disagree with you as having subnormal intelligence. I have 2 college degrees and I will be getting another this year. All of my grades are A's and occasional B's. Does that sound like an unintelligent person's grades?
Next, you started bringing up Clinton and others; oh yes and implied that maybe I am in agreement with them. Please go read all of my posts and show me where I have spoken something that is an untrue religion. This post was not about other ministries or I wouldn't have responded. I am only responding to the treatment toward others.
As far as I know, no one on this forum has this huge evangelical ministry. We are all human although you may feel you are perfect and you follow perfect doctrine, the bible says this:
I Jn 1:9-10
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
(KJV)
I am held accountable only to my Savior and in Him alone will I trust. I and others here do not need you putting us down and judging us because we don't live up to your standards. We only need to live up to God's standards. I pray daily and ask God to continue teaching me and leading me to the correct path that leads to HIM! Man can not prove anything to me because I only want to go by what God tells me so that I am not led astray. If I'm wrong, God will show me and the rest of us. We don't need someone pushing themselves in our face and putting us down. I have a feeling that if you were to stand before the Lord today, you too would be shown some things that you believe and are wrong since the bible tells us NONE are perfect.
My concern isn't with everyone else's ministry but I do care about other Christians that are being put down instead up built up and encouraged so that they can grow. God will reveal the truth to us and to you in HIS time because He only shows us a little at a time and never gives us more than we can handle.
I have seen some wonderful posts by Lar7 so just because he isn't posting by your standards, doens't mean he is doomed to hell. It only means he is human and still learning just like you and the rest or us.
You seem to have forgotten that you to are just a man. You are not perfect either. God will judge you according to how you are judging others. You are not better then me or anyone else on this forum because we all fall short. We are all different and we all have certain strenghts God will use in us that differ from another.
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Rom 3:21-25
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
(KJV)
Sin doesn't just come by breaking commandments, it's also how we treat others, what we say and think and do....
When you go to meet Jesus face to face, then you can point a finger at me. Until that day comes, look at the log in your own eye instead of the twig in mine and other posters please.
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Grandmajo, I look foward to their response ![[hyper]](graemlins/hyper.gif)
I am not allowed to have an oppinion on what I see or how I veiw something, would you put all art critic's out of bussiness or commentators
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Betty, I could not have said it better myself ![[thumbsup2]](graemlins/thumbsup2.gif) ![[type]](graemlins/type.gif)
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BecauseHeLives,
Mark Matteson would not appreciate your posting his internet address and using it in the way you are now doing and moreover you should not have done it. As I said he is a very well known business man, author, and a personal friend of my daughter. So you will please not use Mark's internet address in the way that you've done! It is neither ethical or funny. Mark has excellent ethics so you will please not post his internet address to be used the way that you did! It is wrong to do that and if I'd known you were going to use it that way I'd never have willingly gave it to you at all! Last night I referred the matter to another person.
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BCL,
My mind is not it's best at night, I just realize who you were talking about. The false prophets are the blind leading their congeration who has become blind from listening to false and half-false Gospel for so long.
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Thank you for the link, that is what I was asking for
I appologize for doubting you
but I had never heard of that web site, as I said I was sent the pictures by e-mail
The blind leading the blind
Picture showing the appostasy of our day
http://www.mattesonavenue.com/Humor/humor5.htm
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Type in MattesonAvenue - that is Mark Matteson's web site!
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BecauseHeLives,
I most assuredly am not making up an alleged Mark Matteson web site! I am not a liar and you are so wrong to imply that I am a liar! Mark Matteson most assuredly has a web site - he is a very well know and very successful business man! He is a personal friend of my daughter. Those pictures you posted in this thread came from Mark Matteson's web site that strictly prohibits the reproduction from his web site!
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BecauseHeLives,
The Village of Matteson is not connected to Mark Matteson's web site whatsoever.
Those pictures came from Mark Matteson's web site.
Mark Matteson's site strictly prohibits the reproduction of anything on his site.
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I did not get those pictures from a web site! they were sent to me in an e-mail.
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I was just thinking of the 2 greatest commandments God gave us.
1. Love God
2. Love your neighbor as yourself
We are first called to love each other. The Lord will teach us the rest and equip us with what we need to know.
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Carmela
No problem. It is just in our home calling each other idiot is a major offense. I can't say I never use the term but only when some one endangers us on the road. Then I may call them a idiot.
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BecauseHeLives,
You had absolutely no right to post those pictures here on this board and in this thread.
Mark has it very clearly stated on the first page of his web site that it is strictly prohibited to reproduce from his web site. So you have committed an unlawful act. I'm going to see to it that Mark is aware of it and then you'll have to accept the consequences of your actions of not only what you did but also of your lying about it!
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Thanks Gramajo. I'm not always perfect but I love God, I love learning and I cound it all joy to be able to lift each other up in the Lord and encourage others as Jesus taught us to do.
God bless you also Gramajo
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Carmela,
Amen to your postings and I am in complete agreement with what you have said in each posting.
God bless you for the work you are doing in working to further the Lord's Kingdom. I know the Lord blesses you for it! God bless you very much!
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I'm sorry TG I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to this:
Quotes by becauseHelives:
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Blind leading the blind and they shall all fall in the ditch
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These pictures remind me of many here on the board
The pics explain why I included that quote.
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there are many sweet people here profesing themselve to be wise, but in the end they are found to be idiots of the word of Yahweh
I could find others if I went through other posts.
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I would appreciate you showing a post where I called anyone on this board an idiot. Seriously, I don't even call my husband that when I am mad at him.
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I don't. Also, I haven't seen anyone else calling each other idiots and stuff.
TG I don't think it's right for anyone to keep putting each other down. I realize people are mad at me because I asked David to start another section, but I want to be able to post in a section where everyone is kind and loving to each other, even when we disagree. It's ok to disagree but it isn't ok to hurt each other this way.
When David started the false teaching section, it was brought up about people in bible study running the others down behind their back. I haven't seen that happen and I would address it if I did. It's wrong no matter how does it.
As I keep saying, I'm not upset with the disagreeing, I'm upset with the treatment of each other as is shown above by becauseHelives. I was just told of another person that just left because of it and I have only been here a few weeks. So, my goal is to create a section where people can post and not be put down, judged, criticized and so on.
I have seen some wonderful words of wisdom come from some of the people that believe in exposing false teaching. However, I have also seen many that tear down the body of Christ. If we are the body, we should be working in unity, even when we disagree.
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This kind of goes both ways. The same people who complain here about post about false prophets go to that section and complain too.
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David added a section for apostasy posts for a reason. I was just going to ignore the fact that you chose to push it and continue trying to push your opinions on us. Not to mention judge us and put us down constantly.
Many good Christian people keep leaving this board because they come for good bible study and instead find people putting each other down and calling names. Jesus didn't work that way.
I have been working on getting people back to this board so that we can have good bible study in the bible study section because I feel that if people keep leaving then the negativity will remain here. I don't think that is fair to David who created this forum for Christians to fellowship and encourage each other and have bible studies. Now I won't speak for David since I don't know what his exact plans were for creating this forum but when I'm home alone I like to come to the forum and fellowship with others.
When I'm here I would like to encourage others, build them up, study with them, learn for others and so on. Even pray for each other.
Many, many people have come to the board that I have learned about just in the few weeks that I have been here and left because of the way people get treated.
We have been warned becauseHelives but our Christian walk is ours. When we go before the Lord to be judged, we will be standing there alone and we will be held accountable for our actions. That is something that is between God and myself alone. I choose to treat others with love and respect and dignity and if that means Jesus will turn me away, which I doubt, then it will be me that chose that walk and will have to live with it.
I understand you believe differently then we do, but I also feel that we shouldn't have someone breathing down our necks, calling us stupid idiots, and all of the other negative things that have been spoken.
Unless David asks me to leave the site, my focus while I'm here is going to be to build a church in this forum that has the intent of focusing on Jesus and building each other up. Not tearing each other down. Whether I can make a difference here or not, only time will tell. However, I refuse to accept any words spoken that are meant to tear me or others down. The poll you did on Lar7 is just an example of how people are being torn down. He can defend himself fortunately but if he were a new Christian just learning, your comments and criticism could have caused him to leave Christianity completely. That isn't what Jesus was about.
I will do my thing here in the bible study section with people like me that want to study the word as a group and encourage each other.
You can do your thing in your section and speak to people however you feel best. David gave you a section to do that in. Please stick to it unless you are going to treat others with dignity and respect.
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BecauseHeLives,
Mark has it written in plain sight on his own web site that any reproduction is strictly prohibited. That means everything that is on his own web site is strictly prohibited to reproduce. Those pictures you posted are on Mark's own web site. I recognized them immediately. Reproduction is strictly prohibited! The truth is that you are doing wrong by posting them here on this board and also doing wrong by claiming they are public domain. They are not public domain and Mark not only needs to know about it but he will know about it - that's a guaranteed promise! You had no right whatsoever to post them here on this board and in this thread!
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BecauseHeLives,
Are you quite certain it's public domain - you took them from Mark's own web site.
Also for in the way you judge others God will also judge you.
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BecauseHeLives,
The pictures you've posted belong to Mark Matteson that Mark has on his own web site. Do you have his permission to use them in this thread and in this way. Mark is a personal friend of my daughter. I suggest you should ask Mark's permission before taking and posting them here.
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and you would be talking about who?
as the blind leading the blind?
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Blind leading the blind and they shall all fall in the ditch
all I can do is warn them, even if they do not listen
The pictures at the following web site remind me of many here on the board
http://www.mattesonavenue.com/Humor/humor5.htm
They call it "Tell me about your bad day!"
I call it the blind leading the blind!
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That was a good post, Lars7, I liked it.
I hope you will stay for a while on this Free Christian Internet Bible College where "everybody is a student" and "everybody is a teacher".
God bless, BORN AGAIN
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Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them]. Eph. 5:11: The Greek word that was translated "fellowship" here is SUGKOINONEO. This is a rare Greek word for "fellowship" and was only used three times in the New Testament (here; Phil. 4:14; Rev. 18:4). This is the only time of the three where it was translated "fellowship." The more common Greek word for "fellowship" (KOINONIA) was used 18 times in the New Testament.
The Greek word used in this verse is denoting actually partaking of others' ungodly deeds, as can be seen by the way it was translated in Revelation 18:4. There the Lord told his people to separate themselves from the ungodly religious system lest they become partakers (SUGKOINONEO) of her sins and receive of her plagues.
So, the instruction in this verse is not to shun unbelievers, but rather, not to participate in their ungodly deeds. In fact, it is important to notice that the "works of darkness" are what we are to avoid, not the people who are doing these acts. Of course, there are many arguments for having godly associations, but it is not following the example of Christ to totally avoid contact with the lost. We are to reject the sin but not the sinner.
Verses 11-13 give us a simple way of judging whether or not our contact with the lost is in a godly fashion. We are supposed to reprove (see note 20 at this verse) their actions. If we can do that and still maintain relationship, then we are probably relating to them in the proper way. If we are not exposing their deeds to the light, we should question whether the relationship is really God's will. Care has to be taken that we are the one ministering righteousness to them and not the other way around, where they are ministering ungodliness to us.
Eph. 5:11: This English word "reprove" was translated from the Greek word ELEGCHO. It was translated "rebuke" (1 Tim. 5:20), "tell him his fault" (Mt. 18:15), and "convince" (Ti. 1:9). These uses, combined with the following two verses, leave no doubt that this is speaking of shining the light of God's righteousness on the ungodly darkness of the lost. We must take a stand against ungodliness.
Yet there is a right and wrong way of letting our light shine. The Pharisees were hypocritical in their proclamation of what was light. They also missed the issues of the heart and only dealt with the external. They totally omitted love and were self-serving in their rebukes. The truth without love is like a club (see note 29 at Eph. 4:15, p. 1120) and tradition ministered in a judgmental attitude is even worse.
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does not the scriptures say have no fellowship with such people...
Ephesians 5:11
"Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them."
the Clinton openly endorse Homosexuals, Abortion and sexual misconduct
New York Daily News
Bill, Hil join hands
at Graham crusade
By MONIQUE EL-FAIZY
and TRACY CONNOR
DAILY NEWS WRITERS
Sunday, June 26th, 2005
On the second night of his New York crusade, evangelist Billy Graham got a little help from two friends - Bill and Hillary Clinton.
The ex-President and New York's junior senator joined the crowd of 80,000 at Flushing Meadows-Corona Park, Queens, and were greeted like soul mates.
The audience screamed as Bill Clinton took Graham's hand and spoke about previous revivals.
"Hillary and I are honored to be here tonight ... 46-plus years after I attended my first Billy Graham crusade," Clinton said.
"I took Hillary in 1971, and in 1979, when he came back to Arkansas, I was the governor. So I've been doing this a long time."
He said Graham won his heart decades ago when he refused to speak to a segregated audience.
"I was just a little boy, and I never forgot it and I've loved him ever since," Clinton said. "He's about the only person I know who I've never seen fail to live his faith."
Graham returned the favor, lavishing the Democratic power duo with praise.
"They're a great couple," he said. "I told an audience that I felt when he left the presidency he should be an evangelist because he has all the gifts and he'd leave his wife to run the country."
Mayor Bloomberg and Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) also attended last night's rally, which had a more youthful feel than the first night.
A concert by the Christian pop group Jars of Clay helped pack the park with teens, and the 86-year-old Graham tailored his sermon to the younger generation.
He threw in references to Madonna, the Rolling Stones and the new "Star Wars" movie and mentioned the time U2 frontman Bono visited his home.
The kids gave the white-haired Southern gentleman the rock-star treatment.
"I came for Billy Graham - then found out the bands were here," said Reid Ouse, 16, from Minnesota.
Earlier in the day, the sandbox set was treated to a performance by Gotham's newest superhero, a Spandex-clad, sword-wielding do-gooder named Bibleman.
He mesmerized an estimated 10,000 tots by spouting Scripture and kicking **** . Graham ends his crusade, which he says will be his last in the U.S., with a rally this afternoon.
With Richard Schapiro
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/322548p-275769c.html
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