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WildB
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Agreed.
But going along the lines of your previous posts it will also take the missionary / evangelism ethic and effort it took the Pilgrims and missionaries who came to the New World to share the Gospel.
The US has become a melting pot of the various religions and atheism and the modern missionary / evangelical (meaning all of us Christians) have our work cut out for us.
Trouble is, we are too busy fighting and arguing with each other, living worldly lives, not studying our Bibles or praying as we should... we are too concerned about not missing time on the computer or hunting or watching TV to do much about the mission at hand...
so here we are... potentially a nation of Christians again... potentially...
LOL, your aok for a John Hale !
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Agreed.
But going along the lines of your previous posts it will also take the missionary / evangelism ethic and effort it took the Pilgrims and missionaries who came to the New World to share the Gospel.
The US has become a melting pot of the various religions and atheism and the modern missionary / evangelical (meaning all of us Christians) have our work cut out for us.
Trouble is, we are too busy fighting and arguing with each other, living worldly lives, not studying our Bibles or praying as we should... we are too concerned about not missing time on the computer or hunting or watching TV to do much about the mission at hand...
so here we are... potentially a nation of Christians again... potentially...
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Very good. And if you read what I said, you will see I said the same thing. But that does not make the US a Christian nation.
Only by requiring citizens to be Christian would that be so.
And that is not a biblical practice forcing people to believe.
It has the potential to be a Christian Represented Republic again if Christian principles were once again taught in the home by example and fortitude to the way of faith.
But we have been adrift far to long from the mooring mast of what was once the definition of true freedom.
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Very good. And if you read what I said, you will see I said the same thing. But that does not make the US a Christian nation.
Only by requiring citizens to be Christian would that be so.
And that is not a biblical practice forcing people to believe.
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The United States was chartered on Christian principles. No doubt. The writings of the founding fathers prove this.
But neither the United States Declaration of Independence or the Constitution mandates membership in the Church as prerequisite to citizenship. So, therefore, America was a nation of Christians (percentage wise) and a nation of Christian principles. But she was never a Christian nation.
"WE THE PEOPLE" says it was.
Representation in the Republic was governed by Christian principles.
We the people + Christian principles = Christian Representation in that Republic Nation.
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Most people don't realize what this nation was like at its beginning. Even as late as 1776 – 150 years after a Christian group we refer to as the Pilgrims moved their church to America, we see the population of our country as: 98 percent Protestant Christians, 1.8 percent Catholic Christians, and .2 of 1 percent Jewish. That means that 99.8% of the people in America in 1776 professed to be Christians.
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The United States was chartered on Christian principles. No doubt. The writings of the founding fathers prove this.
But neither the United States Declaration of Independence or the Constitution mandates membership in the Church as prerequisite to citizenship. So, therefore, America was a nation of Christians (percentage wise) and a nation of Christian principles. But she was never a Christian nation.
When America followed her chartered course, God blessed her above the nations of the world. But when she turned her back on God and Christian principles, God had no choice but to make an example of her (this was the exact same experience of the nation Israel in the Old Testament).
And we must remember that the US was a bit smaller in those days:
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Since the ignore feature does not work here...
And what part of the US Constitution do YOU believe the Mayflower Compact is in?
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America was never really a "Christian nation" since the Constitution never mandated its citizens had to be Christians.
What are you talking about?
Text of the Mayflower Compact
Bradford's transcription is as follows:
In the name of God, Amen. We whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God of Great Britain, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, etc.
Having undertaken, for the Glory of God and advancement of the Christian Faith and Honour of our King and Country, a Voyage to plant the First Colony in the Northern Parts of Virginia, do by these presents solemnly and mutually in the presence of God and one of another, Covenant and Combine ourselves together into a Civil Body Politic, for our better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute and frame such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the Colony, unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.
In witness whereof we have hereunder subscribed our names at Cape Cod, the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France and Ireland the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Domini 1620
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To maintain peace in the valley, WildB, I believe it is wise to simply put you on ignore. And I'll leave it at that.
And to maintain truth I will challenge you at every pass.
It is clear to the baseball fans your sillyness.
I put you on notice.
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To maintain peace in the valley, WildB, I believe it is wise to simply put you on ignore. And I'll leave it at that.
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For the same reasons that America soared to the highest heights for setting its course on Christians principles, America must now be judged for its departure from those principles and the God who once blessed America.
Don't misunderstand me. I do not advocate the practice of picketing funerals with hateful signs on them as a so-called Baptist Church is doing lately. Those same signs can be turned on them for their sins as well.
For we have all sinned or turned a blind eye and deaf ear towards the sins of America and its turning its collective back on God.
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Today homosexuals, prostitutes, and ***** mongers are lauded as heroes. The filthy rich who stole from the masses their ability to simply make a living flaunt their mammon before the oohs and ahs of a greedy world filled with lust and bile...
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We are told to watch the fig tree to keep the fig tree.
Hosea 9:10 (KJV)
10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.
That firstripe / firstfruits was what Jesus looked for on the fig tree that had no fruit. It was a preseasonal fruit that was particularly sweet... and it was not to be found.
This was the tree he cursed and withered, but it is the tree that will return in Matthew 24 (which in keeping with the curse, bears no fruit but has only leaves).
Interesting to note man's first religious acts was to try to cover their nakedness with fig leaves.
Israel (in belief or unbelief) is God's nation on earth and his prophetic timepiece. And in my opinion, all that keeps America from total collapse is the way we still support Israel (as waning as that support is).
For there is little or no other reason that God should not rain down fire and brimstone on this nation the way he did Sodom and Gomorrah.
I love this nation. I served in the military decades ago. I felt it was my duty and obligation to the nation. But I have also seen its downturn from the God I love even more and who gave us this land to begin with.
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I see all the indicators and citations of how it is the last times by references to the loss of American constitution freedoms and original intents...
And while they are a tragic loss, I must remind us all that America is not the timepiece of God to indicate at what point in prophetic history we are in... Israel is.
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America was never really a "Christian nation" since the Constitution never mandated its citizens had to be Christians. To do so would be unchristian since Christianity is a personal choice.
America was in population percentage and charter rather a nation of Christians and Christian principles.
And as America lived by this America testified as to the validity and truth of those principles. And God blessed and prospered the nation that so honored him.
Conversely, when America turned its back on him and adopted humanism and paganism and elevated liberty above the Christian principles that were intended by the founding fathers to govern one's pursuit of personal liberty... America had to be made an example of by the God whom we increasingly began to mock.
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